Thug Life Mini Mafia

On September 26 2013 20:20 Koshi wrote:
Should just change Pandain wih Zealos in list tbh.
I am not kidding.

Zealos doesn't deserve to be in the game over Pandain.

Too bad you didn't use the OP that has that paragraph.

On September 27 2013 12:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey guys, I'm gonna read this thread after TL Noir so don't votepile me just yet. I'll be back soon.

On September 27 2013 12:48 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup Homies. long time sense I last played, lets get to it.

First thoughts sense reading the thread, I would like to hear more from ShiaoPi, and VA. Both are giving off a "nothing to see here" vibe so far. Lets hear something more substantial please.

Yamato, VE, and Grackaroni, you guys just keep doing your thing.

On September 27 2013 12:49 yamato77 wrote:
1) Palmar is exceedingly good as town on D1. Like, really good. Lynches scum a lot. If he and I are town together, we can find a mafia.

On September 27 2013 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:

I tend not to have strong scumreads D1. Especially given the fact that what I thought was you lying about trolling essentially wasn't, I don't have much of a read on you anymore at all.

Hey Oats, go lose a game for town @LYLO.
I'll do what I want when I want to do it.

On September 27 2013 13:23 hiro protagonist wrote:
Oats, your not helping.

Sense I answered your question, would you care to give me your thoughts on Yamato and BH?

On September 27 2013 05:33 Palmar wrote:
i'm always up for random lynching

On September 27 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:

No idea yet.
Would you really call that one post by Palmar 'promoting' RNG lynch though? Especially since he is pushing Grack who is the primary proponent of RNG this game so far.

On September 27 2013 13:45 WaveofShadow wrote:

Maybe I can understand Grack thinking I was pushing him.
How the fuck do YOU get that over a few measly questions?
Should I start pushing you now for going on the defensive over nothing?

Who said RNG is ok because Palmar said so? Especially since that Palmar post was clearly him trolling.

On September 27 2013 13:46 hiro protagonist wrote:
I find Palmar really hard to read... so far his play is less trolly than Im used to. His post in the first part of the game pusherd discussion along, some points for that. So far, he is in the null column. Lets see what he brings to the table.

@WoS, Hiro Protagonist is the Protagonist of 'Snow Crash'. Hacker, worlds greatest swordsman, pizza delivery guy funny that they 2 people on TL with that tag play Mafia.

On September 27 2013 13:57 Pandain wrote:
Town's rely too much on good players and too little on analysis themselves and the discussions that are wrought from there.

On September 27 2013 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote:

I didnt say he wasn't trolling, just that he was less trolly. hes trolled waaaayyy hard than this.

VA, your here, and actively lurking hardcore. reads? opinons? any thing at all to give me a reason not to lynch you?

On September 27 2013 14:11 hiro protagonist wrote:

Well, it immediately got people talking about the game, also, the response to his post created reactions form people. Palmer uses these reactions to get reads on people. thats his MO. I can see him doing this as town or scum, so its a null read for me.

On September 27 2013 14:36 Pandain wrote:
Wow so ignored.

On September 27 2013 16:02 Blazinghand wrote:
The issue isn't that he's wrong or ShiaoPi has like done anything worthy of not being policy lynched. The issue is the lack of a statement of thought process!

On September 27 2013 16:25 Pandain wrote:
Just so you guys know I'm waiting until people reveal their alignment to me and then I'll comment later in a compilation. Not being weird lurker.

On September 27 2013 16:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I thought for a while BH was scum and then he started becoming his normal pushy self. I think BH is very likely town because I don't think he's able to do a good job of being himself as scum.

On September 27 2013 18:56 Palmar wrote:
I can't tell if you're dumb, lazy or maliciously ignorant Oats, which is it?

On September 27 2013 20:01 Palmar wrote:


Which question? I don't see anything in our recent conversation that suggests you were asking me something?

On September 27 2013 20:22 Palmar wrote:


uh.. thanks?

Hey, I have a question for you.

What is VisceraEyes's alignment and why. And given your answer, try to predict what VE's next step in the game would be.

Hint: there is a correct answer

On September 27 2013 22:09 yamato77 wrote:

I don't care much about this grack lynch anymore. It's too overtalked for my liking.

Now we're lynching this dude for refusing to play the game.

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority

On September 27 2013 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
How can yamato even say you are town Palmar?
That's a surreal suggestion given there are 2 scumteams.

On September 27 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

You are not enought town to be town with VE and Oats. You are lesser town, get it? :p

On September 27 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:

It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand.

I kinda wanna lynch WoS.

On September 27 2013 23:15 Grackaroni wrote:

Lol reasons everyone has reasons townies have reasons, scum have reasons. I believe a great man once told me bad reasons/no reason are towny

On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).

Atm i wanna lynch WoS.
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it.

On September 27 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote:




The bolded sentences could be considered inconsistent, especially in the light that your suspicion on WoS came pretty much out of the blue while in the middle of an entirely different discussion.

For someone who's willing to throw Oats a townread for basically nothing but being an asshole, I find it very surprising that you have a problem with yamato giving me a townread for making sense.

That, too, seems inconsistent.

On September 28 2013 00:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I like the idea of random lynching if we can develop a way to randomize it so it is truly random.

VE looks town so far. WoS hopefully town.

Palmar looks like Palmar.

I'd like to lynch VA or Oats.

On September 28 2013 00:38 Koshi wrote:

Why does it need to be real dice? Why not simply stream going to random.org, type the exact time somewhere, and then random.

even easyerpeasyer

On September 28 2013 00:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
Koshi, meta is never a good reason to vote for anyone, hence why im not voting for yamato. But you have to admit his play looks surprisingly similar. I'm not too worried because if he's scum he will mess up later. don't see a point in lynching yamato day 1.

On September 28 2013 00:45 VayneAuthority wrote:


Would you think it would be fun if people meta'ed me when I don't really have a certain playstyle? So I don't hold people to some extra standards. I just look for motivation behind scum driven agenda. Even lying isn't really a big deal to me, that annoys me when people think lying = scum

On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there.

On September 28 2013 00:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


If you were scum, I'd think you'd yell at me for making a terrible vote like that.

On September 28 2013 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


You so paranoid, I don't feel like taking the time to ##Unvote. Oh, there we go! It is interesting that you care about that 1 vote on you.

On September 28 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I'm bulletproof.

On September 28 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Nope, because in any given game i will always be more useful than you, attitude aside.

VE, my first post regarding yamato then, do you think it's coming from a scum place?

On September 28 2013 01:51 Koshi wrote:

Nono. Vayne can still be scum. Trying to meta vayne is silly.

On September 28 2013 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
You guys wanna see "real"? This rando lynch just got seriously real. Everyone who took stances about it now has to re-evaluate (or pretend to re-evaluate) that shit, cause the RNG just produced a person for us: Koshi. Yeah. What now?

I gave up on RNG. But anyone who's serious about it now, you better freaking vote Koshi, or shut up about it.

On September 28 2013 02:48 Blazinghand wrote:


you think I was paying attention to every post that was happening on TL and somehow managed to time my post so it would be a multiple of 19 + 1 exactly so it would land on Koshi?

On September 28 2013 14:15 Koshi wrote:
You are all a bunch of retards. Thx for this. My game is over.

On September 28 2013 14:31 Blazinghand wrote:
man oats what should my read on you be. tell me now what you think my read will be afte ri read your filter ok and i will confirm later

On September 28 2013 18:18 yamato77 wrote:
I am clearly not mafia.

On September 28 2013 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:

When you look at someone's posts you think is mafia, and ~40% of his posts is talking about X, you tend to forget about the X when you are analyzing his alignment?

On September 28 2013 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you think WoS' analysis is anywhere near good or legit?

On September 28 2013 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:

lol, see how he backs off from it and what he does after that. No Oats, it's not townie.

On September 29 2013 02:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've explained it about a hundred fucking times.
VA attempting to be useful in the early game = scum.
In most if not all games I've played with him, a trying VA means a scum VA (or one who contributes but his contributions are intentionally bad). A useless as shit VA likely means he's town. (See Noire)

I will admit him fucking off for the last little while causes me a bit of pause, but his reaction to me attempting to get him lynched is a scum reaction in his case because he enjoys his scum play much more so than his townplay, is proud of not having been lynched as scum and so doesn't want this to be the first time.

This is very meta-based I am well aware but I have played scum with Vayne. I am aware of how he works.

On September 29 2013 03:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright Oats let's talk.
On one hand I can't honestly see why scum would be so complacent as to let yamato die if he were scum, but then again, it's possible his whole team (only 2 other people) is afk or some shit. (On that note, mebbe thar be modkills at the end of this.)

It's also possible we have the standard D1 2xtown wagon going on right now.

Which do you think is more likely?

On September 29 2013 05:05 Blazinghand wrote:
palmar said there's no anti-town townies, not there's no bad townies.

On September 29 2013 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

Really Oats?
Really?

But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.

On September 28 2013 12:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Just to cement this in: We are lynching Koshi today

Why? Because his name was randomly generated from the 19 players we currently have in the game--And that, my dear friends, is epic. So epic that you cannot even comprehend the magnitude; for we are part of TL mafia history. If our sacrifice--his name Koshi as it stands--bleeds the blood of black or red, forever shall this game be praised. Townies everywhere will rejoice in future games. Holding hands, random lynching on the first day for glory. If this man bleeds green or blue, then shall this day live forever in infamy; a testament to our incompetence.

People to watch out for in the meantime while we conceive history:

Yamato

Completely against a random lynch. This notion is fine, but he seems hypocritical about the idea. At the same time he advocates so strongly against lynching people randomly and promotes scumhunting, he decides to vote for VA out of spite. Spite lynching is as well as a random lynch in essence. In addition, he votes me for seemingly no reason. This creates much butthurt; I thought we were friends. Yamato's first post in the past two games he's been town created the thought of him being blatantly town. In aperture I was mafia, but I still saw the shining radiance of his towniness from his early posting. Same with another game that I'm not allowed to mention as of yet. This game I'm not getting the impression that Yamato is town early and it bothers me. Also a perceived scumslip happened at some point. If we were not being completely badass this game he would most likely have my vote.

ShaioPi

Filter is a lot of one liners that don't say much atm. Would like to see more from him concerning todays lynch. I didn't like this post:


He gives a meta read on Grack's first post, but fails to come to a conclusion about it. In a later post he says that Grack is 'nullish'. I'm not sure why he's bringing up this point if it doesn't point to a town or scum Grack.

This guy


-.-

I'd like an explanation of this:



Certainly not the impression I garnered. FT was scum with Yamato in one game, yeah? I'm interested to find out why Yamato's actions make him town in his eyes.

A couple townreads, a lot of null reads because I haven't even opened the filters of some people yet. And lurkers.

On September 29 2013 19:21 Koshi wrote:
Wasn't this scum yamato meta Oats?

On September 29 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote:
I lean scum. But being wrong on the yamato meta case is pretty null.
It's more because the sensible things he normally says he now says in oneliners.
A take it or leave it thingie.

On September 30 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar's town reads are not bad. Don't really agree with BH/Pandain.

On September 30 2013 01:32 Grackaroni wrote:

If Palmar is scum he only has 2 teammates. I don't think it's a problem that I agree with a lot of the people he lists as town.

On September 30 2013 01:43 Grackaroni wrote:

you're used to seeing people agree with town reads not scum reads.

On September 30 2013 16:55 hiro protagonist wrote:
Why Oats? what makes him town? Im all ears cus Im still pretty sure your town

On October 01 2013 19:42 Koshi wrote:

ofc. But you just mad he is attacking your lover VA.

On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:


TLDR; You are not playing up to your standards, in a game where you can basically guarantee your survival during the nights by playing really pro-town. This would be the best game to play so. You are not doing it, therefore you are scum.

On October 01 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt?

On October 01 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play.

Why would you say you are a lynch candidate if you are town. There is no reason to. Inherent guilt.
Also he is afraid of getting shot by another scumteam.

Next...

On September 30 2013 16:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOO O OO O O
SHIAO PI IS TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

k hiro is scum, FT might be different scumteam.

On October 02 2013 23:49 austinmcc wrote:
Except VE did a good bit of looking townie on D1 and trying to influence the thread. You sort of sat there and oatsed.

I have currently been adding Cotija to some green chile chicken chili, and I like that cheese but I dunno how I'm gonna use this whole block. I also have some cool feta for a cold salad that went with the chili.

As far as this game goes, my notes on El Senor Cheesecake say

"What cheese do?" followed by "What he do?"

That's the sum total of my D1 thoughts on Cheese. I just recently played scum with Cheese, but honestly don't really have any major quirks to look for from either of his alignments. So far, he's been inactive as butt and really only seems to engage with WoS, like 60% of his filter is chat with WoS and not other bros. He's on my questionable list, but I don't have things that actively stick out from his filter as SCUMMY to me, unlike other folks.

On October 02 2013 23:54 austinmcc wrote:
In an odd way, I THINK I find this to be the towniest thing you've said all game?

On October 03 2013 02:06 Koshi wrote:

Nha, you always yell somebody is town when we are lynching him. Sadly. Odds are mostly in your favor.

On October 03 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and for those curious on Oats scumread:
Take a gander at his filter.
All he does all game is one-liners and random-ass questions that lead absolutely nowhere.
Zero substantiated reads and zero pushes.

Even a town Oats who plays like shit does more than this. He's very clearly not trying to find scum.
There's a few more fun things in his filter like him saying how worried he is that yamato is going to flip town, then he votes for him not too long after that and leaves it up most of the day. Not sure how indicative that is on its own but whatever.

Oats did you ever explain how you are 'confirmed town?'

On October 03 2013 14:16 WaveofShadow wrote:

Pamar could be scum. I just can't read him particularly well and honestly don't know what to make of him, so I certainly wouldn't vote him above any of my other scumreads.
Like you, for example.

On October 03 2013 14:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
AND you give a shit ton of reads all of the time.
Haven't seen that here.

Anything else?

You think I just caught you based on your one-liners?
Oats plz.

On October 03 2013 14:32 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to bed but since I now think Oats is a better lynch I will be pursuing him
##Unvote
##Vote Oats

at least to consolidate later votes.

On October 03 2013 14:34 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oats I'm looking at your filter from both games.
This game it's a few intermittent reads and like 10000 questions to 10000 people that go nowhere.
Real scumhunting right thurr.

In Golden Sun I see you push Sn0, I see you push Rayn, and I see you interacting with the thread in a positive way that actually is trying to figure something out.

On October 03 2013 14:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

Right now you are.
I mean the fact that over 2 days now there have been people trying to get him lynched and he hasn't gone down.

On October 03 2013 16:50 Koshi wrote:

So my reads atm is:

Motor City Bangers:
SaB, Panda, Oats

Derelict Row Ballers:
S0lstice, FT, Palmar

Rest are cool guys.

On October 03 2013 20:19 Koshi wrote:
Oats, how do you feel now that you rolled scum and got caught (not by me but WoS)? It's been NWM since you rolled scum. Disappointed?

On October 03 2013 20:27 Koshi wrote:
So what do you think about my 6 scummers.

Pretty sure I am right about at least 1.

On October 03 2013 23:22 Palmar wrote:


It's only dumb because I was wrong on Shiaopi.

On October 03 2013 23:46 Palmar wrote:


Did I say anywhere I didn't want to?

On October 04 2013 14:42 Pandain wrote:
I think the second is suspicious because you said that RNG lynches are bad, so why are you helping an RNG lynch happen.
Also if you think someone is cop, why in the world would you tell the thread?

And you just said FT might be town, don't you want to find someone better?

Also why don't you want to lynch Vayne or Palmar. Especially Palmar.

with WoS being 90% scum with the extreme caveat that if FT is town and Vayne scum he might be then scum.

On October 05 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

You know I didn't actually think about this (and that's why i like you CR).
Can we just leave our votes on FT so that 'threat of modkill' isn't used as leverage by scum and we don't even have to risk the last second surprise by FT?

On October 05 2013 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well fuck.
##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority
I would really hate myself if I contributed to VA living longer than he should.

I feel really shitty about this though because it's a wagon I originally pushed that Pandain has taken for his own and it just looks like a sheep now.

On October 05 2013 12:41 s0Lstice wrote:
I got a question for you Oats.



Quote from day 1. Is this sincere? Why did you say this?

On October 05 2013 12:50 s0Lstice wrote:


because in the quotes after that you give rayn shit for avoiding a townread on Palmar







Those aren't very far after. Seemingly contradictory, no?

On October 05 2013 12:51 WaveofShadow wrote:

And I didn't say I didn't want to read Palmar. I said I couldn't.

On October 05 2013 13:26 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yes, because even if you are town it shows CC is thinking about players who are flying under the radar, something I find townies are more likely to do. I don't believe at the time this was brought up anyone was even talking about you.

Go look at CR's post D2 where he goes through the permutations of VA/Palmar/SnB/FT scumteams. He concludes overall that Palmar is scummy but the worst lynch for information-gathering reasons. THAT is something I like much more as a connection than what Palmar says about CR.

On October 06 2013 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:

Now wait hold on.
VE thinkis I'm scum too, as well as VA.
Why is only Austin bad because of it?

On October 06 2013 02:05 WaveofShadow wrote:

You didn't know, so you chose to jump on the most obvious target at the current time.
Maybe you should go and have a look at the varying reasons for people thinking I'm scum.
*hint hint*

On October 06 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Let's not lynch solctice or Koshi. Koshi shoots solstice the following night. Solstice can do wtf he wants as he is scum.

On October 06 2013 23:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
or if koshi is fake he claims that Solstice used a vest.

or if sol is fake he claims that koshi uses a vest.

whoever is scum actually uses a vest. or real.cop is roleweeded.

wifffffffom

On October 06 2013 23:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
koshi how am i scum? s0lstice last banger and im on 3 man team? why would i out him

On October 07 2013 00:09 Koshi wrote:

I dont get the joke.

On October 07 2013 00:09 s0Lstice wrote:


I'm out of precision shot with the death of s&b. Otherwise I would, no offense

On October 07 2013 00:14 Koshi wrote:
Going to ignore Oats. Too much ad hom...

On October 07 2013 01:15 Koshi wrote:

Good question. Maybe he read it wrong or something. Or made the mistake to put PS and ambulance together n1. Dnu.
But no way that 2 cops do something like that.

I dont understand why you as town don't believe me.. I confirmed you.

On October 07 2013 02:07 s0Lstice wrote:


pretty sure you're scum, but I already explained that mostly what I'm feeling right now is embarrassed that this is all even happening. Like thinking town originally on Koshi was a serious no-no and I mindfaked myself into it.

On October 07 2013 02:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just stop Oats, you don't give a fuck what I think, you just want to be able to say "LOOK VE AGREES WITH ME" if I agree with you. Just stop, and let me think.

On October 07 2013 02:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Simple scenario is the most likely.
Solstice is desperate so he claimed.

That's what it comes down to imo.

On October 07 2013 10:57 s0Lstice wrote:
dear Oats

I'm going to suspend my beliefs for a moment.

Your main problem with my claim is that it doesn't check out emotionally. Like, I haven't been mad or bouncing off the walls? Do I have this correct?

On October 07 2013 11:28 s0Lstice wrote:


I would say thats a mischaracterization. in Koshi's town games he has been fully capable of making reads, explaining them, and pushing them when he's being listened to. Here he is a claimed cop with everyone's ear and doesn't seem particularly interested in doing anything with it.

What do you think of how he explained the weird inconsistencies in his treatment of Vayne that austin pointed out?

On October 08 2013 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well you're a player that even if I explain to you in perfect terms why I think it's scummy, you'll still disagree because you're so much better than me anyway. Like Koshi. That's why I didn't include you in this in spite of you being confirmed town Oats...no offense.

On September 28 2013 18:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah CR probably scum

On October 08 2013 20:41 Koshi wrote:
Oats you play a lot with VA as well.

Is he scum?
Can he be scum?
Why? Or why not?

I am thinking that both WoS and Austin are town.