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On October 05 2013 08:16 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 08:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I didnt want to lynch vayne because ft and palmar were better lynches. Thr defence in his filter looked good too when i looked at his filter He didn't have any defense what are you talking about please quote the defenses
It was early middle in his filter. I can filter at work soz
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Im pretty satisfied if we lynched into a pool thats not me and not confirmed town.
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Oats is scum because:
On September 29 2013 05:22 Oatsmaster wrote: I think Palmar is 3p actually. If they exist.
On September 27 2013 18:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah I agree with you palmar. hiro has been not pushing people with questions.
-Concerning Palmar making sense in a scummy way-
On September 27 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Leading on, rayn, how do you have these townreads on me and VE? Both of you are not making sense in a scumy way.
On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: But Palmar is? I dont understand man.
On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: But Palmar is? I dont understand man.
It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand. I kinda wanna lynch WoS. I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum. For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason.
On September 27 2013 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:15 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 27 2013 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: But Palmar is? I dont understand man.
It doesn't matter, you don't need to understand. I kinda wanna lynch WoS. I kinda do need to understand how you formulate reads to know if you are town or scum. For example, I think that your current reads on me and VE are not very well substantiated and you are avoiding giving Palmar a town read for no good reason. Lol reasons everyone has reasons townies have reasons, scum have reasons. I believe a great man once told me bad reasons/no reason are towny I believe that you are taking those great words out of context. Rayn ok, what makes Palmar scum.
On September 27 2013 23:25 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't know if Palmar is scum. What he says makes a lot of sense. I am probably going to sheep him on D1 in case i feel like he is really trying to lynch scum (regardless of his alignment).
Atm i wanna lynch WoS. ##Vote: WaveofShadow The only thing i have found out that's really unlike to come from a townie is him shitting on town before the game hasn't even started fully. Another thing is that he is overly emo and i think he is faking it. Why would scum WoS fake emo? Man you basically think Palmar is town FOR NOW. You couldve said that earlier.
On September 27 2013 23:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Isnt it nice how you are calling me and VE town for posting in a not scum manner and Palmar not town for posting town manner.
On September 28 2013 18:05 Oatsmaster wrote: oh shit, I realised its Pandain not Palmar who posted the meta case on yamato
Hiro pro and everyone calling VE scummy, why? OK PALMAR IS PROBABLY town.
My bad.
On September 28 2013 19:58 Oatsmaster wrote: So Yamato, horrible town include palmar and VE and BH.
I see.
Rayn, how does point 3 make WoS mafia? All I see is that it makes him forgetful.
On September 29 2013 02:16 Oatsmaster wrote: RNG lynch SnB. lol dat distance
On September 29 2013 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote: What the fuck is going on. Why are people voting for Palmar, why hasnt SnB voted for anyone, why is Chairman Ray being noob mean that hes town?
On September 29 2013 03:02 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck man rayn, you have to explain Palmar being scum more than you dont like his read on WoS.
On October 01 2013 00:27 Oatsmaster wrote: sheep palmar.
On October 01 2013 23:23 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2013 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So rayn, palmar's scum and town meta are the same? No they are not. It's the fact that in this game scum can also genuinely scumhunt. He is scumhunting to some extent, but not up to his normal town play. But you called me and VE town because we are playing to our town meta. I dont get all this nonsense about Palmar being totally townie but not town.
On October 03 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck time to look townie and do retarded shit.
GUYS LYNCH PALMAR. ##vote Palmar I could basically vote for anyone at this point other than Koshi/Pandain/solstice/WoS
unvotes... votes ft... later...
On October 04 2013 14:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Palmar is totally town though. Lol you are funny Pandain.
First quote, I decided that my feelings were wrong and that Yamato was scum.
2nd and 3rd quote make 0 sense if you are calling me mafia for it.
Explain why you think that the 2nd and 3rd quotes are scummy Please Pandain.
On October 04 2013 14:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I think Vayne is playing stupid enough to be town, same with Palmar.
Palmar wanting to piss off rayn seems to be a townie thing to do.
Also he's done nothing this game to push lynches. 10 pages of filter that's done nothing. He's had suspicion on me the entire game but not tried to get me lynched or even cared that I was in this game.
Lynch Oats on the morrow.
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Concerning my Oats vote opener:
Expected Oats to flip out about it when I voted him if he was mafia, he played it cool. Instead VE flipped out, I got distracted by VE. But that's VE being VE, and didn't tell me much about his alignment. The best piece of information I got out of that exchange was Oats telling me to put my vote on someone else, like he was paranoid about me still voting him.
S0lstice is probably scum. He is blowing this entire situation out of proportion. Blowing up small townie 'errors' is a mafia motive.
Rescinding townread on CR, he needs to step it up. We have confirmed towns now and the pool is getting smaller, have to second guess my gut.
But seriously, this game FEELS so much better than noire! Omg red flips ^^ Fuck noire forever
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On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote: Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up.
I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia.
Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia.
Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG.
Just for now ##Vote: Koshi
I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG.
Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip)
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On September 29 2013 01:44 Chairman Ray wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: yamato77
wtf?
This made me LOL:
On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here . Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first. After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance. Scenario A Scumteam: SnB, VA FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town Scenario B Scumteam: SnB, FT VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town. Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them: VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town. FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA. Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either. There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow. Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer.##Vote: FirmTofu
Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life.
CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'....
Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore.
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On October 06 2013 00:24 austinmcc wrote: CC i think your post on oats is a little shabby and opportunistic. There are BOATLOADS of palmar mentions in Oat's D1. He's actively forcing people to take stances on Palmar.
Like, you pull out a million Oats mentions Palmar bits, but you don't DO anything with them. Are you saying that Oats is mafia and on Palmar's mafia team? Because if you don't think that, then Oats mentioning Palmar a bunch doesn't really DO anything at all.
And if you think he's on Palmar's team...that's a LOT of associating. Don't buy it.
I think you look a bit scummier for the post on Oats, but then you go and poke at Ray who I would have on your team. Is curious.
It's obvious the association I was making. Oats was trying to get people to have a townread on Palmar day 1.. just LOOK AT IT. Why are you guys voting Palmar? Why do you have a scumread on Palmar? He seems town.
And then he votes Palmar D3, but then says "I'll vote ANYONE at this point" then goes and votes FT, and says palmar is totally town again.
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Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame.
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Someone give me one reason Oats is TOWN.
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Wave direct me to these questions -.- I have like one hour at the computer every 2 days. It's nice to be able to filter
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On October 06 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame. You were just IN NOIRE, CHeese. That's EXACTLY what people said about CR to get him mislynched D1. That's a big pile of horseshit Cheese, and I don't like it.
Dude that was like TWO WEEKS ago. Why aren't you AT LEAST skeptical about CR? That's a big ass filter of im-not-sure about him that I'm worried about after we lynch Oats.
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On October 06 2013 00:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Wave direct me to these questions -.- I have like one hour at the computer every 2 days. It's nice to be able to filter Comment on this post please? Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 28 2013 01:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: WoS is looking townier by the minute folks. Calling me town at a time nobody else did 'cause I was bein' all ragey. Did I ever bring this up? I remember noticing it before but I guess I didn't find it important. Cheese if you read this, why did you give this read? On October 03 2013 06:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Oats is sitting on the sidelines jabbing at people but never pushing lynches. Confirming himself town for predicting a town flip is also BS, but probably sarcasm. This was a post I liked of his. Could mean they're opposite scumteams? lol I dunno there's not a great deal to go on in his filter---early game he pushes hiro and has the same suspicions as basically everyone regarding FT/SP pretty much. What bothers me a little is how he essentially mirrors a lot of my thoughts this game (aside from hiro)----and the reasons he gives are mirrors of mine only given earlier for each one---FT, Oats....I don't know. I don't see anything in his filter that makes me think scum, but nothing overly townie either. Null. Austin also commented regarding solstice's suspicion of you....I kinda find that in and of itself suspicious.
I called you "Townier by the minute" because you were raging. I like to make somewhat sarcastic comments while people are in the middle of something hot so I can chuckle to myself. You also seemed townie about what you were saying at the time, I can't exactly remember what you said specifically that prompted the post. I just didn't have a scumread on you.
I did push Hiro because I thought he was scum. FT was scummy too. I told people to NOT lynch SP but they did anyway. I kinda mirror scumreads as town because I don't have a lot of time anyway -- esp with the shitfest that was noire going on, and getting yelled at by Risen for making a JOKEPOST which made me mafia grrrr
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On October 06 2013 00:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 06 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 06 2013 00:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame. You were just IN NOIRE, CHeese. That's EXACTLY what people said about CR to get him mislynched D1. That's a big pile of horseshit Cheese, and I don't like it. Dude that was like TWO WEEKS ago. Why aren't you AT LEAST skeptical about CR? That's a big ass filter of im-not-sure about him that I'm worried about after we lynch Oats. You said it yourself, he's a newbie. Newbies are often afraid to flat out take stances because they're worried about how they look even as town. I know I was in my first few games until I learned that townies shouldn't care about that. I don't believe he scumslipped either. He's new, not stupid. I'm certainly not happy with his posting level though and I really want him to come back and actually engage the thread because like you said, the 'confirmed town' pool and flipped player pool means the unconfirmed pool gets smaller....
That's my point. His posts certainly smell fishy. Not a good lynch just yet, but we HAVE to be skeptical of him going further into the game. If he's left at a 2 town 1 scum lylo situation I'm going to pull my hair out---especially if I'm one of those town and I have to decide between CR and some other guy.
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On October 06 2013 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:So CC, do you think your self-applied heuristic applies this game? Would you consider yourself protown this game or not?
My sig says I'm not protown as town. A history on that statement: Essentially, it just means that I'm often wrong as town, and/or lurk a lot. Although I've been right in some games. I don't want to KEEP being 'not protown' as town. I'd like to keep being decent as scum, of course. Been trying to work on being more 'protown as town' but in noire I just got yelled at for lynching my top scumread grrr.
Since this game started I've tried to consolidate my thoughts so I don't take up 20 filter pages (because I HATE reading peoples filters that are long like that). If my filter is smaller people can read me easier.
Because I read my role PM I'm protown. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.
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On October 06 2013 00:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 06 2013 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:So CC, do you think your self-applied heuristic applies this game? Would you consider yourself protown this game or not? My sig says I'm not protown as town. A history on that statement: Essentially, it just means that I'm often wrong as town, and/or lurk a lot. Although I've been right in some games. I don't want to KEEP being 'not protown' as town. I'd like to keep being decent as scum, of course. Been trying to work on being more 'protown as town' but in noire I just got yelled at for lynching my top scumread grrr. Since this game started I've tried to consolidate my thoughts so I don't take up 20 filter pages (because I HATE reading peoples filters that are long like that). If my filter is smaller people can read me easier. Because I read my role PM I'm protown. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. As far as I can remember you actually played decently in Noire I think...? I dunno I was pretty far removed by the time it ended. Cheese who is 3rd member of the bangers?
I had a lot of trouble convincing people stutters was scum... because it was so obvious that he was. Odd as that sounds. I just didn't do much after my framed VE check that I was so depressed and didn't care any more.
Oats, my association was based off of him being with SnB and Palmar. Slight chance of CR, but I think you're right about CR. If Oats is scum with them two, then CR obviously can't be mafia in there and the association makes no sense.
I still have to look into VA and pandain and WoS, but im hoping its oats. epeeeeeeeen
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Final thought; S0lstice talking about mafia teams getting in contact with each other. Suspect as fuck.
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Eh austin, if i were scum I'd make sure the post looked good. oats was scummy and the association made sense. get over it bro.
Btw S0lstice claimed scum to me. He masoned me by payphone, and said that he was on the 'other' scum team and could help me win the game. He didnt specify which but im guessing hes the one scummer left and hoped i was on the trio.
jokes on him. I'm town.
For the town.
##vote: S0lstice
pays to look scummy but win with town sometimes hahaha.
posting more when i get home. he will try to wiggle he way out of this i bet.
you fucked up son, cant call me for help bitch. games over for scum.
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Can i post PMs? pretend thats.blue
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or green. Can i post PMs from other players?
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WoS... why would i not be town? solstice CLAIMED SCUM to me. He masoned me thinking i was other mafia team. dunked.
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