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On September 27 2013 12:49 yamato77 wrote:
1) Palmar is exceedingly good as town on D1. Like, really good. Lynches scum a lot. If he and I are town together, we can find a mafia.
2) Random lynching isn't just bad because town could do better, it's also bad because it essentially wastes 48 hours of town's time on a lynch that no one had to take any stance on or push, and gives no valuable leads like vote counts, vote posts, and vote reasonings.
Even if we lynch scum with this method, it means very little. Even if we lynch town on a normal day 1 lynch, it can mean a lot. There's no reason to random lynch, even if statistics is in favor. It's a pro-mafia move. That's why I've been shitting on the idea since the game started and why my vote sits on grack, yet now I see you espousing the same sentiment?
I'm willing to excuse this on the fact that you're butthurt because you've played in a string of bad towns, but seriously, this is shit that should be policy lynched. You've lost anything you gained by being suspicious of grack by echoing the same stupid sentiment.
No, there is a difference here, yamato. Sure, butthurt may be a part of it, but despite all the fucking information in the world we may or may not gain on D1, it's not going to fucking help us win. Lynching scum will, and I don't trust the shithole that is TL towns to get it done. You're welcome to vote for me as well if you think I should be policy lynched for supporting it. Hell Oats, quality player #1 is already doing it! He's totally found scum!
And as far as your point about wasting 48 hours goes, how is a theoretically town Mocsta pulling a boneheaded move like he dead yesterday any different? Can I trust this town not to do something equally stupid?
Vote counts/posts/reasoning will still happen because people like you will not support the idea, and once again, even if NOBODY supported RNG, towns are too fucking dumb most of the time to take advantage of it this early anyway.
I don't plan on wasting 48 hours. I will hunt scum, but I will still support an RNG lynch. If RNG lynch does not gain enough support to go through, then I will vote for who I think is scummiest as normal. I'm not sure why you would think that support of RNG means that a whole day is wasted---it's not like RNG again is a good idea if it works the first day so scumhunting will had to have happened to continue to lynch scum anyway. My mind will not be changed on this. Thinking this somehow removes my voice or makes me irrelevant is ridiculous.
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On September 27 2013 12:52 hiro protagonist wrote:
WoS, why bring up a "man, town sucks" tone into a game that so far has not gone south?
Because it will. It always does.
Noire broke my heart. I tried so fucking hard that game for as long as I was in it and they are shitting the goddamn fucking bed over and over.
Ignore it if you want to, analyze me for it if you want to. I'm obviously still playing the game as I am supposed to.
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On September 27 2013 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I keep picking on Grack but all I remember is hating his posting as I was catching up: On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
(Not intended to be insulting but instructive)
Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1
FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1.
This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching. This is just flat out wrong. You have no what faction pushed CR's lynch in Noire, and therefore you cannot be sure that's what scum will do. I was basically pushing FT's lynch (since I didn't want CR lynched) in Noire D1 but I flipped town. Most of the time, D1 lynches are an absolute crapshoot, and/or between two townies so scum can just rest on their laurels. One weird thing I picked up on, how often do townies feel bad about pushing their scum reads?
One weird thing I picked up on, you attempt to shit on my post and nitpick without commenting on the meat of it.
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On September 27 2013 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:02 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 27 2013 12:55 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Man I keep picking on Grack but all I remember is hating his posting as I was catching up: On September 27 2013 08:05 Grackaroni wrote:
(Not intended to be insulting but instructive)
Chairman Ray has been mislynched twice in a row as town day1
FirmTofu as well has had the lynch pushed on to him several times as town day 1.
This is what mafia are comfortable doing, not random lynching. This is just flat out wrong. You have no what faction pushed CR's lynch in Noire, and therefore you cannot be sure that's what scum will do. I was basically pushing FT's lynch (since I didn't want CR lynched) in Noire D1 but I flipped town. Most of the time, D1 lynches are an absolute crapshoot, and/or between two townies so scum can just rest on their laurels. One weird thing I picked up on, how often do townies feel bad about pushing their scum reads? One weird thing I picked up on, you attempt to shit on my post and nitpick without commenting on the meat of it. I didn't really care to comment on the meat of it. Scum probably had some influence in the lynch and if they did not then they easily could have if one of their own came under pressure. You weren't apologetic at all when you were pushing me last game. It seems like a scum mindset, wow everyone's jumping on Grack but it's just so easy....
Everyone?
I count Palmar and me. I also haven't called you scum.
I'm surprised you didn't pick that out as well.
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My best read?
What did I read you as, Grack?
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On September 27 2013 13:10 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
My best read?
What did I read you as, Grack?
I was flat out wrong, making easy reads, not taking stances, lying. Seems like you were leaning towards me being scum.
I tend not to have strong scumreads D1. Especially given the fact that what I thought was you lying about trolling essentially wasn't, I don't have much of a read on you anymore at all.
Hey Oats, go lose a game for town @LYLO.
I'll do what I want when I want to do it.
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On September 27 2013 13:21 hiro protagonist wrote:
WoS, If you wanna vent a bit, fine. But Im not gonna let how you feel be a vail for you to slack off and hide. Your opening post was a good start, why dont you do more of that. If your attitude starts to mess with town atmosphere, Im gonna call you on it.
Slacking off and hiding?
Clearly two appropriate verbs for my activity thus far.
I do appreciate your point regarding messing with town atmosphere though, so I will tone that town.
Random Q: what's the deal with you existing and HiroPro existing? How dat happen?
Other random Q: I know it's only 8h into the game but where is the other half of the fucking player list?
Third random Q: BH I want to talk with you. Where you at? Were you being serious regarding the RNG earlier?
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On September 27 2013 13:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:23 hiro protagonist wrote:
Oats, your not helping.
Sense I answered your question, would you care to give me your thoughts on Yamato and BH? If WoS gets to insult me, I get to call him out on it. I think yamato's hardheadness and seriousness makes him towny, but there are some things that seem weird to me. BH has been completely useless so null. Whats your read on Palmar? I think he's town myself but he hasnt done much besides joke around and promote RNG.
Are you reading?
Where did Palmar promote RNG?
And what seems weird about yamato?
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On September 27 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Actually Palmar is even more useless than I thought. And Yamato too dick to be scum. Ok. Whos scum WoS?
No idea yet.
Would you really call that one post by Palmar 'promoting' RNG lynch though? Especially since he is pushing Grack who is the primary proponent of RNG this game so far.
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On September 27 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 27 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 05:33 Palmar wrote:
i'm always up for random lynching Actually Palmar is even more useless than I thought. And Yamato too dick to be scum. Ok. Whos scum WoS? No idea yet. Would you really call that one post by Palmar 'promoting' RNG lynch though? Especially since he is pushing Grack who is the primary proponent of RNG this game so far. Are you really going to push me off word choice? Anyway, other people where using the reasoning that Palmar is ok with it to push it. Somewhere. So thats promoting totally.
Maybe I can understand Grack thinking I was pushing him.
How the fuck do YOU get that over a few measly questions?
Should I start pushing you now for going on the defensive over nothing?
Who said RNG is ok because Palmar said so? Especially since that Palmar post was clearly him trolling.
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On September 27 2013 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 27 2013 13:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 27 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 05:33 Palmar wrote:
i'm always up for random lynching Actually Palmar is even more useless than I thought. And Yamato too dick to be scum. Ok. Whos scum WoS? No idea yet. Would you really call that one post by Palmar 'promoting' RNG lynch though? Especially since he is pushing Grack who is the primary proponent of RNG this game so far. Are you really going to push me off word choice? Anyway, other people where using the reasoning that Palmar is ok with it to push it. Somewhere. So thats promoting totally. Maybe I can understand Grack thinking I was pushing him. How the fuck do YOU get that over a few measly questions? Should I start pushing you now for going on the defensive over nothing? Who said RNG is ok because Palmar said so? Especially since that Palmar post was clearly him trolling. Oh im sorry, which word should I use instead of pushing? Its somewhere in the previous 20 pages. I dont think Palmar was trolling, I think he is really ok with Random Lynching. What makes you think otherwise?
On September 27 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 05:33 Palmar wrote:
i'm always up for random lynching Actually Palmar is even more useless than I thought. And Yamato too dick to be scum. Ok. Whos scum WoS? No idea yet. Would you really call that one post by Palmar 'promoting' RNG lynch though? Especially since he is pushing Grack who is the primary proponent of RNG this game so far.
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Everybody thinks he is pro random lynch from one trolly post? Alright well either I'm right and he's not, or I'm wrong and he'll support RNG (which I want). Win-win I guess.
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You know, a policy lynch of Vayne OR RNG scumlynch would be a D1 victory for me at this point.
Vayne, I think I'll gun for you D1 in every game.
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Apparently I'm being a dick in other threads now too.
I think it's time to go to bed.
Fresh head in the morning.
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Koshi town, Oats probs town, Palmar probs town. In that order from towniest towards null.
Continuing reads.
The issue I'm having with my usual townreads D1 is that I'm not sure what effect having two competing scumteams has on how scum will usually act. Their goal is not the same as usual so I'm not sure my usual reads work. I don't know how useful I'm going to be this game in comparison to my last. At the very least you will know that I am town, if you are not currently already sure.
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On September 28 2013 00:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There is no reason for a townie to shit over the town in the beginning of the game and eclare the game is basically lost. There is zero town motivation in that. If you can give me one good reason why promoting badtown atmosphere is townie then i will reconsider my vote.
I don't want you to reconsider your vote. In fact I agree WoS's entry post was absolutely awful. I'm not questioning whether or not you're right, I'm questioning your motivation and methods. I'm not trying to go after WoS right now, I'm trying to determine your alignment. So no, I'm not not going to give you good reasons for being awful, because there aren't any. What you have to demonstrate is why this suspicion should be considered over other people who've been mentioned as possible lynch candidates. It very well could be, I haven't paid much attention to WoS, and there's actually a great benefit of putting WoS under massive pressure, given what I know about his playstyle.
Continuing read.
This post is pretty cute.
Palmar you think you may know what this is going to do, but you don't.
It's been a while since you've played with me, babe. I actually get reads right these days. Games are won because of me now, rather than in spite of me.
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On September 27 2013 23:45 Koshi wrote:
Well, somewhat ignoring the whole townread thing but I like the vote on WoS. Like I said, the emo stuff makes me want to vote him as wel because he tries to mindfuck us not voting him.
Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this?
I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?'
Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it?
Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum.
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On September 28 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Someone streams rolling a dice with our posts in the background.
Like.
1) sets up stream, table and screen where we can see.
2) When he sees a post that says ROLL, he rolls.
3) whoever gets chosen gets lynched.
EZ. PZ.
I can do this theoretically, but I'm not sure if I'd be around at deadline.
Fuck that's actually a great idea and I would totally do this but I doubt I'll be around at deadline, especially on weekends.
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Yeah Vayne cares about his scumgame way more than his towngame.
I feel really good about VA lynch today.
At worst, policy 'cuz I don't like his play in most games, and at best, scum.
Win-win.
GOGO VOTE VA
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On September 28 2013 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 27 2013 23:45 Koshi wrote:
Well, somewhat ignoring the whole townread thing but I like the vote on WoS. Like I said, the emo stuff makes me want to vote him as wel because he tries to mindfuck us not voting him. Koshi can you show me where I specifically did this? I assume you're taking my calling town shit as 'town is shit if they lynch me cuz town always lynch town D1 and they bad lololol?' Where did I ever talk about myself getting lynched? Does my posting somehow belie that I am worried about it? Like....the first post where you brought up feeling bad about me made me think you were town but this one has me stumped. Again I'm inclined to think town because this is just such a convoluted way of thinking to come from scum. So why did you shit over the town in the first place?
Because fuck town
Think I made that pretty clear.
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