I don't know I think it's a bit suspicious he put so much effort into it when a good player like him could just ignore a bad argument.

Like why is he appeasing to Koshi when he knows it doesn't matter at that moment?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 04:30 GMT

#2783

On October 04 2013 13:27 Pandain wrote:
WoS I know you're reading this and want to lynch VA.

I know you do

You'd be right.
But if you're really complaining about who has contributed more or less this game, Vayne has long since pulled ahead of FT.
The question is, which of us is more stubborn?

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 04 2013 04:30 GMT

#2784

Because if Koshi is town scum aren't going to shoot him. Koshi may decide the fate of the game at LYLO. Consider that.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:32 GMT

#2785

On October 04 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

Show nested quote +

You'd be right.
But if you're really complaining about who has contributed more or less this game, Vayne has long since pulled ahead of FT.
The question is, which of us is more stubborn?

Has he though?

He's been defending himself, yes, but FT's posts by far have actually contributed more thought. FT brought new thought about CR and Shiaopai while Vayne has speculated about blue roles and defended himself.

Firm Tofu's filter
VayneAuthority's filter

Firm doesn't spam, Vayne has and hasn't done shit.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:33 GMT

#2786

On October 04 2013 13:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because if Koshi is town scum aren't going to shoot him. Koshi may decide the fate of the game at LYLO. Consider that.

But you can address that later.

I suppose though it's more up to personal preference proving yourself town now or later. I for instance never address people who think I'm scum unless I'm about to get lynched because it just pro-longs the wrong discussion.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 04 2013 04:35 GMT

#2787

I try not to but people just think that's more scummy lmao

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 04:36 GMT

#2788

Pandain, it's time to give up on me.
If I do change my vote (hint: not likely) it won't be because of anything you said.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:38 GMT

#2789

I'm not going to give up on you.

I believe. You know Ray and I are town. You think Vayne is scum anyway.

Is the core of why you won't change really because a townie is resisting you? Because I've addressed your other arguments and if you won't engage in discussion then why are you playing mafia.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:38 GMT

#2790

At least switch to Palmar

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:41 GMT

#2791

On October 04 2013 13:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pandain, it's time to give up on me.
If I do change my vote (hint: not likely) it won't be because of anything you said.

Actually I think this is super weak.

What do you mean it won't be because of something I said?

I'm literally addressing all your points and you won't change?

I'm thinking that's scummy

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 04:41 GMT

#2792

Pandain.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:42 GMT

#2793

Maybe just ignore me and go to sleep, but continue to acknowledge me?
That sounds like you are forced to acknowledge me or face guilt in face of others

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 04:44 GMT

#2794

Ignore the small text.
Read the big text.

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:47 GMT

#2795

your lucky i think your town

Pandain

United States12989 Posts

October 04 2013 04:49 GMT

#2796

I will stop and quote this for others:

On October 04 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:

Show nested quote +

Here are the reasons I think are the strongest:

Role speculation
Weak votes on Grack and me/Palmar which he never followed up on
Non-existent contribution

Here are reasons I think can be considered as indicative

Weak weak vote on FT despite considering Palmar before and a weak non-existent leak to FT
If he does play like this as town, we can't let this sort of play be tolerated as it's exactly like mafia play.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 04:50 GMT

#2797

On October 04 2013 13:47 Pandain wrote:
your lucky i think your town

You think my town what?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 04 2013 04:51 GMT

#2798

lol sorry I couldn't resist.
But yeah I'm done for now.
I'll be back during the day and maybe/probably around for deadline as well with relevant stuff to say and whatnot.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

October 04 2013 04:58 GMT

#2799

Vayne is town though.
FT might be.

And I think Pandain would be super scummy for pushing Vayne but hes not super scummy.

Game is hard.

VisceraEyes

United States21170 Posts

October 04 2013 05:07 GMT

#2800

The thing I think I dislike the most about Wave's refusal to even discuss Vayne is that you genuinely think Vayne is scum right? Earlier he was advocating policy lynching him just to get rid of him whether he's scum or town. Which, if you look at that from the perspective of "he's not going to help me win regardless of his alignment" then fine. Policy lynch away if that's your thing right? But you're like CONVINCED he's scum. And now that he's got another target in mind, he's not even willing to discuss Vayne as possible mafia. That's just an extremely anti-town sentiment..."now you're stuck with him out of spite because I didn't get my way earlier"

That makes me think that earlier he wasn't interested in town winning at all. He just wanted to lynch Vayne because that would be an easy target to policy lynch given his history.