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I'd say it will depend on the lurker ratio. But it's a small game, so I will agree we need pretty low lurker tolerance. Anyone played with each other before I played my first game with Blurry and Bereft. Blurry played a solid town, I would expect him to do the same here. | ||
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Bereft and Blurry were town and I was mafia. So regarding Blurry, he's very reasonable, gives good imput, but keeps a rather conservative position. He was killed night1 so, I only know his day1 play. The spectators agreed that he was the "obvious" lynch choice, because he played good town (which wasn't that obvious to the players). I would expect of him to play a good townman here as well. Bereft has the right intention, but he was quite busy, so some decision came hasty. I would expect him to play active, calling players out who are not activly participating and pursuing town goals. So, assuming that both are town, I'ld say we have good chances. Even if they aren't town, and they are participating well it's an advantage. | ||
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 have you participated in games before this? What are your experiences with tl mafia games? | ||
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Now after 24h you should write more than 1 liners. Zaragon: has my strongest town read so far. Blurry is really falling behind expectation, that's weird. You really should post more. lurkers:Jayte, xIvanJ You both have to participate way more. Stormtemplar is to me the most suspicious. He has 3 posts, 2 of which are about the lurker topic, and then the only relevant post @Zaragon: I agree on bereft, he's been active, contributing and putting out strategy ideas and generally behaving as one would expect a townie to behave. I also feel the same as you about heavenz: we just don't have enough to get a solid read one way or the other. Playerboy though, I'd like to hear more about this. What makes him seem town to you? I'm not really getting much one way or the other. Also, with you all on Jaytee. Where'd he go? He was clearly here, so why the disappearance? Simply going inactive is a classic inexperienced mafia behavior, and at best he's an inactive townie, which is not good for us. Obviously he's done nothing scummy, but doing nothing is itself kinda scummy. He needs to show up and post so we can get some reads. While this isn't a scummy post in itself, but it's not useful either. He just joins in on Zaragon's reads, and calls out a lurker. Asks Playerboy on his ideas (probably so he can just join them in again, if they find appeal, and again gives zero reads from himself). Imho scummy. | ||
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On September 26 2013 16:26 MLuneth wrote: Time for my first scum read: heavenz I think he is scum because:
I appreciate your efford, but I disagree. I am sharing my advantage of knowing how Blurry and Bereft play with you. Even if they are mafia, they now have to fake participation, because otherwise it would be obvious to me that they are playing completly different than in their game where they were town. I wanted you to know this too. I know in the guids it's written that 1 liners clog up the thread are a mafia tell, however I straight out think that wrongs, and at least do newby games it doesn't apply at all. We have not even 8 full pages... that's nothing. Even 1 liners have an opinion and thus are better than nothing, also 1 liners can create discussion. You are implying that the lurker has to be town, when that isn't necessarly the case either. It's a scum tell if someone doesn't participates at all. And we don't necessarly have to lynch a lurker. Anyway brining the lurker discussion still up is distracting and thus scummy. | ||
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On September 26 2013 17:25 MLuneth wrote: It's true that we could get lucky, but I feel that it's rather unlikely as Ask yourself, how is that helping town what you're doing. | ||
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On September 26 2013 21:34 BajaBlood wrote: Both Jayte and xIvanJ are lurking, but there's two reasons for my apparent favoritism: (1) When I wrote to defend Jayte, it was well under 24 hours since the game started. Since at that point I didn't know people's typical active times, I figured there was a chance he would become active in the next short period. It'd been a full 24 hours since the game opened when I brought up xIvanJ's inactivity - whatever his schedule is he should have had a chance to contribute by then. (2) Not only has xIvanJ only written one post, I don't like it's content either. Whether or not we actually execute a policy lynch, I dislike stating that we should tolerate lurking; there has to be pressure on lurkers. This isn't set in stone, but for now I'm gonna ##Vote: xIvanJ. Jayte didn't really take advantage of the window of time I offered him in (1), and the second post he made wasn't particularly helpful. As it stands, I don't really care for Jayte either, but I'm not going to go back on my gut just because I've been accused of unreasonably defending him. For now, I will sincerely hope for some good analysis from xIvanJ so that I can remove this vote. I would advice to vote for Jayte assuming that xIvanJ get's modkilled or replaced. | ||
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On September 26 2013 20:57 stormtemplar wrote: Darn it playerboy, why did you have to go and post all that good analysis and make me look like an idiot for saying you don't post much useful information. what are the parts you think are good of playerboys list? | ||
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Secondly, I've been trying to contribute but I haven't had much in the way of reads previously. At the time I really wasn't feeling anyone as scum, and Zaragon pretty much summed up my views. then he tries to get some profil by disagreeing on playerboy However, as to your point about me just joining Zaragon on playerboy, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not really feeling zaragon's read on him. I'm not getting solid town vibes out of him at all. He's contributed rather minimally. (7 of his posts are 1-2 lines with maybe a quote.) then later playboy makes a post about everyone with mediocre content, more summary then analysis and stormtemplar is + Show Spoiler + Darn it playerboy, why did you have to go and post all that good analysis and make me look like an idiot for saying you don't post much useful information. I found that suspicious right away so I asked him right away what he thought were the good parts, and no answere. like wounderboy said, and playerboy agreed + Show Spoiler + I appreciate it, and I really like that you don't trust me right of the bat just because I wrote a massive wall of text, I would have questioned you if you weren't being cautious. should not same be said about stormtemplar, that's why I call it fake participation and scummy ##vote stormtemplar | ||
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Me, Bella24, Zaragon, onlywounderboy, good: Baja Blood, Jonny Law Suspicious Stormtemplar,Mluneth (100% of his posts are suspicious, but that's so over the top that it would be odd if he was mafia) I wouldn't be surprised if there was a playerboy & stormtemplar mafia. Afk: Bereft, Blurry, xIvan, Jayte Actually I think Jaytes post 2nd and last post The last point you made would only be true if all the scums are active and are not lurkers. makes him even more suspicious, like he's claiming mafia. | ||
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I don't have the same impression of Jayt and ivan. Anyway 4 afk's is just crazy. | ||
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1. he's active in the beginning with 1 liners, to start discussion and avoid lurking 2. when you question him about this he answeres explaining himself + Show Spoiler + I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now: Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread. playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future. then he makes his vote post because he has to go and goes with one of the afk/s which is kinda a safe bet to vote on. + Show Spoiler + Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic. What can I say I don't know if he's really town, but he seems reasonable and constructive to me. I also don't think you're suspicious. Like I said too I don't want to vote Blurry or Bereft. From the active players Stormtemplar and Mluneth are suspicious then we have still Jeyte and xIvanJ, I would be willing to vote them too though | ||
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##vote mluneth | ||
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we have 4 people not voting tonight | ||
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Zargan, that you indirectly imply that I mistook his word for what it was and not a silly joke on purpose makes you scummy. onlywounderboy is certainly Mafia btw I was roleblocked In what order are the nightactions processed? First town or first mafia? | ||
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so it's 4 to 3 already, I honestly don't see much point in this game. onlywounderboy is mafia, I'll vote him tomorow | ||
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this guy's posting has been waaay subpar, especially coming from a TL writer! i want to call out this post in particular: Show nested quote + the threatened lynch on lurkers should make you one to SPEAK UP if anything, not post pointless one liners. also calls playerboy's post "great analysis", which i believe others have called out as well. what exactly did you find great? he hasn't clarified this but says he will. i'll be waiting to see what he says. his vote on blurry also seems like a 'safe' vote, in that other players (myself, zaragon to name a few) have already tossed blurry's name about as someone whose current posting is deviating from his pro-town posting in previous games. right now, i say wonderboy's a pretty decent candidate for the lynch. I don't think much has changed, besides ofcourse that bereft died | ||
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this guy's posting has been waaay subpar, especially coming from a TL writer! i want to call out this post in particular: Show nested quote + the threatened lynch on lurkers should make you one to SPEAK UP if anything, not post pointless one liners. also calls playerboy's post "great analysis", which i believe others have called out as well. what exactly did you find great? he hasn't clarified this but says he will. i'll be waiting to see what he says. his vote on blurry also seems like a 'safe' vote, in that other players (myself, zaragon to name a few) have already tossed blurry's name about as someone whose current posting is deviating from his pro-town posting in previous games. right now, i say wonderboy's a pretty decent candidate for the lynch. I don't think much has changed, besides ofcourse that bereft died. | ||
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then again, I share berefts thoughts on wounderboy, and have to agree with playboy that he never participated in anyway in a analysis of a player he thought was scummy. He just posted like I feel bad about him, but never bothered to do dig deeper. | ||
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Not Voting: Not voting (4): Blurry, xIvanJ, Jayte, MLuneth he didn't vote either bro Even though playboys defences seem to be a bit over top, but perhaps he just likes to talk about himself. Either way, why I belive that he's town is his strong urge to lynch onlywounderboy from day1 on. Onlywounderboy was a more valid choice to lynch then than I realized. Given all that, I think it's a town attribute to try to still kill that target since he didn't improve any further. Ofcourse the impinion on him varies with the outcome of the lynch. I don't see you suggesting anything better right now. | ||
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I was roleblocked, probably because my d1 was far better than d2, admittedly, my cases today were horribly, I tried to look through, but somewhat failed. So I falled back to the cases that bereft made, who is confirmed town, and what his opinion is, and he called out this wounderboy as a good lynch, and since nothing big in that regard changed, I wanted to make a case against him. Playboy who I was suspecting made much more sense to me due to several reasons, mostly his voting behavior was true to all his statements, and he feels like he seriously want to figure stuff out. What else can I say, I really like balla's posting and it will be impossible for me to tell if he is scum or not. Getting a read on this Jonny guy is impossible for me either. So yeah, I know not much, and my opinion changes a lot these times. I am not sure how you attribute that as scum however, as scum I would know who everyone is and just could have a set opinion on someone. Ya.. | ||
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goon roleblocker gf and with bereft using his roleblock before he died there were supposed to be 2 roleblocks. I am convinced that playerboy is town, I am town too. I suggest you look at JohnnyLaw and Balla24. | ||
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On September 30 2013 07:46 Koshi wrote: Bella Why did you vote for heavenz. Like what is there not to believe about a RB? Why did you think Heavenz claimed RB. Heavenz Why didn't you claim RB instantly? You could have been seen as probably town from the start of the day. I didn't feel like posting in the nighttime | ||
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On September 30 2013 08:23 Koshi wrote: How do you know how the scum team looks like? It could be something totally different. I was talking to the cop tho to find out | ||
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On September 30 2013 08:29 Zaragon wrote: Night Koshi, thanks for contributions. I guess there can be no doc role in this setup then? Which makes me comfortable to say my town check was JonnyLaw. can you detect gf in this setup? | ||
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Let's take a look at the voting. Day1 BajaBlood was going with his vote right of the bat for xIvan. I doubt any mafia player would just start bussing his teammate in a situation like this when there are 3 other afk players. He was away on day2 and now, but this is a big town tell for me. The afk wave: Playerboy is voting for Jayte , Zaragon for Blurry, Onlywounderboy on Blurry, Baja switches to Jayte, Bella for Blurry JonnyLaw and I start talking about the point that it's more value to not lynch someone who's afk (and eventually be modkilled / replaced) He votes for Stormtemplar, Heavenz too The votecount is as follows then: Blurry (3): Zaragon, onlywonderboy, Balla24 Jayte (2): playerboy345, BajaBlood stormtemplar (2): JonnyLaw, heavenz xIvanJ (0): BajaBlood playerboy unvotes and votes on onlywonderboy, Stormtemplar on Blurry, Bereft on Jayte Then Zaragon posts this and starts the lynch train on Myluneth Got caught up in an intriguing conversation with a friend, now the hour is late. MLuneth is the only person who has posted considerable amounts that I would vote for. I don't know if he's bad town or scum either, it's strange to assert himself like he does as either town or scum and then not to be responding now. Feels like scum constructing a case and dropping off at suspicions. I wanted to push Blurry to contribute, he hasn't. I'm comfortable switching off him for now since he doesn't even seem to be coming in to vote. ##Vote MLuneth Since he had some suspicious posts which I mentioned and general consent that he was weird , and it was the generall consent that Zaragon is towny, Jonnylaw on MLuneth I want to call this guy scum from my gut. I really, really want to do it. But re-reading his posts just make me think he's a bit hasty and not scum at all. There are grammatical errors, shortened words and that half written post he managed to post. I dunno, he doesn't feel like mafia at this point in the game. My take on the case: I also don't think you're suspicious. Like I said too I don't want to vote Blurry or Bereft. From the active players Stormtemplar and Mluneth are suspicious then we have still Jeyte and xIvanJ, I would be willing to vote them too though Strong town read on: Me, Bella24, Zaragon, onlywounderboy, good: Baja Blood, Jonny Law Suspicious Stormtemplar,Mluneth (100% of his posts are suspicious, but that's so over the top that it would be odd if he was mafia) I wouldn't be surprised if there was a playerboy & stormtemplar mafia. This is where I failed, I think Jonny failed there too. Both of us acknowledge that Mluneth is somewhat scummy, yet both of us also acknowledge that he's probably town. What we can see is the vote swing now: Jonny and I don't want to lynch lurkers as it wouldn't really give us something, Zaragon who is playing cleanly suggests Myluneth, and time is short, we are not going to get more votes on Stormtemplar. My priority was to keep Blurry alive too, I was willing to vote some afk, but time was short, Blurry was set, we didn't get majority on Storm, I followed Zaragon on Mluneth, in the hope that his read was better than mine. Jonnylaw votes Myluneth, Heavenz votes Myluneth Bella24 votes for Myluneth Myluneth get's killed and is 1shot vigi. final votecount: Blurry (2): Jayte (2): stormtemplar (0): xIvanJ (0): onlywonderboy (1): playerboy345 MLuneth (4): Zaragon, JohnnyLaw, heavenz, Balla24 From this everyone should be able to draw some conclusion for himself, I want to point something out too. Balla24 @JonnyLaw I'm not sold on stormtemplar's behavior being scummy. I would like to both hear more from you about it on why you think his posts have been scummy and also stormtemplar's defense. But at this point I'm not really reading scum from his posts besides the fact that he hasn't really shared tooo much about his reads and has just been going off of others. At least he is disagreeing with people which I like. EBWOP: oh they aren't going to vote probably so they will get modkilled, my bad! In that case I will wait a little longer. I'm not feeling stormtemplar as scum still. Jonnylaw can you please elaborate on why you think he's scummy? Ugh sorry I got distracted in some SC2 games, didn't expect this much to happen, let me see if anything would change my mind. MLuneth was suspicious to me before but it didn't seem like anybody else agreed except Zaragon. I would be comfortable lynching him rather than stormtemplar, but I still think we need to be looking at these inactive people and not relying on the modkills. My take on the thing: you're acting as if mluneth isn't an afker, not voting = modkilled/ replaced... we have 4 people not voting tonight Playerboys I'm not too comfortable with the MLuneth lynch to be honest, I really don't get that much of a scum read from him :/ Balla24s @heavenz yeah but he's less of an afker than the rest.. it's impossible to make a vote when all the suspects are fucking afk T_T Read Balla24s defense, he was not willing to argue on Stromtemplar in the least. I would be comfortable lynching him rather than stormtemplar, but I still think we need to be looking at these inactive people and not relying on the modkills He even would rather go for the away player even though we mostly agreed that it would be a useless lynch. All to deviate from Stormtemplar. Note how Stormtemplar voted for Blurry, didn't participate at all in the discussion. (Bella24 on his 1. nightpost after the lynch) I'm still not very convinced about stormtemplar. Waiting for his defense, he was here recently and should definitely be posting his defense. Hopefully, if he is scum, we can see some holes and I can hop on board the jonnylaw/heavenz train. Day2 Stormtemplars defense; he posts a list with the names of all active players and a sentence to each, then this. As for the attacks on me, I do agree that I need to play better and this post is an attempt to do so. Still, I think some of the analysis of my actual posts is off the mark. I especially find it odd that someone criticized my lack of contribution, then when I pointed out my feelings about playerboy he claimed I was trying to distract the discussion. It seems a little contradictory to claim I didn't read enough, then when I do, that I'm just trying to distract the discussion. Further: EBWOP: One thing to mention is that blurry said he'd post reads of everyone before the night is out, and we have two hours to go and still nothing. He could post in the next two hours, but if he doesn't I'd be rather suspicious. then Balla24's next post is: Alright it's the end of night 1 and still nothing from Blurry (who said he would post a full analysis by the end of the night) and the other guys, xIvanJ and Jayte. Playerboy quotes the guys on the bandwagon too, (Zaragon, Balla24, onlywonderboy) with this question These three vote for Blurry, why? Zaragon votes him based on Blurry's meta. In the previous game Blurry had a good opening post much like in this game, the difference between this game and the previous game is that in the previous game Blurry continued to contribute and in the current game he didn't. This is just such an easy thing to pick on - the reason that he hasn't really contributed that much is because he has been inactive. onlywonderboy picks it as a safe bet because he won't be able to be online for the deadline. I don't understand why Balla24 is voting for Blurry here though, he didn't seem all that interested in Blurry before, so why pick him over Jayte/xIvanJ who are just as inactive as Blurry. Playerboy does some quality work unlike the rest of the guys who lazy sit back and write a line to each player once a day Also note that Balla24 switches his vote to MLuneth aswell. He says he's the only suspicious person besides the afkers, while I can agree that his posting was indeed odd, it doesn't explain his sudden switch. He agrees with BajaBlood: On September 27 2013 06:53 BajaBlood wrote: Yes, in his other game (as scum) he was very sheepy early on until he started getting accused, then got aggresively defensive (think the word they used in the thread was 'shitflinging', lol). Whereas in this game, he's making reads right off the bat and playing much more in-your-face. I think his heavenz read was terrible, and a number of his other posts (including the question) are bizzare, but I'm not reading it as scum yet. Plus if we keep him around and he is in fact scum I think we'll have an easier time classifying him then some other players What BajaBlood says is don't lynch MLuneth because if he is scum it'll be easy to tell. WHY DO YOU VOTE HIM IF YOU AGREE THAT LETTING HIM LIVE FOR ANOTHER DAY WILL MAKE IT EASY TO TELL IF HE IS SCUM OR NOT? I'm sorry but that just makes absolutely 0 sense to me. onlywonderboy: You say Blurry flew under the radar for you and that is why you voted him. Then what about the other inactives, you are not gonna tell me they didn't flew under the radar, right? So why DID you vote for Blurry? Were you in a hurry because you had to leave and left with a half-assed post? Or did you just decide to vote for him because your mafia teammates (assuming both Balla24 and Zaragon are scum) did so you could boost the votes in your favor? I don't got much proof and this is basically just theorycrafting but I think Zaragon/Balla24/onlywonderboy might be our scum combo. Let me know what you guys think. sadly you were slightly off bro, but at that point we weren't yet able to make the case against the scum. I am also not going to post all of Stormtemplars "defense". It was stuff like this, read his filter. Playerboy has been actively useless. The main two people he's called out have been zaragon and bereft, which is just odd. As I pointed out in my analysis, I'm really weirded out by the fact that he read me as stronger town then zaragon or bereft. As glad as I am to have someone coming to my defense, I just find it doubtful that someone could look at day one from and town perspective and hold that view. I almost wonder if he's trying to make me look guilty by association, or get town cred by defending me. I gotta say, it sounds ideal for him as mafia for him to unsuccessfully defend me, I flip town and he gets cred and Jonnylaw looks like scum for attacking me so much. However back to the voting, playerboy made a solid case, which was a bit off, zaragon was confirmed town, and he couldn't yet vote for Balla24. I pushed Onlywonderboy too, he hadn't contributed, and I didn't see that we get Stormtemplar against the will of Zaragon and Balla24, there was a chance that he was scum too, as even Bereft thought so. One more, in case you didn't had enough Alright, I wasn't posting to let the stormtemplar/jonnylaw conversation continue a little while. I wasn't digging stormtemplar for mafia, and i'm still not really sure. He responds to jonnylaw's pressure well IMO. I don't think he seemed angry and he brings up the point of him bussing playerboy early on (if both were mafia). both were pushing for me on day2, but everyone can see that in their filters. Day2 voting Stormtemplar for playerboy playerboy for onlywonderboy, bella24 for onlywonderboy, heavenz for onlywonderboy, Zaragon for onlywonderboy onlywonderboy for heavenz Bella24 unvote Jonnylaw for playerboy Bella24 for heavenz Final Votecount! onlywonderboy (3): playerboy345, playerboy345 (2): stormtemplar, JonnyLaw heavenz (2): onlywonderboy, Balla24 Blurry (1): Blurry Not voting (3): xIvanJ, Jayte, BajaBlood onlywonderboy, Vanilla Townie, was lynched! If we look again at the voting behavior we will see a exact repeat of day1. Stormtemplar votes away, with the lnych vote for playerboy and the afk when the voting/lynch time comes. Baja24 jumps on the lynch train and makes certain we get the misslynch I'm gonna put my vote on onlywonderboy (##vote: onlywonderboy), he needs to defend himself. If there is no defense in an hour or so I will remove for the time being and reconsider. I don't want to make the same mistake as last day so I'm going to be here the entire time. then votes me ##vote Heavenz I don't buy it, and I don't understand why you do Zaragon and after this goes through I'd like to hear why you buy it. Notice also how only Stormtemplar and Balla24 start accusin me of beeing sk, without there beeing any evidence that there is a SK (I don't think so) Bella24 I wasn't the deciding factor.. I was hoping that Zaragon would switch his vote to heavenz but I wasn't 100% sure on onlywonderboy, I wanted to vote him so that he would defend himself and we could clear himself but I still wasn't sure he was town... with his flip we can go after heavenz and playerboy... both were pushing OWB pretty hard and both are scummy. calling your vote not the deciding factor is nice. Better make sure the lynch train is going and then having "not the deciding vote". I'm still not sold on the fact that Heavenz isn't scum just because he was roleblocked, especially when we know it wasn't a mafia roleblock. You all saw how "fuck it all" he was when he got roleblocked. I'm scared of SK and he's the only one who seems like an SK at this point mafia trying to make town belive in SK to stop the scumhunt. 3rd Point, the Roleblock What we know: Bereft was Roleblocker. What we can safly assume (going by the Mafia given roles, Goon, RB, GF): The Mafia has a Roleblocker Who claimed beeing Roleblocked: Blurry, Heavenz We have no evidence of a 3rd Roleblocker. Stormtemplar Ah, alright, didn't know if an unclaimed should come out. I will then: I'm a town roleblocker, I suspected heavenz and playerboy night one, and decided to block heavenz last minute over playerboy. Bella24 regard Stormtemplar You haven't been under suspicion for a while now, and you claiming that you roleblocked heavenz makes perfect sense. I 100% believe you. It is an easy thing to claim though so maybe we should re-think that. The fact that you even bring that up though makes me believe you even more. Truth. I belive him too, that he is a Roleblocker, I don't think he's town however. My day1 play was decent, I made some points, which I where further explained in this post. He decides to roleblock me. The Roleblock on Blurry makes on first glance no sense, but when we see that Bereft was the Roleblocker, and we know that both played in the last game too, where Blurry played endlessly better than he, he was suspicious of him "staying under cover" too and thus roleblocked him. The conclusion: http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/d/db/Invo_level_05.mp3 Point1. Day1 voting. 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Heavenz Who is the extra powerrole on town? When were you RB? Why did you wait so long to say something? 1) no clue 2) night one, was it long? I don't remember Also why is it strange that Bella wants to vote an inactive over Stormtemplar if Stormtemplar is a townread for him? coz they would get modkilled anywayheavenz If stormtemplar is a scum roleblocker the setup is TTTTBVC Remember that scum roleblocker does not give 2 extra B's in the draft. So that means that Bella24 is just a goon and not a GF for your theory. Which doesn't change anything. But it is interesting that you come to the conclusion that there is a GF. I wonder if this is a scumslip because stormtemplar is really a town roleblocker and you know there is a GF. You just swapped the names around. I don't know what the letters mean or how you know there is no gf. I was juding by my last game where we had GF,Framer,Goon | ||
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On October 01 2013 02:00 Koshi wrote: Bella, do you think jonny is godfather? this was my 2nd guess, Jonny GF and Bella goon, it's viable too. It's harder to make a case again, because the mafia played excelent then. | ||
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On October 01 2013 02:53 Balla24 wrote: Look here heavenz, http://wiki.mafiascum.net/?title=C9++ there can't be a GF in your case. Not that it will change your mind, but for future games so that you can be aware of how the setups work. ofcourse not. I don't really care about those letters, unless we know almost all roles they serve no purpose, If Zaragon would check you and tell me you're clean, and he can make a resonable post that it's impossible for a gf to exist then I wouldn't think you're scum. | ||
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On October 01 2013 03:24 Koshi wrote: We know all roles unless they lie about their role... storm claimed second town RB. Which has the lowest chance of happening. I almost want to lynch the guy. what role is bajablood then? Playerboy? | ||
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On October 01 2013 04:42 Zaragon wrote: That doesn't make sense heavenz. If you are town, Stormtemplar is 100% mafia to you.. Either as RB, or lying about RBing you so that instead Bereft did you and scum did Blurry. I think you are the mafia Roleblocker. Koshi, what would happen except nothing? They are just blocking each other from doing anything by targeting each other. No. I am town. Bella24 is 100% mafia to me. Stormtemplar is most likely mafia, but it could also be a JonnyLaw & Bella24 mafia. But yes you can read me, read my long post, I gave you my thinking process behind every action. The reason I don't belive that playboy is scum is because he played so agressive. It's much more likely that town is responsible for the misslynch then mafia (mafia just votes in away that it makes certain the misslynch happens), you yourself should know that, I would blame Myluneth on you, you made that shitty post blaming him even though you knew better. I wanted to keep Blurry/Koshi alive, that's why I had to switch. JonnyLaw switched because he didn't want a afk'er to die. That doesn't mean he is town though, well it means he's scum if Stormtemplar is mafia, but that's why I am unsure at this point. You shouldn't think in the "oh that was obviously a unlucky move, he must be scum" way. Look at what happened. Just read my long post again. Don't expect me to have 100% knowledge, my knowledge is based on reads, because I am not scum. When you know say "oh heavenz but on day2 you didn't give a fuck", that's true. I was really pissed that the game has again 4 afk players who not even vote. Look at Stormtemplar and Balla24 again, they blamed my aphatically play on beeing SK, which also makes no sense, or on me beeing mafia RB, like if' I'ld cry about that lol. I won my first game as scum, that would be retarded to play like that. yeah ask me more what you need to know | ||
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I don't see any scum team without bella24 working atm. Even now Stormtemplar is defending Bella24 right away. 1. The only three pairings I could be in are Me/Balla Me/Heavenz and Me/Playerboy. If you in any way think it's the latter two, kill the other guy, they'll flip scum and I'll prove to you I'm town the next night. As for me/balla, I just don't see that one. Balla is just so infinitely less scummy than the other two it's not funny. I mean I am fairly sure that Stormtemplar and Bella24 is the scum team, but there is a smaller chance that JonnyLaw and Bella24 is scum. I hope you (Zaragon) open your eyes and read what happned, btw if you weren't roleblocked, because I don't belive in a 3rd roleblock, then who did you check? I hope you checked me or bella24 | ||
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On October 01 2013 15:00 Zaragon wrote: Trouble is you had that sudden "onlywonderboy is certainly mafia" post, heavenz. And the one where you didn't seem to care about winning for town, anymore. You also asked, after saying you were roleblocked, in which order night actions were processed. As vanilla town I don't see your motivation to do that. Potentially soft-claiming a role is mainly only a good idea if you're mafia, and otherwise it could be interpeted as a scum RB slip. And you said "advantage of clearing playerboy" which you EBWOPed to "possibility", after suddenly town reading him when you had been at least somewhat suspicious before. So many things tell me Stormtemplar is scum, and you are, and playerboy. Balla strikes me, more than most people who have been in this game, as making newbie mistakes but doing few outright scummy mistakes. We have only 2 days of voting to go off of and he refused to follow the three most active players in the game on the vote last night, so I can't say he's a clearly sheeping scum either. If you are town, heavenz, I can understand if it looks like a relatively easy game from your perspective; it's not quite that clear cut from my perspective. I don't want anyone breezing through LYLO. Fight for the town, guys yeah I know, that was badly played, but I don't see how that makes me scum. I read him as town, but I was dissapointed by his progession, he only cared about himself, that annoyed me, that's why I just wanted to push him, but I should have realized that I got opposition from the scum, so I should have stopped before the end,.. I was just hoping he would really be scum. Mistakes were made. Btw, you keep looking at mistakes, that's not how you should play it. Look at the motivation behind the actions. 1) I wasn't the town leader 2) I wasn't convincing 3) It was really dumb, and I didn't care if you would have lynched me afterwards, coz the game with the ton of afk'ers felt like a waste of time so basicly it was really bad and risky. If I was mafia, I would feel beforehand if more players thought that he would be a good lynch, not 180 and go for it no matter what, and that on an unimportant target. I didn't cover myself in glory that day, but I made up for it. Either way if you consider Stormtemplar mafia you can't think that I am mafia too. Also this is my 2nd game, I claimed I was roleblocked because I was roleblocked (even stormtemplar attest it), I claim vt, coz I am, I never claimed anything else. I want to ask you a question. Consider my claim to be true for a second. Now make up reasonable mafia teams. | ||
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If you belive that Stormtemplar is mafia, it's stormtemplar and balla24, I just ask you to read my longer post again. You need to understand the this is not a rating of who is the most suspicious, we just have to kill the mafia. Read the last game, umasi was mafia, he wasn't suspicious at all. Playerboy mentioned that he played with Umasi in aonther game where Umasi was scum as well, you will not think he is mafia because he is more town than all of town. I don't have any connection or responsibilty for playerboy, on day1 I assumed that the mafia was playerboy & stormtemplar. I made a case with JonnyLaw on Stormtemplar and I made a case with Playerboy on Onlywunderboy. I think that Stormtemplar is scum, and when stormtemplar is scum he is scum with balla24. | ||
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The fact is that one mafia wasn't participating in the game ever, this means, everyone knows after it was discussed day1 that this person will be modkilled. So scum was basicly one down already, in what circumstance what you buss your teammate on day1 when you are already 1 man down, like... never? I mean mafia has to be retarded as hell to get lynched on day1. Balla24 defendes stormtemplar dispite everything, right away. I pointed those posts out, just read them. The goal of the mafia will be to surivve day1 with as few casualties as possible, it will make the game for them harder already having one guy modkilled, you wouldn't let the otherone go down carelessly. (reread my longer post). anyway for me this is an obvious vote ##stormtemplar | ||
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But I knew it was impossible to convince zaragon from the point that balla24 has to be mafia. Anyway I wouldn't have guessed you ever. It's quite sad that stormtemplar failed to do a roleblock, otherwise it would have been obvious that there was 2 roleblockers left, ... but then probably I would have been lynched lol. gg wp, was fun. I wish there would have been a way to convince that zaragon that balla24 was 100% scum, but I couldn't do it. Stromtemplar was no help either though. | ||
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anyway, playedboy played mafia like me lol, I should have seen it. Now I feel bad about that.. not that stormtemplar died though. | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:44 Balla24 wrote: you just need to work on explaining your accusations... the onlywonderboy thing killed you and I still don't know what happened there.. I can't really recall, I was just looking at the player names and I found owb play especially boring, and I thought maybe he would put up a good defence where he brings some idea who should be scum etc.. I am not going to say it's his fault, he was much more towny than I was. Next time when I am town I'll try to get me lynched before it's lylo ^-^ | ||
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On October 03 2013 07:54 Zaragon wrote: Might sign for the next one in a few days. I've enjoyed this one and Noir and could do another Newbie, but I'm a little demotivated for the moment loss is really not your fault, you played the best town by far. The rest of us town messed up. The problem with me and stormtemplar was bad, JonnyLaw was busy and not doing much. Also the draft was unprobably as fuck | ||
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On October 03 2013 08:11 Zaragon wrote: Thanks guys, we'll see I'm pretty sure scum played a better game here though yeah, everyone learned something though, non ? | ||
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