Golden Sun: The Broken Seal Mini Mafia

On September 11 2013 02:22 Koshi wrote:
I am in love with kushm4sta.

On September 12 2013 07:20 Koshi wrote:

Search and destroy. I ll catch them. np.

On September 12 2013 07:20 Papa_Smurf wrote:


Why did you say kenpachi SnB? Does he go by a new name now?

On September 12 2013 07:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Hi I'm Grack and I am Town.

On September 12 2013 07:24 Papa_Smurf wrote:


ooooohhhhh me likes



Hence my name, Papasmurf.

I accidentally forgot to switch accounts when I did it lol

On September 12 2013 07:23 Koshi wrote:

How do you know I am town?

##vote StrongandBig

On September 12 2013 07:28 Grackaroni wrote:


@S&B I'm curious were you answering the above question saying that I do normally troll?

On September 12 2013 07:33 Koshi wrote:
Not having the best start SnB? D:

On September 12 2013 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:

I did actually troll in that game but I trolled/lurked into town draw. (Mattchew revealed the mafia) It seemed suspicious to me that you were mischaracterizing my play when I had just played with you in Game of Thrones where I didn't troll. But you being in the LI game makes sense.

On September 12 2013 07:40 Koshi wrote:

1) I didn't answer your entire question. The answer is: I make sure that it is crystalclear my target is scum.


2) unworkable is such a strange word. I just looked up if you ever used that word before on TL
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On September 12 2013 07:40 Koshi wrote:
The point of my above post.

SnB is feeling uncomfortable.

On September 12 2013 08:06 Grackaroni wrote:
@S&B: What do you think of Vayne's early defense of your play. Do you think he has valid reasoning for thinking you are town?

On September 12 2013 08:11 Koshi wrote:
PS: Where is your starsense that knew I was town D:

On September 12 2013 08:28 Koshi wrote:
This looks so much like Sicilian. I am leading SnB wagon of justice and VA his scumbuddy is trying to protect him. Could it be? Or not? Who knows. See what happens in the next episode "when Koshi wakes up".

gn

On September 12 2013 08:25 Grackaroni wrote:

You say interesting but it sounds like the implication you are trying to make is that it's scummy. What is scummy about it?

I wanted to know if S&B agrees with what you said about his meta and if he actually thinks you would be able to have such a strong read on him already as town. I never put much stock in my day1 reads, especially this early, so for somebody to come into the thread already certain about S&B's alignment seems scummy to me.

On September 12 2013 09:34 goodkarma wrote:
Hi guys

On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:

That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However,


This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling.

There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me.

On September 12 2013 09:39 goodkarma wrote:


I think it's quite silly.

On September 13 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is bad and wrong. We lynch people who are not willing to help town. Getting rid of distractions sooner is better than thinking if we can get rid of them anymore later on.

On September 13 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The post looks fucking good in filter because it describes my meta pretty well. It sounds good.
However, what's wrong in that post is:
1) it is not a read on me, it says "rayn is scum or is not", what's the point of that post?
2) the timing, people (you, sno, Koshi, etc) were discussing lynching me (serious or not). He pops in with a comment that says "yeah, rayn is hard to read, this stuff is odd", gives no definite stance on me, gives no real read on me. I know this shit. If i was a bad mafia player and got lynched today SnB would be the influence behind the lynch and nobody would ever be able to track that lynch back to him. I know this shit, that's what i do as scum. It's sneaky as fuck.
3) No explanation when asked, hit-and-run post, people forget those if it gains no momentum.

On September 13 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What's the point of bringing up my meta? Nobody even asked about it.. Does it prove something?
Yeah, it's okay to come up and give insight when someone is being discussed. If the insight however is "I dunno how to read this guy (with 100 words)" WHAT'S THE POINT?

On September 14 2013 04:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:


Aperture mafia FIRST POST!

Aperture mafia POST GAME (no reason to lie)!


If this is not a straight out lie i do not know what this is. There is no possible town!motivation for the lie.

On September 14 2013 00:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

lol.
1) never said your case is bad.
2) Never said SnB is town because you two are voting for him.
3) You start calling people scum when they disagree with you (ie dibbers/OP)

How do you expect people to play this game when you attempt to pre-emptively shut down any contribution they make? This is exactly how you got me mislynched in Persona so i suggest you check your play, Rayn.

Although I'm pretty sure this kind of play makes you town---I think it'd be really impressive if you could reproduce this play as scum. (On that note, in Rayn's recent scumgame, did he play this way? Does anyone know?)

Now if you calm your tits, I'll get to SnB.

On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes:

(1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"?
(2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia:
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This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game:
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Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB?
(3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions.

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(5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all..

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Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy.

On September 14 2013 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's another lie.

On September 13 2013 00:15 kushm4sta wrote:


Scum are given fake claims though!

On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage.

IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE....
Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it.

On September 13 2013 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Also, just from kind of reading/skimming the thread so far, I really think OP and Panda are both terrible lynches. They are not the kind of people who I think make good d1 lynches.
You don't lynch people who are vocal, not spamming, good players on D1. All my mafia experience has taught me it always ends up lynching potentially useful town. (see WoS lynch d1 in persona).

On September 14 2013 04:08 kushm4sta wrote:
Rofl rayne you do this every game. Contradiction does not equal scum. You get tunneled on people for terrible reasons.

Your tunnel on snb looks exactly like your tunnel on wos in persona. Did you notice that?

On September 14 2013 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That's what bothers me on blub lynch. There is no real case... It's a set of some posts which are not really scummy, they are just bad.

On September 14 2013 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

uhh.. you are seriously arguing lynching me over OP on D1? I mean, you have no reason to believe OP is town, and i am hard to read for you...

On September 14 2013 06:14 Zealos wrote:

He's clearly not scum~

On September 14 2013 06:35 Pandain wrote:


What about this Rayn? Isn't this inherently more suspicious than whatever you feel about OP?

On September 14 2013 06:42 Zealos wrote:

I still think this guy is scum. He's flipping from person to person who he feels are easy targets.

If you're gonna write lots, at least try to look like you're being useful~

On September 14 2013 06:43 Pandain wrote:
Look at the VOTES. They don't make SENSE. They are SUDDEN and LAST MINUTE, with those posts being out of the blue in regards to your filter. Doesn't mean they're all mafia but it indicates that OP is probably not.

SnB, me, Rayn, Zelos, Koshi are active. Without anyone pushing actively, Zealos isn't going to be lynched.
Will you switch your vote than to kush at 5 minutes before?

On September 14 2013 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah Pandain is either town or really good scum. I don't trust his read on kush / OP however.
SnB how am i OMGUSing?

On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hey guys

Posting from phone in class

Posting notes:
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Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.

My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.

I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.

One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads.

Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well.

Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning.

On September 14 2013 06:53 Pandain wrote:
I am more inclined to have someone vig Zealous instead.

On September 14 2013 06:55 Pandain wrote:
I don't know there's a chance Zealos is blue.
There's too much I don't know. I haven't looked at his prior games either really.

On September 14 2013 06:56 Zealos wrote:

+1

On September 14 2013 06:57 Pandain wrote:


This is too much to think about at the last second.

I'm simply not confident in Zealos right now. It's why I wanted to wait for more information.

On September 14 2013 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no, zealos has to be town, lynch OP1!!!

On September 14 2013 07:00 Zealos wrote:
Also, so casual OP switching votes while inactive in thread. Smooth.

On September 14 2013 07:07 Zealos wrote:

I'm pretty sure I'm dead?

On September 14 2013 07:12 Grackaroni wrote:

Yup, that last minute vote switch. OP wasn't even in the thread before he did that shit.

On September 14 2013 07:14 Old Partner wrote:
Alright, cover is blown. I'm obviously always available. Time to claim.

I'm Blazinghand. You know it's me because I used the word "Illegible" in this post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19725485 and that word is my watchword for how I refer to people. I'm also claiming Survivor. I voted Zealos to save myself. I did it because I didn't want to die. I figured as BH, the master of shenannies, I'd pull it off, and I did.

If you're going to vigi me, that's fine. But you should know the bullet is wasted. I will make this promise: I'll write a death post that will help town. If I get vigied, follow my reads. If I don't, i'll do my best to contribute before being policied tomorrow. Scum obviously won't shoot me, so my goal here is to help the town.

My survivor crumb is the bolded "S" in this post.

On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote:
I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch
I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it?

##Predayvote:OP

vigipls

On September 14 2013 07:17 Old Partner wrote:


Oh, gee, I'm sorry, was my SURVIVOR crumb not obvious enough to you? Look, there aren't other roles that start with S. I crumbed an S.

On September 14 2013 07:16 strongandbig wrote:
what is the q

On September 14 2013 07:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
OP's claim is bullshit I think. Unless BlazingHand is a character in Golden Sun?

Also I didn't see any particularly out-of-place capital S in that post but it was about 2000 words so I may just not have seen it.

On September 14 2013 07:21 Koshi wrote:
Ok I don't understand why OP (=BH) is claiming atm.

On September 14 2013 07:22 Old Partner wrote:


honestly it's my only option now. I'm probably getting policied anyways but scum sure aint shooting me. I have to do something to avoid getting lynched.

On September 14 2013 07:28 Grackaroni wrote:
God this game is a total shit show. BH being 3rd party could explain why votes were piling on him strangely. Pandain was the main person to push the votes off of BH and I still don't think Pandain could pull off such a convincing performance as scum.

On September 14 2013 07:31 Old Partner wrote:
In any case, as a final note, I don't WANT to hide tonight but I'm crazy, I'll use it N1 if I have to.

On September 01 2013 06:29 ShiaoPi wrote:

6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. Exception are Role PMs, which are free to be posted.

On September 14 2013 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote:


no I didn't but me and sn0_man talked about it briefly earlier in this game. I was just OMGUSing anyone that went after me since your job as town is just to live and I know scum like to target me as a mislynch.

lots of scummy people this game, is there a point to that question? I could direct you to lots of games where I have tons of scumreads. You would know from nuclear that I pretty much suspected everybody to some degree. Towns like this drive me insane.

On September 14 2013 10:04 Koshi wrote:

It's more about the fact that scum knew that it was allowed because they got fake role pms in their QT from hosts. I remember them being provided in Nuclear as well. So scum BH knew he was able to post roles.

If he was really survivor/town he would have assumed that it was not ok to post roles unless he actually read the rules and knew it was allowed. But in that case he wouldn't have to ask the hosts if it was allowed.

It is unbelievable/almost impossible that BH posted his role PM without checking if it was allowed. Nobody assumes that posting roles is allowed.

On September 14 2013 12:05 Pandain wrote:
Not gonna lie Rayn successfully made this thread turn to shit

On September 14 2013 12:29 Grackaroni wrote:

You think that both Rayn and BH look scummy.
Rayn was repeatedly pushing BH over Pandain when nobody was suspicious of BH. do you think that Rayn was actually bussing BH today or do you think that they both have things about them that are scummy but it is unlikely that they are scum together?

On September 15 2013 02:38 Zealos wrote:



Stop speaking in absolutes.
It makes you look very scummy.

On September 14 2013 07:17 Old Partner wrote:


Oh, gee, I'm sorry, was my SURVIVOR crumb not obvious enough to you? Look, there aren't other roles that start with S. I crumbed an S.

On September 16 2013 02:44 Old Partner wrote:
Ok, I'm back. Seeing that people might actually be interested in lynching someone else today has given me the realization that it's possible for me to live instead of dying (which would be awesome). I still have something to play for!

For all you guys who are criticizing my role PM, you guys are like literally retarded. Look, if you think I fakeclaimed Survivor as Scum, then that's fine. But if I did, you should probably assume I got my PM from the hosts. AND EVEN EVEN I MADE THE PM UP, why on god's green earth would I use a character not from Golden Sun? Look, I didn't play Golden Sun. I don't know who the Captain is. Apparently he's not important enough to be on the wiki page or whatever. But BUT BUT

If you think I made the Role PM up myself, do you really think I ACCIDENTALLY picked a 2-shot hiding ability? No, if you think I'm fakeclaiming, you MUST think that either

1) I am an SK with a 2-shot hiding ability, then HAPPENED to write my fake survivor claim PM in EXACTLY the same way that WoS's PM was.
2) I am scum who got survivor as one of the fakeclaim PMs from hosts in a game where there already is a survivor

neither of which strike me as particularly sensible. now, admittedly, 2 survivors in a game is pretty rare. But the idea that I ACCIDENTALLY faked a survivor claim perfectly? Jesus christ man.

And now that I've written it I've realized there's no chance to convince PS/DB anyways fack

On September 16 2013 05:33 Koshi wrote:

It's 50/50 unless you find a meta case or something.
He is being a annoying. But is he doing it as scum or as town?

On September 14 2013 05:35 strongandbig wrote:
k i would rather lynch zealos than kush if we're lynching someone who is not fully participating. zealos hasn't just posted very little - he did that in all three of his town games i looked at - but he's also barely engaged with anything happening in thread. And unlike kush, that's out of the ordinary for him. in his most recent game, half his filter was in code or some shit, but in both of his previous town games before that, he had short filters which nevertheless actually engaged the thread much more than he has here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378069&user=Zealos&view=all
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=zealos&view=all

On September 16 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He starts contributing or we lynch him tomorrow. I think his responses near the lynch were townie, but that does not make him totally town. Same can be said about Umasi (the contributing part).

On September 14 2013 06:42 Zealos wrote:

I still think this guy is scum. He's flipping from person to person who he feels are easy targets.

If you're gonna write lots, at least try to look like you're being useful~

On September 16 2013 05:39 Old Partner wrote:
like there are three possibilities here

1) i am survivor
2) i was given a fake survivor pm by hosts
3) i made up the pm entirely on my own

the point i'm making in that post isn't that #1 is true (though it is), it's that #3 is like profoundly stupid and anyone who things it should feel bad

On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night.

On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it.

I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today?

On September 16 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So SnB what does Zealos do as scum and how is it different from his town games?

On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:

Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right.

There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed.

btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others.

On September 16 2013 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think this game has 2 survivors + the night kill points towards SK. This game definitely does not have 2 survivors and SK.

Like, do you seriously think mafia hit WoS?

On September 16 2013 06:18 Koshi wrote:

Yeah totally.

Look at those first 2 days in aperture.

Rayn didn't say shit and town really won the game there.

On September 16 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:

This is such bullshit and such a cheap shot. Spewing bullshit like a monkey. Probably heard it somewhere else first?
Fucking back this up? You can't. Rayn post a lot but that is a quality IN BOTH ALIGNMENTS. Nothing else.

Fact that you can't keep up with it is your fault. Because you can't keep up. jubjub.

On September 16 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Another question to you SnB:
How do you go from this:


These are the things that make me think you are scum. You are just lying.

On September 16 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing i would like you to answer SnB. On D1 you started the wagon on Zealos. Remember what i said then? I said "yeah i would be okay with Zealos lynch". Your top scumread (me) at that time agrees with your lynch target, didn't that worry you at all? Why? What happened then, i never voted for Zealos. I voted BH instead and said Zealos is town later on. Why do you never bring this up, at any point after that in the game? Your top scumread was unwilling to vote for your other scumread while he before that said he would be okay with lynching them. How can you miss that kinda stuff if you are town? And if you didn't miss it why did you think it was not worth bringing up?

On September 17 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what was BH breadcrumbing SnB? You must have some idea.

On September 17 2013 02:46 Old Partner wrote:
Also 100% my role crumbs are never findable by people who aren't me. The very fact that you think you found a crumb that I didn't show you myself is evidence that it is not in fact the crumb. ok i stop posting now so you guys can play your game sry

On September 17 2013 02:51 Old Partner wrote:

Well it doesn't matter now but I'll admit I had zero plan of claiming Survivor ever this game. It's like almost never a good idea to do it. However, after realizing I had effectively broken smurf, I decided to claim, and fumbled around in my first post for something I could pass off as a crumb. It was an okay lie! plenty of people believed me, up until WoS died. I consider it a not-bad "Scramble" move all things considered.

In retrospect when playing 3p I should just crumb all kinds of shit so I have anything ready to go when I need it.

On September 16 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Umasi/Zealos/Snodude: I think one of these guys is scum. Atm i am leaning on Snodude. He has done absolutely nothing. Zealos has some posts that point towards him being town.

On September 17 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

What do you mean? The Zealos part?
He had some posts during the deadline that to me read like "lol, i got lynched, maybe? idgaf". I think that's townie.
On another note, i asked you some questions earlier, could you answer them?

On September 17 2013 02:39 strongandbig wrote:

Well, when I was talking about "difference in play" I mostly meant you. I'm basically trying to quantify why you felt so town to me in aperture and so scummy in got. For zealos I had only read town games of his and I had identified a difference in this game from how he'd been playing as town in recent games.


I'm pretty sure I've told you before, until someone flips I don't care if one scum read of mine agrees or disagrees with my reasoning about another one. There's always the chance I was wrong, there's always the chance scum are bussing or aren't, I don't care; it's never going to be reliable info until someone flips.

As for your votes on zealos: I have been trying for a while to get you to explain why you think he is town. I haven't heard anything but you keep insisting it. Seriously what the fuck is going on there?

At everyone else: I'm okay with killing BH. He's changed from "I'm going to find and kill scum, so don't kill me town" to "I'm going to find any scapegoat for a lynch". The lynch is never as set as he makes it out to be, we had no more active people last time than now and look how that turned out. Bh really isn't giving me a reason to not lynch him.

More importantly: I'm okay with lynching bh because I still don't believe his breadcrumb. I think it's way more likely he was breadcrumbing something else and decided to claim survivor to explain his vote jump.

On September 17 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote:


3 scummers. Fucking SK still alive.

On September 17 2013 07:22 kushm4sta wrote:
can you link or summarize the case against zealos?

On September 17 2013 08:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is a vigi, shoot Strongandbig, i guarantee you he'll flip scum!

On September 17 2013 08:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No, your D2 posts consist of pushing me (confirmed town) and questioning BH (that's shit).
You are scum. EZPZ!

On September 17 2013 08:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay, i'll still answer:
1) Simply wrong. There were people who were trying to figure out stuff. Me, Koshi, debears, kush, Oats come to mind.
2) Because voting ofr kush and him flipping town would look awful. There were townies already on blubbers, a lot of townies assume kush is town. I dunno, maybe kush is scum, who the fuck knows. Suddenly he looks a lot worse for his push on debears D2.
3) Yeah you are authentic. Just like in Sicilian. No i don't really know your meta, but you have not done shit this game.
4) No, my reasoning was something else. You are wrong.

On September 17 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
snb why zealos? just because he is inactive?

On September 19 2013 20:12 Zealos wrote:

Lol. You're such a dumbass. I literally have not debated the fact of whether or not the green land is gone. I've never mentioned land aristocrats or anything similar. I'm saying you're a fucking idiot to quote a statistic about the benefits of green areas in an attempt to prove that green areas in the country are being effected by increased housing.

User was temp banned for this post.

On September 26 2013 05:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i didn't expect mafia hits to be what they were.

And what happens? Idra loses 2-5. The white hope of the modern day and age losing to some random zerg player from China. If you can't beat him how are you supposed to beat progamers? I mean seriously the only games you won were games on two maps, Colosseum and Destination, maps that you've been practicing on 13 hours a day in the CJ Pro-team house with Koreans. Of course those are locks but the other five? Why did you lose Idra?

Well, luckily IdrA decided to tell us!



HEY MY OPPONENT IS SUPPOSED TO DO THIS BECAUSE THATS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AND I KNEW HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT SO I DID EXACTLY WHAT BEATS WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO BUT HE'S DUMB AND DIDN'T DO WHAT I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO COUNTER EASILY.

No Idra, he did what won. If he was dumb he would have done exactly what you wanted him to do...lol. After all this time in Korea you've only learned standard builds and haven't even opened your mind up at all? Makes sense I guess before you went to Korea you did the exact same builds every game in whatever matchup you were playing. You are playing against a Chinese random zerg kid not some CJ-house-team-B practice partner who does the same build against you every game. Get a grip, you weren't aware of what was going on that game and took your situation for granted, and you lost. You lost because you were fucking dumb.

more:


That's the point kid. Micro, scanning, and especially game sense wouldn't save any terran from that point. But any terran with micro, scanning, and game sense wouldn't have gotten into that situation anyways because they wouldn't be thinking like such a linear brained retarded fucking frankenstein and would assume that more is possible than what they think their opponent will probably do. No good terran would get in that situation. Do you think any korean progamer would lose to F91 in a series? LMAO.

Wait a second you said:


So he's an "ALLIN PLAYER" but he didn't do allin? Wait that doesn't even make sense. If he's an all-in player wouldn't he go all-in every game? That's the point of going all-in and having game sense. If you play the same way every game (LIKE YOU LOL) then you will be very predictable and people can easily take optimal openings vs. you. If you mix it up on the other hand you gain an edge because you're not predictable. Looks to me like he figured you'd just assume he's all-in'ing again and he'd exploit the fact that you're a dumb goon and do what crushes the terran counter to zerg-allin. Oh wait, thats what he did! You got played buddy. You got outsmarted. YOU sucked.

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Now he's really fucking with your head lmao. This game he does a build that will make you think all-in then delays it a bit to make you think he was just fucking with you again then he all-ins anyways a bit later. Hahahahaha he totally just leveled the fuck out of you. F91 is a fucking genius. U blow.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. What the fuck is skill then IdrA? Playing 13 hours a day raping B-team newb zergs all day who do the same fucking builds then going to the team bathroom with your laptop and jerking off to replays of yourself on the scummy progamer sperm encrusted toilet seat? OH MAN MY M&M RUSH TIMING IS SO SICK JUST LIKE MY JERK-OFF TIMING 14.8 SECONDS THEY'LL NEVER THINK I WAS BEATING OFF IN HERE O FUCK I GOT SOME ON MY SHIRT K GOTTA TAKE A SHOWER IN THIS PROGAMER PUBE CLOGGED BATHTUB SO I CAN COME OUT OF THE SHOWER WITH MY SHIRT OFF IN JUST MY TOWEL AND PUT IT IN THE HAMPER AND GET FRESH CLOTHES SO THEY DONT KNOW I JUST GOT PROGAMER SPERM ALL OVER MY CJ SHIRT CUZ I WEAR IT EVERY DAY IN 14.8 SECONDS DUE TO SICK TERRAN STIM PACK MASTERBATION APM.

Skill is what wins games. Period. Luck is part of starcraft. Maybe if you took risks and tried to exploit that fact sometimes you could actually win games.

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How does someone training with the CJ team get tricked by a dumb chinese zerg player who isn't clever and simply hopes? I mean seriously LOL he mind fucked you and you still can't even realize it after the fact. Ignorance isn't bliss. Ignorance will keep you in the CJ team B-house and off TV for another year until you finally realize it's time to pack your bags and get the fuck out.

All I'm asking of you, Idra, is to show some respect. Show some respect to the community, your team, the opponent that just raped you, and most importantly yourself by just frankly admitting to the fact that he outplayed you in the series and raped you straight up. No one is judging you saying F91 >>> you. F91 certainly was >>>> you that day and it was not due to luck. It was because he raped you. No one gives a fuck whos better between you and F91. You both fucking blow as far as anyone is concerned so don't worry about that.

I mean though I completely understand why Idra does what he does. Imagine a young lil nerd in USA in college playing BW all day with no life. Finally the chance of a lifetime: PROGAMING IN KOREA! Then he gets to Korea and after months on the team even the b-team practice newbies don't even want to play against him because he's so bad and its wasting their time to play him. Fine he was able to put that all behind him though because Estro managed to convince CJ to take him (CJ is more structured and strict so this wouldn't happen there). All the hype just got even bigger. The expectations rose from all his foreign fans. Then what happens? A year goes by and the only public game he's played in Korea was a prelim game where he got utterly raped by JulyZerg because even though his build was good, his execution against JulyZerg was just really bad. THEN another foreigner comes to Korea for a while and steals all his spotlight (which he was failing to live up to anyways). Now he's just been in a lull and we've heard nothing from him really for a while and finally he gets a show match against a chinese newbie where he can have some fun and win a little money in the process. Especially in his best matchup! Oh no I got raped 2-5 because I played like an idiot with no game sense!!! Fuck now everyones going to think I'm horrible NO I MUST DEFEND MYSELF I AM ESTROCJIDRAINKOREA I AM THE BEST FOREIGNER HE GOT PURELY LUCKY IF I PLAYED HIM 100 TIMES I WOULD WIN MORE THAN 50 FOR SURE I AM BETTER THAN HIM!!!!!!!!!! He's just insecure and it's rough on him that he's got all this foreign pressure to succeed and he's not living up to it at all.

Instead of acting like an insecure little faggot by continuing to throw out stupid posts about 'why you lost' just say GG well played and move on with your life. Even when I was in Korea and breakdown raped me I admitted the truth: that I played horribly. Sure I could have done better but I did play horrible and I did lose straight up. I admitted that fact and moved on with my life and didn't sit around trying to blame my opponent's stupidity for why I lost. I mean seriously how can you blame your opponents stupidity for why you lost that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard LOL. Thats like doing a big-time drug sale where the agreement is 'bring no weapons' then you show up there unarmed and get robbed. How fucking stupid can YOU be. If you wasted less time making excuses and put that time into improving as a player and figuring out how you could have won given the dire circumstances that F91's brilliance put you in maybe people wouldn't hate you so much.

Be happy you're still living a dream that so many foreigners would love to experience. You're on a pro-team in Korea have your mind numbing practice hours made you forget that? So what you have no talent in SC at all? So what you haven't had any success? Maye you should try some new things everyone is good at something. There's more to life than one little show match you should have just had fun with it and acted in a respectful manner after you got butt-fucked. Stop acting like a bitter litte nerd, leave that to Artosis when he's losing to DT drops on ICCUP.

On September 26 2013 07:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I will either stop playing mafia or i will go back to "shout so hard you get whoever you want lynched" because idiots like SnNB make me feel so bad for myself.

On September 26 2013 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Let's try to be friends instead of callling each other retarded? Deal?
Sorry i really was just disappointed at myself and i hate losing.