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On September 29 2013 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 04:33 Grackaroni wrote:On September 29 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 29 2013 04:29 Grackaroni wrote:On September 29 2013 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 29 2013 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
We gonna lynch Yamato instead. You act like you no like. I'd like a VA lynch or even FT better but I'm not going to push my own scumreads this late in the day. The only reason I'm not yoloswag on board from the start is because I don't have as concrete a scumread on yamato as some people do. It's made worse by the fact that he's not exactly here to defend himself (though of course I admit that a scum yamato who doesn't give a shit would fit this pretty well). I agree with everything WoS just said about Yamato. Down for a Vayne lynch. Um....what do you agree with exactly? Could be a good lynch but kind of iffy on him because he actually came back and started doing some things after his policy lynch vote. Except what has he actually done? Can you show me?
Not really I'm on my phone
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I BLAME BH!!!
He's the shaman of shenanigans you know.
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Attention all scummers, I will not be using a vest tonight because vests are for pussys. Thats a Grack promise right there. Perhaps one of you thinks I am on the rival scum team. Take your best shot.
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On September 29 2013 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not vesting either.
Ok good. But I think we still need more input. How about you Visceraeyes, will you be vulnerable to a night kill tonight?
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On September 29 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi put on the imba vest, Grack is gonna shoot you!
So dumb. I'm shooting WoS n1 again so that I can inflate his ego a bit more for future games.
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What do you guys make of our good friend Mr. Pandain. The guy who likes analyzing and has a limited amount of time on his hands and chose to spend all of it studying Yamato's meta, when he could have just said that Yamato was scum because he did nothing but flip out over people wanting to random lynch rather than analyze posts and then voted for a policy lynch instead of scumhunting himself.
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Hey Palmar, hurry up and solve the game already. I foresee an endgamed in my future. Want to talk out reads with me?
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On September 29 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Seriously though scum, shoot rayne. I bet he won't even use his vest tonight. It'll make me look bad because I want him dead! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. It'll be hilarious! Plus, you like me, right? Or maybe you hate me and want me to get lynched. Either way, shooting rayne is the right move tonight. I'm just saying: consider it.
btw scummy looking townies don't use your vest tonight in case the cops cocaine you.
"oh no bh is coaching here" stuff it it's important to say that
doesn't matter either way because the vest is one time use and will be gone regardless if it's broken by a cop check or not. I believe that only comes into play if someone is checked /w vest + shot = dead
You dislike talking about reads except for at the end of the night right?
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OK.
@Mysterious cop duo. Don't shoot me.
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It appears we got off to a bad day1, but not to worry friends! Grackaroni is here to set things back on track to give us a solid day2 lynch.
Three times yesterday Palmar flung shit at people and made absolutely no conclusions off of it.
Palmar
On September 27 2013 08:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure what I'm looking for here, he didn't react at all. What specifically makes you think that we're seeing mafia here rather than townie who is slightly more comfortable reading you by virtue of having just completed a game with you? I guess It makes sense that he thinks he's more comfortable reading me now. He wasn't nearly as aggressive towards me when I made posts like this last game and it feels forced to me that he's so jumpy about my posts this game. The cases are forced, nothing about my random lynch is alignment indicative it was something I planned to do pre-game when I saw Palmar was playing. This is like the third time you point to something in your behavior is inconsistent with being mafia and therefore you cannot possibly be mafia. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player. Then why isn't your vote on someone who has opposed your idea out of hand? Show me a game where I vote someone early on as town, I don't know off hand if I have but I really doubt there is one. It's not my style. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 06:10 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 06:09 Koshi wrote:
I got no problem lynching Grack. hah. I actually would be less inclined to propose a random lynch as mafia because I'm more comfortable being in control of the lynch. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
(Not intended to be insulting but instructive)
Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1
FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1.
This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching.
On September 27 2013 09:35 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say you were defending you, I was just pointing out a pattern, the context is irrelevant.
This is all he says on the matter. He doesn't explain why scum are more likely to do this than town nor could he prove it if he wanted to. People are misreading me after just playing scum it's pretty natural that I would make some arguments like these. Then instead of pressuring me he drops me entirely and moves on elsewhere.
Next Palmar flings shit on Hiro Protagonist
On September 27 2013 18:42 Palmar wrote:More patterns! Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:48 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup Homies. long time sense I last played, lets get to it.
First thoughts sense reading the thread, I would like to hear more from ShiaoPi, and VA. Both are giving off a "nothing to see here" vibe so far. Lets hear something more substantial please.
Yamato, VE, and Grackaroni, you guys just keep doing your thing.
Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 12:54 hiro protagonist wrote:On September 27 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 12:48 hiro protagonist wrote:
Sup Homies. long time sense I last played, lets get to it.
First thoughts sense reading the thread, I would like to hear more from ShiaoPi, and VA. Both are giving off a "nothing to see here" vibe so far. Lets hear something more substantial please.
Yamato, VE, and Grackaroni, you guys just keep doing your thing.
Lol what is their 'thing'? Also what reads do you have on the 3 dudes you mentioned at the bottom? There 'thing' is talking alot and giving out reads and opinions. makes it easy to, you know, read them. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:46 hiro protagonist wrote:I find Palmar really hard to read... so far his play is less trolly than Im used to. His post in the first part of the game pusherd discussion along, some points for that. So far, he is in the null column. Lets see what he brings to the table. @WoS, Hiro Protagonist is the Protagonist of 'Snow Crash'. Hacker, worlds greatest swordsman, pizza delivery guy  funny that they 2 people on TL with that tag play Mafia. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:59 hiro protagonist wrote:On September 27 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 13:46 hiro protagonist wrote:I find Palmar really hard to read... so far his play is less trolly than Im used to. His post in the first part of the game pusherd discussion along, some points for that. So far, he is in the null column. Lets see what he brings to the table. @WoS, Hiro Protagonist is the Protagonist of 'Snow Crash'. Hacker, worlds greatest swordsman, pizza delivery guy funny that they 2 people on TL with that tag play Mafia. Him claiming to be part of the scumteam is not trolling? lol. I didnt say he wasn't trolling, just that he was less trolly. hes trolled waaaayyy hard than this. VA, your here, and actively lurking hardcore. reads? opinons? any thing at all to give me a reason not to lynch you? Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:03 hiro protagonist wrote:
Hmm, VA, in case you dont get it, you need to contribute. you cant just sit there and 'watch'. Unless you give me a good reason for you to just chill back(hint: you cant), then you better start giving me reads. what do you think af the game so far? who is suspicious in your eyes? What might have slipped under the radar?
From this point on, your gonna carry your weight. got it? Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:27 hiro protagonist wrote:
I would like to see ShiaoPi and BH post more.
kk, with that im off to bed ^__^ My favorite part is that he repeatedly asks people to give out reads and opinions, but doesn't provide any himself. I think the only read he's given so far is a "null" read on me, with absolutely no meat on it, just a "Palmar is hard to read". No attempt at analysis or anything. Not sure if this makes him scum though tbh, Hiro is notoriously timid even as town, at least he was when I last played with him, but this doesn't look good. Must evaluate.
Once again points out all of these patterns without reaching any conclusion that Hiro is more scummy because of it, saying at the end that this could be scum hiro or town hiro. He then never follows up with a case on Hiro that actually reaches a conclusion that Hiro is scum.
On September 27 2013 20:39 Palmar wrote:I like Blazinghand's big post on FT, but also want to add my own perspective. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. This exchange is very, very interesting. First off, take note that everything FirmTofu has done in this game was done in a span of half an hour, ie: in a single session. This is important because he intentionally drifts away from his conclusion that can be seen in the posts above. He seems quite certain Grack is scum, albeit with little reasoning. But his logic is completely off. If he thinks the chance of Grack flipping scum is so high, why doesn't he pile on? After all, trying to scumhunt the entire team on day 1 is completely retarded, you find scum, and you run with it. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi
RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic. Additionally, ShiaoPi is 100% not the only person that falls into this category. I don't particularly mind the ShiaoPi vote at this point, but note again the timing is important. Less than 20 minutes after calling Grack probable scum, FT is voting for someone else with equally awful reasons. Again, I don't mind voting ShiaoPi, but WHY does FT vote him over Grack? That's the important question here. Nothing in FT's posts explains his choice to do so, there is no logical reason for him, from the information he presents us with, to go after SP over FT, yet he does it. Also, I don't give a shit about you going to bed or reading other games FT, stop with the excuses.
Strike 3. Throw shit on FT. His case doesn't say why FT is scum because of what he did instead he spends a long time explaining why FT is being illogical, which both town and scum are capable of being. Palmar later admits that he's not sure if FT is acting illogically because he is bad or because he is scum:
On September 27 2013 23:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:32 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 23:24 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2013 23:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar you don't think it's possible FT thought too much discussion was focused on me and wanted to progress the thread? Why would he want to do that if he thinks you're "probably scum". That makes absolutely no sense. FT has been mislynched day 1 in his 2 last town games. That reason alone makes me skeptical. I wouldn't know, never played with the guy. Maybe he's just bad. Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore it when he does stupid or strange things.
On September 27 2013 23:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 23:49 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2013 23:32 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 23:24 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2013 23:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar you don't think it's possible FT thought too much discussion was focused on me and wanted to progress the thread? Why would he want to do that if he thinks you're "probably scum". That makes absolutely no sense. FT has been mislynched day 1 in his 2 last town games. That reason alone makes me skeptical. I wouldn't know, never played with the guy. Maybe he's just bad. Doesn't mean I'm going to ignore it when he does stupid or strange things. But that should still be a factor for you when making your reads No it shouldn't. I'm not trying to kill him yet. When I'm trying to kill someone the whole thread knows.
SO, which scum are you trying to kill? Nobody because Palmar doesn't give a shit who gets lynched. He hasn't made a single case with a conclusion which explains why the player is likely to be scum and he hasn't pressured anybody. Both things that Palmar usually does as town
S&B is correct. self-admittedly Palmar's best day is day1 and he's shown he doesn't care. More often than not useless Palmar = scum Palmar and that is what I am seeing here.
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Palmar's town reads are not bad. Don't really agree with BH/Pandain.
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Would add S&B to probable town. (I'm too lazy to make my own list)
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On September 30 2013 01:17 Koshi wrote:
So Grack. Is Palmar still scum?
I think so, it's possible he's just useless on weekends but there has been a definite lack of caring and I think his cases are scummy because he never proves why people are more likely scum.
Hiro/FT are good people to check though because I don't foresee them becoming useful in the future.
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On September 30 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar's town reads are not bad. Don't really agree with BH/Pandain. Who says this about a scumread?
If Palmar is scum he only has 2 teammates. I don't think it's a problem that I agree with a lot of the people he lists as town.
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On September 30 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:32 Grackaroni wrote:On September 30 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 30 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar's town reads are not bad. Don't really agree with BH/Pandain. Who says this about a scumread? If Palmar is scum he only has 2 teammates. I don't think it's a problem that I agree with a lot of the people he lists as town. Thats not the point. Its hard for me to explain. But its really odd.
you're used to seeing people agree with town reads not scum reads.
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On September 30 2013 01:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2013 01:43 Grackaroni wrote:On September 30 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 30 2013 01:32 Grackaroni wrote:On September 30 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 30 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar's town reads are not bad. Don't really agree with BH/Pandain. Who says this about a scumread? If Palmar is scum he only has 2 teammates. I don't think it's a problem that I agree with a lot of the people he lists as town. Thats not the point. Its hard for me to explain. But its really odd. you're used to seeing people agree with town reads not scum reads. Not that you dumbass.
lol it probably is that.
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