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On September 30 2013 23:30 strongandbig wrote:Okay first question. Grack why aren't you voting palmar. I thought you were with me on that. You talked a lot more about him than about the other people you're voting for. Nothing has changed to persuade me that palmar isn't our best lynch. I don't agree with bh's townread on him - anyone can point things out, and I don't get the same "town feeling" from palmar's later posts that bh did. Second point. Between shiaopi and firmtofu I would much rather lynch shiaopi. 1. My personal experience is that shiaopi has done much more in past games to show he can contribute as town. This makes his lack of contribution this game scummier than tofu's. people who host games tend to care more about mafia than people who don't, in general. 2. The way shiaopi joined the koshi lynch. Like I said a while ago, I find this actively scummy. No indication prior to the vote that koshi is a scum read. First one to join the randomly generated lynch train, but distances himself from the whole idea of the random lynch, then doesn't talk about it again. Also this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2013 04:46 ShiaoPi wrote:
I must admit I am fine with yamato getting lynched instead of koshi, so I am just sitting here playing dota When was Yamato his scumread? Why? I see him "in favor of" a Yamato lynch but I see no reasons and no thought process - nothing that can distinguish it from just voting with town sentiment. Tofu, on the other hand, I just see as a mega lurker. He voted koshi for te random lynch and owned up to that, which I find to be a townie action. That said, he did say Show nested quote +On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anyone who supports RNG, myself included, should still scumhunt and make full use of the day. There is still much to say and much to find. Anyone who stops scumhunting should be subject to lynch as well. And then not do it. But I find shiaopi much more likely to flip scum.
So you say you'd rather vote SP over FT---but your second reason essentially puts them equally scummy, and your first reason is useless.
Shiao is capable of playing any way he'd like.
In LXI he lurked and shitposted and was scum.
In I Swear This Is Normal, he was super mega protown, posted a lot and 'scumhunted,' and was scum.
I feel like I played another game with him as well where he was actually town as well but i forget.
in conclusion, your reasons for voting SP over FT are shit---SP could still be scum but you're not going to catch him on weak meta. Vote FT because it's a surer lynch.
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1) Aperture's probably a pretty good example. He didn't do very much.
2) I consider the reasoning you laid out making them equally scummy even though the reasoning is different. FT hasn't done shit even though he himself said that's what people should be doing after agreeing to RNG. Just because he owns up to it doesn't mean he actually followed through.
3) Agreed.
4) I made a case ages ago, plenty of other people have as well, including the confirmed town BH. On top of that I have significant reason to believe his activity this game is particularly indicative of him being scum considering his activity level in Noire in which he narrowly avoided a lynch and due to the threat was seemingly actually forced to post. (not indicative of his alignment in that game specifically, but it just shows when threatened by lynching he will be active----he is not active in this thread because he doesn't feel threatened.)
5) Cause this thread is dead and I'm fucking bored and want my preferred lynch to go through.
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Let me make it clear, I don't mind a SP lynch, but I'm much more sure of FT. They could very well both be scum, in which case great, but I'd rather lynch the scum I am more personally sure is scum.
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WHOA VE IS BACK
I asked you something a while ago, but I forget what it was. Answer it when you come across it or when you're done or whatevs.
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No but guys!
Don't lynch VA!
He's totally a useful contributing member of the game!
And he's also very clearly town!
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On October 01 2013 00:52 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also, WoS reaction to yet another one of my bait posts was horrible and if FT flips town I would strongly look into him
'Baiting.'
K.
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On October 01 2013 01:08 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 01:06 Palmar wrote:On October 01 2013 01:03 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 01 2013 00:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote:grackaroni On October 01 2013 00:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
No but guys!
Don't lynch VA!
He's totally a useful contributing member of the game!
And he's also very clearly town! it's right on the previous page o_O I will say this though, the fighting between FT and shiao does lead me to believe there is probably 1 scum between them, but not both. So carry on with that. "one of my bait posts" sounded like you had done it multiple times. Anyway, I think WoS's reaction is quite appropriate. I think Grack is one of the less likely people in the game to be scum, so I don't see an issue with WoS reacting to you voting him. He was also "one of the least likely people to be scum" in our previous game as scum together. Didn't stop him from being scum. He posts a shit ton and makes long posts either way. I don't really like much of anything he's said this game. If I'm wrong so be it, but I don't think I am.
Doesn't matter much if you think he's scum or not though since apparently you're not willing to do anything about it though aside from vote for him, right?
Also wait a minute....if the vote for grack was genuine, how the fuck can you even say that post was a bait? Just seems tacked on to further either try to get a rise out of me or make an excuse.
I really don't get why people won't listen to me about you. Gonna feel good to be vindicated postgame.
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So here's a question---hopefully I can get some responses to it before I come back later this evening.
If you're not voting for FirmTofu, can you explain why?
Is there anyone who finds him particularly unlikely to flip scum? Because if the answer is 'no' I would expect a lot more votes.
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Please don't ragequit VE.
I feel like the whole forum is breaking down. 
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On October 01 2013 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:Comment on something relevant. My mistakes in other games are not relevant here.
I think I probably have like 5 separate unanswered questions throughout this game. I believe one of them is directed towards you.
I'll be back in 40 min or so. Then we can talk.
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On October 01 2013 10:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
pretty much sums it up...half the game has shown what their views are. Hard to continue the game until the other half starts contributing...just playing dat waiting game.
Need I remind you that you too were lurking until very recently?
Now do you want to 'keep waiting' or do you want to talk?
As is I'm guessing the rest of today is going to be a wash.
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On October 01 2013 10:45 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2013 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 01 2013 10:07 VayneAuthority wrote:
pretty much sums it up...half the game has shown what their views are. Hard to continue the game until the other half starts contributing...just playing dat waiting game. Need I remind you that you too were lurking until very recently? Now do you want to 'keep waiting' or do you want to talk? As is I'm guessing the rest of today is going to be a wash. There's a difference between lurking and what I was complaining about. I have made my stances fairly clear I believe. Besides, I have a 4 page filter which isn't too bad. Hardly lurking. There's not much to say anyway since people just say "bad" or "wrong" whenever I post anything so I'm fine just chillin' until we lose I guess.
I thought that was VE. Never mind. I don't want to talk to you.
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Yeah I'm around now.
Yay VE you answered me.
Um....why out him if you think he's a cop?
Oh and I want to make some snide comment about how that last post at Vayne was really some elaborate bait but meh.
What is there left to do today?
I want to find more scum but....blugh.
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On October 01 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't out shit he's been screaming about it for half of his filter -.-
If he's really a cop scum know it just as well as I do.
I dunno I never pick up on people's bluetells/crumbs n' shit.
Even as scum. Vayne can attest to that.
So has FT's scumteam given up on him?
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On October 01 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:Nope. Can we play now?
Yarp!
Reading your FT thing now.
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On October 01 2013 11:16 austinmcc wrote:I liked him for scum, was planning on pushing, now may watch, unsure. I don't like FT for scum. He first got scrutinized for his early posts: Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:35 FirmTofu wrote:Okay, so my best scum read right now is ShiaoPi. He's been around, but hasn't contributed. His filter is all one liners with basically no substance. Now, I know ShiaoPi is a lot better than how he's playing right now. I want to know why he is playing below is full potential. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=429897&user=ShiaoPi
RNG debate. Statistically, it is a great idea to randomly choose a day one lynch. There are 6 scum between us. 6/20= .3 I don't think the best scumhunters among us can lynch with greater accuracy on Day 1 than 30%. However, I also don't think there is any method by which we can decide a fair way to choose a random kill. We would need an unbiased party to use random.org or something. We don't have any confirmed town, so discussing this topic is pointless. Lynching randomly is impractical and unfeasible. Stop wasting time discussing this pointless topic. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:37 FirmTofu wrote:
##Vote: ShiaoPi
...and I'm off to bed! Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 15:41 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:39 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.
I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet. Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain? We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day. Well I can't just sit here and let you call me scum without giving any reasoning. You can, and you will. I'm going to actually go to bed now. ^_^ Thread wasn't hopping at the point FT dropped these. If FT is scum, he wanted to get active, post something legitimate, and dropped...that set of posts? No. He has no reason to do that as scum - he doesn't need to finger SP, he doesn't need to tell Grack he's not gonna talk about Grack. He doesn't need to take a hard stance and say eff you guys I'm sleeping. If FT is scum, I don't think he makes 1/3 of a case on SP, drops a vote on SP, tells grack he's not chatting, and goes to bed. It's messy, it's not crafted, it's very confident that he can tell Grack to shove off. In an odd way, I viewed the lack of explanation that other people are jumping on as scummy but not anti-town? Like...yes, scum may like dropping votes for no/bad reasons. But townies do it to. And the timing and circumstances of FT's posts here and vote don't strike me as scummy, because scum doesn't have a reason to do this --> add a new candidate, not push that guy, dip from thread (barring scumbuddy being heavily scrutinized at the time, but then I'd expect a real push from FT onto someone else). One of the reasons I liked Koshi for scum was his quick defense of FT on slightly shaky grounds, that FT was a townie trying to make a "splash" - Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:09 Koshi wrote:On September 27 2013 21:03 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2013 20:51 Koshi wrote:
Maybe to put pressure on SP? I don't find it scummy tbh. With limited time he could have voted Grack and then make a case on SP. Or just 1up grack and then make case + vote to give his case more value. If you think someone is scum you don't try to create a new bandwagon. If you another guy has more chance of flipping scum than someone who's already under pressure, you make a case that's you know.. actually a case, to convince people to follow your reasoning. As to your point about putting pressure on SP, do you honestly think that SP feels any kind of pressure from a random vote with no reasons to back it up, from a guy who has no influence on the game so far. Remember FT hasn't done anything to establish himself as a person that demands attention in town. Or are you merely saying FT is stupid and thinks that his vote holds more value than it does? I don't think it is stupid at all. FT also says he will make a case if Grack leads in votes. I am not a fan of people playin this game 1 hour a day but FT made a splash and I dont find that splash scummy. A lot of my D1 notes are just in relation to FT, who attacked him/defended him for what (except not the last chunk of D1, tl;dr). That defense was slightly wonky, in that I didn't think it was much of a splash, and ... there's not much of an explanation here. He doesn't explain the splash, doesn't say WHY he doesn't find the "splash" scummy.
You know, my thoughts earlier today were, 'Let's see if anyone dares to give FT a townread atm when the whole thread is pretty convinced he's scum. If they do dare and seem believable, I'd say likely town---no reason for scum to go balls out and contradict the thread on a sure lynch.'
But then I read this and I thought "Well now that FT is gonna die fo sheez, this could be a pretty decent distancing attempt since it seems as though even FT's own scumteam has likely given up on him."
Good ol' paranoid Wave.
I honestly wonder if FT/Shiao are on different scumteams and each team is pushing the other. The shitty part is we have no way of knowing or proving any of that.
I will debunk your case in a sex.
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CR post is a problem.
Last game was my first exposure to him and it screamed newbie town to me.
Problem is I feel even though he is pretty newbie, he is also well aware of the status he's given himself---it's only a matter of time before he learns to manipulate that as scum.
Until he does more I really can't be sure. I'd still lean town on him overall just because that sort of thing is kinda difficult to fake this early in a career I feel.
Austin let me do your post!
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