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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 01:44 GMT
#5929
VE there's effort and then there's EFFORT.
I really do think Austin is town here.
I want to go reread the end of PTP for a bit because that game would show similar effort from a scum Austin (before he was outed, even) and I don't remember it being quite as earnest as this game.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 01:49 GMT
#5932
Austin I have one question for you.
When you were outed as scum in PTP at the end of the game, did you lie about anything regarding yourself and/or when you attempted to get kita lynched?
If so, what did you lie about? (it's been a long time since that game and I was already long dead at that point---don't feel like rereading again but I will if you make me.)
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 01:57 GMT
#5934
On October 11 2013 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin I have one question for you.
When you were outed as scum in PTP at the end of the game, did you lie about anything regarding yourself and/or when you attempted to get kita lynched?
If so, what did you lie about? (it's been a long time since that game and I was already long dead at that point---don't feel like rereading again but I will if you make me.)

Yeah. We both doctored our PMs. Kita doctors his QT to make it look like he was neutral survivor, I doctored geript and myself in QT to make it look like geript told me kita had claimed mafia-aligned 3P.

I also edited OUT any mentions of my mind control power, as it was necessary to my winning. But in general, once I accidentally claimed, I was honest and in an odd way scumhunted kita, trying to convince gonzaw/crossfire that kita was the more dangerous anti-town faction.

Otherwise, apart from editing out mind control and rewording a couple geript posts, it's all legit. Truth and healthy healthy amounts of paranoia.

Dudes who wait til N23 or N27 or whatever to NK the last townie in a 1-1 scenario are not dudes who let their scumbuddies claim scum.

Yeah but that's not what I was getting at. Besides, you claimed scum yourself that game.

I was essentially just trying to see exactly how tryhard you played it towards end and exactly how much pre-planning and lying there was involved because I never understood exactly what happened at the end of that game. It turns out quite a lot.

It's a shame because all your answer did was show me that no matter how towny you look here, it don't mean shit.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 01:59 GMT
#5936
On October 11 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin I have one question for you.
When you were outed as scum in PTP at the end of the game, did you lie about anything regarding yourself and/or when you attempted to get kita lynched?
If so, what did you lie about? (it's been a long time since that game and I was already long dead at that point---don't feel like rereading again but I will if you make me.)

Yeah. We both doctored our PMs. Kita doctors his QT to make it look like he was neutral survivor, I doctored geript and myself in QT to make it look like geript told me kita had claimed mafia-aligned 3P.

I also edited OUT any mentions of my mind control power, as it was necessary to my winning. But in general, once I accidentally claimed, I was honest and in an odd way scumhunted kita, trying to convince gonzaw/crossfire that kita was the more dangerous anti-town faction.

Otherwise, apart from editing out mind control and rewording a couple geript posts, it's all legit. Truth and healthy healthy amounts of paranoia.

Dudes who wait til N23 or N27 or whatever to NK the last townie in a 1-1 scenario are not dudes who let their scumbuddies claim scum.

Yeah but that's not what I was getting at. Besides, you claimed scum yourself that game.

I was essentially just trying to see exactly how tryhard you played it towards end and exactly how much pre-planning and lying there was involved because I never understood exactly what happened at the end of that game. It turns out quite a lot.

It's a shame because all your answer did was show me that no matter how towny you look here, it don't mean shit.

Like the issue is I was trying to see if that 'healthy dose of paranoia' you threw into that game and you had this game are in any way different and it turns out they're not. If you're capable of real paranoia as scum you're certainly capable of faking it here imo, or having it be real as town.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 02:00 GMT
#5937
On October 11 2013 10:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin I have one question for you.
When you were outed as scum in PTP at the end of the game, did you lie about anything regarding yourself and/or when you attempted to get kita lynched?
If so, what did you lie about? (it's been a long time since that game and I was already long dead at that point---don't feel like rereading again but I will if you make me.)

Yeah. We both doctored our PMs. Kita doctors his QT to make it look like he was neutral survivor, I doctored geript and myself in QT to make it look like geript told me kita had claimed mafia-aligned 3P.

I also edited OUT any mentions of my mind control power, as it was necessary to my winning. But in general, once I accidentally claimed, I was honest and in an odd way scumhunted kita, trying to convince gonzaw/crossfire that kita was the more dangerous anti-town faction.

Otherwise, apart from editing out mind control and rewording a couple geript posts, it's all legit. Truth and healthy healthy amounts of paranoia.

Dudes who wait til N23 or N27 or whatever to NK the last townie in a 1-1 scenario are not dudes who let their scumbuddies claim scum.

Yeah but that's not what I was getting at. Besides, you claimed scum yourself that game.

I was essentially just trying to see exactly how tryhard you played it towards end and exactly how much pre-planning and lying there was involved because I never understood exactly what happened at the end of that game. It turns out quite a lot.

It's a shame because all your answer did was show me that no matter how towny you look here, it don't mean shit.

WHICH LOOKS TOWNIE IN CONTEXT!!! WHICH DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!!

WHY CAN'T WE CLEAR YOU AUSTIN?!?! WHHHHYYY??!?!?

Lol I thought that too.
Essentially Austin has backed himself into a neat little corner where nobody can ever trust anything he does no matter what.

I think it's going to be a gamble in the end either way.
Right now my odds are still on CC flipping red though---it's probably easier to look into CC to determine which of them is scum than Austin.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 02:07 GMT
#5941
On October 11 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2013 11:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
On October 11 2013 10:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin I have one question for you.
When you were outed as scum in PTP at the end of the game, did you lie about anything regarding yourself and/or when you attempted to get kita lynched?
If so, what did you lie about? (it's been a long time since that game and I was already long dead at that point---don't feel like rereading again but I will if you make me.)

Yeah. We both doctored our PMs. Kita doctors his QT to make it look like he was neutral survivor, I doctored geript and myself in QT to make it look like geript told me kita had claimed mafia-aligned 3P.

I also edited OUT any mentions of my mind control power, as it was necessary to my winning. But in general, once I accidentally claimed, I was honest and in an odd way scumhunted kita, trying to convince gonzaw/crossfire that kita was the more dangerous anti-town faction.

Otherwise, apart from editing out mind control and rewording a couple geript posts, it's all legit. Truth and healthy healthy amounts of paranoia.

Dudes who wait til N23 or N27 or whatever to NK the last townie in a 1-1 scenario are not dudes who let their scumbuddies claim scum.

Yeah but that's not what I was getting at. Besides, you claimed scum yourself that game.

I was essentially just trying to see exactly how tryhard you played it towards end and exactly how much pre-planning and lying there was involved because I never understood exactly what happened at the end of that game. It turns out quite a lot.

It's a shame because all your answer did was show me that no matter how towny you look here, it don't mean shit.

WHICH LOOKS TOWNIE IN CONTEXT!!! WHICH DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER!!

WHY CAN'T WE CLEAR YOU AUSTIN?!?! WHHHHYYY??!?!?

Lol I thought that too.
Essentially Austin has backed himself into a neat little corner where nobody can ever trust anything he does no matter what.

I think it's going to be a gamble in the end either way.
Right now my odds are still on CC flipping red though---it's probably easier to look into CC to determine which of them is scum than Austin.

Yeah, that was going to be my next approach.

Wave if you're scum, I can never trust you again. You realize this yes?

What brings on this specific thought right now?

I'm not really sure why you'd inherently be able to trust me in any game anyway---this comment is weird VE.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 03:06 GMT
#5943
On October 11 2013 12:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just because you've posted so much man. I went to filter you after that last post and your filter is massive. Like no matter what I say, people who post a lot I tend to think are town. However, people who can post a lot regardless of alignment I tend to start from the viewpoint that they're scum. Call it a conscious effort to overcome my bias. I'll automatically distrust you in future games if it turns out that you're scum in this game. Sorry bra.

Oh I get it, that's fine.
I mean, especially since I have specifically mentioned my filter size is way too ridiculous to be scum. But what this essentially means is next time I roll scum I may have to post similarly to this because my only other scumgame my posting level was nowhere near my usual. Or I have to start posting way less in other towngames too. (I should probably go for the second option. I think my posting is so insane this game because I'm actively REALLY trying to win as town and eventually realized we had a really good shot at winning, early demoralization be damned.)
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 03:07 GMT
#5944
But again, I'm not so sure what would make me more trustworthy in one game as compared to another---I would think just like any game, you'd only trust me if you had good reason to think I'm town. Hence why I find the comment odd. Nobody trusts anyone---it's fucking mafia.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 18:12 GMT
#5969
O hai VA.
Weclome bakk buddeh
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 18:16 GMT
#5973
Ehhhhh
I'm not 100% sure on Vayne (mostly because my recent townread is based on some mind-meld town POV stuff, and every other time I've based reads on like one post this game I've been wrong), but I don't necessarily see how that's a scum reaction.

I'd be WAY more careful as scum to let my anger over losing a mislynch target spill into the thread. Like.,...why would you not fake the joy or go for the townie reaction here?
I 100% would.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 19:03 GMT
#5982
On October 12 2013 04:01 austinmcc wrote:
Stream of consciousness Vayne's filter:
  • Early BH kill suspicion slightly mafia. Never really GOES anywhere with it.
  • Conversation with CR after N1 kills gut townie. CR arguing that BH was shot by police, VA probably the most argumentative there, countering each CR argument. Don't see this as a point that needs mafia/mafia arguing over to look good.
  • Paranoid minor scum on VA addressing CR's post attacking him. People have poked VA, wanted to policy lynch VA, voted him, but his response to CR is the first time he just goes off on why the person attacking him is wrong, but then also makes no conclusion about CR's alignment. Reads like he's interacting differently with the CR attack than other attacks. However, I actually like that VA also draws reads (WoS town) because of the way folks react to the CR post. Looks more like someone trying to figure out the game.
  • Lots of speculation not just on NKs, but on ... cop actions. Hiro gets shot and he's immediately trying to figure out what powers we lost. Possible fishing, not especially scummy on its own given his apprent kill/action bent.
  • His push on oats is neutral. I push for his reasoning, he says it's really just oats's inactivity, notes that inactive oats in Nuclear was scum. No attempt to grab any extra reasons.


Apart from those small reactions, here are two large things that stick out to me. One has already been covered ad nauseum, the other is his posts on CR.

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2013 14:26 VayneAuthority wrote:
alright now I get to tear you to shreds. Let me show you why you're making a grave error here.

1. You say FT looks town because he is going after "good players that aren't considered to be scummy by the majority." I have been doing the same thing by going after grackaroni, palmar, and pandain yet I am somehow scum to you. Contradiction #1

2. You are complaining about my personality and my playstyle, not mentioning things that make me scummy. If it was as simple as people that care are town and people that don't care are scum nobody would play mafia since it would be pointlessly easy. Koshi is a townread because he isn't even trying to look town yet I get flak for simply bullshitting with other players that are also bullshitting? Contradiction #2

3. I'm being active without any obligation. I could easily just lurk like half of this game right now but I'm not. Seems to make austin a town read but not me...Hm. Contradiction #3

I could do more but I think that is sufficient. If you need help from your scum team on not making easy posts to debunk then ask them in the QT. if you are town then stop bothering me.
Null.
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.

In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.
Not townie.
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2013 01:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
if anything im going to be pressure voting CR tomorrow. fuck this lurking shit when i dont know anything about the guy
Pressure vote, no clear read.
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 12:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't really care at this point if he's scum or not, just bored with these mega lurkers that make the game impossible if they are alive at endgame, which could happen
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 12:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
assuming im wrong about one of pandain/austin he would be my filler choice. Still not sure on the 3rd really ever since oats got confirmed. No idea who the last banger is. Cheesecake? bad. I dont know man.
Don't care/he's scum if other reads are wrong.

He doesn't get a read on CR for CR's early attack on VA. He never really bothers to address CR at all, despite CR somewhat attacking VA in thread and despite CR being a legitimate topic of discussion at times. Even the posts that read like he DOES have thoughts on CR, they're never really explicit. "I don't find him townie at all" without explanation, "I don't really care", "He's my filler scum if I'm wrong on x or y." There's never a reason he's scum, or a reason he's not scum. Sort of halfway mentioning CR while never actually addressing him reads as scummy to me.


Overall, he stays where he is for me, scummier than WoS but townier than cc.

It's funny, that's the same way I feel about you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 19:10 GMT
#5987
On October 12 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
all I know about CR is that he has never rolled scum here before and Coag said he plays scum well on the other site they play together. I don't find him townie at all really but I guess im alone. more on that before night ends.

In short, it seems like he is using me as leverage for the lynch tomorrow, so that he has an excuse to already vote me tomorrow without doing much of anything again.

I actually find this very townie post. That thing with Coag <--> CR is from Noir and i remember it aswell. I think it was not worthless to point out.

Not worthless necessarily but considering the theme of this game has been FUCKING BUS EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING I don't think it gives him many townie points.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:00 GMT
#5996
I just had a thought for a play I think scum may very well make tonight.
Posting this right at deadline:

If scum do indeed have 2KP they may not risk using the second (since VE is a sure kill) and instead hope for the mislynch today so they can use BOTH KP tomorrow night and win(?) (since likely everyone has used their vest who has one tonight).
They may also attempt a fakeclaim of vest use if they only use the one shot.

Be wary.

Scum, I may or may not have used my vest tonight for the first time in preparation for such a scenario. GL with that!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:02 GMT
#6000
GG VE.
No NK analysis to be done here.
##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake

We have to essentially hope we're right now, and if not, we have to hope scum don't still have the driveby and/or some people didn't use their vests.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:03 GMT
#6003
On October 12 2013 05:02 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
I just had a thought for a play I think scum may very well make tonight.
Posting this right at deadline:

If scum do indeed have 2KP they may not risk using the second (since VE is a sure kill) and instead hope for the mislynch today so they can use BOTH KP tomorrow night and win(?) (since likely everyone has used their vest who has one tonight).
They may also attempt a fakeclaim of vest use if they only use the one shot.

Be wary.

Scum, I may or may not have used my vest tonight for the first time in preparation for such a scenario. GL with that!
Show nested quote +
Drive-By - scum sacrifice 1 KP this night for 2 KP the following night. One of the 2 KP must be used to make a night-kill. Cannot be used on consecutive nights.
If they used it 2 nights ago to get 2 KP tonight, they couldn't use it again tonight.

Except there has been no drive-by accounted for for a couple nights now. There is a KP missing, so they may have saved it up (or it was the Bangers who had it and Pandain died).
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#6009
On October 12 2013 05:05 austinmcc wrote:
If mafia does not use all of their KP on a given night, does it roll over? (Not accounting for drive bys)

I have always assumed it does since it's used as currency in this game as well.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:06 GMT
#6010
On October 12 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Good job VE.
Okay guys we have a mislynch. Kill CC.

##Vote: Mr.CheeseCake

Not necessarily true as per my scenario above.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:10 GMT
#6013
On October 12 2013 05:07 austinmcc wrote:
Yeah but that's why it's in green

I assumed it would NOT, because if all KP rolls over then drive-by is useless. Essentially, drive-by allows you to bank KP but only in specific scenarios (every other day, and only 1 at a time). If you can bank ALL KP, there's no need for them to be able to drive-by.

That's a good point, actually.
Yeah then if we get the answer to this we'll know if we have a mislynch or not.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:17 GMT
#6015
On October 12 2013 05:16 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2013 05:05 austinmcc wrote:
If mafia does not use all of their KP on a given night, does it roll over? (Not accounting for drive bys)


No, unused KP does not roll over.

Fucking sweet.
Ok we do have a mislynch!
CC--->Austin--->GG.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
October 11 2013 20:28 GMT
#6017
On October 12 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I hope mafia actually had 2 KP last night because i didn't actually have my vest left. Would be nice to fool scum into not shooting. :D

Shhhh.
If we still have vests left we may get 2 mislynches out of this. (I certainly hope we do not need them.)
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