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On October 09 2013 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 09 2013 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
WoS has been trying to discredit me and push my mislynch ever since I outed that mafia s0l payphoned me. Austin doesn't look like a good enough target for tomorrow. He was one of the most protown dudes during the s0lstice fiasco. Going to be deciding between WoS/Vayne. Hopefully we can just lynch scum on the first shot so I don't have to contemplate it any further than X dude is scum. Funny, I think Pandain might have said the same thing. That's really weird! Nice generic "Scum would post that" post. Is there any reason to lynch me besides my reputation as being a slimy bastard with big plays when I roll mafia?
I don't really need anything else.
I've got town on Vayne now so the only people left are you and Austin.
You can go first.
Sorry but dem's da breaks!
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He's no Flash but he's gosu-er than you.
On October 09 2013 05:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote:
rayn.
Does a team of CR/austinmcc/ANYONE make sense to you? Team Solstice/CR/anyone does not make sense to me. That means there is some clever mindfuck games going on -- Which you and WoS are most capable of. Hey rayn. Here's another thought. let's think back to Les Mafia once again if we're talking about scumclaiming. Who was paranoid as fuck when Dandel wanted to claim SK because he assumed no one would believe him and it would essentially be the same as claiming scum? I'll give you a hint. Vayne knows the answer.
On October 09 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote:
rayn.
Does a team of CR/austinmcc/ANYONE make sense to you? Team Solstice/CR/anyone does not make sense to me. That means there is some clever mindfuck games going on -- Which you and WoS are most capable of. that's incorrect WoS would never let his team do this imo. he cried about every little thing that was not completely standard when i played mafia with him.
On October 09 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote:
rayn.
Does a team of CR/austinmcc/ANYONE make sense to you? Team Solstice/CR/anyone does not make sense to me. That means there is some clever mindfuck games going on -- Which you and WoS are most capable of. that's incorrect WoS would never let his team do this imo. he cried about every little thing that was not completely standard when i played mafia with him. LOL FUCKING NINJAD VA I think you might be town god damn it
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On October 09 2013 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 11:25 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:13 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 09 2013 11:10 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 09 2013 05:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
actually this game is a lot easier then I realized. Mr.CC has had a townread on me the entire game, if he ever changes that at some point lynch him. If he is cool with never lynching me then he's town obviously unless I die at night. lul This is a gross generalization of my read on you early game. Where have I indicated that I have a townread on you the entire game? The only time I can remember is when I switched to lynch Palmar, because I thought he was scummier than you. And why if I change that read does it make me mafia? Makes no sense. because shackling yourself to me is beneficial only as town. Extremely non-beneficial as scum. If you are town you have no problem making a pact with me; if you are scum you need the possibility of mislynching me. Wtf? I'm town. I don't know your alignment. Why would I shackle myself to somebody who I don't know is town??? Look at noire. I didn't want to shackle myself to no-fucking body, even marv or Yamato who were blates town. You're suggesting that I auto-assume you are town and just roll with it. That's so bad, like so bad. its actually quite good since we don't have to worry about each other and you get the better end of the deal since everyone knows im town. You would only be a threat at lylo at that point. By not taking the deal you just make me want to lynch you since you are keeping your options open. Keeping my options open?? I have 3 people. 2 are town, 1 is scum. Not considering you is absolutely terrible play. I can't just slap a sticker on someone that says "100% town here" and keep that the rest of the game. I'm paranoid because I don't know alignments. When I'm mafia I just pick people and yell at them until they die because I'm never wrong in the end, and somehow people think that's townie because I'm being consistent. well if you've been following the game it is really obvious im town at this point. if you can't accept that you can join austin in the list of needs to die asap I'm paranoid of everybody. Just like people still think I'm scum even after I outed s0lstice, because "I made a huge play and faked the payphone call from my mafia buddy" I don't get in what universe this makes sense in.
Alright CC.
Then you tell us.
Why did Solstice make the call?
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Hey Sent, Can we has 24h day plox? I offer you this MSPaint drawing as tribute.
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I know this is predicated on absolutely nothing, but I get the feeling that with this game and Noire combined CC is trying to ditch the meta he's known for.
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On October 09 2013 11:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Punk music is the devil's music. Hang, scum.
You only think that because you're an old, old man.
Like me.
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On October 10 2013 00:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And btw i am refusing to lynch WoS or Vayne.
Vayne has been straight up townie with his interactions with scum. No retarded "let's make me look better"-busses with cases on scumbuddies (which has been the case here). No trying to save anyone or any other shennies. Just straight up "these people are scum, that's it, now die". Looks like normal town!Vayne, not too tryhard.
WoS has been genuinely interested in these Solstice/CR situations. Has been asking the right questions and has a clear thought process. If he is scum he deserves to win, because there are couple of things that are (in that case) incredibly next-level scumplay. (1) His interactions with Solstice on D4. (2) CR claims scum. When the plan goes shit, CR claims fakeclaiming shennies as town. WoS tricks CR into claiming scum again. If that is the plan for scum!WoS and CR, oh my god, i salute WoS!
So yeah, lynch CC, then Austin. CC before Austin because if Austin is town he has played a really good game and i don't want to mislynch him for good play unless he is my last pick for mafia.
Agree completely. Gg?
(I wasn't trying to trick CR for the record. Legitimately just asking questions. Sometimes you just get a favourable result .)
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On October 10 2013 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh WoS, then you don't get the trick credit. I was waiting someone of the non-confirmed's to ask that. :D
I hate you sometimes.
Vayne austin played a great game as either alignment.
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On October 10 2013 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually fuck no. If scum have 2 KP tonight we do not have a mislynch. hmmzz..
That's what I said earlier.
We won't know until NKs happen if we're set or not.
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On October 10 2013 02:59 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch. If you're super mega concerned about these things, I'll focus on looking through them, but I'm reluctant to focus on why CR might have claimed/unclaimed/reclaimed scum and such over filters and who pushed who when. Especially earlier before all this began. Whatever has been going on recently with solstice/CR claims, it's either (1) super orchestrated or (2) nonsensical (imo). I'd rather look at things before the point they went nuts.
Either an attempt to steer us in the wrong direction, or makes a shit ton of sense
I'm leaning towards the latter atm as I was thinking somewhat similar things.
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On October 10 2013 03:12 Chairman Ray wrote:
Guys, I'm actually the cop. There was actually a third cop called the Undercover Agent, which is a secret role that's not announced at the start. I basically get to look at a team's QT if I claim to be on that team. On the banger team, the mafia are pandain/strongnbig/palmer. On the baller team, the mafia are solstice/raynpelikoneet/Wave of Shadow. I don't know how rayn was confirmed as mafia. I think he's another secret role. We're making a big mistake here by lynching me. We have to lynch rayn and WoS, or else we lose.
The proper way to do this is attach a picture of a baby seal.
Bonus points if you draw it yourself in paint.
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On October 10 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyone except VisceraEyes, this is what i want you to do on N5, or at last on D6;
Wo is the last scum and why, considering these things:
(1) Solstice payphoning CC. How does the scum actions on D4 make sense regarding that happening?
(2) N4, and CR claiming scum, and the scum actions regarding that.
(3) D5, CR retracting from the scumclaim when seeing Pandain flip and then claiming scum again. The scum guys actions regarding that.
(4) It is clear that D4 onwards scum were bussing and bussing hard. Who is the last scum and why do their actions from D4 onwards make most sense from scum!pov?
VE: One of us is gonna die the next night. You, or if scum have 2 KP they might double stack me. Look closely into those answers, consider what i have said, and if it does make sense when you cross-reference that into other people's answers. If someone does not answer this post, lynch. Actually guys, i need to tell VE something important regarding this before the night ends, and there is a possibility that i die, so post your answers before Night ends. If you think some of these point-of-analysis is not important include the reasoning for it into your analysis.
Well since it's likely not 24h day I should be able to get to this. (N5 ends 48-ish hours from now, right?) I'm getting home crazy late tonight and I have a long day in clinic tomorrow.
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Yeah the thing about CR's play is, like I mentioned earlier, it looked a great deal like his newbie town play, and like I said eventually he would attempt to use it to his advantage. Turns out it was this game.
CR I do hope you know you can't act the newbie any more now, ever, because nobody will believe you. 
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On October 10 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game?
Wat.
Are you serious?
Part of the reason I was so sure of FT is because BH was going after him for much of the day!
BH was pinning down FT for scum, and I honestly don't even remember him calling me as such.
Where are you getting this?
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On October 10 2013 04:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 10 2013 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another thing i would like to have answered is this:
BlazingHand was hit N1. I was pretty surprised as only people (besides now confirmed town) he called scum was WoS. Why was Blazinghand hit? He wanted me dead. Noone used that against me from that point on while they could have. Not even Palmar. Could this incriminate WoS and if so, why? Why has noone brought this up at any point in this game? Wat. Are you serious? Part of the reason I was so sure of FT is because BH was going after him for much of the day! BH was pinning down FT for scum, and I honestly don't even remember him calling me as such. Where are you getting this? I do not necessarily think you are scum because of it. I wanna know what other people think about it.
That's not what I mean.
Oh wait you said 'besides cofnirmed town.' lol nvm.
I assumed you somehow missed his FT push.
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On October 10 2013 05:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
This day will remain a 48-hour day. Assuming a unanimous vote the next day will be 24 hours.
WoS I will find a way to reward you in the future
Yay!
I don't need no Greymist points or Grokbux for the record.
Rayn do me a favour and remind me of the stuff you want me to look at tomorrow evening after the lynch. I'm not going to have a whole lot of time to play until then.
Regarding BH's suspicion towards me, to be completely honest I don't even remember him having a whole lot of that. I will have a look when I get the chance along with all that other stuff tomorrow.
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Oh and regarding the recent conversation before I go, I think CR claim COULD have been premeditated, but if so, why give up in the exact same way twice?
Appears way more likely to have really given up, then convinced by scumbuddy to fight, then gave up again and even TOLD us that he was being yelled at in QT.
Of course the above could have been a lie but then why confess essentially the same way twice?
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On October 10 2013 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
SSuch bullshit. Why not vote to end day early if you not even gonna be here to do anything. Where the balls is Wave?!
Clinic all day breh.
Super insane-o busy yesterday. Should be in my filter I think.
I will be around and active later tonight and tomorrow pre-NK.
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Just poppin' in to say hi.
We're sure it's not Vayne, right?
Paranoia setting in as to how he keeps assuring everyone I'm town.
Like, I'm pretty sure my recent solid townread on him is for a pretty good reason and I really don't want to go back and revisit him. Under any other circumstances I'd be all like 'Well Vayne played a great scumgame so if it's him than he deserves to win"
And I mean, he would deserve to win too, but it's VAYNE, and I'm sick of him winning scumgames and not getting lynched for good reasons and shit.
All of that is pretty spiteful though I admit.
I just want to see if everyone else is as pretty damn sure as I am that it's not Vayne. Before having a good look at Austin/CC later. Still leaning CC, but I want to be sure.
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On October 11 2013 07:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm pretty sure...he wasn't as overtly abrasive in the scum game I read and that's pretty much the only serious difference, but his conclusions match mine and I'm going with town.
Wave you should read austin and my interactions on the last 4 or 5 pages. Over the course of questioning him I had a really hard time getting him to commit to a scumread, and it didn't feel like it was because he wasn't sure or was paranoid or whatever. And he's got some interactions with s0L that are basically unexplainable from a town perspective.
I saw some of that, but I think I have to go back and read it.
Who was commenting on the fact that Austin shouldn't still be alive, you or VE? (Or was it Rayn?)
'Cause I remember that particular point being bullshit.
I do remember Austin talking quite a bit without taking stances recently.
Give me a few hours before any hardcore reading/analysis. I promise I'll get to any thing people want me to get to later on.
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