I would be more certain Rayn is scum if he posted more. I am quite concerned because in other games I see him lurking and he turns out to be scum, although I know he can also spam as scum. But he's never a lurker town in any completed games so far.

It's not like Rayn tot not be the ones deciding things for the thread. His posts alone are good, however.

I have a null read.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

October 04 2013 12:45 GMT

#2829

No rayn is town. But he needs to post more.

rayn we love you. Please please sovle this game. We follow you!

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 12:49 GMT

#2830

VE, you, and Ray are 100% town in my eyes, with WoS being 90% scum with the extreme caveat that if FT is town and Vayne scum he might be then scum. WoS isn't certain yet as some of his actions have been anti-town and not justified, and I'm only staved off on that by the fact townies can be dumb.

FT is town and I'm slightly concerned you are voting him over Palmar despite having a better read on Palmar. I assume it's because you're following WoS and VE who you think are town?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 12:49 GMT

#2831

Woops WoS is 90% town

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

October 04 2013 12:51 GMT

#2832

Wtf Pandain? Arent you pushing VA scum and FT town?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 12:52 GMT

#2833

Yeah, want to join the wagon of justice?

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 12:52 GMT

#2834

And way to ignore Koshi in his time of need

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

October 04 2013 12:54 GMT

#2835

with WoS being 90% scum with the extreme caveat that if FT is town and Vayne scum he might be then scum.

Why is it extreme?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

October 04 2013 12:56 GMT

#2836

dumdumdum

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

October 04 2013 12:57 GMT

#2837

^ special effects

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 12:59 GMT

#2838

On October 04 2013 21:54 Oatsmaster wrote:

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Why is it extreme?

Because I have presented very logically why WoS's arguments that FT are scum are flawed and he refuses to engage me. Furthermore, he had Vayne as a scum read yet refuses to even consider voting Vayne for some reason and I got the impression that he would not vote Vayne short of Vayne claiming scum in thread.

Koshi, you say that even if FT is town we should get rid of him and policy ban him in all games. But doesn't the same hold true for Vayne, and even more so since usually he contributes far more then he has? Look at his filter and tell me contributions about people that he pushes, not just night actions. They don't exist. Town Vayne at least has that.

Furthermore on the basis of a policy lynch Vayne is good enough for his "I don't try to find scum, just not to get lynched" philosophy which is inherently counterproductive.

Also if you believe in voting FT due to your town reads, and you now have a town read on me and should on Ray, then why not vote Vayne who I think I've logically presented is probably scum.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 13:00 GMT

#2839

On October 04 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:

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Here are the reasons I think are the strongest:

Role speculation
Weak votes on Grack and me/Palmar which he never followed up on
Non-existent contribution

Here are reasons I think can be considered as indicative

Weak weak vote on FT despite considering Palmar before and a weak non-existent leak to FT
If he does play like this as town, we can't let this sort of play be tolerated as it's exactly like mafia play.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 13:01 GMT

#2840

This isn't just town vayne lurking while still giving feedback; it's scum vayne lurking while appearing to give feedback which is useless.

Shit votes which aren't like him and no pushing, which again contradicts that he's trying to find scum if he won't even push his three scum reads.