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On October 01 2013 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: You didn't call yamato out for his townread on you. I already have explained why there was no good reasons for yamato to have a townread on you at that time. Instead you went into an argument with me about it. What am i supposed to take from it? That you have a scumread on him but you are arguing with me because i have a scumread on him? That's bullshit Palmar. Then, after that, you sheep VE into a vote on yamato, for no apparent reason. This game isn't binary. No one, not even the worst scumplayer in history, gives himself away in every sentence or every read he makes throughout the game. Some things scum do are not scummy, and some things townies do are. At this point in game I considered myself to have done enough to warrant people calling me town. I had no problem with yamato's townread, in fact, while I haven't gone back to check the timing, I think he wasn't the only person giving me a townread. You weren't supposed to take anything away from it. I wasn't trying to investigate yamato at the time, I was digging into YOU. I was simply using a point we disagreed on as an attempt to figure out how you are thinking this game. I went into an argument with you not because I disagreed yamato was likely scum at the time, but because I wanted to figure out if your reasoning was solid enough. I did agree that yamato was scummy, but not for the same reasons. When FT flips, there'll be a lot of people who agreed he was scummy, even if I'm right and he's scum, there's bound to be some scum on his wagon. The trick will be to figure out whose reasoning was solid and honest, and who just kinda bandwagoned the lynch in a malicious way. | ||
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On October 01 2013 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get that you were trying to figure out my alignment. What i don't get is that in a game with 2 scumteams, how can you accept that yamato has a townread on you at that point. Nothing you did on D1, nothing you have done so far should give people a town read on you. This is where we disagree, I think the only reason people DON'T have townreads on me is that they're afraid this is somehow some amazing scumPalmar game, or of course because I'm usually controversial so a pretty easy target to tunnel as long as I'm occupied with lynching someone else. If I was anyone else people would be lining up to call me a townie. There's no reason to call out yamato for having a townread on me (and as proven by his flip, it was a genuine read, nothing wrong with it). | ||
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On September 27 2013 22:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: No i think it's not impossible to have town reads. I think it's impossible to have a town read on you at this point. I think VE is town aswell, i also think Oats is town. On October 01 2013 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you don't really understand my argument that people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions, as scum can also genuinely scumhunt? ##Unvote ##Vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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On October 01 2013 22:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: My townreads on people are not based on their actions (=actions towards other players in general, scumreads and shit), but based on their behavior in general. Oats and VE behave differently as scum than they do as town, whatever they say. It has nothing to do what they say, it has to do how they say things and why. I have explained this already, wtf is wrong with you Palmar? You are intentionally twisting my words around. I did not do anything to your words. I literally quoted your posts straight up. The first one says that "I think it's impossible to have a town read on you" - Which I can only take to mean that this phenomenon applies only to me specifically. The second one says: "people should not be considered town at this point based on their actions" - Which I'm taking to mean that no one should be considered town at that point. I even addressed the first point in this post here: On October 01 2013 22:27 Palmar wrote: I think the only reason people DON'T have townreads on me is that they're afraid this is somehow some amazing scumPalmar game. If I was anyone else people would be lining up to call me a townie. You're changing your arguments depending on how they fit your conclusion. That means your conclusion is predetermined and thus you're scum. | ||
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On October 01 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Read my last post and think again what you are saying. I have no idea what you're saying. Let me try to wrap my head around it. You're saying that your read on Oats/VE is legit because it's a meta read. You're saying yamato's read on me is not legit because it's based on me making sense. Even if we ignore how insane the above is (especially now that yamato flipped town) it's also factually incorrect. Yamato never explained what his read on me was based on as far as I remember, I don't recall him saying I'm town because I make sense. It was literally this: On September 27 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote: I think Palmar is town. at work BTW so no more posting So how do you know he didn't just.. you know actually read the thread and figure the right answer out? | ||
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On October 01 2013 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: What i am saying is that there are some players whose scum/town play have quite a big differences. One of them is Oats, another one is VE. I don't think those differences would disappear even in a game where there are 2 scumteams. Some players however (as i pointed out, for example you, me and BH) can probably "fade out" those differences because as there are multiple scumteams, they can legitmately scumhunt. That's why it's hard to have a townread on people like us. It's basically impossible (barring some circumstances - which apply to for example WoS). That's what i am saying and i don't understand why do i have to explain that to a bright guy like you for fucking 10 times. Who knows, maybe yamato can spot the difference between my town game and my scum game. Just because you're bad and can't, doesn't mean everyone else is. I don't think Oats is massively different as scum and town. I usually have a fairly difficult time figuring out his alignment. You seem to think otherwise. Does this make every read I give on Oats ever invalid? You're basically trying to play the fear card on me. It's super annoying when people call me scum, not because I'm doing anything scum would do or playing scummy in any way, but just because they're afraid I might be scum doing town things and looking like town. How the hell do you know yamato wasn't using exactly the same meta reasoning you're using on Oats, or I used on VE to figure out my alignment. I can't remember, BH also figured out my alignment, do you think his townread on me was bogus too? Clearly by your standards there's literally nothing I can do to make me appear town to you, and apparently you're fine with tunneling that point of view. | ||
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I haven't read VA thoroughly yet, without checking, I think he was in my "not read yet" list. Then he basically started talking some really dumb stuff (like that trap on Oats). I see no reason to give him a townread. I liked Pandain's day 1 case, I liked his case on FT too, and to be honest his points against VA contribute to my thinking that you're wrong on those two. Do you disagree? | ||
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On October 01 2013 09:26 Palmar wrote: Neither has this. Tbh, both of the replacements are being useless. Good vigi shots. On October 01 2013 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, so do you disagree with my point though? That's what I got after rereading man, it's not much but then, not much is fucking happening is it Palmar? So yeah, watch out for it, I know I even mentioned it during the night that we needed to keep an eye on VE if he doesn't take any kind of a leadership role in town, but for now I think he gets a pass based on too many other options for the lynch. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:25 Grackaroni wrote: Rayn why are you less aggressive this game? Because he's scum | ||
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I like this Koshi guy | ||
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He's not mafia for being bad, he's mafia for not doing anything outside of arguing about points like the one we just argued about. | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i am demotivated from Golden Sun. Purely because of that. So if you're demotivated, why don't we just lynch you, thus you don't have to try to convince anyone your reads are genuine, and you don't have to play. Deal? | ||
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On October 02 2013 00:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can lynch me if people promise to lynch you on D3 in case i flip town. Deal? Deal. | ||
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##Vote FirmTofu Based on simply the fact that I think he's slightly more likely to flip scum, I don't particularly care which of the two gets lynched. | ||
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On October 02 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##Vote: FirmTofu ##Unvote ##Vote Shiaopi ^^ | ||
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fuck agreeing with rayn he's bad and dumb. | ||
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