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On September 28 2013 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, the point I'm trying to make here (if people would just accept that Koshi was RNGed) is that we're done talking about some "abstract RNG lynch". We're talking about lynching Koshi. People want to use RNG to opt out of the town discourse, but that is no longer possible because we've actually RNGed someone, you see?
Again, as one of the primary proponents of RNG today, when did I ever attempt to opt out of town discourse?
Did anyone actually do this? If so, where?
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On September 28 2013 03:29 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 28 2013 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, the point I'm trying to make here (if people would just accept that Koshi was RNGed) is that we're done talking about some "abstract RNG lynch". We're talking about lynching Koshi. People want to use RNG to opt out of the town discourse, but that is no longer possible because we've actually RNGed someone, you see? Again, as one of the primary proponents of RNG today, when did I ever attempt to opt out of town discourse? Did anyone actually do this? If so, where? As the other primary proponent, I never attempted to opt out either. but the fact that the concept exists WITHOUT HAVING RNGED SOMEONE is bad. In fact, multiple people (not sure if you) said "yeah, I like RNG lynch but looks like we can't RNG anyone so I guess my support for it is meaningless" WELL YOU GUYS JUST GOT PUNKED.
Who did you punk? I appreciate the action and I sort of agree with what you were trying to do in theory bu i don't think you caught anyone out honestly.
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On September 28 2013 01:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
WoS is looking townier by the minute folks.
I know I keep giving you townreads when you're useless but I don't know if I can give you one this game since you're also playing in Noire. That post gives me the jibblies especially when half the town disagrees with you atm and the other half is afk.
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On September 28 2013 03:39 Koshi wrote:About your case on rayn. I don't like it. rayn talked about over 10 people already and made clear where is stances are. Sadly in this game scum can hunt but I am keeping him around.
What does the amount of people Rayn talked about have to do with anything? Rayn is perfectly capable of tunneling someone as a scumread but still looking elsewhere, as either alignment.
I didn't really expect anyone to like my case on him I suppose, it was mroe getting my thoughts out. And when I wrote my thoughts out I realized there was something that may make my whole post fundamentally wrong so I'm probably going to end up dropping it. Overall I'd like to talk to Rayn himself.
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On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent.
You know a post like this makes it real easy for BH to say that you're just scum trying to appease him.
For the record I agree with most of your post---I'm not sure how forwardly he's pushing the thread atm, nor do I think his devising of the actual RNG was 'brilliant' as much as 'necessary.' It was the logical progression from that discussion---without a way to actually perform RNG there was no point in discussing it further and I personally did not think of a way to do it.
I'd also be careful about how 'sincere' you think BH is. He is a Wile E. guy. (Who i think is town)
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Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post?
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On September 28 2013 03:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent. You know a post like this makes it real easy for BH to say that you're just scum trying to appease him. For the record I agree with most of your post---I'm not sure how forwardly he's pushing the thread atm, nor do I think his devising of the actual RNG was 'brilliant' as much as 'necessary.' It was the logical progression from that discussion---without a way to actually perform RNG there was no point in discussing it further and I personally did not think of a way to do it. I'd also be careful about how 'sincere' you think BH is. He is a Wile E. guy. (Who i think is town)
You know, fuck pussyfooting around it, reading your filter atm.
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On September 28 2013 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hai Rayn.
Why didn't you tear up my post? Because i don't have to. It's just wrong. What do you think of what i just said about FT?
Starting a read of his filter atm.
Why is it wrong, Rayn? I have my own reasons but I want to hear yours.
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Yup, Rayn town. Damn was I wrong.
Still wouldn't mind an explanation regarding my post though because I'm fairly certain our reasons are different.
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On September 28 2013 03:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yup, Rayn town. Damn was I wrong.
Still wouldn't mind an explanation regarding my post though because I'm fairly certain our reasons are different.
Oh but fuck multi-scumteam game....
FUCk I gotta keep my thoughts straight.
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You didn't shut everyone down in that game either. You yelled at people to vote for me but you did allow the conversation to go to other places at times.
I dunno I'm kinda disappointed I was expecting more.
Anyway FT read:
His entire 1-page filter reads like a scum manual.
On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.
1) Give strong players townreads, throw out a couple others just to keep people honest, and be honest regarding unknowns, you don't want anyone on your ass you can't handle.
On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi
RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic.
2) RNG is BAD. No town will ever go for this so make sure to shut it down to look as towny as possible. Just in case this game actually is different though (considering the statistics) make it look like you'll consider it to appease people.
On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.
3) Oh yeah, I gave this guy a scumread based on nothing huh? I'll delay this as long as I can and maybe people will forget.
On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi.
30% are pretty good odds.
BH, why aren't you voting Koshi?
On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well.
On September 28 2013 03:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Blazinghand is town. He's actively pushing the thread forward and his read on on me seems genuine. Forcing people to take sides on the RNG debate was a brilliant idea. Helps us out a great deal by holding people accountable for their empty stances. He's completely wrong about me, but his sincerity is clearly apparent.
4) Shit, strong town player is on to me! Better appease him too and I have to stick with my RNG stance now that the bluff has been called!
The only issue I have with this narrative is it almost seems...too obvious? Also regarding what I said about BH's progression of the RNG discussion by actually RNGing someone----would scum really get caught by that? I'm not going to use 'too scummy to be scum' here because I hate that heuristic, but this would be a very good place for it. Overall i'd have to lean scum simply based on the narrative but also based on what I know about my thoughts towards RNG and how I acted about it vs how FT did. If we're 'Keeping it Simple, Stupid,' FT must be scum.
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Koshi's not scum.
I will stick with RNG lynch if that's what we're doing but I firmly believe he is not scum.
VE I'm not sure what you were getting at with your post regarding BH.
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Oh shits SnB dropping bombs.
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On September 28 2013 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am saying he has some ulterior motivation for bucking the RNG lynch now that it's a think when he was in favor of it when there was no target.
So you think BH is scum for it?
And you're voting Koshi?
I'm really not following you VE.
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On September 28 2013 04:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:27 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 28 2013 04:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I am saying he has some ulterior motivation for bucking the RNG lynch now that it's a think when he was in favor of it when there was no target. So you think BH is scum for it? And you're voting Koshi? I'm really not following you VE. I said I'm in favor of RNG. I don't know what it means with relation to BH - maybe he lied to get information, maybe he's lying now to get information, maybe he's scumbuddies with Koshi. I need to see content to see what it means in relation to BH. But the RNG is Koshi. Man up and vote.
If you say so. Can you provide a read on Koshi though so you're not 'opting out of town discourse' as BH says?
Also if it is clear that we do not have support enough to get Koshi RNG lynched I will be switching back to Vayne.
##Unvote
##Vote: koshi
Sorry guy, but VE told me to. If there is a chance RNG lynch goes through I want it for today.
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On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:45 Koshi wrote:
Well, somewhat ignoring the whole townread thing but I like the vote on WoS. Like I said, the emo stuff makes me want to vote him as wel because he tries to mindfuck us not voting him. Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this? I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?' Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it? Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum.
VE what do you think of the above post?
Looking back at this now I'm honestly surprised Koshi never voted for me since he has openly called me a scumread a couple times now. Maybe now that I've voted for him he'll have a reason to.
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On September 28 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think that superficially it looks like scum trying to test the waters of a WoS lynch.
Why would he need to test the waters when Oats and Rayn had voted for me and so many other people were openly suspicious?
Like...I remember calling Grack out for this in GS and this doesn't look like quite the same thing. Even mroe perplexing will be that supposedly Koshi says he will be away until after lynch so we may not get any more info out of him.
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On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.
He is mega lynchbait, BH, but I do believe the scum narrative holds a little more water here.
On September 28 2013 04:51 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 04:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 28 2013 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think that superficially it looks like scum trying to test the waters of a WoS lynch. Why would he need to test the waters when Oats and Rayn had voted for me and so many other people were openly suspicious? Like...I remember calling Grack out for this in GS and this doesn't look like quite the same thing. Even mroe perplexing will be that supposedly Koshi says he will be away until after lynch so we may not get any more info out of him. You wouldn't be asking this question if you replaced the bolded with "BH and VE had voted for me" now would you?
How so? Is Koshi the kind of player to 'respect the vets?' Not to mention I'm pretty sure YOU were one of the people openly suspicious of me as well---what would a scum Koshi need to vote for me?
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On September 27 2013 05:55 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 05:53 yamato77 wrote:On September 27 2013 05:52 Palmar wrote:
Who gave WoS a high horse and why is he on it? Postgame of Golden Sun. Plus he got shot N1 in a big game. Contrary to VE, I find it quite fitting for town WoS to act this way. You misunderstand me - I fully expect WoS to have confidence. But his whole "OH FUCK ME I'M TOWN CRY CRY CRY CRY" seems overplayed. I did something similar, but I didn't write a whole post on the matter - only made a little joke about it. And I'm slightly more dramatic than WoS.
On September 28 2013 01:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 28 2013 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
hahahhahaha WoS being Oats-like.
Nope, because in any given game i will always be more useful than you, attitude aside. VE, my first post regarding yamato then, do you think it's coming from a scum place? I'm not saying I unequivocally think you're scum - I'm saying I'd lynch you before I'd lynch VA. Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
And VE, why do you not like a VA lynch? Do you have a read on him? VA is posting more townlike than I'd expect from a scum VA, though to be honest I'm not really sure WHAT I expect of a scum VA because I'm not sure I've even played with such a beast. I think he's a far poorer lynch than yamato, who is clearly scum to me. And I think he's a poorer lynch than you because not only have you been consistently shitting on town, but now you're sheeping after scum. No bueno.
And I know you explained the second one but maybe I'm slightly annoyed that you think i would be a better lynch than VA in any game.
You can't say those posts aren't suspicion, VE. Not scumreads per se, but suspicion.
In any case that's not important, more important is Koshi. Can you answer those questions in my post before this?
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