|
On October 04 2013 08:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
I had a town read on VE through his posts.
I can't believe austin you still don't see how scummy Vayne has been with absolutely shit votes with no follow-up, huge set-up speculation which honestly can't be done unless you have inside knowledge, backtracks, no actual content despite 8 fucking pages of filter , and the such.
How can you think he's objectively a better lynch then a Palmar who honestly I think might just be retarded. Call it woman's intuition? Palmar's not retarded, and I start to worry about players who have been around a long time, start with a somewhat townie D1, and then tail off. Even if he's retarded, he can still be scum. Being retarded doesn't guarantee you a green or blue PM. VA is speculating a good bit after getting a scumread on him in part because of speculation. I know when I've been scum I've been scared off of certain actions when I did something and a townie called it scummy, I wanted to stop doing that. Continuing to speculate over NKs feels townie to me because of that, although not a boatload if this is actually his normal MO in all games. He's just not as scumtastic as other folks to me right now. I know he's doing some things that aren't helping town, but almost ALL of us are doing that, and I feel like we can poke around a level deeper than that.
But his logic has also been bad which leads me to believe that he could honestly just be lacking. I'm sure he is a good player in many games, but I'm not impressed at all by what I've been seeing.
VA is not just suspicious based on speculation though of course he's scummy. Look at other filters and look at Vayne's. Per content Vayne has 8 pages of filter yet very few actual content . This is scummy at the core. Posting a lot but with no content.
Town Vayne here in Persona:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&user=VayneAuthority&view=all
Notice how he pushes reads. He doesn't do that this game. He votes Grack and is suspicious of Palmar and I and yet didn't push us for all.
|
On October 04 2013 08:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you want people to take you seriously Pandain, start by not being a hypocrite. You can't say my voting is scummy when we were both on town the entire game. It doesn't work like that.
A lot of the other stuff people are ignoring because that is my town meta whether you like it or not. You are basically just perfectly describing my town meta right now. So your case is kinda just helping me, as a heads up.
I think you are playing a good scum game but your role speculation which isn't sensible and logical unless you have inside knowledge reveals you. Additionally your lack of pushing reveals you.
It's day three and you say usually by now you're fitting pieces together and you're dangerous in the end-game. It's 8-5 town/scum ratio. Where's your end-game fitting in? All I see is an easy vote on FT.
On October 04 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
Palmar besides that has been playing as town, I don't think he's as lurkery as you think. I don't mean to imply he's the lurkiest lurker that ever did lurk. But his posting is on subjects that I don't think matter. He's got a boatload of posts today on his VOTE yesterday. Palmar shouldn't care about his vote yesterday. Mislynches happen. Vote switches happen. He's not even getting serious votes or anything for it. But he spends forever going over the ins and outs of voting and bovine reproduction or whatever else. His activity, in cases like that, is about subjects that just don't matter as far as scumhunting goes. Plus again. You both have Pa- names. Someone gots to go.
I'm not as concerned about Pa's due to the fact that I know what I post. I also think we should actually lynch scum, and my reasons for lynching Palmar are too policy oriented(although there are some good suspicions) to justify me voting him and to justify you voting him.
|
[QUOTE]On October 04 2013 08:45 austinmcc wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
I had a town read on VE through his posts.
I can't believe austin you still don't see how scummy Vayne has been with absolutely shit votes with no follow-up, huge set-up speculation which honestly can't be done unless you have inside knowledge, backtracks, no actual content despite 8 fucking pages of filter , and the such.
VA is speculating a good bit after getting a scumread on him in part because of speculation. I know when I've been scum I've been scared off of certain actions when I did something and a townie called it scummy, I wanted to stop doing that. Continuing to speculate over NKs feels townie to me because of that, although not a boatload if this is actually his normal MO in all games.
[/QUOTE]
He also stopped speculating after I called him out on it
|
EBWOP
On October 04 2013 08:45 austinmcc wrote:
VA is speculating a good bit after getting a scumread on him in part because of speculation. I know when I've been scum I've been scared off of certain actions when I did something and a townie called it scummy, I wanted to stop doing that. Continuing to speculate over NKs feels townie to me because of that, although not a boatload if this is actually his normal MO in all games.
He also stopped speculating after I called him out on it
|
On October 04 2013 09:04 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote:On October 04 2013 08:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you want people to take you seriously Pandain, start by not being a hypocrite. You can't say my voting is scummy when we were both on town the entire game. It doesn't work like that.
A lot of the other stuff people are ignoring because that is my town meta whether you like it or not. You are basically just perfectly describing my town meta right now. So your case is kinda just helping me, as a heads up. I think you are playing a good scum game but your role speculation which isn't sensible and logical unless you have inside knowledge reveals you. Additionally your lack of pushing reveals you. It's day three and you say usually by now you're fitting pieces together and you're dangerous in the end-game. It's 8-5 town/scum ratio. Where's your end-game fitting in? All I see is an easy vote on FT. On October 04 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
Palmar besides that has been playing as town, I don't think he's as lurkery as you think. I don't mean to imply he's the lurkiest lurker that ever did lurk. But his posting is on subjects that I don't think matter. He's got a boatload of posts today on his VOTE yesterday. Palmar shouldn't care about his vote yesterday. Mislynches happen. Vote switches happen. He's not even getting serious votes or anything for it. But he spends forever going over the ins and outs of voting and bovine reproduction or whatever else. His activity, in cases like that, is about subjects that just don't matter as far as scumhunting goes. Plus again. You both have Pa- names. Someone gots to go. I'm not as concerned about Pa's due to the fact that I know what I post. I also think we should actually lynch scum, and my reasons for lynching Palmar are too policy oriented(although there are some good suspicions) to justify me voting him and to justify you voting him. An easy vote isn't necessarily wrong. It's easy for a reason. He martyred and left the game. As others have stated, if you martyr there is nothing else that will take my vote off of you. Some one else could claim scum in the thread and I would still have my vote on the martyr. Nothing else pisses me off more.
Ignore that for the most part, I'm more concerned with the Grack vote and the failure to actually push or prod me palmar or Grack . You voted Grack but never advocated for him.
|
I disagree with you. He had a direct role on lynching SP over FT. He also posted some good analysis, though I totally agree not much.
Palmar is suspicious due to a poor vote switch, but that vote switch was a huge role and impacted the lynch. That is contribution.
I'm more interested in seeing what he does today then lynching him immediately. I won't say what I'm looking for in case he deliberately changes his playstyle, but there are definitely ways to read him later which aren't immediately obvious now.
|
On October 04 2013 09:09 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 09:05 Pandain wrote:On October 04 2013 09:04 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 04 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote:On October 04 2013 08:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you want people to take you seriously Pandain, start by not being a hypocrite. You can't say my voting is scummy when we were both on town the entire game. It doesn't work like that.
A lot of the other stuff people are ignoring because that is my town meta whether you like it or not. You are basically just perfectly describing my town meta right now. So your case is kinda just helping me, as a heads up. I think you are playing a good scum game but your role speculation which isn't sensible and logical unless you have inside knowledge reveals you. Additionally your lack of pushing reveals you. It's day three and you say usually by now you're fitting pieces together and you're dangerous in the end-game. It's 8-5 town/scum ratio. Where's your end-game fitting in? All I see is an easy vote on FT. On October 04 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
Palmar besides that has been playing as town, I don't think he's as lurkery as you think. I don't mean to imply he's the lurkiest lurker that ever did lurk. But his posting is on subjects that I don't think matter. He's got a boatload of posts today on his VOTE yesterday. Palmar shouldn't care about his vote yesterday. Mislynches happen. Vote switches happen. He's not even getting serious votes or anything for it. But he spends forever going over the ins and outs of voting and bovine reproduction or whatever else. His activity, in cases like that, is about subjects that just don't matter as far as scumhunting goes. Plus again. You both have Pa- names. Someone gots to go. I'm not as concerned about Pa's due to the fact that I know what I post. I also think we should actually lynch scum, and my reasons for lynching Palmar are too policy oriented(although there are some good suspicions) to justify me voting him and to justify you voting him. An easy vote isn't necessarily wrong. It's easy for a reason. He martyred and left the game. As others have stated, if you martyr there is nothing else that will take my vote off of you. Some one else could claim scum in the thread and I would still have my vote on the martyr. Nothing else pisses me off more. Ignore that for the most part, I'm more concerned with the Grack vote and the failure to actually push or prod me palmar or Grack . You voted Grack but never advocated for him. grack was playing exactly the same way as in golden sun and this is only my 2nd game with him so I don't know his town game. Associated it with him being scum again, but it appears he plays both alignments similarly. The pushing thing is repetitive and boring, as stated multiple times it is not alignment indicative in the slightest.
So you're just going to vote someone and hope they get lynched?
When you voted Grack you immediately got called out by two players, and never pushed him further.
Palmar never got voted and only vote on me was by you.
|
On October 04 2013 09:13 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 09:12 Pandain wrote:On October 04 2013 09:09 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 04 2013 09:05 Pandain wrote:On October 04 2013 09:04 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 04 2013 08:54 Pandain wrote:On October 04 2013 08:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
if you want people to take you seriously Pandain, start by not being a hypocrite. You can't say my voting is scummy when we were both on town the entire game. It doesn't work like that.
A lot of the other stuff people are ignoring because that is my town meta whether you like it or not. You are basically just perfectly describing my town meta right now. So your case is kinda just helping me, as a heads up. I think you are playing a good scum game but your role speculation which isn't sensible and logical unless you have inside knowledge reveals you. Additionally your lack of pushing reveals you. It's day three and you say usually by now you're fitting pieces together and you're dangerous in the end-game. It's 8-5 town/scum ratio. Where's your end-game fitting in? All I see is an easy vote on FT. On October 04 2013 08:49 austinmcc wrote:On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
Palmar besides that has been playing as town, I don't think he's as lurkery as you think. I don't mean to imply he's the lurkiest lurker that ever did lurk. But his posting is on subjects that I don't think matter. He's got a boatload of posts today on his VOTE yesterday. Palmar shouldn't care about his vote yesterday. Mislynches happen. Vote switches happen. He's not even getting serious votes or anything for it. But he spends forever going over the ins and outs of voting and bovine reproduction or whatever else. His activity, in cases like that, is about subjects that just don't matter as far as scumhunting goes. Plus again. You both have Pa- names. Someone gots to go. I'm not as concerned about Pa's due to the fact that I know what I post. I also think we should actually lynch scum, and my reasons for lynching Palmar are too policy oriented(although there are some good suspicions) to justify me voting him and to justify you voting him. An easy vote isn't necessarily wrong. It's easy for a reason. He martyred and left the game. As others have stated, if you martyr there is nothing else that will take my vote off of you. Some one else could claim scum in the thread and I would still have my vote on the martyr. Nothing else pisses me off more. Ignore that for the most part, I'm more concerned with the Grack vote and the failure to actually push or prod me palmar or Grack . You voted Grack but never advocated for him. grack was playing exactly the same way as in golden sun and this is only my 2nd game with him so I don't know his town game. Associated it with him being scum again, but it appears he plays both alignments similarly. The pushing thing is repetitive and boring, as stated multiple times it is not alignment indicative in the slightest. So you're just going to vote someone and hope they get lynched? When you voted Grack you immediately got called out by two players, and never pushed him further. Palmar never got voted and only vote on me was by you. well you miss the point on how I play town I don't get people lynched, I just make sure I don't get lynched.
Then why even post at all?
To me all your proving is that you should get policy lynched every day.
|
And I will vote for you in every future game.
|
You're not playing town and you keep ignoring the fact your night action speculation is too definitive and knowledgeable of actions. There are literally like 6 different abilities that each faction can do and you somehow know that scum shot this person or cops shot this person, this team saved their KP and this team probably used bullet proof actions.
There's no way a townie knows this. I tried to reason out what could be possible and there were too many variables for me to make definitive statements. For example SnB could have been shot by either cop or scum team.
If you say you don't aim to lynch and instead try to avoid getting lynched, then you contradict even your previous play as town that I posted in persona 4 where you clearly tried to analyze.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425521&user=VayneAuthority&view=all
|
Honestly if FT gets lynched and flips town I will feel too bad about myself for
|
|
|
|
|
Do you think he's suspicious, then?
Couldn't get out a feeling.
|
I agree except for the first point you make, VE, you, WoS and I have also not gotten shot. BH was the only big player who got shot, otherwise it seems to have been blue/red snipes.
It is interesting that Grack though(contrary to someone else earlier, I forget) was pushing Palmer heavily and got shot. I think he's a solid choice but still I prefer Vayne.
You convinced me that he's playing anti-town but not that he's playing scum.
|
Austin if you want to convince people, convince me that Palmer is a better choice then Vayne.
|
I can also lynch S0lstice
|
|
|
The problem with Vayne is that he is going to be on our scum lists for the whole game anyway because
my goal is not to lynch, it's to not get lynched
Let's do a triple whammy by getting rid of that, lynching possible scum, and screwing that philosophy.
|
Wow I didn't realize how many people already voted.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
