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On October 04 2013 08:39 Pandain wrote:
I had a town read on VE through his posts.
I can't believe austin you still don't see how scummy Vayne has been with absolutely shit votes with no follow-up, huge set-up speculation which honestly can't be done unless you have inside knowledge, backtracks, no actual content despite 8 fucking pages of filter , and the such.
How can you think he's objectively a better lynch then a Palmar who honestly I think might just be retarded.
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First I'm clearly town because if you think I've put this effort into defending someone so hardcore as mafia then you uh are bad. I'm literally going ham.
VA is more likely to be scum then FT definitely , solstice by a bit and Palmar is more of an afk issue I think as if he was here posting we wouldn't even be considering him.
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On October 04 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nono, not filter you because I think you're scum - filter you so I can get the gist of what you're saying about Vayne...because it has to be more than "he hasn't contributed shit" because you've spoken a lot on the matter if I recall correctly. So I wanna see what it is.
Here are the reasons I think are the strongest:
- Role speculation
- Weak votes on Grack and me/Palmar which he never followed up on
- Non-existent contribution
Here are reasons I think can be considered as indicative
- Weak weak vote on FT despite considering Palmar before and a weak non-existent leak to FT
- If he does play like this as town, we can't let this sort of play be tolerated as it's exactly like mafia play.
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I'm literally in love with you CR even if I'm wrong
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WoS I know you're reading this and want to lynch VA.
I know you do
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I don't know I think it's a bit suspicious he put so much effort into it when a good player like him could just ignore a bad argument.
Like why is he appeasing to Koshi when he knows it doesn't matter at that moment?
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On October 04 2013 13:30 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:27 Pandain wrote:
WoS I know you're reading this and want to lynch VA.
I know you do You'd be right. But if you're really complaining about who has contributed more or less this game, Vayne has long since pulled ahead of FT. The question is, which of us is more stubborn?
Has he though?
He's been defending himself, yes, but FT's posts by far have actually contributed more thought. FT brought new thought about CR and Shiaopai while Vayne has speculated about blue roles and defended himself.
Firm Tofu's filter
VayneAuthority's filter
Firm doesn't spam, Vayne has and hasn't done shit.
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On October 04 2013 13:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because if Koshi is town scum aren't going to shoot him. Koshi may decide the fate of the game at LYLO. Consider that.
But you can address that later.
I suppose though it's more up to personal preference proving yourself town now or later. I for instance never address people who think I'm scum unless I'm about to get lynched because it just pro-longs the wrong discussion.
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I'm not going to give up on you.
I believe. You know Ray and I are town. You think Vayne is scum anyway.
Is the core of why you won't change really because a townie is resisting you? Because I've addressed your other arguments and if you won't engage in discussion then why are you playing mafia.
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At least switch to Palmar
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On October 04 2013 13:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Pandain, it's time to give up on me.
If I do change my vote (hint: not likely) it won't be because of anything you said.
Actually I think this is super weak.
What do you mean it won't be because of something I said?
I'm literally addressing all your points and you won't change?
I'm thinking that's scummy
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Maybe just ignore me and go to sleep, but continue to acknowledge me?
That sounds like you are forced to acknowledge me or face guilt in face of others
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your lucky i think your town
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I will stop and quote this for others:
On October 04 2013 13:18 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:14 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nono, not filter you because I think you're scum - filter you so I can get the gist of what you're saying about Vayne...because it has to be more than "he hasn't contributed shit" because you've spoken a lot on the matter if I recall correctly. So I wanna see what it is. Here are the reasons I think are the strongest: - Role speculation
- Weak votes on Grack and me/Palmar which he never followed up on
- Non-existent contribution
Here are reasons I think can be considered as indicative - Weak weak vote on FT despite considering Palmar before and a weak non-existent leak to FT
- If he does play like this as town, we can't let this sort of play be tolerated as it's exactly like mafia play.
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On October 04 2013 14:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
The thing I think I dislike the most about Wave's refusal to even discuss Vayne is that you genuinely think Vayne is scum right? Earlier he was advocating policy lynching him just to get rid of him whether he's scum or town. Which, if you look at that from the perspective of "he's not going to help me win regardless of his alignment" then fine. Policy lynch away if that's your thing right? But you're like CONVINCED he's scum. And now that he's got another target in mind, he's not even willing to discuss Vayne as possible mafia. That's just an extremely anti-town sentiment..."now you're stuck with him out of spite because I didn't get my way earlier"
That makes me think that earlier he wasn't interested in town winning at all. He just wanted to lynch Vayne because that would be an easy target to policy lynch given his history.
I think it's something we'll have to see. I read his filter yesterday and he was quite upset about FT not being lynched, so it makes sense that he wants FT lynched today. I'm really disturbed however he won't even debate me about FT after all I did, like I know he's tunneled because FT didn't get lynched yesterday, but I think I've been bringing up good reasons as to why FT is town, and shutting down his misconceptions such as that Vayne has contributed more.
If FT flips town and Vayne scum, it's very heavy possibility that WoS is scum. I won't say he's scum yet, however, because of unflipped associations being bad because I'm often wrong.
I'm glad we're on the same page this game despite last game's problems, I'm happy to be collaboratively working.
On October 04 2013 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vayne is town though.
FT might be.
And I think Pandain would be super scummy for pushing Vayne but hes not super scummy.
Game is hard.
Why are you voting FT if you think he might be town and why do you think Vayne is town.
Why not at least vote Palmar?
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Oats I'm noting a lot of contradictions in your play
On October 03 2013 13:45 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 28 2013 00:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On September 28 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 28 2013 00:42 VayneAuthority wrote:
Koshi, meta is never a good reason to vote for anyone, hence why im not voting for yamato. But you have to admit his play looks surprisingly similar. I'm not too worried because if he's scum he will mess up later. don't see a point in lynching yamato day 1. Meta is an extremely good reason to vote for someone. Why dont you think so? On September 27 2013 13:34 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 27 2013 05:33 Palmar wrote:
i'm always up for random lynching Actually Palmar is even more useless than I thought. And Yamato too dick to be scum. Ok. Whos scum WoS? Would you think it would be fun if people meta'ed me when I don't really have a certain playstyle? So I don't hold people to some extra standards. I just look for motivation behind scum driven agenda. Even lying isn't really a big deal to me, that annoys me when people think lying = scum Dont you agree that people play certain ways as scum and different ways as town? You arent 'everyone'. VE, doesnt matter, got whiteknighted. Why do I have a feeling that Yamato is gonna flip town guys Needs to explain Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 00:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Someone streams rolling a dice with our posts in the background.
Like.
1) sets up stream, table and screen where we can see.
2) When he sees a post that says ROLL, he rolls.
3) whoever gets chosen gets lynched.
EZ. PZ. Despite clearly advocating against RNG Clearly anti town I could lynch him.
Can you also explain this?
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I think the second is suspicious because you said that RNG lynches are bad, so why are you helping an RNG lynch happen.
Also if you think someone is cop, why in the world would you tell the thread?
And you just said FT might be town, don't you want to find someone better?
Also why don't you want to lynch Vayne or Palmar. Especially Palmar.
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Why do you think Vayne and Palmar are town
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On October 04 2013 16:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ya I'm not having a particular problem with VA's play guys I'm gonna be honest. +1. I would say I even love it.
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On October 04 2013 13:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2013 13:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Anyway, I'm not super concerned about Vayne. While you haven't viewed his activity as contribution, it looks like he cares about the game enough to comment on it and that's more than some people, myself included for a large portion of it.
That's why I haven't joined you on Vayne. you have contributed far more then he has. He has had two of the weakest ass votes in the history of mankind with two votes on grack which he never pushed and no one else ever voted for him . He was suspicious of me and palmar and didn't do jack shit with it and still doesn't vote palmar
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