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Balla24
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On September 27 2013 12:30 Bereft wrote: also, is this game like 90% euros or something? there's like no one to play with me when i'm able to get on, and lots of posting when i'm at work  I think so T_T. I think there is a total of like... 3 or 4 NA players. Me, you, onlywonderboy(i think) and maybe someone else. | ||
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Onlywonderboy is feeling very scummy to me. He's overly defensive about a small detail and wayyy to conservative with his posts/reads. He is being directly asked for reads an isn't providing anything. Let me know what you guys think... i'll be back in ~10 hours. | ||
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Balla24
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I'm not too comfortable with the MLuneth lynch to be honest, I really don't get that much of a scum read from him :/ Right now i'm more interested in Bajablood, and I was just pressuring you so that you would actually post your reads. I'm pretty neutral on you. Bajablood keeps saying he's busy, and I believe him, but he also keeps saying he's going to do things and then doesn't do them. Not that my opinion on this matter is new, but i'd just like to reiterate it so that maybe you (Bajablood) can make some time when you get back from work after day post to post some analysis. | ||
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On September 28 2013 06:57 playerboy345 wrote: Also note that Balla24 switches his vote to MLuneth aswell. He says he's the only suspicious person besides the afkers, while I can agree that his posting was indeed odd, it doesn't explain his sudden switch. He agrees with BajaBlood: What BajaBlood says is don't lynch MLuneth because if he is scum it'll be easy to tell. WHY DO YOU VOTE HIM IF YOU AGREE THAT LETTING HIM LIVE FOR ANOTHER DAY WILL MAKE IT EASY TO TELL IF HE IS SCUM OR NOT? I'm sorry but that just makes absolutely 0 sense to me. I wouldn't call my switch sudden. I started off that morning describing why I thought MLuneth was suspicious. During the voting process, we were at a point in time where people were saying that Blurry, xIvanJ and Jayte were going to get modkilled for sure. I was agreeing with Bajablood on this post: On September 27 2013 06:42 BajaBlood wrote: My read on Mluneth actually leans towards him being a misguided townie. It's not the most urgent topic we have right now since he doesn't seem to be at the top of the list, so I will write up why I think this sometime soon. But I don't think he should be the lynch candidate of the night. However not on the last sentence obviously since I ended up voting him. At the time of my EBWOP with the vote (i had meant to vote in my previous post already) I hadn't even seen the post that you quoted and was simply posting what was going through my head. In the end, I decided to vote him because I thought he was scummy (for the reasons I had opened the morning with), nobody else appeared scummy and the inactives were going to get modkilled. Like I said, it probably would have been better to go for a no-lynch (not probably, for sure would have been better) but I chalk that up to inexperience. | ||
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Balla24
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I want to bring up the first posts of his where he brings up playerboy: + Show Spoiler + However, as to your point about me just joining Zaragon on playerboy, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not really feeling zaragon's read on him. I'm not getting solid town vibes out of him at all. He's contributed rather minimally. (7 of his posts are 1-2 lines with maybe a quote.) This is his one good post, but it's not really doing much more then throwing around short opinions on jonnylaw's reads. There is that one bit of really weird logic at the end (It's scum because any non-scum asking that question must be a town roleblocker, therefore they wouldn't post it? Kinda shaky and weird.) This is after he has been pressured by Heavenz already a little bit. He appears neutral on playerboy, he seems like he doesn't want to commit to him being town but doesn't want to push him too hard here. Only after he has multiple people on him (Heavenz, Jonnylaw) does he really turn the heat up on playerboy. IMO, this could conceivably be a bus, albeit a bad one. With all that being said, I don't think it is. Playerboy and stormtemplar's posting angles have been completely different, althought stormtemplar has been under pretty heavy pressure all game long so he's been focusing on defending himself. I don't think they are both mafia (either one or the other), but I definitely don't want to leave the possibility off the table that they are. One last thing on the stormtemplar/playerboy subject (and another reason I don't think they are scum together). Stormtemplar completely dismisses playerboy's recent post as scum without even a second thought (more on my thoughts on the post later) just because he goes against Zaragon. No elaboration here, but he continues to call him useless even though playerboy's post at least brings up something that was relevant at the time, the voting patterns. Now let me preface this by repeating the fact that I believe I made a mistake in voting on day 1, I should have voted for a no-lynch when everything came to pass, and I definitely should have noticed the blue claim. We've talked about it already and both Zaragon and I have given our reasoning. I find it odd that playerboy pretty much disregards what we said during the night and looks only at the day 1 events. But that could also just be good town play by not letting possible scum targets talk their way out of a slip. I think the post had good-intentions by looking at the voting pattern objectively and finding mob voters but the end of that day was hectic and I don't think you are taking that into account. I'm not sure what the angle would be as scum to post that though (i'm tired as fuck right now and i've been re-reading everything in night1 for ages), maybe to discredit Zaragon and I as townies since we got a blue role lynched. I'm gonna give it some more thought and definitely need to see more opinions on it when I have a fresh mind. Lastly, I've been looking through filters for any kind of alliances or non-alliances whether they seem scummy or not (meaning I wasn't looking at content for scumminess, just rather who has disagreed/agreed with each other). Jonnylaw and Heavenz Stormtemplar or Jonnylaw Stormtemplar or Playerboys Zaragon and Jonnylaw Zaragon or Bajablood Heavenz and onlywonderboy Maybe it can be helpful or maybe not. Just thought it would be interesting to see. Unfortunately it's getting late so I'm going to have to leave it at that. I was going to look at each of these pairs and see how they fit with the Bereft kill. But at first glance, it looks like Bereft might have just been a "strong-townie" kill that was not likely to be healed by doc since it was quite obvious that Zaragon was going to receive the heal. Looks like a safe kill. Anyways, I'm tired as fuck and this probably doesn't even amke any sense so goodnight T_T. | ||
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Balla24
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On September 29 2013 05:00 onlywonderboy wrote: Alright, heavenz calling me out with no facts leads me to believe he is scum. Seems like he's soft role calling Town Cop when he isn't one. His posts just come off as "I have insider information, trust me." With the format of the game we may not even have a Town Cop. If he's going to post that he is certain someone is scum he needs to provide his reasoning for why upfront. I kind of picked up the soft-claim at the beginning of the day, but you're not really thinking this through. What he said later contradicts the "soft-claim" directly. He claimed he was roleblocked and THEN called you out for being scum (with no evidence, yes). There's no way he's town cop, and your post kind of gives me the feeling of you mis-evaluating the situation and trying to get the cop to come out as scum so that you can kill him the next day. However, he does need to come forward with his reasoning for accusing you On playerboy: His big post is now irrelevant with Zaragon's cop claim, I would have liked to have other people's opinions on everything said in there besides my own and Zaragon's but I guess we can move past that now. I am very interested to hear your (playerboy's) reads and defenses now that your theory has been refuted/debunked. On Jonnylaw and Heavenz: I previously said that these guys were agreeing a lot and could possibly be a mafia pair. This was due to their reads on day1 and also their voting pattern: they both initially went after stormtemplar and then switched in a very close time period to MLuneth. Their styles on day 1 were also very similar, it was mostly "feelings" on stormtemplar and when I asked them to elaborate they weren't really able to point out anything super scummy about him. Feelings are good in this game, especially on day1. Today, Jonnylaw is bringing up good points about playerboy, but he disregards the major post of playerboy's as if it was irrelevant. I would have liked him to post his thoughts on that instead of just previous interaction of playerboy/stormtemplar. It's this kind of tunnel vision that i'm worried about. How do your thoughts change when you take into account that post? Is everything he did in line with how you thought of him before? Heavenz, however continues the same way he did on day1, off of feeling and still no real evidence. This series of posts from Heavenz particularly baffles me: + Show Spoiler + On September 27 2013 06:28 heavenz wrote: ok, onlywounderboy is behaving pro town because he explains himself and acts accordingly. 1. he's active in the beginning with 1 liners, to start discussion and avoid lurking 2. when you question him about this he answeres explaining himself + Show Spoiler + I think I got scared into writing one liners due to people claiming we were going to lynch non-active people. But, tis true, I should have transitioned into writing more useful posts. This is still my first game so I'm trying to take a lot of it in. I have pretty much zero knowledge of everyone in this game so getting a read off of people on a relatively few number of pages is proving more difficult than I had hoped. That said, stand outs right now: Jayte: Joke post to start off the game, hasn't contributed anything of value. Isn't trying to cause chaos in the town, but his absence is questionable. Mentions being busy with work, could just be throwing that out so we don't seem suspicious MLuneth: Had that odd question to start, could have easily asked a coach instead of putting it in the thread. playerboy: Great analysis of all the players. But, imo, it seemed like a post that was trying too hard to put the spotlight on "Hey, look, I'm helping the town!" I'm definitely not saying he should be a candidate for the first lynch, but just something to keep in mind in the future. then he makes his vote post because he has to go and goes with one of the afk/s which is kinda a safe bet to vote on. + Show Spoiler + Unfortunately I have to be getting to work, so I'll miss any last minute deliberations. I'm going to have to ##Vote: Blurry. He's had plenty of time to defend himself so I'm not sure a least minute appeal would change my mind. He sorta flew under the radar for me, but people have pointed out his lack of contribution I agree it seems problematic. What can I say I don't know if he's really town, but he seems reasonable and constructive to me. I also don't think you're suspicious. Like I said too I don't want to vote Blurry or Bereft. From the active players Stormtemplar and Mluneth are suspicious then we have still Jeyte and xIvanJ, I would be willing to vote them too though On September 28 2013 16:32 heavenz wrote: if he were town he wouldn't have such issues answering simle questions and didn't have to come it with excuses "was joke soso, low battery can't post, plx no kill me, i post moar i swears" Zargan, that you indirectly imply that I mistook his word for what it was and not a silly joke on purpose makes you scummy. onlywounderboy is certainly Mafia btw I was roleblocked In what order are the nightactions processed? First town or first mafia? He says onlywonderboy is town and gives his reasons for it and then suddenly switches completely 180 degrees and accuses him of being scum with no reasoning whatsoever. Are you getting sloppy and giving less of a fuck? I've never seen a switch so sudden. To zaragon: I'd like to hear your current thoughts on Heavenz and Jonnylaw. Really on everybody since you're likely to die tonight. But heavenz and jonnylaw are high priority to me right now, and you can save your reads on everybody else till nightphase. Also, no reason to reveal until nightphase unless you or they are about to get lynched. | ||
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Balla24
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On September 30 2013 02:53 Zaragon wrote: I almost forgot my mental note to look at this. 1 minute before deadline, just along with Playerboy and setting up for "if Zaragon survives the night". Then even an EBWOP to make light of it: And a couple of hours later, he didn't do that. Also, the post with the meta information on MLuneth, even if very good, was suspiciously timed (the 7 minutes until deadline I mentioned before). By that time the lynch was set. By itself, this doesn't mean anything, he could've not caught up to how fast people wanted to go MLuneth and not been worried until late. With another just-before-deadline post he looks suspicious in the same way playerboy does. Baja/Playerboy/inactive is now my biggest scum circle read. I'll check so I haven't missed something that contradicts them planning together. Thanks for that, I had stopped looking at Bajablood completely and he seems to just completely not do what he says hes going to do. This has happened multiple times and i'll refer back to a post that I did previously On September 27 2013 12:29 Balla24 wrote: I'm reading more into Bajablood's filter atm. He seems a bit sketchy. He's making empty promises: - Saying he will analyze Stormtemplar in the 20 minutes before vote and post his thoughts and then not posting anything about him. - Saying we had his full attention now that he was back from work and that he would post his thoughts on everybody when he has time. It's now getting close to sleep time for NA and still nothing (he is central time) I also agree with you though, he seems to be analyzing the lurkers a lot, which is somewhat helpful but not nearly as helpful as the rest of the stuff he says he's going to do but doesn't. I'm going to agree with you here on the Bajablood/playerboy pair. WTB some defenses T_T... | ||
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On September 30 2013 04:22 Zaragon wrote: onlywonderboy, do you have a defense? At this point, the most dangerous possibilities for me are heavenz using lurker factor to bring a scum win, possibly in conjunction with Playerboy. But both of them are contributing and reading town in many ways. A more subdued scum team is more likely to me by now. Tons of possibilities for lurker combinations but we have to disregard those I think. We get a lot of information tonight with an active target. Hopefully modkills sweep up foil targets and maybe even a scum or two. Jayte voted last night and Blurry did not, so for tomorrow depending on the landscape--good scum reads first obviously--prioritize a Jayte lynch if it comes down to a lurker. Assuming he will be modkilled last. Frustrating to depend on modkills but we have to. Jayte did not vote last night. I'm gonna put my vote on onlywonderboy (##vote: onlywonderboy), he needs to defend himself. If there is no defense in an hour or so I will remove for the time being and reconsider. I don't want to make the same mistake as last day so I'm going to be here the entire time. Heavenz to me right now is playing super dangerously both as town and as scum (sk or mafia). He's flip flopping a hell of a lot, claimed to be roleblocked (which to me signifies that he has a role) and is going after people with little evidence. He seems to be frustrated with the game. This could mean that he is mafia and has afk teammates which would fucking suck. Please people, if you are under suspicion defend yourself! If you are accusing people bring up why you think so. If you don't and you are town, then the game is lost. So far the only one who has defended himself is actually just playerboy, which is hilarious and confusing.. come on guys. | ||
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On September 30 2013 05:45 JonnyLaw wrote: Hey guys, the more I think about the more I feel like we're getting MLuneth2.0 by lynching onlywonderboy. I've been going over it my head and rereading his logs. He could be mafia but that's just not the feeling I'm getting. heavenz and playerboy seem much scummier in their posting. We're going lynch onlywonderboy for lack of content in a noob game? I dunno, give me some more reasons than that and I'm more than happy to hop aboard the lynch train. I'm gonna have to agree with you here, ##unvote. His defense, is again lackluster, the number of slip ups is considerate but he hasn't been changing up his play and I can't really pinpoint anything specific besides the Blurry vote on day 1 and even the most town people messed up their voting day 1. Like I said previously, Heavenz is playing very dangerously. His accusations are completely baseless and he continues to do so. Heavenz will be my end day vote unless something changes. | ||
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On September 30 2013 06:39 Zaragon wrote: Ok I'll buy it. Betting onlywonderboy. Wait i'm confused, why do you buy it? Isn't vt just vanilla townie? Why would someone claim that? Not too relevant to the game i guess but im just so confused right now. | ||
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I don't buy it, and I don't understand why you do Zaragon and after this goes through I'd like to hear why you buy it. | ||
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On September 30 2013 06:53 Zaragon wrote: Ah my first thought was vigi which could be proven in the night. I'm not sure, I just buy the possibility of a mafia roleblocker hitting heavenz since Bereft died and I wasn't roleblocked. playerboy hasn't said anything about roleblocking either. Of course, heavenz would know if there isn't a scum roleblocker in the game if he is scum... Ugh I don't know Who did you check? is it relevant? | ||
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On September 30 2013 07:49 Koshi wrote: Bella Why did you vote for heavenz when you can be the deciding factor between playerboy and onlywonderboy. Why not switch votes after you saw heavenz wasn't getting lynched. Did you think onlywonderboy was scum? Or that both playerboy and onlywonderboy were town? Tell me what you were thinking. I wasn't the deciding factor.. I was hoping that Zaragon would switch his vote to heavenz but I wasn't 100% sure on onlywonderboy, I wanted to vote him so that he would defend himself and we could clear himself but I still wasn't sure he was town... with his flip we can go after heavenz and playerboy... both were pushing OWB pretty hard and both are scummy. Heavenz didn't claim RB... he claimed getting roleblocked. I don't know how that tells us he is town. He says he is vt, but he seemed pretty pissed off that he was roleblocked, that's why I think he's scum. | ||
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On September 30 2013 08:21 Koshi wrote: What? You get RB message after the night? Like wtf? Is this the worst claim in mafia history? No I think he's saying that the day starts when he's asleep or something... i dunno | ||
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