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On October 05 2013 13:29 Pandain wrote:
Pretty sure I changed my read of CC and I consider the SnB FT connection to be more poor play then scum play.
I'm now suspicious of CC due to understanding of how he played in Noir as well as him being afk until almost lynch
What do you understand about how he played in Noir?
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On October 05 2013 13:26 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2013 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 05 2013 13:19 s0Lstice wrote:@WoS his early vote on Oats On September 28 2013 00:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 28 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 28 2013 00:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 28 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE are you mafia? I expected mafia to jump all over that vote on oats.
And look, you're jumping all over it. Are you retarded? You voted with no reasoning, what the fuck do you expect? Why is it exclusively scum that would call out a vote against someone with no reasoning provided? It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there. what? If you were scum, I'd think you'd yell at me for making a terrible vote like that. On September 28 2013 00:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 28 2013 00:54 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 28 2013 00:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 28 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 28 2013 00:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 28 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE are you mafia? I expected mafia to jump all over that vote on oats.
And look, you're jumping all over it. Are you retarded? You voted with no reasoning, what the fuck do you expect? Why is it exclusively scum that would call out a vote against someone with no reasoning provided? It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there. what? If you were scum, I'd think you'd yell at me for making a terrible vote like that. ok so im not scum. Cool. Thanks for taking your vote off me and putting it somewhere else. You so paranoid, I don't feel like taking the time to ##Unvote. Oh, there we go! It is interesting that you care about that 1 vote on you. Oats has the correct reaction (not freaking out) but then CC finds a reason to go after him anyway? Then at VE...who does what mafia are supposed to do and jumps on it. On September 28 2013 00:55 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 28 2013 00:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 28 2013 00:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 28 2013 00:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
VE are you mafia? I expected mafia to jump all over that vote on oats.
And look, you're jumping all over it. Are you retarded? You voted with no reasoning, what the fuck do you expect? Why is it exclusively scum that would call out a vote against someone with no reasoning provided? It's probably the easiest thing for scum to pick out. If you were town, you'd have realized that it was bait for somebody to call me out on it, and I figured if Oats was mafia he'd be like WOW obvious scum here. I get the best reads when people think I'm scum--Speaking of which, do check noir I want to know your read of me there. This is a waste of time. Vote for me if you think I'm scum, otherwise shut up you're not making any sense. And CC says: On September 28 2013 00:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar if you set up the Random lynch I'm down.
VE I still think you're town, but the vote was a reaction test for Oats. So VE fails the test supposedly, is town. Oats passes, but oops still mafia. Its like he had his conclusions picked out before doing it...hence pretense. But didn't he remove his vote from Oats? He did, but he continued to soft that Oats was mafia in the very same post. Its like the test changed his opinion of Oats not at all.
I dunno. It's a curiosity to be sure but it's not enough on its own to do anything. Could just be reluctance to retract a scumread. I want Cheese to come back and address this stuff though. Like that early townread on me.
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Cheese can you address some stuff I typed about you last night?
VE hai.
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Actually come to think of it Austin addressed solstice's suspicion on you before you could even get to it lol.
VE I get exactly what you're feeling atm.
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On October 06 2013 00:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Like, we need to kill the last Banger to kill a KP, but we need to kill a Baller or whatever so that we can start actually finding the other scumteam. 
IN theory finding the third would be great, but I realized I'm not going to be able to do that, so I'm just going to have to be content to lynch scum.
If we get hit by an extra KP it's not the worst thing to happen especially since we're ACTUALLY hitting scum this game, especially if it means we'll have an easier time solving the game later on. There are also NKs tonight, don't forget, and at this point I would think scum don't actually want to hit each other---but since they don't even know the other team, they may not be able to avoid it and some of that paranoia may be solved inadvertently.
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On October 06 2013 00:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 18:01 Chairman Ray wrote:
Oh, only 11 hours left. I definitely won't be here tomorrow for endgame, so I'm gonna stay up late tonight to try to catch up.
I've lightly skimmed through posts so far, and I take it that Koshi is winning votes because of RNG? Filtering through his posts, it's pretty clear that he's aggravated by this decision by town. I'm gonna put myself in his shoes for a sec. If I was town, and everyone was gonna RNG lynch me, then I would just be like wtf... I definitely wouldn't be angry since it's not due to my own lack of skill or other people's misreads, but sheer luck instead. Once I flip town, then the townies will just feel really stupid for doing it and I'd be okay with that. Now what if I was in Koshi's shoes and I was mafia? I would probably be a bit aggravated to push town off me, and if I flip red, then people will probably celebrate at my expense. But the thing is that I am not Koshi, so I don't share his feelings or thought process, so this read might be off. To people that have played with Koshi before, would you expect this kind of behavior from town or mafia Koshi? I definitely think that by his behavior, he is more likely mafia.
Another thing that's consistent with Koshi being mafia is that there are others trying to save him. If Koshi were town, then it could be possible that there is no effort to save him, light effort to save him, or heavy effort to save him. Anything is possible. If Koshi were mafia, I would bet that his mafia buddies wouldn't give up on him so easily, especially on D1. Since the RNG thing is so stupid, then his mafia buddies could easily make a case for it and not seem scummy in the process. So if Koshi were mafia, I would bet that there is some heavy effort to save him. Right now, we do see some heavy effort, in the form of the yamato train. Although this could happen if Koshi was either town or mafia, I suspect it is more likely if he were mafia.
Because of these reasons, I think there's a good chance that Koshi is actually scum, and we got really lucky with the RNG.
Just for now
##Vote: Koshi
I will be up for a bit more reading through posts. I would like to think about it a bit more before leaving for the night with a read that came from RNG. Problem with the bolded: Invalidates his entire paragraph because 'he is not Koshi'. Preparing for a townflip (or, scum that isn't his team flip) Next post: wtf? This made me LOL: Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:35 Chairman Ray wrote:Hey I'm back now, and I did a quick read through the thread. Definitely impressed by all the reads and information people have been giving. You guys are definitely carrying me here  . Anyways, my personal opinion, I think it's best to go after people that have a possibility to be on a scumteam with SnB. If we can get rid of one scumteam, then the KP goes down. Reading through the filters, I think the strongest disconnect with SnB is probably Palmer. For this reason, even though Palmer might be a good lynch candidate, I wouldn't vote him myself just because I want to get rid of SnB's scumteam first. After a quick analysis, I don't think that there's much of a chance that VA and FT are on the same scumteam, and Palmer and FT are on the same scumteam either. There's a weak disconnect between VA and palmer, but that can go either way. So using the four people - VA, SnB, FT, and Palm, I will try to see if I can map out their alliance. Scenario A Scumteam: SnB, VA FT and Palmer cannot occupy third spot, and they are also disconnected, so one must be other scumteam, one must be town Scenario B Scumteam: SnB, FT VA and Palmer cannot occupy third spot. They can both be other scumteam, or one of the is scum, one is town. Among the three people VA, FT, and Palmer, here's the information that we will get from lynching them: VA - If he flips scum with SnB, then either FT or Palmer must be town. If he flips opposite scum, then FT is likely scum, or else both FT and Palmer are town. If he flips town, then FT and Palmer can be scum on opposite teams, or one is scum, one is town. FT - If he flips scum with SnB, then out of VA and palmer, one or both is on the other scumteam. If he flips other scumteam, then, Palmer is town, and VA is can either be town or scum with SnB, more likely scum with SnB. If he flips town, then we don't know much about Palmer and VA. Palmer - I don't want to lynch him, but if he flips other scumteam, then it doesn't say much about VA and FT, and if he flips town, it doesn't say much either. There's also solstice, which some people are pushing to vote. I think the only disconnect that can even be drawn with him is with Palmer, but it's not a very strong one. I also doubt he's gonna be lynched today, so there isn't much of a point trying to piece him in. I will do that tomorrow.
Right now, I think I'm gonna put my vote on FT since there isn't that big a benefit lynching VA over him, and plus, I wanna save Palmer.##Vote: FirmTofu Scum with Palmsy?? LOL! He votes Vayne / FT multiple times but never Palmar in any case ever in life. CR's posts are really constructed and fluent... kind of like town -should- be playing but don't.. kind of reeks of 'i wanna look townie'.... Have a few reservations, but def not a townread anymore.
Cheese.
You blatantly states 'I wanna save Palmar.'
Do you think a member for the Palmar/SnB scumteam would announce that to the thread?
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EBWOP
You = He blatantly states
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Yeah.
I won't be using my vest on the off chance scum want to make tomorrow easier for you.
It would certainly speak to you of their confidence level if so.
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I'll only take that as half a threat, since you didn't say 'you'd better find scum.'
Even though I have, and it's Oats.
There should be no question at all about it with him, honestly. What are your thoughts regarding him?
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Cheese answer my questionssssssss
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On October 06 2013 00:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame.
You were just IN NOIRE, CHeese.
That's EXACTLY what people said about CR to get him mislynched D1.
That's a big pile of horseshit Cheese, and I don't like it.
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On October 06 2013 00:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wave direct me to these questions -.- I have like one hour at the computer every 2 days. It's nice to be able to filter
Comment on this post please?
On October 05 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
WoS is looking townier by the minute folks. Calling me town at a time nobody else did 'cause I was bein' all ragey. Did I ever bring this up? I remember noticing it before but I guess I didn't find it important. Cheese if you read this, why did you give this read? Show nested quote +On October 03 2013 06:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oats is sitting on the sidelines jabbing at people but never pushing lynches. Confirming himself town for predicting a town flip is also BS, but probably sarcasm. This was a post I liked of his. Could mean they're opposite scumteams? lol I dunno there's not a great deal to go on in his filter---early game he pushes hiro and has the same suspicions as basically everyone regarding FT/SP pretty much. What bothers me a little is how he essentially mirrors a lot of my thoughts this game (aside from hiro)----and the reasons he gives are mirrors of mine only given earlier for each one---FT, Oats....I don't know. I don't see anything in his filter that makes me think scum, but nothing overly townie either. Null.
Austin also commented regarding solstice's suspicion of you....I kinda find that in and of itself suspicious.
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On October 06 2013 00:32 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 23:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 27 2013 22:55 Koshi wrote:
Again not on me? What is dis world I live in? You are not enought town to be town with VE and Oats. You are lesser town, get it? :p What have I done to be granted town? Thats cool and all, but I have done nothing. This post makes me think Oats makes me feel pretty good about Oats, but it's isolated...a deserted island in a vast sea of Null.
Read his filter as a whole VE, and ask yourself what he has done this game.
lol even recently he tried to piggyback off solstice's suspicion of Cheese, asked a few questions and fucked off again when they went nowhere.
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On October 06 2013 00:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 06 2013 00:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame. You were just IN NOIRE, CHeese. That's EXACTLY what people said about CR to get him mislynched D1. That's a big pile of horseshit Cheese, and I don't like it. Dude that was like TWO WEEKS ago. Why aren't you AT LEAST skeptical about CR? That's a big ass filter of im-not-sure about him that I'm worried about after we lynch Oats.
You said it yourself, he's a newbie. Newbies are often afraid to flat out take stances because they're worried about how they look even as town. I know I was in my first few games until I learned that townies shouldn't care about that.
I don't believe he scumslipped either. He's new, not stupid.
I'm certainly not happy with his posting level though and I really want him to come back and actually engage the thread because like you said, the 'confirmed town' pool and flipped player pool means the unconfirmed pool gets smaller....
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On October 06 2013 00:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:28 Koshi wrote:
I am going to have to buss today and die tomorrow... Give me 3 targets please.
Oats
Pandain
s0lstice
? oats/solstice/va/cheese Somewhere in there imo
Waitwat
VA and not me?
Don't you have town on VA?
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So CC, do you think your self-applied heuristic applies this game?
Would you consider yourself protown this game or not?
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On October 06 2013 00:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 06 2013 00:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On October 06 2013 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 06 2013 00:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody has even talked about Chairman Ray this game. Talk about him.
I don't think an experienced player would say " I wanna save Palmar " if he's on his team. CR is a noob. Akin to a scumslip perhaps. I just feel his posting in general is constructed like I played my first scumgame. You were just IN NOIRE, CHeese. That's EXACTLY what people said about CR to get him mislynched D1. That's a big pile of horseshit Cheese, and I don't like it. Dude that was like TWO WEEKS ago. Why aren't you AT LEAST skeptical about CR? That's a big ass filter of im-not-sure about him that I'm worried about after we lynch Oats. You said it yourself, he's a newbie. Newbies are often afraid to flat out take stances because they're worried about how they look even as town. I know I was in my first few games until I learned that townies shouldn't care about that. I don't believe he scumslipped either. He's new, not stupid. I'm certainly not happy with his posting level though and I really want him to come back and actually engage the thread because like you said, the 'confirmed town' pool and flipped player pool means the unconfirmed pool gets smaller.... That's my point. His posts certainly smell fishy. Not a good lynch just yet, but we HAVE to be skeptical of him going further into the game. If he's left at a 2 town 1 scum lylo situation I'm going to pull my hair out---especially if I'm one of those town and I have to decide between CR and some other guy.
Well I feel better about him than I do about some of the active posters atm.
Austin paranoia is out in full force.
Still not a huge fan of Pandain/VA and I don't know what's going on there.
I'm not particularly happy with Rayn not doing a whole lot this game, confirmed town or not.
Oats obv.
Don't think I'd lynch into anyone else tomorrow.
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On October 06 2013 00:42 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Ugh if there are two KP tonight that brings us to 5tv4s Those are still long odds. and that is why everyone and their dad should vest today
Are you sure?
Mislynch targets are inherently more difficult to find if scum off some people----I guess it's a tradeoff.
VA you think even I should use mine?
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On October 06 2013 00:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 00:40 WaveofShadow wrote:So CC, do you think your self-applied heuristic applies this game? Would you consider yourself protown this game or not? My sig says I'm not protown as town. A history on that statement: Essentially, it just means that I'm often wrong as town, and/or lurk a lot. Although I've been right in some games. I don't want to KEEP being 'not protown' as town. I'd like to keep being decent as scum, of course. Been trying to work on being more 'protown as town' but in noire I just got yelled at for lynching my top scumread grrr. Since this game started I've tried to consolidate my thoughts so I don't take up 20 filter pages (because I HATE reading peoples filters that are long like that). If my filter is smaller people can read me easier. Because I read my role PM I'm protown. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.
As far as I can remember you actually played decently in Noire I think...? I dunno I was pretty far removed by the time it ended.
Cheese who is 3rd member of the bangers?
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On October 06 2013 01:09 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2013 01:01 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 06 2013 00:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Final thought; S0lstice talking about mafia teams getting in contact with each other. Suspect as fuck. pandain did the same thing with palmar. How unlikely do you guys think a pandain/austin/s0lstice team is? Only reason im iffy is because that involves 2 replacements, which kinda messes with you. I hate replacements. My view on that scumteam is understandably biased but: You're suggesting a scumteam of which 2 members pushed hard AGAINST a FT lynch yesterday. You're suggesting a scumteam of which 1 member attempted to push the lynch specifically onto scum You're suggesting that all but 1 of you/wos/oats/CR/cheesecake is town Narp.
Yeah I wouldn't be so quick to narp.
I KNOW one of those 5 is town, and I strongly suspect two more of them are. If Vayne is also town where does that put the final scum members if only Oats is scum on that list?
As far as pushing goes, hey remember when we said the scumtams probably wouldn't be bussing this game? (Or at least I thought so?)
That's been proven wrong.
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