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Anyways I agree with Blurry, we have to lynch someone day 1 to put some pressure on mafia, otherwise they can just sit this one out doing basically nothing. On September 25 2013 13:04 onlywonderboy wrote: Oh god, I do this constantly. Gotta remember this rule >_< THIS SO MUCH. | ||
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I think we should hold off on lynching lurkers the first day, but if they continue to lurk we definitely should lynch them, imo it's a scumtell as that's what a scum would like to do - be passive and watch townies kill other townies and jumping on lynchwagons whenever a townie is in danger of getting lynched. | ||
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On September 25 2013 11:11 Bereft wrote: woohoo! party like it's TeamLiquid's birthday. so the almost complete absence of chatter even pregame makes me a bit wary. so i would suggest that we strongly and seriously threaten any lurkers with our day 1 lynch. 0 tolerance for lurking! my previous newbie game suffered from modkills and inactivity, and as a result it became really hard to gather a complete picture or at least see how 1 player reacted in the context of another considering only 50% was participating.. Can you explain your opinion on this a bit more? The only thing you CAN achieve with lynching lurkers is getting people to be more active, and I'm pretty sure we need to hunt scum, not force people to write meaningless posts. It puts literally ZERO pressure on the mafia, we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. | ||
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On September 25 2013 21:50 playerboy345 wrote: we need to be actively scumhunting - not lurkerhunting. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:20 JonnyLaw wrote: See, when more than 47 minutes have elapsed everyone in the game has posted something at least. Of those posters a couple stand out to me. At the moment I'm wary of Jayte and Mluneth. Since he joined the game this is his sole contribution. Meh...not trying to contribute, just posting to say he posted. This is an odd question. Feels like someone trying to role call falsely in order to be above suspicion. Why not pm your coach or a mod? Mluneth's other post since joining + Show Spoiler + On September 25 2013 22:51 MLuneth wrote: Hey guys, let try and keep the jokes down a little, it just ends up clogging up the thread, something that just helps mafia. In terms of policy lynching a lurker on d1(and in general), I'm against it simply because it lets maf chill (as they know how we will act) rather then being on their toes and hopefully making mistakes that we can punish. As for my idea on on lurkers, I think pressure is key as there is really no reason for town to avoid discussion. Anyway, greetings from Australia  It's early but those are my impressions upon going through everyone's posts individually. Lol you got a good point on Jayte, didn't a scum in the previous newbie mafia game start with a similar line? I have to disagree on your MLuneth "read" though, yes he might not be adding much to the game with that post but there really wasn't much to discuss when he posted it other then your opinion on lynching/not lynching lurkers. Though the question is indeed a bit weird, I mean it wouldn't make any sense if he was NOT scum to ask such a question because that would be an easy blue kill night 1 for mafia, or am I missing something here? Maybe he can clear it up when he gets online, I am quite interested in how he will defend the question. | ||
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And I agree with the question, but let's just wait and see how he will defend himself. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + He has added nothing to the game by far, his posts are just one-liners which are basically useless posts. Hopefully we'll hear some more of him soon + Show Spoiler [Zaragon] + The one thing I found a bit odd was that he clothed his opinions on MLuneth and heavenz/Bereft with arguments but the only thing he said about me was that I feel towny. I'm wondering why he didn't back this up with arguments like he did with the other cases. Overall I think he is town, but not using arguments and just saying "he feels town" is a bit weird in my opinion. (It feels so wrong to be suspicious of someone who called you town T_T) + Show Spoiler [stormtemplar] + I think he is town, he made himself very clear on the lurker subject and asked me to elaborate when I wasn't clear enough. He also questioned the same thing I did - Zaragon not using arguments on his opinion of me. I haven't read anything of him yet that I could even consider a scumread, he just tries to force information out of others, like: Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads. + Show Spoiler [Jayte] + Only an one-liner so far, and a highly suspicious (imo) one at that + Show Spoiler [JonnyLaw] + I got nothing on him so far. + Show Spoiler [heavenz] + On September 26 2013 16:58 heavenz wrote: onlywounderboy: only oneliners, while I am not against one liners at all, just writing 1 liners lacks much content. He tries to show activness even though he has no content, perhaps he didn't know what to write in the beginning. Now after 24h you should write more than 1 liners. Zaragon: has my strongest town read so far. Blurry is really falling behind expectation, that's weird. You really should post more. lurkers:Jayte, xIvanJ You both have to participate way more. I agree with you on onlywonderboy. BUT the bolded part makes me a bit suspicious, you say Zaragon has your strongest town tell but you say nothing to back it up, same goes for Blurry. Please elaborate on this when you can. + Show Spoiler [MLuneth] + On September 26 2013 14:57 MLuneth wrote: On my question, I'm a curious guy! I got lynched d3 and it's been several months since I last played, so I might be a little sketchy on some rules. What made you think it was a good idea to ask it in this thread? Wouldn't it make you an easy target for mafia or am I missing something here? And why are you going balls deep on heavenz? That's a pretty gutsy move. Your last posts basically says "I want to lynch heavenz!" without having a shitton of evidence to back it up with. + Show Spoiler [Bereft] + I got nothing on him so far. + Show Spoiler [Blurry] + His only post so far is on the lurker subject, it's not quite enough for me to have a tell on him. + Show Spoiler [BajaBlood] + On September 26 2013 02:48 BajaBlood wrote: Yeah, it's the shortest post so far, but I don't think he's alone in not having contributed any substance yet (myself included). Hopefully we'll start to see more contributions as our discussions turn more in this direction. Moving into discussions like this is probably more productive than the policy lynch, though - at least the guides say so  On September 26 2013 09:51 BajaBlood wrote: Not terribly impressed that this is the only post so far from this player... Asking for mercy on lurkers then proceeding to post nothing else. First he defends Jayte for having only one/a short post with no content and then he proceeds to attack xIvanJ for having only one post with no content. Am I the only one who thinks that's SUPER suspicious? I'll keep an eye on BajaBlood and Jayte for now. + Show Spoiler [Balla24] + Don't got much on him so far, but nothing scummy. Like this post: On September 26 2013 11:37 Balla24 wrote: I'm not really getting any bad vibes from anybody at this point. Really need to hear from the less talkative people at this point to get a read off of them. As far as town reads I'm liking Zaragon for sure, and maybee Bereft. Both of them have been quite active in trying to move the discussion forward and providing their reads. They have also been looking into other's past games which i think is quite helpful for us. We just really need to hear from the quiet ones at this point though, they are really stalling the game and it's been a whole 24 hours. Some people have 1/2 posts only and have been quite weird. If we're not going to hear from them though, i'd like to hear a bit more from Heavenz now that some time has passed, maybe there are more insights about how people are acting first day compared to that last game they played together. Blurry specifically, as his opening post -> sudden quietness is worrying from what I hear so far about his play. Looks town to me. + Show Spoiler [xIvanJ] + Only a one-liner so far, he has to post more. | ||
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4 posts since I started writing, anyways can you provide some thoughts on my analysis though? | ||
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On September 26 2013 22:29 onlywonderboy wrote: playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future. I appreciate it, and I really like that you don't trust me right of the bat just because I wrote a massive wall of text, I would have questioned you if you weren't being cautious. On September 26 2013 22:25 BajaBlood wrote: That aside, I think your analysis is good, playerboy. I appreciate the effort you're putting into the thread. Definitely getting a good vibe. I can understand where you are coming from with your perspective on me - you're welcome to continue to see if I' appear to be acting irrationally regarding Jayte as the game goes on. The only other thing I disagree with is on the heavenz part - you yourself (and I did this too) said you had a greenish read to Zaragon but didn't have much to support it, why is it odd that heavenz does too? Like I said, those are only my "feels" for now, nothing is set in stone and there is still a decent amount of time left untill the nightphase, we should use this time to keep people talking, the more people talk, the more likely it is that they'll say something they weren't supposed to say. It wasn't really odd, but I would really like to know why he thinks that Zaragon is towny, writing that someone is town is easy, backing it up with arguments is a bit harder, but it can convince people that your opinion is the right one. On September 26 2013 23:00 heavenz wrote: I would advice to vote for Jayte assuming that xIvanJ get's modkilled or replaced. I think xIvanJ will be modkilled, he has only posted once so far and it wasn't an impressive one at that (just agreeing with things that have already been said). Jayte hasn't really been all that productive, and his low post count isn't really helping either so that means I will put my vote on Jayte for now, would really like it if he could defend himself as I really don't want to mislynch :/. That doesn't mean I'm not suspicious of BajaBlood anymore though <3 (I appreciate you taking the time to defend yourself though, definitely a plus in my book). ##Vote: Jayte | ||
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On September 27 2013 01:01 Balla24 wrote: and final note on the BajaBlood suspiciousness... I don't really agree with that. He's targetting 2 quiet people, and I don't honestly think it matters which one we go after. They need to step up. That's all i have to say about that. I agree with you here, both xIvanJ and Jayte need to defend themselves, we know that Jayte is around so I really want to know what he has to say for himself. xIvanJ however has only made a single post so far and it doesn't seem like he is going to post any more, probably will get replaced/modkilled. About the BajaBlood suspicion, I didn't say it was a 100% scumtell, it's just something that seemed off to me, however after reading his defense it made a decent amount of sense. I'm still keeping my eye on him though. | ||
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##Unvote Jayte On September 27 2013 05:37 heavenz wrote: Strong town read on: Me, Bella24, Zaragon, onlywounderboy, good: Baja Blood, Jonny Law Suspicious Stormtemplar,Mluneth (100% of his posts are suspicious, but that's so over the top that it would be odd if he was mafia) I wouldn't be surprised if there was a playerboy & stormtemplar mafia. Afk: Bereft, Blurry, xIvan, Jayte Actually I think Jaytes post 2nd and last post makes him even more suspicious, like he's claiming mafia. Please do explain your town read on onlywonderboy, On September 27 2013 04:26 onlywonderboy wrote: Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic. @JonnyLaw I'll respond to your inquiry when I have more time. Short version is I liked that he was putting the time into profile everyone, not that I really agreed with all the analysis. "Great" might have been too strong of a word I suppose. He does a pretty last minute vote on Blurry, why? Because he hasn't defended himself yet. Guess who hasn't defended themselves yet other then Blurry: Jayte and xIvanJ, why not vote for them but for Blurry?Seems like he doesn't really care about who is lynched, as long as SOMEONE gets lynched. He really hasn't contributed alot to this thread so I disagree on your "strong" town read on him. MLuneth... eh, could it be that he is just a dumb townie?(no offense) Sure he is suspicous but I don't see anything that SCREAMS scum to me. I'm willing to wait a little longer with him to see how his posting behaviour develops. I also found it funny how you think I'm suspicious just because stormtemplar agrees with me lol. Honestly I would like to hear more on the stormremplar case because I feel like I'm missing something here, would greatly appreciate it if someone could point me to some of the scummy things he has done so far. | ||
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On September 27 2013 04:26 onlywonderboy wrote: Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic. @JonnyLaw I'll respond to your inquiry when I have more time. Short version is I liked that he was putting the time into profile everyone, not that I really agreed with all the analysis. "Great" might have been too strong of a word I suppose. I feel onlywonderboy is the person I'm getting highest scum read from. He likes that I put time into a post but he says that he didn't agree with all the analysis, then why not elaborate on what you didn't agree with? He leaves with a vote on Blurry and says he'll post when he has more time, it's been two hours and he hasn't posted anything yet so my vote is on him. ##Vote onlywonderboy | ||
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On September 27 2013 06:15 playerboy345 wrote: He likes that I put time into a post but he says that he didn't agree with all the analysis, then why not elaborate on what you didn't agree with? Oh and might I add: On September 27 2013 05:37 heavenz wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if there was a playerboy & stormtemplar mafia. Right now I'm thinking about switching my vote to Bereft as his last post basically has 0 content and he votes on a "safe bet" just cause why not? It's easy to vote for a safe bet - you don't have to do any analysis, just sit back and watch people die. | ||
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On September 27 2013 08:20 Zaragon wrote: This, with a quote of what I actually consider the fluffiest part I've seen from Stormtemplar: "Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads." Looking into both of them now. Rethinking my personality read on playerboy a bit and rereading him. He also seemed quite certain at the last minute that we would see a green/blue flip: Possible sign of information advantage used to gain town credit, at that timing. Have a lot of rereading to do, might not get through it tonight What do you mean with fluffy? English is not my first language and I really don't understand what the hell that word has to do in that sentence >.< There were more people who didn't agree with the MLuneth lynch, in my opinion he really didn't seem all that scummy, I was expecting him to flip town which was why I was against voting him. There wasn't really a good case on him other then his posts being odd. Would love to hear from you when you're done rereading me, I'll gladly defend anything you throw at me. On September 27 2013 12:13 Bereft wrote: + Show Spoiler [onlywonderboy] + owb I've read most of your LOL material. You can write and critically think. WHAT did you like about playerboy's analysis in particular? What are your opinions on the other twelve players in this game? I'm not liking the read I'm getting here. stormtemplar + Show Spoiler + some people have been throwing this guy's name around, but looking through his filter i find nothing that screams a scum tell, but at the same time, nothing particularly memorable. for now he's not ranked high in my book alright i'm fking tired and my analysis is getting shittier as it goes on. i'll need to reeval some of the filters tomorrow. here's the tl;dr: i'd lean towards wonderboy followed by baja for d2 lynch given the current situation. i didn't bother evaluating the afk'ers. blurry, i'm holding you to your promise to post! xIvanJ is a joke -- vig should just shoot him if we still have one. funny thing is now that i think about the ridiculous nature of jayte's posts, i suspect he's actually vanilla town... Thank god I'm not the only one that thinks onlywonderboy is suspicious/stormtemplar doesn't look that scummy. I was getting worried :/ I'll look into BajaBlood's filter later today. So far I'm really suspicious of onlywonderboy, his last few posts aren't that good, they add nothing to the table, he said he would post reads after rereading everything/waking up so I'm interested to see what he will provide us with. Sorry for the half-assed post, I just woke up and getting ready to go to school, will probably be able to post during the whole day. | ||
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On September 27 2013 03:08 Zaragon wrote: I like the emotion in Bereft's posts, even if I can see them translate to a scum mindset. But I like Bereft as a busy townie so far. MLuneth or Blurry IMO. Xlvanj is just a policy lynch, Jayte said something half-way decent that is non-indicative to me. MLuneth is trying to make cases that simply contradict pro town play, as if he's against contribution or meta information and talking about "clogging up" a thread that is only 9 pages as I'm writing this. It needs more contribution, not less. Blurry I want to see write, and give a thought process behind his first post. And input on MLuneth. Currently, ##Vote Blurry On September 27 2013 04:26 onlywonderboy wrote: Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic. @JonnyLaw I'll respond to your inquiry when I have more time. Short version is I liked that he was putting the time into profile everyone, not that I really agreed with all the analysis. "Great" might have been too strong of a word I suppose. On September 27 2013 04:41 Balla24 wrote: Alright, it's been almost 3 1/2 hours since my post. Still no sign of the lurkers. @JonnyLaw I'm not sold on stormtemplar's behavior being scummy. I would like to both hear more from you about it on why you think his posts have been scummy and also stormtemplar's defense. But at this point I'm not really reading scum from his posts besides the fact that he hasn't really shared tooo much about his reads and has just been going off of others. At least he is disagreeing with people which I like. With that said. We are almost 2 hours from voting and none of the inactive people have shown their faces. We have been asking for them to talk for 2 days now and nothing. Now which one should we lynch? Here i'm going to have to go with ##Vote: Blurry. He started off with a good 1st day post (very early in the game mind you), and then nothing for 2 days straight. Not only is this completely different from his previous game (which I don't think carries too much weight) but he just doesn't seem interested. One last thing though. Both him and xIvan have only posted once and people are saying xIvan is probably going to get modkilled...would Blurry then also get modkilled? These three vote for Blurry, why? Zaragon votes him based on Blurry's meta. In the previous game Blurry had a good opening post much like in this game, the difference between this game and the previous game is that in the previous game Blurry continued to contribute and in the current game he didn't. This is just such an easy thing to pick on - the reason that he hasn't really contributed that much is because he has been inactive. onlywonderboy picks it as a safe bet because he won't be able to be online for the deadline. I don't understand why Balla24 is voting for Blurry here though, he didn't seem all that interested in Blurry before, so why pick him over Jayte/xIvanJ who are just as inactive as Blurry. On September 27 2013 06:40 Zaragon wrote: Got caught up in an intriguing conversation with a friend, now the hour is late. MLuneth is the only person who has posted considerable amounts that I would vote for. I don't know if he's bad town or scum either, it's strange to assert himself like he does as either town or scum and then not to be responding now. Feels like scum constructing a case and dropping off at suspicions. I wanted to push Blurry to contribute, he hasn't. I'm comfortable switching off him for now since he doesn't even seem to be coming in to vote. ##Vote MLuneth On September 27 2013 06:55 Balla24 wrote: EBWOP: But I agree with Bajablood. Having him around Day2 seems like he will slip up again if he is indeed scum. Then again, he is the only real suspicious person besides the afkers. ##vote MLuneth Why is Zaragon comfortable with switching his vote? He says it's because Blurry doesn't seem to be coming to vote. Guess who else didn't come to vote? MLuneth. So why change your vote? Why not just keep it on Blurry as your case seems to be the same on both of them? Also: On September 27 2013 12:31 Zaragon wrote: I did read MLuneth as soft-claiming a role and wanted to draw attention away from it at first. That's partly why my instinct later went "huh, I've stopped paying attention to this guy since I'm just hoping he'll live through the night... and those things he's saying make absolutely no sense. But he's trying really hard to make a case with those things. Makes sense for that mindset to use the question to protect himself as scum." Suddenly why I wanted to keep him safe became why I really thought he was scum playing badly rather than town playing badly. No response felt like scum slipping under radar. He'd have had plenty of time to make any kind of defense, unfortunately he was never around again. In this post you claim you read his post as soft-claiming vigi. WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU EVER VOTE FOR HIM IF YOU HAD EVEN THE SLIGHTEST DOUBT THAT HE COULD BE A VIGI? This makes 0 sense to me, no fucking clue what you were thinking here. Why didn't you just leave your vote on Blurry if that was the case? Also note that Balla24 switches his vote to MLuneth aswell. He says he's the only suspicious person besides the afkers, while I can agree that his posting was indeed odd, it doesn't explain his sudden switch. He agrees with BajaBlood: On September 27 2013 06:53 BajaBlood wrote: Yes, in his other game (as scum) he was very sheepy early on until he started getting accused, then got aggresively defensive (think the word they used in the thread was 'shitflinging', lol). Whereas in this game, he's making reads right off the bat and playing much more in-your-face. I think his heavenz read was terrible, and a number of his other posts (including the question) are bizzare, but I'm not reading it as scum yet. Plus if we keep him around and he is in fact scum I think we'll have an easier time classifying him then some other players What BajaBlood says is don't lynch MLuneth because if he is scum it'll be easy to tell. WHY DO YOU VOTE HIM IF YOU AGREE THAT LETTING HIM LIVE FOR ANOTHER DAY WILL MAKE IT EASY TO TELL IF HE IS SCUM OR NOT? I'm sorry but that just makes absolutely 0 sense to me. onlywonderboy: You say Blurry flew under the radar for you and that is why you voted him. Then what about the other inactives, you are not gonna tell me they didn't flew under the radar, right? So why DID you vote for Blurry? Were you in a hurry because you had to leave and left with a half-assed post? Or did you just decide to vote for him because your mafia teammates (assuming both Balla24 and Zaragon are scum) did so you could boost the votes in your favor? I don't got much proof and this is basically just theorycrafting but I think Zaragon/Balla24/onlywonderboy might be our scum combo. Let me know what you guys think. | ||
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On September 28 2013 07:41 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll get back to my reads in another post shortly but I want to look more into why someone wanted bereft out of the game. Which questions do we need to ask to read into it more? He voted jayte rather early and stuck with the vote. This is not a very good tell for anything in my opinion. He criticized myself a bit, and balla very harshly. Is this trying to be a clever ruse to try and start a bandwagon against balla? I'll look at it more as I go through the filters. The Bereft kill is weird in my opinion, why not go for heavenz/Zaragon who have been way more pro-town with their posts so far? I'd say those two are way bigger threats to mafia (unless they happen to be mafia). On September 28 2013 07:48 Balla24 wrote: I wouldn't call my switch sudden. I started off that morning describing why I thought MLuneth was suspicious. During the voting process, we were at a point in time where people were saying that Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte were going to get modkilled for sure. I was agreeing with Bajablood on this post: However not on the last sentence obviously since I ended up voting him. At the time of my EBWOP with the vote (i had meant to vote in my previous post already) I hadn't even seen the post that you quoted and was simply posting what was going through my head. In the end, I decided to vote him because I thought he was scummy (for the reasons I had opened the morning with), nobody else appeared scummy and the inactives were going to get modkilled. Like I said, it probably would have been better to go for a no-lynch (not probably, for sure would have been better) but I chalk that up to inexperience. Nice and rational defense, I'm rethinking the possibility of a onlywonderboy/Zaragon/Balla24 scumteam now. (maybe onlywonderboy/Zaragon/inactive?) On September 28 2013 07:57 Zaragon wrote: What was my motivation as scum to swap my vote? It doesn't make sense. I could've NKed MLuneth if I had been scum and role-read him. I play with incomplete information as town, and made a mistake (again, largely because these players didn't even show up to play the game). Your post, again, is something oddly timed right as night phase was ending, but I'm not sure yet what else to read into it. I'd welcome input on both you and myself. Your motivation to swap your vote as scum? You thought that you could get MLuneth lynched and that Blurry was likely to get modkilled, if that were the case you could have easily switched to MLuneth in order to maximize your kills. Even if Blurry wasn't going to get modkilled - he seems completely inactive so it would be beneficial for scum to keep him around compared to MLuneth whom you admitted to have read as a vigi. On September 28 2013 08:25 JonnyLaw wrote: All of this combined with his very timely post before we lynched MLuneth make me very suspicious. Note that was posted two minutes before the deadline. He had three other posts in the thirty minutes prior so clearly he was around at the lynch deadline and only chose to express his opinion once it was too late and did not elaborate as to why he felt that way. Oh yeah, that onlywonderboy vote was odd when clearly he was not going to be lynched. There was time to jump on the blurry bandwagon easily. This may have swayed people to stay on blurry instead of going to MLuneth. It just doesn't add up. I'm sorry for having a life and only being able to post 2 minutes before the deadline, I didn't f5 the page like my life depended on it because I was playing a game with my friends - when I came back it was almost time. And about not voicing my opinion on MLuneth earlier; I'd advise you to read filters more carefully: 1 2 I said I never got a scumread from him: I'd consider that as expressing my opinion. Do you not realise how powerfull a vote is? I obviously knew onlywonderboy wasn't getting lynched that day, but that doesn't mean I'll just jump on someone else because "why not, other people seem to think he is mafia!". I voted for onlywonderboy because he felt the most scum to me at that moment, and honestly I still think he is scum. On September 28 2013 08:26 Zaragon wrote: I'm definitely not saying it's towny for people to swap the votes, by the way, it can be scummy if either Stormtemplar or Blurry is scum and someone wanted to save them. Scum wouldn't care much about swinging the vote otherwise or they would just divide themselves not to look suspect. It's not towny to swap your vote but you and Balla24 did swap your votes AND you divide yourselves from onlywonderboy.............DOTDOTDOTDOTDOTDOT On September 28 2013 08:38 JonnyLaw wrote: I'm still just reading stormtemplar oddly by the way. His little write up claims Zaragon and bereft as pro-town which not a lot of people have been arguing yet. He gives me a hard time, basically repeating what "pro town zaragon" said a couple posts earlier. This is fair enough since I tried to have him lynched. Then he tries to separate himself from playerboy. And for the rest he essentially says nothing or repeats what other have said in a non-accusatory manner. I just think he wants to fly under the radar and get attention away from the ties he had to playerboy and anything to do with bereft. A "he's town I wouldn't dislike him!" type of post. Are you even serious right now? Please show me where stormtemplar is agreeing with me, let me show you some of his posts where HE thinks I am scummy: 1 2 3 4 5 Sorry but after reading through his filter I couldn't find any posts of his where he agrees with me, enlighten me on your opinion please as your post just seems scummy to me at this point. On September 28 2013 09:12 Zaragon wrote: This is a good case, you substantiated the oddity from before with a lot more meat that I missed. I also noticed in his filter that he pointedly asks people to elaborate on town reads, and pressures them for not doing so. How does that help town? It puts targets on people's backs. "I'm leaning/feeling town" is good enough to say you currently like someone's posting/opinions/motivations/emotions, and giving more is often actually not very good for town. Pressuring people about town reads, I don't see how that helps town. Someone having too strong town reads--playerboy on Stormtemplar based on little, but carefully pushed little--is much more of a scum tell. Sign of knowing this person is town, or protecting a scum team mate. My read on you JonnyLaw is significantly less scummy now, and playerboy significantly more. How does it help town? It forces people to talk - the more people talk the easier it is to spot oddities, this is my first game of mafia and I thought it would be a good way to get people talking. "Someone having too strong town reads--playerboy on Stormtemplar based on little, but carefully pushed little--is much more of a scum tell. Sign of knowing this person is town, or protecting a scum team mate." Can you explain this sentence too me? I don't really get what you're trying to say with this. On September 28 2013 09:25 Blurry wrote: Can I be replaced. I'm just swamped with work. No way I can actively contribute to this game. I will say, going forward, you guys should look at those who switched their vote from me to myluneth. This is a pretty scummy bandwagon switch so it may be a solid yield to follow. Apart from that, look at who Bereft was accusing. This may be a null lead because he may have just been the best contributer thus far but it may be something to go off of. My gut feeling is at least 2 of the scum were voting for either me or myluneth because we were easy bandwagon targets. I think its weird that Zara claimed he was voting to pressure me to say something. Thats weird play and I don't necessarily agree with that. I'm sorry I couldn't be a bigger help but RL being what it is, sometimes it just happens. I have to go because I'm setting up to dj a party but I'll check back in a bit to see if I get replaced or not. +1 for my theory. Who changed their votes to MLuneth? Balla24, Zaragon, heavenz and JonnyLaw. 2 of which were in my "might-be-scum" case. Also in this post he voices his doubts on Zaragon AND Balla24 being town. On September 28 2013 10:54 stormtemplar wrote: I think playerboy is scum (That last big post was awful), Thank you for providing your thoughts, but WHY did you think it was afwul, you give NO reasoning at all. On September 28 2013 13:41 stormtemplar wrote: Playerboy has been actively useless. The main two people he's called out have been zaragon and bereft, which is just odd. As I pointed out in my analysis, I'm really weirded out by the fact that he read me as stronger town then zaragon or bereft. As glad as I am to have someone coming to my defense, I just find it doubtful that someone could look at day one from and town perspective and hold that view. I almost wonder if he's trying to make me look guilty by association, or get town cred by defending me. I gotta say, it sounds ideal for him as mafia for him to unsuccessfully defend me, I flip town and he gets cred and Jonnylaw looks like scum for attacking me so much. You might want to look at the previous newbie mini mafia game - one of the town leaders (I'd consider Zaragon to be a town leader at this point) was scum - he was the reason scum won the game because everyone blindly followed him. And where the hell do you see me claim I read you as a stronger town than Zaragon or Bereft? If my memory serves me correct this is just plain bullshit - all I have said about you so far is that you don't feel scummy. In my opinion I haven't defended you. I've asked for people's reasoning on why they think you are scum because honestly I don't really see it (would still love to know why). On September 28 2013 15:43 Zaragon wrote: At the moment I like playerboy most for scum. Twice now the timing of his posts, end day and end night, has really felt scummy, as if he knows what to do to set himself up for the following phase. Certainty that indicates information advantage of scum, to me. I'm assuming scum would come up with a case to discredit me for the coming day since they were betting on Bereft, and it was a long and constructed one that could be for that purpose. He just missed the little detail that I was the first interested in Blurry as well as MLuneth and thus have nothing to gain from the whole swing vote for myself if I were scum, or any potential scum linked to me. Which ought to be a pretty massive detail if he were actually town making the case. Not so obvious from the scum perspective. I need to get back to sleep, but it will be interesting to see opinions on this. Looking at other options tomorrow (including the real possibility of scum lurkers just sitting the game out, and different swing vote possibilities). I don't see how posting at the end of a phase can be considered scummy. I voiced my opinion on MLuneth before my last post that phase and the post at night 1 took me ages to write. I had a shitton of tabs open, rereading stuff for ages to make sure and getting confused the whole fucking time due to the amount of text that I had to absorb, it ended up being done close to the deadline. On September 29 2013 04:14 Zaragon wrote: That's just plain mafia or throwing the game as town. Focus please. Make a case on onlywonderboy, and refute the playerboy case then. The way things are looking right now I feel our best chance is playerboy as scum, and making a plan to lynch Jayte/Blurry after. Hope that the inactives are scoured from the game by mods, and that at least one is scum. But this could in essence become LYLO already, you are right, so we better hit scum. If you have a certain thing on onlywonderboy, great, make us see it too. I agree with Zaragon on his first line. 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On September 29 2013 09:29 JonnyLaw wrote: Yo, Zaragon could be scum playing better than you. This aggressive posting does not help our cause at all. I said what I thought and you got so defensive about it for no reason. Plenty of people here called me out in earlier posts as well. When you posted three times in that 30 minute time span. ##vote playerboy345 We're backed into a corner where we have 1-2 days to get a vote right. You're making my gamble easier. I don't see how being defensive is a scum tell? I also don't see how posting three times in a 30 minute time span = watches the thread nonstop/not playing a game. That last line.... do I even need to say anything about it? | ||
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On September 29 2013 11:36 Zaragon wrote: The Bereft kill isn't weird if scum thought I could be the doctor target. And has heavenz been more pro town than Bereft was? Have I been? How? Just activity? Besides, plenty of foundation to cast suspicion on me after the vote, if you are mafia and have this thought process. You're giving me a lot of credit and convoluted reasoning in your scum image of me I must say. Maximizing kills by switching target? I was setting that up hours in advance when I stated my reasoning behind MLuneth and Blurry? Just betting they wouldn't show up? If I were making a plan as scum, it wouldn't be that stupid, and it wouldn't depend on people not even playing. Sorry, you're wrong. The quote from me you wanted clarified: "Someone having too strong town reads--playerboy on Stormtemplar based on little, but carefully pushed little--is much more of a scum tell. Sign of knowing this person is town, or protecting a scum team mate." By this I meant, you gave a strong town read on Stormtemplar and quoted specific details of his play as if they were clearly pro town, which I think was far from clear to anyone else at that point. I was willing to chalk it up as a newbie/language oddity, and to be fair, I'm considering that again since I've seen the Stormtemplar ties aren't substantial and came out of misunderstandings. It reads scummy, because instead of waiting to see what scum is going to do, you make a post setting up for something you expect to happen. You could only know the NK if scum, and only then is your post relevant. All that effort setting up for the day phase, while tensely waiting for NKs? As town? You did the same thing a couple of minutes before the voting deadline, by which time it's too late to change anything, but you look good as scum since you knew MLuneth was town. ....I didn't. I'm town so I state my current suggestion on the next day because I know I can die in the night. I was laying out for heavenz a way town still has a chance even if we stay lurker-city. Sure, I hope for better reads to lynch first, but by now I realized Jayte/Blurry are the lurkers who might be modkilled last since they have shown slight activity, thus best for first lynches if we end up in a situation to clean lurkers. I don't know if you're mafia, playerboy, it does conflict with my personality read on you since the beginning. You'd be an extremely ballsy scum first time player. You're still my top read, but since I'm not certain of you as scum anymore: I'm 1-Shot Cop with a town check (I will reveal them if it gets close to deadline and lurkers don't budge, since it could essentially be LYLO). I'm expecting to die tonight anyway, and I want to get town on track if we can. Maybe you can see my motivations for Day 1 better now, and why I used the word "cop-out" in a casual context (breadcrumb). More reads people, more opinions. Damn Zaragon why you gotta fuck up my mind? :/ I don't think you fake claiming a role at this point - I believe you are town now. The Bereft kill isn't weird if scum thought I could be the doctor target. And has heavenz been more pro town than Bereft was? Have I been? How? Just activity? Besides, plenty of foundation to cast suspicion on me after the vote, if you are mafia and have this thought process. I thought it was weird because you'd be a higher priority kill in my opinion. I didn't really think about a doctor save - I just thought you not dead = chance of you being mafia. Bereft said he didn't think of me as a candidate for a day2 lynch, however heavenz has voiced his suspicion on me before (he thought there was a possibility that me and stormtemplar could be scum together). If I were scum wouldn't it be more beneficial for me to nightkill heavenz instead of Bereft? You're giving me a lot of credit and convoluted reasoning in your scum image of me I must say. Maximizing kills by switching target? I was setting that up hours in advance when I stated my reasoning behind MLuneth and Blurry? Just betting they wouldn't show up? If I were making a plan as scum, it wouldn't be that stupid, and it wouldn't depend on people not even playing. Sorry, you're wrong. The quote from me you wanted clarified: "Someone having too strong town reads--playerboy on Stormtemplar based on little, but carefully pushed little--is much more of a scum tell. Sign of knowing this person is town, or protecting a scum team mate." By this I meant, you gave a strong town read on Stormtemplar and quoted specific details of his play as if they were clearly pro town, which I think was far from clear to anyone else at that point. I was willing to chalk it up as a newbie/language oddity, and to be fair, I'm considering that again since I've seen the Stormtemplar ties aren't substantial and came out of misunderstandings. I guess you're right on your first point, not much I can argue with there. I kind of understand now with why you think the post was "fluffy" (as you put it). The quote was 4 lines and basically all it said was: Jayte is inactive he needs to show up. It reads scummy, because instead of waiting to see what scum is going to do, you make a post setting up for something you expect to happen. You could only know the NK if scum, and only then is your post relevant. All that effort setting up for the day phase, while tensely waiting for NKs? As town? You did the same thing a couple of minutes before the voting deadline, by which time it's too late to change anything, but you look good as scum since you knew MLuneth was town. Well, I guess I just learned something: if you are going to post wait for a phase to end (if it's almost ending that is). "You could only know the NK if scum, and only then is your post relevant." Can you clarify this? I don't see how my post would be irrelevant if someone other then Bereft would have been NK'd (well unless you/Balla24/onlywonderboy got NK'd). ....I didn't. I'm town so I state my current suggestion on the next day because I know I can die in the night. I was laying out for heavenz a way town still has a chance even if we stay lurker-city. Sure, I hope for better reads to lynch first, but by now I realized Jayte/Blurry are the lurkers who might be modkilled last since they have shown slight activity, thus best for first lynches if we end up in a situation to clean lurkers. I don't know if you're mafia, playerboy, it does conflict with my personality read on you since the beginning. You'd be an extremely ballsy scum first time player. You're still my top read, but since I'm not certain of you as scum anymore: I'm 1-Shot Cop with a town check (I will reveal them if it gets close to deadline and lurkers don't budge, since it could essentially be LYLO). I'm expecting to die tonight anyway, and I want to get town on track if we can. Maybe you can see my motivations for Day 1 better now, and why I used the word "cop-out" in a casual context (breadcrumb). More reads people, more opinions. Don't you think it's likely that you will be protected by the town doctor tonight? Especially now that you've claimed a role and are willing to reveal your town check? I have to say that I still don't necessarily agree with lynching Jayte/Blurry but I understand that if we get no better reads in the meantime we'll be forced to either lynch one of those two, vote for a no-lynch or make a complete gamble and lynch a random person who feels scum. I'd still like to avoid lynching inactives if possible though :/ On September 29 2013 13:35 Balla24 wrote: On playerboy: His big post is now irrelevant with Zaragon's cop claim, I would have liked to have other people's opinions on everything said in there besides my own and Zaragon's but I guess we can move past that now. I am very interested to hear your (playerboy's) reads and defenses now that your theory has been refuted/debunked. I feel horrible now that my theory has been refuted, what else? I still think onlywonderboy is scum, and would appreciate it if people would read through his filters as I feel like his posts are scummy. On September 29 2013 14:31 stormtemplar wrote: Could heavenz maybe be SK? His overall attitude is sorta seems like "$@#$ it all" which I wouldn't expect of mafia or town. Perhaps his odd play could be a result of clumsily attempting to harm both teams? I do agree that him and jonnylaw did tunnelvision onto me in a way I found surprising, but I'm not feeling Jonny as scum, especially if playerboy is. I think we should lynch playerboy, he's the scummiest player right now, and if we're right and he flips scum it makes it much more likely that both jonny and myself are town, as it would be very odd for us to buss a teammate before there was any real pressure on him in the first place. I also feel like his defense feels too tense and angry, a townies defense should be colored by the fact that they want to stop the town from making a mistake, they want to live not only because they want to survive, but more importantly because killing them will hurt the town. I know my feeling when defending myself was "Oh crap, we really can not afford to lynch another townie, I really need to convince them they're making a mistake." Playerboy's whole attitude is more tense, aggressive and combative then I'd expect from someone in this mentality. Zaragon, I was thinking about your point that playerboy is oddly aggressive as a first time mafia. That is true, but passivity among inexperience mafia is a rule that is not without exception, especially since it is so well know. I could see someone with a naturally aggressive playstyle deciding that they'd avoid looking like mafia by wildly attacking the first person they could. Add to the fact that he's tried his absolute best to discredit you, when you are arguably the town leader. It actually seems like a decent plan when playing with fellow newbies, if you can pull it off you'll start off a disfuntional debate that is totally misdirected, and maybe even get someone who is deeply pro-town lynched and break the back of the town while at it. It is possible that Playerboy is simply a misguided and overagressive townie, but I'm not feeling it. Most of his posts have been low on content, and I haven't liked the logic on many of his arguments, when he actually does post.. (If people would like I can post a point by point, but it's late and I don't want to do it now, and honestly I don't think it's necessary.) I think I want to go back and read through the filters of some of our lower key players and see if I can get any reads, because I feel like we have at least one scum player who hasn't fallen under suspicion yet. Going to bed now, it's 1:30 AM and I have stuff to do tomorrow morning. On heavenz being SK: if he indeed got RB'd and is SK it could make sense as there was only one kill that night, on the other hand our SK might aswell be an inactive which could explain that, I don't know but I can't find any support for this argument in his filter. I also feel like his defense feels too tense and angry, a townies defense should be colored by the fact that they want to stop the town from making a mistake, they want to live not only because they want to survive, but more importantly because killing them will hurt the town. I know my feeling when defending myself was "Oh crap, we really can not afford to lynch another townie, I really need to convince them they're making a mistake." Playerboy's whole attitude is more tense, aggressive and combative then I'd expect from someone in this mentality. I'm sorry but I disagree with this. There was zero anger in my post, my apologies if you felt like there was, if so it was unintentional. Add to the fact that he's tried his absolute best to discredit you, when you are arguably the town leader. I want to urge you to check the previous newbie mini mafia game. The town leader in that game was Umasi - guess who was scum? Umasi. Being a town leader doesn't make you towny, there is no way you can be sure that someone is town unless you are a mason, you've performed an investigation or someone has undenyable proof (a role claim for example). Blindly following the town leader is scummy if anything. It is possible that Playerboy is simply a misguided and overagressive townie, but I'm not feeling it. Most of his posts have been low on content, and I haven't liked the logic on many of his arguments, when he actually does post.. (If people would like I can post a point by point, but it's late and I don't want to do it now, and honestly I don't think it's necessary.) EXCUSE ME? DID YOU EVEN READ ANY OF MY POSTS? Please do provide a point by point post as this is just plain bullshit in my opinion. Sorry for not being able to post earlier, I woke up late because I went to sleep late and when I woke up I had to leave to the airport because a friend of my parents was leaving (heard about it when I woke up, didn't know this before). I haven't refreshed the page for a while now and will probably post more after refreshing/reading more. 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On September 30 2013 03:37 Zaragon wrote: Ouhc, Playerboy, if you're town, please don't address who the doc might or should save. Keep in mind the possibility we could only have a 1-Shot Doc or two or whatever, and discussing anything around this only helps scum My apologies, didn't realize that :/ | ||
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On September 30 2013 03:49 heavenz wrote: you mentioned it probably, but playerboys voting behavior is scummy. It almost seems like he knew that mylunch was town, and went for wounderboy knowing he wouldn't get a majority on that player that time, effectivly throwing his vote away, just to get some town credit (or end up on the misslynch group). then again, I share berefts thoughts on wounderboy, and have to agree with playboy that he never participated in anyway in a analysis of a player he thought was scummy. He just posted like I feel bad about him, but never bothered to do dig deeper. You do realise that my vote was going to be null no matter what right? Blurry and Jayte got two votes - MLuneth got four, my vote wouldn't have made a difference anyways, what's the point on hopping on a lynchtrain? | ||
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On September 30 2013 07:24 onlywonderboy wrote: Well, it was fun while it lasted, sorry townies, I tried! Learned a lot regardless, this game is hard lol. Might look to play in more. Sorry onlywonderboy, I really thought you were scum :/ I guess your death is kinda my fault T_T So I think this game is basically Zaragon's to win or lose, right? Also I noticed that Koshi probably didn't suspect me as scum as he never really mentioned me in any of his posts. I'll try to be more useful today as I probably have more time to spend today compared to yesterday. | ||
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On October 02 2013 06:24 heavenz wrote: I know, I played carelessly, I thought I am just a VT, if I die, what ever. But the situation arose and many modkills, and we're suddenly at the end of the game. If you belive that Stormtemplar is mafia, it's stormtemplar and balla24, I just ask you to read my longer post again. You need to understand the this is not a rating of who is the most suspicious, we just have to kill the mafia. Read the last game, umasi was mafia, he wasn't suspicious at all. Playerboy mentioned that he played with Umasi in aonther game where Umasi was scum as well, you will not think he is mafia because he is more town than all of town. I don't have any connection or responsibilty for playerboy, on day1 I assumed that the mafia was playerboy & stormtemplar. I made a case with JonnyLaw on Stormtemplar and I made a case with Playerboy on Onlywunderboy. I think that Stormtemplar is scum, and when stormtemplar is scum he is scum with balla24. You played carelessly? That is an understatement, you went from let's hunt scum! To fuck this game to idk we should kill someone. You've been the most inconsistent player this game. You thought "I am just a VT, if I die, what ever."??? Why would you ever think this way as town, it makes no sense to me. Do you even realise how far back it sets us if you die and you flip town? What you're doing is just a horrible way of playing town, you're supposed to prove your innocence, not think fuck this kill me so you guys know I'm town. You misread, I never claimed I played a game with Umasi, I was however spectating the game and found it extremely odd that Umasi was never targeted for a nightkill, and people kept just blindly following him which ultimately became their downfall. Zaragon mentioned that he read the thread aswell if I remember correctly which led me to developing that Zaragon/Balla24/onlywonderboy scumteam theory. Sorry guys for not posting much, I'll go through the last few pages again and pick some posts to quote/answer/talk about. | ||
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On September 30 2013 21:17 Koshi wrote: heavenz If stormtemplar is a scum roleblocker the setup is TTTTBVC Remember that scum roleblocker does not give 2 extra B's in the draft. So that means that Bella24 is just a goon and not a GF for your theory. Which doesn't change anything. But it is interesting that you come to the conclusion that there is a GF. I wonder if this is a scumslip because stormtemplar is really a town roleblocker and you know there is a GF. You just swapped the names around. After which he posts: On September 30 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: I am going to believe stormtemplar tbh. There was no reason for him to claim RB after a RB already flipped. wtf the chances of this setup are low. like REALLY LOW. I can't believe this shit... Later he posts: On October 01 2013 03:24 Koshi wrote: We know all roles unless they lie about their role... storm claimed second town RB. Which has the lowest chance of happening. I almost want to lynch the guy. These posts plus the fact that he "forgot" to RB someone is scummy in my opinion. He might have been scared that Koshi would figure him out and decided to NK him in the hopes that people would attack someone else. I have the feeling heavenz is trying to get me lynched first to "clear" himself of suspicion. He just keeps saying stuff like playerboy town 100%, effectively drawing attention to me. heavenz' filter looks way scummier compared to stormtemplars, but stormtemplar "forgetting" to RB is just so unbelievable that it makes him look scummy :/ | ||
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I don't understand why people go afk after signing in for a game, I assume you know what you've signed in for, no? This game wouldn't have ended this quickly if there weren't 2 modkills :/ (or was it 3? Don't want to search for it T_T) | ||
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