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I also tend to keep better players around as scum for WIFOM (well not doing that anymore, but maybe some one noticed anyway) | ||
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why did blubbdavid come into the thread and say hi then peace completely? he was here yet had nothing to contribute to the game. SnB is town, get votes off him. just played scum with him and this is obvious already | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:00 Papa_Smurf wrote: Why are you defending him this early? Why are you so certain he is town that you have to defend him this early in d1? Why are you so certain he is town off so few posts? because I dont want town lynched because thats how you win the game SnB is more nonchalant as town and as scum he plays very uptight and takes forever to post. Here he's firing off posts at will. this isn't scum SnB im already sure. | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:04 Papa_Smurf wrote: So you must obviously think the supposed scumslip (and semi-wagon) on him are legitimate then since you are defending him? Why can he not fight this himself by just "proving his townieness" if he's so surely town? Won't time tell anyways? Since when are two votes early day 1 a nail in the coffin by any meaning? Votes are the only legitimate action in mafia, and I spotted two aleady tossed. I like to be in the thick of the game instead of a spectator so ill always speak my mind whether you like it or not. A wrong vote is a wrong vote, you sound upset that I stopped your shitty wagon so early. Now to you, Why were you so quick to bandwagon on such a stupid reason? Why are you so ready to vote for anyone that isn't you? | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: If my wagon was so shitty, why do you think it'll actually garner votes? That's a huge contradiction in mindset there. For your questions, Why not? We need to talk about something day 1. Votes are the best ways to get people to talk. Especially when the people you vote are doing/saying questionable things for a town player A huge contradiction is saying that I thought it would garner votes when I never once say that. No need to make up lies now if you're scum. The fact that you're wasting time switching your vote from town to another town member is deeply concerning to me, and you can bet your ass I'm not gonna let you get away with shit tier play. Votes are a way to stir up shit with not actually doing anything, which is exactly what you've accomplished so far. | ||
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@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:18 Papa_Smurf wrote: The bolded infers that you thought the wagon would gain momentum. Anyways, what you are doing is extremely dumb or scum. I'm dropping this line of thought for now for a reason agree to disagree then. In the bolded I implied that I stopped any chance of such a wagon occurring; not necessarily that it would happen. Although this doesnt even matter so I dont know why the fuck we are arguing about it. | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:18 Papa_Smurf wrote: Btw Vayne have you played much with kush? yup ive played as scum with him in that same game, but he changed his meta in persona so I reserve judgement on him thus far | ||
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also you were serial killer in that game so you were just leading on anything LOL @papasmurf it was just that game. he usually just fucks around as town but randomly started writing cases and shit in persona | ||
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On August 31 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote: cephiro, felkyr, obviousone all scum lol this game is easy so far cephiro - get softly discredited by multiple people for "caring about the game" when I play differently every game so it's just an excuse to have an opinion. My case is promptly swept under the rug and nobody ever mentions him again until he responds to my post. Felkyr - how long did it take you to make that entrance post, an hour? obviousone - Instead of going with town sentiment and finding me scummy he immediately jumps to a 3rd party conclusion since he knows I'm not on his scumteam. Very strange conclusion to draw this early in the game. that's my fifth post into that game, and 2 of 3 were scum. My early gut reads are usually pretty solid. | ||
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and I see you spotted the same thing I did in that grackaroni post, so glad we're on the same page. I disagree on that alone being vote worthy, but it definitely got me suspicious. I think I can safely say you aren't 3rd party this game  | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:06 WaveofShadow wrote: We're not going to be stuck at LYLO period. Town is going to fucking WIN a game. I am curious about your non-3P read on me. What specifically do you notice as my '3P' play? Did you have me pegged in Aperture? debears are you in this game? Don't see you on the player list. it was more of a joke since I've been randomly calling you 3rd party lately. And I don't think I really even looked at you once in aperture so no. I was 3rd party as well and more focused on doin' my fake claim thing and annoying people for the lols. I think it goes back to that basterd mini game where you didn't give two shits about the game so for me 3rd party WoS = doesn't care and you clearly care with that first post. But I think you told me in another game that the circumstances were different blhah blah something | ||
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that changes a lot my friend, that slip could be your un-doing... | ||
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game changer bro | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:00 Papa_Smurf wrote: Why are you defending him this early? Why are you so certain he is town that you have to defend him this early in d1? Why are you so certain he is town off so few posts? On September 12 2013 08:01 Papa_Smurf wrote: ##Vote Vayne Authority am I misinterpreting this? You are suspicious of me defending my townread so early right? and you just played with me in aperture where you would know it's not weird that I have strong reads early at all. that is the disconnect here im having. Before you were just an unnamed person that I thought didnt know me but now I've seen you have played with me before. recently even. | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:19 Papa_Smurf wrote: I played with you in Aperature where I only read through 60 pages and I didn't have any real solid reads. I didn't even get to actually play that game. How can I compare that one game that I didn't really play to all of your games? I mean it was in the first few pages of the game...if you're saying you got no impression from me for that entire game then so be it. I'm not even gonna make a case on that since I know I can do better. Just you're really fishy to me right now, but active at least. Better off waking up tomorrow and seeing what the lurkers scrounged up and re-evaluating from there. | ||
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OP question #1 post 2 - already did that OP question #3 - post 2 -you would have to understand our history to understand the non 3P read, its completely meaningless as anything other then a joke. These questions really died off at the end here... ______________________________ new reads: pandain - null, that post is bad but could be made from either alignment. I'd look into the people attacking it because thats basically how I feel as town when scum tries to go after my "scummy posting" They hound you for anything and everything and thats exactly what people are doing to this poor guy. Keep an eye on anyone that jumped on this shit. Rayn - tough to tell, leaning town though. if me snb and him are all town this game is gonna be easy. I also like and encourage his posting this game. In fact, this game has been pretty analytic so far and it brings a tear to my eye to see such a good game so far. __________________ Concerns: Koshi and rayn arguing (different alignments?), sn0_man's bitterness from last game (not a bad vig shot if he's gonna just tunnel people he's mad at) ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4617516/draco-malfoy-the-sorting-hat-o.gif) blubbdavid....better be SLYTHERIN. ##vote:blubbdavid | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:01 blubbdavid wrote: I went to bed after saying hi. I have my eye on Koshi. Not only have his opening posts been as useful as a wet sack of dead flies, that scumhunting of his against SnB and some other posts have led to that bandwagon. A very not so justified wagon. further: SnB has very well given you a scumtarget in the form of VA. Now SnB and VA are not on my scumradar, they rather look like two butthurt townies. But I will look into them further. and lastly: If you want to help town, then how should this post be useful in anyway? blubbdavid I would like your opinion on what you think of my analysis, it will tell me a lot of your alignment. Ok so you pick a random person that is pretty much null to everyone in Koshi and decide to push him. ok great. but wait your entire case just consists of his posting is "bad" which isn't really indicative of anything, just your opinion. Also note that koshi plays way worse as town. You then go on to say that me and SnB just look like "butthurt" townies, perhaps trying to somehow gain some cred with us but then you leave us open to suspicion by saying "you will look into us later" wtf? then for good measure you throw in a bad kush quote and say that the posting is trash, well ok we all knew that. illusionary participation. | ||
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There's 4 or 5 players that haven't done shit yet, you guys aren't lynching each other so just stop. | ||
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I can't read onegu for shit, so I honestly couldn't care less if he's vigged or whatever. He looks really scummy to me as both alignments in every game so no comment there. Blubb's response to my case was satisfactory so doubt ill be leaving my vote there by the end of this cycle, but he needs to do a lot more then just that. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also nobody has explained why Pandain's post is wrong in any way. Someone who's calling it bad/wrong explain. I wrote a part on that in my big post earlier if you read it. The people that jumped on pandain should be scrutinized heavily. I think there's at least 1 scum there. also OP concerns me more if hes just gonna come in and drop big weird posts then peace. his questions werent particularly good either | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:06 Papa_Smurf wrote: But what I'm saying is, Vayne, is that he said "I won't be here Friday and Saturday". Then, goes and lurks first half of d1. There's a disconnect there from a town perspective. If I recall correctly, he was one of the more active posters d1 of aperature no? I don't see the disconnect. He said what he had to at that point in the game and was done. You can't fault people for the game progessing without them. I barely remember him being in aperture so I doubt he was active in that game. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:14 Papa_Smurf wrote: Vayne this post is when i first replaced d1 of aperature if you read it, it was mostly a bunch of garbage and he turned out to be 3rd party I am just going to have to once again disagree at this point. WoS is a bit hard to read though so no way am I giving him a free pass like SnB. my day one lynch candidates at this point are blubbdavid (less after his response), grackaroni (still think that post that me and WoS picked up on is super sketchy), and one of rayn/koshi, cant decide who is town of them yet but one is scum for sure. vig targets - onegu, zealos, etc all the people that refuse to do anything. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:25 Koshi wrote: I was suspicious of rayn in Persona. Just not on day 1. VA is making a dumb argument for lynching me / rayn. VA doesn't do that much. you and grack were the ones to jump on panda's opening post and that's probably my biggest scumtell in this game so far. I don't think you should downplay that my friend. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:31 Koshi wrote: Panda his first post was bad. Last one a bit better but mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. OP will come back and dazzle you guys. that's kinda my point. it was the perfect kind of bad post that scum would pounce all over. prove me wrong by telling me why you and grack are town if you think im bullshitting. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay debears (and everyone). This is what i am saying: Your points of Pandain being scum are: 1) His town read on SnB based on bad reasons 2) policy lynch kushmasta because not helping 3) stance on Zealos (town) and then calling him a good lynch because lurker Now let's compare Pandain's / Old Partner's posts: + Show Spoiler + Pandain: On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles. Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them. VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time. GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction) I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move. Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread. Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says. I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though. Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. On September 12 2013 14:03 Pandain wrote: Ignore this post except for one key point I realized so we can stay on track of what matters: lurkers. Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. Old Partner: On September 12 2013 12:31 Old Partner wrote: Wow, so this started! I've finally read up to the most recent page, so here are my notes so far and my statements and questions. + Show Spoiler [notes] + Up through P6 Koshi says policy is "lynch scum". joking? meaningful? what does this mean. says that grack is not a troll. votes SnB for saying "ok but how will you make sure the rest of town doesn't lynch not scum" in response to policy post. wtf? SnB notes PS is coaching a newbie game and asks about it. This is actually pretty next-level and tells me he is town. why is PS and Koshi voting SnB for trying to figure out who PS is? SnB noticing PS in a newbie game and making this connection... means he is probably town. This kind of extra level of thinking is something a town who is honestly trying to figure things out would do. Grack is policy lynching kush. I am okay with this-- kush is illegible. TL towns don't policy lynch nearly enough. P7 Koshi's thing about SnB's word choice is stupid. his word choice being different could be because he has a different alignment, but could be do to any other number of variables, including being presented with a novel "policy" Kush is trolling and I feel stronger about grack's policy vote on kush. His aggression towards kush seems a little over the top but it's okay. Vayne comes in and is actually making a lot of sense. I'm glad he was here at this time. Papasmurf swapping votes to VA seems pretty obviously a knee-jerk reaction. Judging from his word choice, high post count, and the way he moves his votes in response to innocuous statements, he is probably BH. I know you think this kind of thing is real pressure BH/PS, but it's really not. all it does is make your vote meaningless. I revise my read in papasmurf from scummish to townish if he is really BH-- this is how BH plays as town. Vayne's post #137 further reinforces my idea that he is town. His questions are good but don't take into account who papasmurf is. I don't like SnB's #138 though. His responses aren't really meaningful and dont' promote discussion, but it looks like he's contributing. If SnB is scum, I'd be more convinced by hist post #138 than by the other posts he's made before that. P8 Papasmurf is being typical blazinghand in his argument with VA. VA equivocating in post #143 sounds like backtracking, but when you've got PS/BH on you for every little turn of phrase, posts like that get made. Still, a point against him. What is Koshi saying here? SnB's post here isn't scummy but it's not very well-thought-out. why ask all these questions in one post? of course you don't find someone defending you worrying, because he's DEFENDING you. VA's defense is reasonable and people's attacks on SNB prior to P7 second half are unreasonable, but VA has definitely defended SnB on relatively shakey grounds with SnB only had two votes on him. Who is SnB to say that VA wasn't "trying to be right" as so many scum do? What we have here is SnB 'wants' VA to be town, because he doesn't like the idea of being defended by scum. Not saying it's true/false, but SnB what you're doing here is stating a conclusion then looking for evidence to back it up, rather than the other way around. PS/BH with the classic "dumb or scum" statement. P9 VA's "my two cents" and "lol" strike me as odd in 162. Would you say that as town? off-handedly, sure. I like VA for town still. I could see him diffusing tension after this, though. I have questions for him. WoS's inactivity claim strikes me as very convenient. This should be considered a mark against him regardless of circumstances. GK's entrance is solid. It's the kind of question someone who just caught up reading would ask-- he's actually reading the thread for sure. So, now that I'm caught up, a few statements and questions S + Q 1. I know this game is very conversational, but all the spam and one-lining makes it difficult to read and analyze. Some people have that style, and it doesn't take that much longer to read, but it will take me a little bit of time to get used to it. I am glad that people are getting involved! 2. Yes, I am a smurf. I have played on TL before and thought I could use a new start... the hosts know about this and are okay with it. 3. I know we're long past policy, but since I am a smurf and don't have a history written out of what policies I like, here are my thoughts on policy: i. TL towns do not policy lynch enough, not by far ii. the policy lynch should be used D1, not any time close to lylo, since the d1 lynch is the least useful iii. the policy lynch must be stated with full willingness to follow through, and mislynch, as a result iiii. policy lynch should be used on fake-claimers, liars, lurkers, and players whose play is generally unacceptable. v. I may have a scumread today I consider more strongly than a policy lynch. I will be open as possible with my reads and thoughts so that i can be convinced, and convincing. I think our best play on D1 can be to policy lynch though... it makes play stronger. I am aware this is a controversial opinion, but it is also a good one. If you disagree with me, that is okay 4. This is @vayneauthority: despite the fact that you have interacted obliquely with Koshi, you do not mention him ever. Do you think he is town, or he is scum? What do you think of his initial vote on SnB for questioning his "policy" of lynching scum? What do you think of his "policy"? Why haven't you weighed in on him yet? 5. this is @SnB: you think koshi is "uncomfortable" and "projecting"... and you also say he is "silly". do you have a scumread on him or not? 5.b this is @SnB: what do you think of VA, in light of my notes on him? Would you say your perception of him is colored by his defense of you? taking that into account, do you see why he is viewed as scummy? 6. this is @papa_smurf: why did you smurf into this game? Are you really BH? After you unvote SnB you don't mention him again. Do you still have a scumread on him, or do you think he is town because VA is scum? On September 12 2013 13:07 Old Partner wrote: now I am really caught up! More statements and questions accompany these notes. + Show Spoiler [P11 and P12 notes[/spoiler] + P10 GK's question of grack is reasonable grack's response is also seems reasonable wow, I really like GK's followup analysis/summary in post #183. I hadn't realized this sort of contradiction in grack's reasoning. After all, it does seem weird for VA to have a strong townread so suddenly, but he did give a reason. the natural point to turn on thwn would be to engage that reason in discussion/analysis. WoS's followup looks town-motivated to me. I don't like that he calls SnB's unusually strong effort not-townie. SnB seems like a somewhat obvious town to me at least in terms of how he's thinking. If his usual level of effort is less than this, and he stepped it up, he should be town. WoS could really not know what to think of this, but i dont' see why this would not be a towntell for SnB. I haven't been paying an appropriate amount of attention to grack, and WoS's read looks like a solid one to me. He is jumping the gun by voting on small evidence, but perhaps that is his style-- all ##vote and no ##fos. I will be interested to see his target's regracktion to this attack. A standard call-out of a /confirmer and a name-claimer, nothing too special at the end there. Overall, I am less interested in a WoS lynch today after this post. If he will be posting like this regularly he is worth keeping around. His statement on Kush intrigues me. I am not familiar with Kush's meta other than that many players consider him bad/trollish. I don't understand VA's non-3p read. That's not a useful read to make at all. 8( Ah, here we see debears smurf-slipping, as mentioned to me. Papa_smurf, what a chump! VA is backtracking and equivocating again. This is not what I would expect a town player to do. his response to the debears smurfslip is immediate suspicion based on... lying? P11 It looks like now there is a discussion about Aperture mafia and these players interacted there. PS/DB's read on VA's early strong read (something that scum would do, say, on a townie to collect towncred) is supposed to not make sense given that PS/DB played with VA in Aperture. I'm not sure why PS/DB backs off from VA here. 1. @VA, if you are accusing PS/DB of not understanding your meta and hiding that fact based on events in Aperture, you should quote, link, or otherwise point us towards the incrongruity. 2. @WoS, I would like to know about your read on SnB. SnB's finding out that PS is coaching a newbie game, then asking him about it, strikes me as townie. After all, making that connection is not something he'd have to do as scum. Townies inherently are trying to find things out about the game, whereas scum are trying to conceal. You also make a meta note that SnB is trying much harder to help and be productive this game. Why doesn't this result in a townread on SnB for you? I'd like to hear your thought process. 3. @VA (again), I'd like to know specifically what lead to your non-3p read on WoS. You say it was just a joke, but this is the second time you have backtracked/equivocated. I'm willing to accept it as a joke, especially with the smiley face, but what brought it to mind? Why, in a post in which you explicitly buddy WoS, do you say your read on him is non-3p, and not say, townie? I know you have history with him, but surely you'd prefer to just call him town? 4 @PS/DB, I am okay with kush's policy vote on WoS-- it is not a scumtell. I am willing to policy lynch kush based on his previous play, but we have not come to that part of the day yet. There is much to see and talk about first. Would you be interested in policy lynching kush? unless we have a vigilante, we can expect him to be a burden at LYLO. he has said and analyzed nothing, and his taste in culinary television is questionable at best. Similitaries: - Read on SnB (your point (1) of Pandain being scum) - Policy on kush (your point (2) of Pandain being scum) Differences: - Pandain gives other reads with reasoning - Old Partner says: 1) "This happened then that happened" 2) "These guys could be scum or they could be town" TLDR; Why are people sold on Pandain being scum but ignoring OP, as they have same (bad) arguments, but Pandain has some good ones too, when OP does not? because the people pushing panda are scum bro. Look at grack and koshi and tell me what you think, there's scum there. also I doubt panda would buddy blubbdavid with a simple gut read if they are both scum. I don't think they are scum together. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:35 Koshi wrote: lol. Since when are people scum for jumping on bad town posts... you've played games with me, whenever Im town how often do scum try to push my lynch then realize its not going to work? thats like every game =/ you only need to look back to persona to see yamato, crazo, etc trying to get me lynched for my bad posting early. its VERY common | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Vayne why are you hard-defending all the scummers? if by scummers you mean town then well it should be obvious. Im pushing for a correct lynch here. There are good cases and concerns being drowned out by these panda/kush pushes and I dont like either of them. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:39 Koshi wrote: But you didn't try to make a good post. What Yamato did last game is more like X (I forgot who) now going after Kush for bad posting. so essentially your argument is pandain is trying too hard and doesn't bring any new info = therefore lynch? Because that makes a lot more sense then what you have been saying so far. There's too many people pushing his lynch though so I don't think he's scum. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:42 Sn0_Man wrote: We agree that kush is a terrible push. Panda seems like scum based on his posts (have you read them yet? its all scum motivated). Whats your "good cases and concerns"? like you want us to lynch Koshi? get real. PS you aren't calling me scum yet what happened? I think you rolled scum and ur balls disappeared. yea ive read them and ive expressed my concerns on him being lynchbait. I just posted my lynches too: blubbdavid and grack are probably top priority at this point but you're right I wouldnt mind a koshi lynch. Why exactly do I have to call you scum again? Are you confusing me with rayne? | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:54 Sn0_Man wrote: The only think that is giving me doubts on lynching pandain is how bad this stuff is. Like, scum QT wouldn't let him post this stuff would it? "my content which is kick-ass for the most part" o.o I mean, I feel somewhat cruel but... o.o Also Vayne you are doing some really weird flip flopping on blubbers and your case on grack seems terrible. Based on P4 i expect you to be more useless and more OMGUS and less wrong. mandatory no point in meta-ing me since I change my playstyle completely from game to game the OMGUS thing was on purpose, if that wasn't clear. We never really discussed postgame that much. You're right I am flip flopping on blubb because I'm stubborn. I think my case is good but his response to my case is also good. my case on grack is not terrible, him and koshi jumping on panda like that is prime scum material. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you look at what i have written about OP and give your thoughts plz? I actually did respond to your OP stuff, look through my posts you must have missed it. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh right. So do you want to lynch OP, or Grack/Koshi? blubbers/grack koshi potentially you I don't know if you are buddying me or what but you are making sense so not too concerned.if you are town then I trust you that OP is scum. thats probably my order atm. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, not blubbers. Look at SnB's last posts, what do you see? I see him waffling over two easy lynches in the end of all that. So are you saying my townread of SnB is wrong here? I dont understand. from my perspective, panda is the mislynch here and it is why he is getting pushed harder than blubb. Im not counting out scum QT just giving him that response to me because it was much better than anything else he has posted. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:09 Sn0_Man wrote: I'm blaming rayn and vayne for turning this thread into a shitshow in the last half hour. ![[image loading]](http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/alwaysunny-pong.gif) | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes, Pandain is a mislynch. But look at what happened: debears comes in yelling "rayn is so bad this and that blablabla.." some people agree SnB comes in with a consolidated read on me that says nothing, FUCKING nothing at all (throwing more wood into the fire). I don't see SnB town at all after that, because when i ask him to explain, he fucks off. I don't think blubb is scum, he would not be this aggressive as scum. Now Koshi calls us "shitting up the thread". lol? ok I see where you're coming from. Kinda hope you die n1 if you're town, will make this game so much easier knowing you were town saying this shit | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not bullshitting here. Look at the thread and see what happened. You can tell yourself if i am telling the truth or not. So, why are these people pushing for Pandain and blubb for lynch, when there is no reason to? Who do you think is scum amongst them, and who of the other people brought up is scum in your opinion? anyone can tell the truth  not alignment indicative for you, but for them yes.The hot contention for the panda and blubb lynch is because one of them is indeed scum in my opinion. and I think it's blubb. I just gave you my scum list like 2 posts ago 0o im repeating myself at this point | ||
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On September 13 2013 07:47 Papa_Smurf wrote: He never said he couldn't post before friday. When did he say "I can't post before friday" He never mentioned it pregame. Didn't mention it here. I just don't see the point on bringing this up repeatedly. We get the point, he isn't posting. Plenty of other people aren't either. | ||
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I don't really know what you see as town in koshi, he is posting weird stuff and his lists just consist of all strong players = town all lurkers/baddies = scum. Then he leaves me/WoS as maybes so he can lynch us at endgame. wtf is he doing that's town exactly? Granted im terrible at reading him but this reminds me of sicilian where he just rode vivax's dick to victory. Now he's using yours. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: You gotta look at what people post after their initial posts aswell. Koshi has decent reads and is involved to the game. blubbers i think is just inexperienced town, his play makes no real sense as scum to me. OP might be scum but i think my initial suspicion on him was mainly because of his posting style. SnB and debears look terribad atm. WoS came in with some fluff and again left without any conclusion on anything. Thing is lying or whatever is not necessarily alignment indicative. He could have just genuinely been wrong about he was saying. there's a thin line. If we are lynching SnB purely based on him not doing much and tunneling in his contributions then people like WoS should be right there with him. That's specifically my problem with this lynch, it looks very artificial and forced. It ignores people doing similar/exact same shit and is at the same time looking to get rid of a player that can be very valuable. You don't have my hand in this lynch. | ||
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why would scum SnB willingly just 360 in a few posts as scum and look stupid as fuck? i dont see it. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:23 WaveofShadow wrote: lol I make mistakes like this all the time, especially in recent games where my activity hasn't been overly spammy and constant. I was kinda hoping SnB would try to explain it himself before someone else brought up an excuse for it though.... Vayne! Who do we lynch today? Me? I have less than 2 hours to go. I think rayn might actually be scum this game but there's no way to get him lynched. He is really going ape shit on this, in my opinion, very stupid detail of SnB's post. I don't really enjoy this I have to re-evaluate the game | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so we have SnB, WoS and Vayne saying they do not remember how good or bad thay can read certain people. LOL! alright deep breaths here. This is not an action or outcome that affects this game of mafia. Him saying he can read you then he can't, has very little to do with anything happening in this game besides a specific interaction between you and him, which is like 1/340324i2309th of the game. You want to convict some one based on such a small sliver in conjunction with his posting, which I disagree with. I think his posting is fine and you are blowing a stupid thing out of proportion. Not sure what else to say here. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Guys, listen to me for one second: What would you say if this kinda conversation happened: someone: "what do you think of Oats?" me: "hmm, i don't really know, Oats is really hard for me to read, i usually can't figure him out. I have no idea about his alignment." Would that be perfectly fine? yes because it makes very little difference in the game... If instead this happened 1: you voting for oats bro? rayn: yea for sure. .... never votes for oats... .. then there is a problem. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:29 blubbdavid wrote: Oh look who is back. Mr Idontanalyseorreadanythingbutblubbersisscumcuzjustbecause. You will stand there like an idiot after I flip town I assure you. @VA, what is your opinion on the case of OP. I think its a solid case. If he doesn't stop just giving a recap of the game, lynch him. It's annoying to read and doesn't help town. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I forgot about Sn0. Shit I don't think i have time to do an in-depth read but he is all over the place as I skim through his filter. No in-depth analysis, pushing random-ass targets, trolly.... Thoughts, gentlemen? I wouldn't expect him to be so angry/trollin' if he was scum but I guess that's a stupid reason. Switching the vote to him last second would be an awful choice though imo. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay Vayne, you clearly don't recognize some basic scumtells.. :/ you just played with me in sicilian, and I scrutinize all my partners posts very carefully. Please read over SnB in sicilian and compare it to this, then compare it to aperture where he is town. The difference is obvious. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Vayne the problem is it is what amounts to a flat-out lie by SnB without him addressing it. I agree he is tunneling pretty hard on it but it's Rayn. As town I'm pretty sure he's lynched both town and scum in this way. As far as Rayn's Oats example goes I'd probably accept that lol. ok so you agree at that best this is a 50% lynch? well I don't want to flip a coin. I want to lynch scum. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes as I've said I think we've been on the same page for much of this game, hence me asking you what you think I should do before disappearing. that's weird as shit and you should never ask me that again lol gonna have to play the game yourself for me to get a read on you | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:42 Sn0_Man wrote: What no VA kush is bad lynch jeez look at the scummy retards on his wagon. Its all the people too scared to scumhunt so they say shit like "plynch kush he bad" despite evidence to the contrary (p4) why is he getting sweeped under the rug then? the contributions he promised never came and he disappeared off the radar suddenly for everyone after some soft defending. That's like the definition of scummy to me. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh please. You and Rayn both need to calm your tits. I've already explained that I'm gone very soon and if I don't come up with something on my own in the next hour or so I don't want my vote to go to waste. I trust you thus far therefore I am asking you opinion. Is there a problem? yea, if you aren't town me making your decisions does nothing to tell me anything. You should vote for blubb, OP, or kush though. Thats our best chance of finding scum I think right now. use your brain to vote for the one you want though. | ||
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questions that arised: Zealos came inches to being lynched but then last minute shenanigans put it back onto blubbdavid, potential lead there. Zealos possible scum. Why was sn0_man harping on about a pandain/me/rayn scum team then all of a sudden he agrees on blubbdavid out of nowhere and votes him? doesn't make much sense imo. not necessarily alignment indicative but I would like an explanation. kush after the end of all that just drops his vote on blubbdavid who was his savior and peaces out. please stop giving this guy a free pass it is absurd. | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am really starting to think vayne is scum. doesn't concern me really, i've already expressed my disdain with your play this game. town rayn doesn't tunnel somebody for hours and then just give up randomly and drop his vote on some one with little reasoning. | ||
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On September 14 2013 03:25 VayneAuthority wrote: I think rayn might actually be scum this game but there's no way to get him lynched. He is really going ape shit on this, in my opinion, very stupid detail of SnB's post. I don't really enjoy this I have to re-evaluate the game your tunnel over SnB on such an asinine thing is disappointing because I expect a lot better from you. Compound that with what I just said (dropping it easily after since you realized it looked really foolish) and switching to OP with very little reasoning is pretty bad | ||
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On September 14 2013 07:58 kushm4sta wrote: kind of a weird attitude coming from you. I thought recently you townread me? Also why someone being my "savior" make them more or less likely to be scum? Let's get the facts straight. 1 I was not at risk for getting lynched. There was more than one person who had more votes than me. 2 I had declared my intention for voting blub for a long time. I waiting so long so I could get back to my pc and didn't have to navigate to the vote thread on my phone, nah you should look at my filter. It's a combination of what you're doing but mostly what others are doing around you. Lately I've thought you could actually be scum based on what's been going on. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:02 Koshi wrote: Vayne why do you have so many scumreads this game? Also did you ever explained that experiment in Persona? no I didn't but me and sn0_man talked about it briefly earlier in this game. I was just OMGUSing anyone that went after me since your job as town is just to live and I know scum like to target me as a mislynch. lots of scummy people this game, is there a point to that question? I could direct you to lots of games where I have tons of scumreads. You would know from nuclear that I pretty much suspected everybody to some degree. Towns like this drive me insane. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:08 Koshi wrote: Oki. The point was that this game is different than your Persona/Titanic game. More hard reads coming from you on town/scum. you'd be hard pressed to find any 2 games of mine that are similar | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is always the town/scum motivation. I actually read all of your game i could fing on TL and this seems like scumthingy.. I'd say the style im playing currently is most similar to aperture and I was 3rd party there, but you saw I was playing for town. Simply not true. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your stance on blubbers is really wishy-washy, throughout the game, lol, even on N1 when he was lynched already... if that's your case I don't even need to do anything. please get real here if you're accusing me because im going to put this to rest right now. koshi says im making too many hard reads, you saying im too wishy washy xD get your story straight before you guys try to pile shit on me. | ||
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On September 14 2013 08:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: association case before flip = bad. +1 scum point I see this is a waste of time, you are like getting worse as you play more games. Honest truth right there | ||
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to pandain's last point, we can always lynch OP to buy us time for a day if we ever unsure at some point. We always have that as a back option due to his claim. | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:05 Old Partner wrote: How does it possibly "buy time" to lynch a survivor another cop check, another roleblock, a save, 72 more hours for scum to slip, etc the possibilities are literally endless. More time is always better for town. Any other cringe worthy questions | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:05 Pandain wrote: Would that be right choice? I guess so in that OP could vote as scum; unless a cop gets killed in which case we should go for scum anyway. it is the right choice because his wincon is to survive at all costs. He is essentially another scum player if he never needs to be. | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:08 Grackaroni wrote: Who do you think is scum, and if you say kush please give some analysis beyond just him planting his vote on Blubbers and being Kush in general Hmm tough call but I'd say koshi, you, rayn, and kush are probably the scummiest to me right now. something has felt off about koshi the entire game and he's using people as puppets again and kind of just floating along on people giving him town reads. Last time this happened he was a serial killer. Like oats, I don't understand your last second vote switch and what you hoped to accomplish there. There's also way way back that point I made which I still think was a bit of a scumslip but your posting has improved since then...probably my lowest priority right now rayn...where do I begin. the only reason he isn't dead yet is because he plays anti-town as town too. If he's scum welcome to hell because he's impossible to lynch and if he's town welcome to the titanic where town loses more and more the longer he lives. just somebody vig this guy. kush pretty much a mini rayn, skating by on reputation and I haven't seen any good reasons as to why he's town besides HE'S TOWN STFU FUCKING FUCk!!11 and that doesn't fly where I'm from. Make these players do something or town loses. brief rundown of my scum reads until further notice. the last two can easily be town if they stop trolling and do shit. | ||
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On September 14 2013 14:47 Grackaroni wrote: @Vayne: you started out this game with an actual case and I got the impression that you would be doing actual anaylsis, as of late all your main scum reads look extremely outdated. Your only reasoning for me being scum is that I was suspicious of Pandain and besides that you latch onto WoS/Oat's posts. I have been doing so much more in the thread you could analyze. You have even less reasoning for Koshi being scum, all you have said is that he was suspicious of Pandain. It looks to me that you only wrote your case on Blubbers to jump on some early town cred and after people wrote you off as town you got lazy and stopped bothering to analyze the thread. I don't feel the need to repeat myself, if I see anything worthy of deep analysis then ill post it. You asked for scumreads and I gave an overview of what i've seen from day 1. It's not so much outdated as getting badgered to re-iterate what I have already said. If you actually thought this was all shitty then you would have said something before now I presume. | ||
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On September 14 2013 15:03 Grackaroni wrote: There's a reason I had asked you the question rather than just looking back at what you already said. I wanted to see if you had anything new to bring to the table after the Blubbdavid lynch. Your reasoning for Koshi being scum is weak. You are telling me there is nobody in this game you are more suspicious of at the moment then Koshi because he was suspicious of Pandain's first post? That's the best scum read you've got at this point in the game? I don't get where the pandain thing is coming from but its more of a meta read, considering he actually hasn't done that much if you read his filter. | ||
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I don't know what's going on now with this kush/koshi hard buddying thing but I doubt they would do that as scum so im probably wrong somewhere rayn still concerns me since he was just lecturing me about not wanting to vote for the survivor but now he goes ahead and votes OP without a second thought. really weird and inconsistent. | ||
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On September 16 2013 01:50 Papa_Smurf wrote: btw koshi, since you are so keen on the fact of having two 3p in this game. What games have ever had two 3p in a 15 player game What games haven't Then do the percentages. I'd love to know golden sun is a game with a lot of lone wolves and rouges of that nature. It fits the game and his role PM looked very convincing. Idk why you would ever ask the hosts for a survivor role PM to fake when that role is usually lynched on sight by every town. I don't see him flipping scum. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:01 Papa_Smurf wrote: what of "the captain" I could only find one reference of someone being a captain of the ship. Nowhere does it say he was called "the captain" riggs was presumably born and raised in Champa. In his early life he is described as formerly being a real brat, but in the present age he has become a swarthy middle-aged man who was eventually recognized as the greatest of Champa's sailors, so he was subsequently named the captain of the sailors of Champa. He is also described as having "never been sick a day of his life." While he is recognized as tough and boasts of it, Briggs is also very insecure around those even more powerful than himself, instinctively running away from someone who defeats him in battle. I couldn't find karagol anywhere in the wiki entry, which was the sea referenced that "the captain" sailed in. see bolded. does that not scream survivor to you? also how would he fake such a long role PM in such short time, he obviously got it from the hosts so the name of the character is not in question, it's if he is actually telling the truth or not. | ||
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On September 16 2013 02:24 Koshi wrote: A really bad vigi shot or a set-up with SK + survivor. VA, your opinion on OP and Papa "The Red" Smurf? I think OP is honestly survivor, and I stand by the fact that it's a good lynch if we don't have any better reads. Sucks for him but what ya gonna do. PS is fighting with pretty much all my scumreads so he's either getting gangbanged or I just suck this game, which isn't the first time. while your here can you explain what you mean by WoS not being killed by scum? there's only one kill today. did they just not use their KP? lol | ||
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On September 16 2013 03:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can people now see why Vayne is scum? you've been saying that all game but refuse to ever given any evidence when asked for it. You also unintentionally discontinue conversations with me when you have no response. | ||
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On September 16 2013 03:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would any sane scumteam shoot WoS? Why is the only other option for only one death "scum holding KP"? Are you trying to bluehunt here? because you're doing a horrible job of trying to make it look like an attack on me. How am I supposed to know what the scum team is thinking and what exactly are you implying by your second statement? you are just putting words into my mouth. how about answering my questions now buddy? | ||
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On September 16 2013 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, why would scum hit WoS who is a scumread for almost everyone and didn't do much anything on D1? And why can't somebody have been docced / veteran have been hit? You are suggesting that as the only option, why? plz show me where I say it's the only option that would be great. You are pretty much confirmed scum to me now for having information you shouldn't. | ||
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On September 16 2013 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are trying to justify your survivor-read on BH by the fact that WoS was killed by scum and there were no other deaths. You are either very dumb or protecting a SK / scumbuddy. lol you are so incredibly naive it's hilarious. sigh you are so awful to play with | ||
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says lynching a survivor is horrible for town and gives more time for scum when I bring it up and then he jumps on lynching OP without a second thought, not even trying to do anything else. Has extra information that he shouldn't have based on this convo. how do you have rayn as town koshi, you are letting his retarded/useless = town meta confuse you. | ||
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On September 16 2013 04:13 Koshi wrote: Pretty sure most of us are safe for a while with OP/PS being lynched today. So if he is trying to get you convicted he is just pressuring you for 2morrows. Dnu why you are getting your panties in a bunch over this. btw, you are not useful VA. Your initial reads you brag about are even proven wrong. quote where I bragged about my initial reads and where they were proven wrong, ty | ||
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On September 16 2013 04:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw i can tell you it's totally not me and Koshi who looks patchetic and desperate.. you're gonna need some evidence to back that up, you know like I do. oh wait you refuse to give any evidence this entire game ^^ silly scum thinks getting into a tangle with me is a good idea and then cant deliver. pathetic. | ||
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On September 16 2013 04:23 Koshi wrote: yes I know. Blubb was good lynch. OP would have been better though. And seems like you didn't brag too much about your early reads. So strange. I remember more. D: But still. rayn is not doing anything wrong. he's doing a ton wrong but I've already said too much. it will become apparent later | ||
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On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today. Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. oh right you need more time to make a fake case. My bad. | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni why? Don't post your role PM. He is not scum, but the "info we got" means nothing because there is no info.. how fake does this look on a scale of 1/10? | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:38 Koshi wrote: Also I want VA death for being extremely stupid. this doesnt look believable at all, the 50 !!!! points and caps when ive never seen either of you ever type like that ever. the fake anger is way too over the top. | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:43 Koshi wrote: VA this game. rayn/koshi 1 is scum kush/koshi 1 is scum Grack/koshi both are scum If this was a town VA he would already be certain I am scum. But this is scum VA spewing bullshit and distrust. you're looking desperate again. mad cuz caught. ill ask you once again to link me to any town game of mine where I have solid concrete reads and don't change them constantly, scuttle off now and be left quoteless again. | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey, of course Grackaroni fakeclaimed under no pressure and they staged a full retard shoutfest with Koshi. I also went on with this fake thing. We totally had to do this under absolutely zero pressure. We are all scum, damn Vayne solved the game! the sad part is thats probably the scumteam. you guys are all trying to discredit me and it's hilarious xD still waiting on that case budd0 | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:46 Koshi wrote: I don't have to do shit. I know how you play as town and you are not town now. You have 0 reads and the reads you have are just shitty remarks. Also, I know you are wrong about me. So yeah. You are scum. You don't have to do shit, why's that? because you're scum and dont care about town? yea thought so. you tried to pin stuff on me twice now and I raped your asshole silly both times. too easy. | ||
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On September 16 2013 08:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you have correctly indentified the scumteam why is your vote on a survivor? what do you think I am, a voterigger? I only have one vote. Why the desperation attacks instead of a real case? | ||
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On September 16 2013 09:04 Koshi wrote: There is really 0 reasons why Koshi/rayn/grack/Kush scumteam needs to pile shit on you. You can't push a lynch. You have never pushed a lynch and you never can. Really. Leaving VA alive as scummer is not a problem at all. Rayn dies faster than you do. says the kid that sheeped my lynch day one. do you ever stop lying faggot? im getting sick of it. | ||
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On September 16 2013 09:06 Koshi wrote: Yeah, that wasn't because you pushed the lynch. so according to you my lynch happened with me not even having to push it, yet I can never get a lynch off. interesting inconsistency there. | ||
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On September 16 2013 09:11 Koshi wrote: Well, I must admit I had some respect for your early reads. But outside that I just found the blubb guy the best lynch outside SnB who wasn't going to get lynched. I am pretty sure that all the other kids that voted blubb weren't voting him because Mr VA started the lynch. then maybe you should have pushed your own better lynch if you're so good? | ||
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On September 16 2013 09:12 Koshi wrote: Only started. Never pushed. Ended being town so I don't even know why you are being proud of it. Im just debunking all the stupid lies you throw at me so everyone sees what a clueless hack/scum you are. Still waiting for quotes on anything you've accused me of so far. you already looked like a moron the first time, care to go 2/2? | ||
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On September 16 2013 09:14 Koshi wrote: Ah w.e doesn't matter. I am totes town. We will see if you are a scummer or just terrible. Kinda funny that you started this game saying that you were bad at reading me and 50% of your scumhunting is saying I am scum. PS: I am not PSII: ^ this is not directed to you papa smurf off to bed! run out of answers and out of the thread again de ja vu | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you elaborate on this because in that game i was the only one who could succesfully push a lynch on mafia? you are so caught up in your own ego that you will lynch me at all costs while half the game doesn't even play, very similar to onegu in that game. He didn't even have to do anything to win that game. If you're scum then ignore this, but I honestly think you are town and being really dumb after that huge ego post | ||
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On September 17 2013 01:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears i have a tip for you. When you play with me you will always find my play the same like it was here in D1. I nitpick on something i find important because there is nothing else to go with. At some point i usually am unable to see what's important and what's not. That's the point where i need some level headed guy totell me where i am going wrong and what should i look for. Usually it's someone like marv/Hapa/Palmar. In this game i think it would be you or Pandain. Look at the difference how you/Pandain called my case on SnB off. Pandain remained calm when i was trying to sell the case to him (i always do that because i am usually tunneled :/ ). You however didn't, you called me retarded and bad and refused to talk to me. I mean, in some level you are right, because i am an arrogant asshole on D1, i always am and i dunno how i can help it. However, i am not bad at this shit. After D1 (and especially after N1) i take a complete re-look on the whole game. I look at who did what on D1. Who voted where and why. Who didn't give a fuck about things. When did certain things happen and why. I am far better player D2 -> than D1. For example in Desert i was pretty sure on D2 end that marv is scum because he should have been the one who would keep me "calm" on D1 when i tunneled Thrawn. When Thrawn proved his towniness on N2 i was 100% sure marv is scum. I am capable of finding mafia. So please, if you are town, in this game (and future games), don't try to shut me down in case i go into stupid tunnel mode. I can be convinced with reasonable arguments. It might take time but it's possible. It's also beneficial because i am town and i am perfectly capable of finding mafia if someone (or me myself) push me into right direction or/and shuts down my bad arguments. I also ask very weird questions sometime. Please people (if you are town), even if you think my questions are stupid, answer them, because i know what i am doing and it helps me figure out your alignment. I do very strange stuff. For example, in Bluelightz game i asked geript what he does think about his hydra partner's posts and if he thinks his hydra partner is scum. The answer he gave me was 100% town. That's how i roll. If you don't understand my questions, you can ask me afterwards about them. I am willingto explain what i was/am after. Thanks for listening. like who posts this as mafia? no one | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne instead of calling people names and arguing about how good or bad they are could you tell us who you think is mafia so we can have a coherant discussion about yours/their alignment? oh you mean like that thing i've been trying to get you to do all game but you just call me scum then leave the thread? yea sure we can do that | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: So, first of all, what do you think of my read on Koshi? And do you still think Grack is scum based on what has happened since the last time you were here? I think it's wrong and this game reminds me a lot more of him in sicilian than persona. You need to go back and read that. He used vivax as a puppet the whole game and got "fake angry" multiple times that game. it's so similar to this. Except in this game, he's using you as his puppet. I have thought grack was scum for a while now, between what he did day 1 with the subtly asking for people's opinions and stuff before the game was really fleshed out. He wanted to know who he could push as mafia. Then you add in all this fake claiming stuff and it's stupid. doesn't help town at all. As I said earlier that fake fight between him and koshi looked extremely fake so that's the nail in the coffin for me. don't know who's the 3rd if it's not you but I assume kush/umasi/zealos or something | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: i wanna kill vayne now. So many choices. So little time. don't care at this point im gonna die anyway so might as well solve the game first | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: But he was not scum in Sicilian. He scumhunted with Vivax first, when Vivax died he scumhunted with me. Every scum we found Koshi shot. I could have totally figured out he was the SK but layabout's check fucked that all up. Could you compare to GoT if you got something to compare because comparing this game to his SK game is not a good comparison, SK needs to find scum too. In my opinion it points more towards him being town here than scum. I agree that the fake claim was stupid. But as scum, why do it? To save debears (who is not scum according to you)? To save BH? I can't find any other reason for him doing so as scum. I wasn't in GoT. The only game where I was ever town and he was scum was nuclear mafia and I was the only person that had him as mafia in that game. everyone else believed his naive town approach. feels like the same thing here...he is so obviously scum to me but no one else agrees. really frustrating | ||
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I will get back to you on the lurker thing, there's too many replacements in this game and I got nothin' to work with really. Kush seemed scummy to me early because he was martyring and the blubb wagon just barely beat him out but I'm unsure on him now. He hasn't really given much to work with. Zealos seems like he doesn't give a shit about the game at all but that's not really enough to work with either. | ||
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On September 17 2013 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Could you point out some direct quotes from SnB's filter where he is trying to solve the game (do not bring BH into this, it's a good place to hide in case SnB is scum and BH is not)? On September 16 2013 05:31 strongandbig wrote: here's something people can respond to while i keep reading. why are we totally ignoring zealos, despite him being the Wagon of Justice yesterday? No one has said a single thing that convinces me away from my interpretation of the differences between how he's played this game and how he played in those other two town games i posted links to. He hasn't engaged with this game at all except to poke at me occasionally. I'm pretty mystified by how no one has even mentioned him since yesterday. I still think he's scum. On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote: Hey guys Posting from phone in class Posting notes: + Show Spoiler + Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO. Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal. Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do. I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things... Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from... Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different... Anyway non rayne notes. Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread. Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious. My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said. I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum. One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads. Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well. Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning. On September 14 2013 05:18 strongandbig wrote: yeah i dont want to lynch kush right now. he's not playing like he did when we were scum together. when he's scum he tends to lurk but he also tends to be pretty aggressive with calling other people scum for no reason, especially his teammates. here he's actually engaging people's points: those are not the kind of posts i expect from scum kush. at the very least i dont want to lynch him yet. On September 16 2013 06:45 strongandbig wrote: town lost for reasons that had nothing to do with rayn in that game, he played fine. he didn't distract them by being a lynch prospect and he used his PR pretty well. what does his alignment have to do with it? I'm saying he plays that way as both alignments and as both alignments it hurts town. and it's not that i'm having trouble keeping up in this game, it's a mini and the speed is fine. it's that rayn jumps from one momentary interaction to the next so quickly that there's no time to analyze in depth and in context while keeping up with the thread. there is no way his filter can have a coherent narrative if it's constantly posting about every little thing that happens, and townies' filters should have coherent narratives because that's how you establish that you're town, and that's how you persuade people to follow your reads, and that's how you make an environment where it's hard for scum to stay hidden. but anyway we should probably argue about this post game because as we've both agreed, it has nothing to do with rayn's alignment. he plays this terrible spammy style as both town and scum. a few quotes from different parts of the game | ||
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On September 12 2013 12:03 VayneAuthority wrote: yea not just him WoS, the blubbdavid guy did the same thing -_- just posted a one liner and peaced out. Wouldn't mind a vig taking out either of those guys. If they aren't going to give us content, I don't want to be the one stuck at lylo with them. and I see you spotted the same thing I did in that grackaroni post, so glad we're on the same page. I disagree on that alone being vote worthy, but it definitely got me suspicious. I think I can safely say you aren't 3rd party this game On September 13 2013 01:26 VayneAuthority wrote: blubbdavid I would like your opinion on what you think of my analysis, it will tell me a lot of your alignment. Ok so you pick a random person that is pretty much null to everyone in Koshi and decide to push him. ok great. but wait your entire case just consists of his posting is "bad" which isn't really indicative of anything, just your opinion. Also note that koshi plays way worse as town. You then go on to say that me and SnB just look like "butthurt" townies, perhaps trying to somehow gain some cred with us but then you leave us open to suspicion by saying "you will look into us later" wtf? then for good measure you throw in a bad kush quote and say that the posting is trash, well ok we all knew that. illusionary participation. On September 13 2013 04:02 VayneAuthority wrote: I would disagree on WoS, his opening post was solid and real life should never be taken into account when forming scum reads. If you really want to look into it though, he's usually town when he gives these excuses since he probably gets really paranoid or whatever that people will think he's scum. I can't read onegu for shit, so I honestly couldn't care less if he's vigged or whatever. He looks really scummy to me as both alignments in every game so no comment there. Blubb's response to my case was satisfactory so doubt ill be leaving my vote there by the end of this cycle, but he needs to do a lot more then just that. chronological order. I really did want to take my vote off blubb but had something to do at work and I couldn't be around for the time near the lynch. If I'm gonna get lynched for the second time due to real life reasons then so be it. | ||
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On September 18 2013 02:09 kushm4sta wrote: basically i already solved the game and no one is listening to me because they are dumb nah kush I agree with you, i already suspected grack and im much more suspicious of pandain now given that OP was scum. If you look back I added to your case given the fact that pandain had a townread on me then as soon as people suspect me as mafia he does a 180 and says " i am suspicious" in his reads post with no reasoning given. | ||
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don't forget about koshi/grack/kush/pandain vote shenanigans from day 1. don't need to be a rocket science just take a quick glance through the voting thread. koshi is on SnB wagon then switches to blubb when that isn't happening. then later in the game blames me constantly for lynching blubb. hypocritical and terrible logic all balled into one big bag of scum. His incessant push on me as he uses rayn to talk for him leaves me pretty much confirmed on this. Grack is one of the first people on OP, ok cool. Then when he is about to be lynched, he ninja vote switches. Suspicious much? between that and the other minor points ive been concerned about is enough to have me giving him a good chance to flip red. Kush's play this game has actually been fine so not too concerned here. But if you look he had his vote on a random meaningless place (gk) to start. Then OP picks up steam and he realizes that his vote is actually needed to stop a scum lynch. consequently switches to blubb. This is pretty suspicious but not sure if it's enough to convict him. Recently, he's been making a shit load of sense Pandain - this one is the strangest. This guy literally went ape shit about OP being lynched despite having a cool head the whole game. Who hard buddies as scum that badly? that's what is throwing me off. I dont know his play though, and he could have just panicked as scum. SnB - this guy to a much lesser extent, I don't see that random zealos push being scum motivated. Very similar to pandain, too obvious to be scum or just scum? You guys decide if I die. Think that's pretty much it. I believe the mason claim because you can't fake that unless both scum and what a incredibly dumb and risky play that would be. Shame that we have a mason though, not a particularly good role. | ||
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On September 18 2013 10:19 Grackaroni wrote: Scum have Roleblockers in pretty much every game. Town RBs are Jailkeepers. No Jailkeeper in his right mind would have Jailed S&B n1. It's logical to assume from the n1 actions that there is 1 roleblocker and that roleblocker is scum. Now vayne supposedly has the knowledge that he was Roleblocked and at the same time wonders if scum could have RB'd Koshi and that was the reason there was a dead veteran. He shouldn't be wondering this if he was actually Roleblocked. It makes no sense. Either he was thinking there was 2 roleblockers or it's a slip. there's so much fabricated in this post I don't even know where to begin. The latest newbie game has town roleblockers, not jailkeepers. So just...so very wrong and irrelevant. Why would a town roleblocker not hit SnB? A lot of people were suspicious of him but the wagon was stopped by me and others. He is now confirmed to be town, but at the time he wasn't looking so great to a lot of other people. Koshi never mentioned getting RB'ed, so you are trying to read into something that isn't even there. There is no basis to anything you just said here! complete nonsense. The question was purely for my own enjoyment since @ my forum (epicmafia.com) veterans cannot be roleblocked. (there called bulletproofs) why are you trying to paint me as scum for such an artificial and stupid reason? | ||
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Just satisfying a question that I had. Save the scumhunting for things that are actually pertinent. | ||
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On September 18 2013 13:37 Oatsmaster wrote: So either Vayne and kush are right, and those dudes are scum. Or they are wrong and are scum. You know what. I think Vayne is faking his reads. They are so bad. I cant believe that he wouldve not switched on at least one of them right now. if they are bad can you show me then? i just wrote a ton of posts on why they are the scummiest to me. you'll have to tell me why its bad to take you seriously. | ||
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i dont see how claiming for no reason makes some one town. It confused everyone and spammed the thread for no reason. Not to mention that wan't even his claim, he goes back and changes it again once he realizes that he doesn't wanna be a vet. Combine that with him taking vote last second off OP and he is pretty anti-town and suspicious. | ||
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On September 18 2013 19:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like to hear your thought process behind these posts vayne. To me this souds really odd because of the following: SnB was roleblocked N1. He was town. You were roleblocked N2. You know you are town. There was only 1 death N1. Town veteran died N2 with SnB. In any case, for you, there are 2 roleblock claims. SnB was town so he wa not lying. You should automatically assume Koshi was hit on N1 and N2. Why do you need to know if veteran ability can be blocked or not before you can say so, you were roleblocked, remember? Or are you scum, roleblocked Koshi on N2 and hit him, and now you are going "see guys, i am right" and fakeclaiming the roleblock? Also why would mafia not roleblock you if you are town? I just spent the last 5 pages explaining it, you can't be serious right? read the thread moron | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is nothing else to say than: "I got roleblocked, that means scum hit Koshi on N1 and N2". Why did you even ask the hosts if vet can be roleblokced? What's the point? You said "as Koshi did not claim roleblock on D2 it means he was hit on both nights". What? Like scum roleblock the veteran N1 and hit him on N2 and he dies? ROFLLLLL! once again, i already explained everything you just posted. learn 2 read | ||
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On September 18 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, let's talk about something else. This is going nowhere. I made a post about people's reactions to N1 start OP's last second vote / his claim. Ignore my analysis on yourself, what do you think about it? pretty dumb, should probably focus on the actually important and scummy things like I have instead of one liner mod questions and one liners responding to a lynch. If that's how you find scum then no wonder you leave so many towns in disarray. Just as a point, in my "analysis" you say that I ignore the most important point in the thread, when I have not even read it yet. Makes a lot of sense! Oh wait it's complete and utter shit. | ||
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On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote: that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that. @grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. On September 13 2013 04:28 VayneAuthority wrote: you and grack were the ones to jump on panda's opening post and that's probably my biggest scumtell in this game so far. I don't think you should downplay that my friend. (pandain association, seeing a scum partner's opening post as scummy due to outside knowledge) On September 14 2013 03:06 VayneAuthority wrote: oh and some one mentioned how that random grack/WoS argument was terrible and I agree. No longer have a townread on WoS. all he did was come in and talk about grack only, nothing else. pretty strange imo (We later find out WoS is survivor, so this is why I added this quote. Looks like WoS knows something is up but doesn't give a shit since he's 3P) On September 14 2013 14:53 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't feel the need to repeat myself, if I see anything worthy of deep analysis then ill post it. You asked for scumreads and I gave an overview of what i've seen from day 1. It's not so much outdated as getting badgered to re-iterate what I have already said. If you actually thought this was all shitty then you would have said something before now I presume. (starts attacking me day 2 when it is town sentiment that im scummy) On September 14 2013 15:12 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't get where the pandain thing is coming from but its more of a meta read, considering he actually hasn't done that much if you read his filter. (Pandain association) The whole fakeclaim thing, can't even quote any of that to summarize how dumb/anti-town it was On September 17 2013 02:08 VayneAuthority wrote: assuming you are town here then im going with koshi/grack/lurker. 3 man scum team makes sense with 2 survivors, and I don't have a scum read on any other contributors in the game. (I forgot pandain was even in this game at this point, he is the lurker.) On September 17 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote: I think it's wrong and this game reminds me a lot more of him in sicilian than persona. You need to go back and read that. He used vivax as a puppet the whole game and got "fake angry" multiple times that game. it's so similar to this. Except in this game, he's using you as his puppet. I have thought grack was scum for a while now, between what he did day 1 with the subtly asking for people's opinions and stuff before the game was really fleshed out. He wanted to know who he could push as mafia. Then you add in all this fake claiming stuff and it's stupid. doesn't help town at all. As I said earlier that fake fight between him and koshi looked extremely fake so that's the nail in the coffin for me. don't know who's the 3rd if it's not you but I assume kush/umasi/zealos or something (ignore staged argument since that's wrong now, but fact stands that their argument shit up the thread) On September 18 2013 02:12 VayneAuthority wrote: nah kush I agree with you, i already suspected grack and im much more suspicious of pandain now given that OP was scum. If you look back I added to your case given the fact that pandain had a townread on me then as soon as people suspect me as mafia he does a 180 and says " i am suspicious" in his reads post with no reasoning given. (abrupt reads change to agree with town sentiment, association tells galore) On September 18 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote: like a 0% chance that I die but in case I do, I cannot stress this enough after that flip don't forget about koshi/grack/kush/pandain vote shenanigans from day 1. don't need to be a rocket science just take a quick glance through the voting thread. koshi is on SnB wagon then switches to blubb when that isn't happening. then later in the game blames me constantly for lynching blubb. hypocritical and terrible logic all balled into one big bag of scum. His incessant push on me as he uses rayn to talk for him leaves me pretty much confirmed on this. Grack is one of the first people on OP, ok cool. Then when he is about to be lynched, he ninja vote switches. Suspicious much? between that and the other minor points ive been concerned about is enough to have me giving him a good chance to flip red. Kush's play this game has actually been fine so not too concerned here. But if you look he had his vote on a random meaningless place (gk) to start. Then OP picks up steam and he realizes that his vote is actually needed to stop a scum lynch. consequently switches to blubb. This is pretty suspicious but not sure if it's enough to convict him. Recently, he's been making a shit load of sense Pandain - this one is the strangest. This guy literally went ape shit about OP being lynched despite having a cool head the whole game. Who hard buddies as scum that badly? that's what is throwing me off. I dont know his play though, and he could have just panicked as scum. SnB - this guy to a much lesser extent, I don't see that random zealos push being scum motivated. Very similar to pandain, too obvious to be scum or just scum? You guys decide if I die. Think that's pretty much it. I believe the mason claim because you can't fake that unless both scum and what a incredibly dumb and risky play that would be. Shame that we have a mason though, not a particularly good role. And finally, the most recent argument where grack tries to paint me as scum based on a mod question. LOL! If anyone doesn't think that grack/pandain are the last scum then too bad, guess you can't be convinced. | ||
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On September 19 2013 01:26 Sn0_Man wrote: Because Grack and Pandain could have just decided on either zealos or blubb and forced the lynch through without OP revealing himself by voting zealos. Only one of the people who were around at lynch can reasonably be scum (apart from OP) because if both were around there is no situation where OP has to reveal himself. I was saying it That actually makes a lot of sense, nice analysis. My counter though is that what would you do if you were about to lose your godfather day 1? Could you keep a calm head and not panic in the shitshow that was the end of day 1? I wasn't around at the deadline but from the timestamps it looks like the voting was hectic and no one even knew the final tally. | ||
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On September 18 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Kush's play this game has actually been fine so not too concerned here. But if you look he had his vote on a random meaningless place (gk) to start. Then OP picks up steam and he realizes that his vote is actually needed to stop a scum lynch. consequently switches to blubb. This is pretty suspicious but not sure if it's enough to convict him. Recently, he's been making a shit load of sense this is pretty much the only thing this game that paints kush as scum, besides that he has looked pretty town recently. (biased since he came to a similar conclusion as me) | ||
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On September 19 2013 08:27 Umasi wrote: People who won't lynch zealos, why is he town? My biggest gripe is OP switching his vote to zealos to save himself. what's the point of saving yourself in that manner to just kill another scum? He's SK or town, I don't see him as scum. Too easy and doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On September 20 2013 01:59 Grackaroni wrote: I think that you should have better reads if you are town and actually analyze the thread but I'm just also thrown off by the fact that you didn't seem to have any clue how the RB/veteran worked and I feel like if you were actually scum you would have came in and sheeped Rayn's reasoning rather than writing out that bad case and drawing attention to yourself. God I don't even know what to think at this point could you explain why you think town should have better reads than scum when scum have all the answers to the game, while town don't? rayn is only concerned by the voting aspect of you guys but there is a lot more to it then that. I am confused as to why he is voting me again given that I have shown him that his case doesn't make sense. | ||
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On September 20 2013 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are already admitting doing nothing any more in this phase? yea, the deadline is in a few hours if you werent aware. 4 if i recall. Need to read over the votes from day 1 and compare them to here but im pretty sure grack is the correct lynch today. | ||
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On September 20 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: ok my last 100% read. IS THAT VAYNE IS SCUM. And Grack is town. Wheeeee. Vayne has been a lot less egoistical than normal. And he has been a lot less involved than normal other than shouting LYNCH PANDAIN AND GRACK GUYS. Also cause I think kush is town and therefore wrong, that means that Vayne is trying to piggyback kush's push and other dudes pushes and look active while being totally fucking useless. Lynch this dude. Will flip red or black. 100%. If I wouldn't get modkilled I could say a lot more stuff. Nothing here you say makes sense anyway since I was pushing these people light years before kush. and please, useless coming from oats? Don't make me laugh. all you do is spam one liners. | ||
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On September 20 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay lynch Vayne. I have been saying all over this day "look at the votes from D1", i have been making analyses from them, i have encouraged people looking into them and commenting on my analyses. Now Vayne comes in, 4 hours before the deadline, and says "too late". scum. could I get an english translation? | ||
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you say kush was pushing pandain and debears on day 2. First off, I am not pushing debears in any way. Second off, Kush hasn't at any point actually voted for pandain, which means he isn't actually pushing them. I thought pandain was town day 1 but it has become apparent as the game progresses that his reads just suit his needs, demonstrated by his 180 on me with no reasoning. I have shown why grack/pandain are the most likely to flip scum. The posts you quoted aren't the case on blubbers, so good job lying again. The post is right after my post with the sorting hat GIF. I have no reason to make a case on debears, because I do not find him scummy. Please find any game of mine where I actively push people checkmate virgin | ||
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On September 20 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have been encouraging people to look into D1 votes and making analyses about them. You have ignored the analyses, you have not looked into D1 voting. Now you say that's important but it's "too late" to look into it before D3 ends. Townies look into important things. You are not willing to do so. You are not willing to comment on analysis regarding those important things. Therefore you are not town. On September 18 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote: like a 0% chance that I die but in case I do, I cannot stress this enough after that flip don't forget about koshi/grack/kush/pandain vote shenanigans from day 1. don't need to be a rocket science just take a quick glance through the voting thread. koshi is on SnB wagon then switches to blubb when that isn't happening. then later in the game blames me constantly for lynching blubb. hypocritical and terrible logic all balled into one big bag of scum. His incessant push on me as he uses rayn to talk for him leaves me pretty much confirmed on this. Grack is one of the first people on OP, ok cool. Then when he is about to be lynched, he ninja vote switches. Suspicious much? between that and the other minor points ive been concerned about is enough to have me giving him a good chance to flip red. Kush's play this game has actually been fine so not too concerned here. But if you look he had his vote on a random meaningless place (gk) to start. Then OP picks up steam and he realizes that his vote is actually needed to stop a scum lynch. consequently switches to blubb. This is pretty suspicious but not sure if it's enough to convict him. Recently, he's been making a shit load of sense Pandain - this one is the strangest. This guy literally went ape shit about OP being lynched despite having a cool head the whole game. Who hard buddies as scum that badly? that's what is throwing me off. I dont know his play though, and he could have just panicked as scum. SnB - this guy to a much lesser extent, I don't see that random zealos push being scum motivated. Very similar to pandain, too obvious to be scum or just scum? You guys decide if I die. Think that's pretty much it. I believe the mason claim because you can't fake that unless both scum and what a incredibly dumb and risky play that would be. Shame that we have a mason though, not a particularly good role. O rly? you can stop lying now, you look pathetic and desperate again. | ||
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as for your previous post I dont understand why you think just saying "oh yea dude is town, I can agree with him now" is not a ninja vote switch. how do you just all of a sudden gain a town read in the last moments of voting and it convienently goes from a scum lynch to non-scum lynch? Agree to disagree on your 2nd point, im not going to argue over opinions with you. it's analysis to me. | ||
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On September 20 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least everyone not voting is town. Time to start making cases scum. I am waiting. I have said pretty much all I need to say, I don't like repeating myself. Last 2 or 3 pages of my filter tell the story of what I think today. If you still go ahead and lynch me, it's on you and I expect you guys to win the game without me or ill be pissed. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: There's a sk, a survivor, a rb, a gf. That's 4 anti-town roles. there's an additional mafia member, so that's 5 anti-town. 4 blues makes sense we never confirmed that the roleblock is scum sided, in fact they would have no reason to roleblock me. only a town RB would have rb'ed me imo. That's kind of what I was fishing at. still think we have a town RB'er. Im hesitant to believe your claim for this reason, but if no one CCs then fuck it. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:15 Papa_Smurf wrote: I don't see a town rb blocking SnB night one tbh au contraire, there was a huge SnB wagon that got derailed by me and you if I recall. a lot of people were suspicious of him. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:17 Papa_Smurf wrote: not really. When BH claimed survivor, he should have been rbed by town, due to likelihood of sk. Remember, BH claimed in night phase doesn't look like anyone's CCing anyway so this argument is pretty pointless, your claim is legitimate considering the roles we know about. | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Or lynch vayne? He is wasting his vote atm and not taking any hard stances like townies should at this point. probably because im getting ignored here, i just told you if you dont want kush lynched to join my vote but you won't, pretty annoying | ||
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##unvote ##vote:pandain if he flips scum this game is over, grack is partner and rayn SK. | ||
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he is confirmed SK, finally this game is solved. KILL PANDAIN, WE LOSE IF KUSH IS LYNCHED I JUST REALIZED | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:55 Papa_Smurf wrote: this is terrible, terrible reasoning considering panda and raynp both look town terrible reasoning from your perspective, if you can provide insight on why pandain did a 180 on his read when I started to become more suspected ( scum play) and why rayn is looking extremely desperate this lynch then im all ears. Grack switched vote out of OP as soon as wagon picked up steam. I don't see where you think im wrong here | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:58 Papa_Smurf wrote: Idk how you can think kush's reaction to my claim (giving up) is indicative of town play and not scum play probably because kush is playing well and is getting lynched for it too? I would be pretty annoyed too if I was lynched in his circumstance. Im also pretty sure i have this game solved at this point | ||
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On September 20 2013 07:17 Umasi wrote: if both shots go through on town, it becomes 3v2v1 right? yea, we still have a slight chance to win. have to hope they distrust each other. | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Vayne is scum and hard bussed his scumbuddy Pandain over voting for kush? you know that nobody was going to switch their vote and I would get massive town credit so that's not a bad idea. Doesn't matter since I'm not scum anyway. The only reason you can't see that is because you are the SK. I have proven everything you have thrown at me this game to be a lie, until you actually want to start playing the game you are dead to me. | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: And that brings us back to the fact: I must be SK if debears is telling the truth. Why would i as SK lynch kush over Pandain? Killing pandain confirms you as anti-town, unless there is a framer/miller or whatever in this game but then this setup would be getting pretty bastard tier so I doubt it. The whole "Why would I kill panadin over kush if im anti-town!1! lolz!1 is purely WIFOM. I expect a better argument then that from you! | ||
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rayn if you and pandain are town as you say, why are you so hellbent on the idea that I'm scum? I have refuted all your arguments and played your little games with you but nothing matters apparently. I still have not seen pandain's reason for his 180 read on me when i started gathering suspicion and why you continue to cling on to me this entire game as a mislynch opportunity, its absurd | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Vayne, i would expect more of an analysis from you. Remember you are the "night kill analyzer" as you have graded yourself, remember? "I do nothing and look at the night kills and work from there". Where is these analysis now? Tell me, what is my game plan as SK? Why can't anyone else be SK? Why do you want to find the SK and not mafia? are you really quoting something from my newbie games/early games here ^^? oh my god LoL Your gameplan as SK is to get me mislynched at this point I presume, Nobody else can be SK in my mind because I have the game figured out. The grack/pandain associations and what they have done this game are too good to pass up they are both scum. By proxy, debears checks makes you SK. I have found both actually so that is incorrect. I actually wanted to lynch scum yesterday since they are more dangerous but nobody else felt the need to. | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am town, i think debears is telling the truth about his claim (apparently you think so too). Therefore i KNOW Pandain is town. I believe Umasi is town. That leaves me 4 people. Sno can't be scum. I find it hard to believe Grack is scum. Do you get the idea? Why are you and Oats so simple-minded in saying "noone else than rayn can be the SK"? Like, is there not another possibility? Fine, call me SK, but then tell me reasons for it! I gave reasons why voting kush over Pandain was dumb if i was SK. Prove me wrong you fuckers! Could you give your reasoning for sn0 not being scum? I don't see it either since he agrees with me but you need to give something more then that to have a real discussion about this game | ||
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On September 21 2013 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: His post where he calls BlazingHand a possible role in this game. Do you think he would do that as scum knowing BH is his scumbuddy? Why would he smurf if he wanted to be known? He could have not told his team about his identity. I feel like you pick really...cant say it....reasons for thinking people are town or scum and you don't THINK! | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:03 Sn0_Man wrote: Thats a pretty terrible reason tbh. However I'm town so somehow its accurate or something? I think the "hard-defending free-mislynch kush" is probably a better giveaway. yea and that's why I don't think he's town this game. He keeps trolling me all game with these awful cases on me and gives bad reasons for why he thinks people are town. he is probably just laughing this whole game since he knows with his rep he would never win as SK anyway. | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Really Vayne, REALLY? You think smurfs fuck off their mafia team by not telling who they are? ROFL! could you explain the benefits of a mafia team knowing some one is BH instead of just smurf? | ||
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On September 21 2013 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prove i am SK Vayne. Go! I can't prove you are SK unless I was somehow cheating. With the knowledge I am given, it seems likely though. otherwise you would not be tunneling me saying I automatically have to be in every scumteam. | ||
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On September 21 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you asking that was bullshit. What was the point of claiming? so we could lynch debears? if you are actually the doctor then he is obv scum. we could have won the game if you claimed wtf... | ||
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Scum and SK both shoot umasi, doesn't really tell us anything. scenario two: We accept that both debears and rayn's role claims are legit. With 4 blue roles, it is now much more likely that scum is in posession of a framer. What this would mean is that rayn was framed at some point if he is in fact the doctor, making pandain confirmed scum. scenario three: (Most likely imo) Either our parity cop or doctor is fake. The bread crumb is terrible and the timing of the claim makes no sense given that he could have saved town yesterday if he claimed. scenario four: SK just hit debears and rayn saved him, scum roleblocked debears and shot umasi. which would clear debears/rayn and that brings us back to scenario two. So even though I am personally biased against scenario 3, there is a pretty solid chance scenario 2 or 4 happened | ||
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On September 21 2013 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whisch one of the claims is fake nad why? well thats what im thinking about right now. debears claim is much more believable for a multitude of reasons: 1. your overall play is scummier 2. You fake claim every day all day, its like the guy crying wolf or whatever 3. your breadcrumb is frankly, awful 4. already asked for other blue claims so we could guarantee a scum lynch and you didn't come out. They don't even have to be fake as I explained, but yours is much worst. like it's not even close | ||
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On September 21 2013 09:36 VayneAuthority wrote: so im asking to see your case on why im scum and what you want me to explain in that post. you still have not said what you want elaborated. | ||
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If any of this doesn't make sense then ask now. ##vote:pandain | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:19 Grackaroni wrote: Ok so then mafia shot the SK. Why did the SK shoot Umasi? What's the point there was no way Umasi was mafia. SK should be trying to balance out the game. That doesn't appear to be the case. The SK probably thought he was safe with his vest and wanted to limit town numbers, hoping mafia would do the same so they could joint today or whatever. but luckily for us that didn't happen | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:12 Papa_Smurf wrote: This whole lack of hit notifications thing sucks o.O. So we are left with Vayne sn0 grack. Those are likely the scumteam + sk. I gotta think of lylo scenarios and such to where we can win problem here is that I am town so you are certainly missing something in your analysis. There is nothing that points to me being scum this game except for people constantly shouting it. The correct lynch today is pandain, there is no scenario in this game where he isn't scum as I've outlined. | ||
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On September 22 2013 02:44 Papa_Smurf wrote: Yeah. Sn0 has to be sk. Vayne has to be scum (otherwise his question about the rb makes no sense) Ok so now it has to be down to grack and oats for the final scum. also can you explain why my rb question makes sense if im scum? I already explained why I asked it. | ||
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On September 22 2013 00:15 VayneAuthority wrote: have you played mafia before grackaroni? mod confirmed SK coming back mafia alignment, meaning its a bulletproof role this game..I clearly explained it in my previous post. With that said, i don't think rayn is the best kill today, pandain is since he is part of the mafia team. better to leave 1 of each alive and make them 2nd guess the other. There is the chance of a framer with rayn being doctor so its the safest play. If he isn't he is currently an SK with no more protection; he's a sitting duck with a mafia roleblocker. If any of this doesn't make sense then ask now. ##vote:pandain this is why oats, unless you can persuade me why rayn would be better | ||
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both rayn or pandain would make a fine framer target, considering they were both prominent players in this game. Hence, pandain is mafia. I get that it isn't as obvious to you since I know I'm town but pandains play hasn't made sense this game and I hope you would see that... | ||
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I guess you ignored the last line because that plays into not voting for you as well. If you think im just going to leave my vote uselessly at this point you are sadly mistaken. | ||
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On September 23 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah and Oats is trying to sell people that there is no doctor BUT there is a framer. *ding ding* And you are doing the same thing here. :D no i was voting pandain because there is the possibility of a doctor/framer added to the game. But you refuse to read the game so that's why I dont bother talking to you anymore | ||
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That would be bastard as shit dude. If you start making sense at any point then I could humor the option of oats/grack scum team and sn0_man being SK. | ||
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Survivor/SK usually balance each other out since one tends to play for the winning side and the other plays for the losing side. That leaves us with 4 blue PRs vs 2 scum PRs. No game that I know of has ever had that. If you are truly the doctor, then you would discuss the options more of a framer, but you aren't. that's why I don't believe you, in a nutshell. If I'm wrong then so be it, but it logically doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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On September 23 2013 03:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: My problem is that when i believeably lay out a succesful doctor save (unless both scum and SK hit Umasi), my scumreads instantly go "fuck, there must be a framer! Pandain still 100% scum kthxbye" without thinking any other possibilities. That's what you/Oats have been doing this phase. That, or calling me SK and therefore Pandain scum. For you, why is it impossible that Oats/Grack/Sno is 2 scum + SK? Why is the framer ONLY solution to what has happened (assuming i am doctor)? Because frankly, I am tunneling since pandain is lurking and you aren't making sense to me. I did outline all the scenarios and pandain seems like the safest bet to me as I explained. I don't enjoy that you are ignoring that. I can admit I am somewhat tunneling but I definitely have reason to. You have made this game impossible for me whether you are town or scum by calling me scum the entire game. | ||
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I analysed the votes, I have quoted the post multiple times, lying is bad! why are all your reasons that im scum based on lies? | ||
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 if the scum scrubs were paying attention then they saw that rayn pretty much has to be doctor. Accidentally posted the video game flavor stuff before resolution which might have been a mistake. | ||
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On September 24 2013 09:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because the only way town can win is if there is no SK. If there is no SK, it means you are lying about N2 roleblock and you roleblocked Koshi instead and hit WoS on N1. TLDR; If there is no SK, you HAVE to be mafia. If there is SK, town lost already. Therefore everyone who is town should vote for you. That doesn't make any sense considering I am town, so you probably overlooked something. I agree with you that there is no SK (confirmed by the fact that you were roleblocked/doctor is real by setup deduction) but disagree that this makes me mafia. Why do I have to be lying about the roleblock? I have no reason to do so. | ||
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On September 25 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote: Alright here, let's assume for our purposes that town hasn't lost. I will say why Oats is scum. Grack is clearly not, by the way, because he is trying to get us to post, when he could have just lurked into victory if scum. if you don't think grack is scum then why does it matter? you have already concluded that me and oats are the last two scum lol. I've said my piece and if I could shorten the deadline I would, I just wanna see the endgame post at this point. really doubt its you/rayn but well played if it is | ||
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On September 25 2013 13:29 Pandain wrote: Because nothing is certain, and I want to start with what I'm more confident in. I would ask all town members to follow me, as assuming its 3 versus 2, we need to unite. And I am indeed town. if you are town then rayn is town by proxy, we've figured out the game at this point besides the fact that rayn thinks there is a 1 shot vig and the roleblock incriminates me, as if I would be stupid enough to roleblock a vet and then ask if roleblocking a vet kills them in 1 hit right after I did it. I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario in where he isn't right though so I'm not sure what happened. | ||
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On September 26 2013 00:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol. For me Pandain was and is confirmed town because i do not buy the framer bullshit. As i said back then, should i have voted for confirmed town instead of unconfirmed town? I voted for Sno_man because i thought he had a bigger chance of flipping SK than you. Your vet fakeclaim and defence on debears made no sense from SK perspective because you would have no reason to stick your neck out and defend town!debears OR scum!debears. You are asking stupid questions. And that makes me think you are mafia. All the answers for those questions are in thread. if you think he's mafia then why not vote for him? I'm town. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: And Vayne, by your contributions you look the scummiest of all. If you are town you should probably try start actually saying something from the beginning of the game. You were completely useless before D3 and that's fishy as hell. that's pretty incorrect but I digress, you have no intention of winning this game. People said I looked the most town out of anyone day 1 and day 2 everyone just wanted to vote for what I thought was an actual survivor so there wasn't discussion that day anyway. How is a 2 shot vig not possible? if you are truly a doctor then it's very possible. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think people said that. At least i didn't, nor did Pandain (who are btw town -- me and him) LOL you have terrible memory. Day 1 pandain called me the most town in the thread hahaha. god you are bad. | ||
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On September 13 2013 15:41 Pandain wrote: Hi everyone; first of all I'm glad that people have started to consolidate their posts and begin to respectfully debate. Raynpelikoneet, I am interested in how you came to the conclusion that SnB is scum, and while I'm sure you can make an argument through looking at his posts and responding in analysis, I don't think that the end result actually lends himself to him being scum; at least not the way that you say. You say he fucked off, yet he could easily be AFK or simply have ignored you. Which is fine, especially if he's trying to be playing like the greats, in where you ignore people all the time because they're making flawed and ultimately inconsequential points. Basically, not worthy of your accusation. You also say he didn't contribute shit, yet I think in the posts he has made he has made more thoughtful points than even you perhaps, quote; He took a stance on my analysis of him and said it was bad, despite the fact I proffered that it meant it struck me as town. So even trying to challenge that is a small advance for him. He also said this: Maybe that's why he's ignoring you/ seems hit and run? To me there are some slight questionable things, but really there are questionable things in almost every post anyone makes, if you look hard enough. I think your reasons are flawed and he should be given more time. Original Panther I also think Original Panther is more suspicious than before, due to the fact he's so bent on lynching kush. I might be more interested, however, if I didn't already objectively think lynching Kush is the right move. OP is suspicious in me in that he's not actually advocating anyone to be lynched, which is questionable to me given all his analysis that he did; he actually offers no strong opinions. I also slightly agree that he might be trying to simply appear like a contributing town while in reality he doesn't push for anything or make use of his analysis; however I think it would be more beneficial to pressure him now, and make him give opinions. Finally, there is suspicious and then there is worthy to be lynched day one. Actually it's interesting why the SnB lynch took off. I also want to draw attention to Koshi for pretty suspicious behavior. + Show Spoiler + Immediately after SnB's last two posts, Koshi posted this. On September 13 2013 03:26 Koshi wrote: SnB dropping some knowledge. /signed for truth On September 13 2013 06:58 Koshi wrote: There is truth in what he says. But the problem is it might not really apply to this game. He says a lot of things that sounds smart/correct but meh. On September 13 2013 06:49 Koshi wrote: I want to lynch Pandain, Goodkarma or SnB. On September 13 2013 07:07 Koshi wrote: You say that this is incorrect? If I read this I nod my head and think "yeah this is true". But in the end he doesn't commit to shit. I also have a problem that he uses the example about you grilling me about OP for 2 hours, which was pretty tedious indeed, but then twists this conversation between us to make everything else he says about you true or at least have more value. tldr: I feel like SnB is being sneaky. Pretty interesting, shows to me he's not actually trying to investigate and instead he just makes opinions. Also don't understand how he objectively changed, I don't think it's sneaky at all, and I think this is bad contrived reasoning. I will later post on why kushm4sta should be lynched. here's an interesting post I found when looking through his filter though. one of his first big posts in the game. Only addresses OP and rayn. Pretty strange. The problem I have is that putting in 3 of the main characters of golden sun and having the 4th being a fake claim verges on the edge of bastardizing the game. it's hard to believe. | ||
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How would I know to roleblock koshi to kill him in 1 shot btw? this is actually pretty important. If you can explain this ill be surprised. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:47 Grackaroni wrote: He looks like scum who knows he's going to be lynched and doesn't care. well in the end it's just a game so i don't really care either way. just wondering why rayn is so colossally dumb at this point. that's about my only mission today | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah we called you town because of your argument with debears and your read on SnB. Then you proceeded to do nothing useful. Then we called you scum on N1. oh right, after OP started to look horrible along with pandain you started to call me scum ^^ interesting | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl. Anyone who didn't get that Koshi is a possible veteran from his reaction to Grack's fakeclaim is an idiot. At least BH is not an idiot and he was alive on D2. so as scum I decided to waste 2 power roles on a simple reaction from a player that is known to be tricky. This coming from a person that fakeclaims all the time. HMM WHY AM I NOT BUYING THIS LOL. as expected you have no way of answering this question, you're either complete shit or scum, pick one | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, OP looked terrible from the first post of the game. Don't twist what i have done this game. I'm not twisting anything. You are the one that changed your reads to suit your needs, as did Pandain. As soon as people started to call me scum, he hopped on the bandwagon without giving any reasoning. | ||
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On September 26 2013 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote: pandain vayne scumteam Grack? not possible. its either you/grack or rayn/panda. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just explained why it is impossible for a scumteam with BH in it to not know Koshi is a veteran. Koshi was never to get lynched. If you want to kill him, you HAVE TO roleblock and shoot him. You are associating being smart with taking an obvious claim at face value. Who do you know that's a good player that would see some one say "lol im veteran" in thread and actually think they are veteran? This is just so bad. Wasting a roleblock on somebody you are going to kill is asinine, I would have never agreed to that. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, this post is so wrong. First of all, Koshi did never claim veteran. Smart people saw that he is a veteran (BH absolutely). Second. You can't lynch Koshi, not in this game. He was too town. If you want to kill Koshi you need to roleblock and hit him. It's simple. rofl, this post is so wrong. You just said it was obvious that he was a veteran, yet he never claimed it. Whats the difference? If he is implying he is a veteran than who would actually think he is a veteran? why are you so dumb my god. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop it already scum. what exactly are you bolding? the reasons why you are an idiot? | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fact that you are unable to understand the logic in the first place makes you scum. You are better than this. im unable to comprehend why you are so bad at this game, that's about it. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well convince me why Oats is scum. I don't believe Grack is mafia. First of all this statement doesn't make sense, If you are going to unvote they both have to be scum. I don't know what you want me to say about him, all he did this game was drop a vote on OP randomly and peace out, riding his towncred for this whole game pretty much. He's been passive for the most part and hasn't done anything that should make you think he is town. Grack unvoted OP last second probably realizing that they couldn't afford to have both their votes on him when it became a real possibility for him to be lynched. Oats wasn't there so grack took it upon himself to save OP. If you still support your confirmation bias theory then grack made that fakeclaim to lure out koshi as veteran to gauge his reaction to see if there night one shot was a doctor save or veteran. i dont have much else to say to you, either you believe me or not, its w/e. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well Oats dropped a vote on mafia and fucked off. You dropped a vote on townie and fucked off. That's my problem in you vs Oats.. Both of you have done nothing that make me think you are town after D1.. how is that alignment indicative? again, sicilian mafia, me and sloosh. If you have an easy opportunity to bus scum then you do it. it's an easy way to win since town never considers it. If it actually made oats so town why was he never shot? | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm starting to warm up to Oats lynch just because of pure stupidity. but then we are in the same situation tomorrow where you think it's me over grack. so it actually changes nothing. I need to covince you that grack is scum a lot more then oats. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Vayne you are right. That is indeed pretty similar, even more scum sided. that is why im not sure why you are resisting that solution when you know you are a doctor if you are telling the truth, which is making me annoyed at you. an additional blue role should make this option much more viable but instead you are shutting it down. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay i get you. We need Pandain here though. I know he just posted in the other game he is in. Pandain, wanna kill Oatsmaster? like I said earlier my problem here is that killing oats essentially does nothing. both of you are still convinced that grack cannot be scum so its the same fucking thing tomorrow and im going crazy enough with this one phase. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Man I really want to go to sleep. Vayne, who thinks you are town? ME!. Who wants to mislynch people? SCUM. Therefore Im not scum. Or Im scum with you. Right? So vote for rayn. Voting for rayn makes me scum unless really bastard hosting. 2 shot vig is only possible with a doctor, rayn is not scum. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: If we kill scum now you can be sure i will look at everything the remaining two people have done throughout the game, and cross-reference their actions/interactions to flipped scum. alright I can live with that. I will do anything I can tomorrow to make sure that you know I'm town. | ||
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On September 26 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: So that means you are scum. YOU SEE THE PROBLEM I HAVE HERE? One way, mechanics says that its unlikely. Another way, my reads say that you and Grack arent scum. Those are the 2 possible scumteams. Vayne/Grack Rayn/Pandain. So which one should I vote for Vayne? the setup wouldn't make any sense if rayn was scum and I don't see him making that big case on his partner day 1. you guys are actually mirror images in a way rayn = voted for OP and provided reasoning oats = voted for OP, little to no reasoning pandain = resisted OP lynch, provided reasoning grack = resisted OP lynch, providing little to no reasoning. see the problem here? | ||
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yea this is pretty suspicious, you are lurking far more then oats. time to contribute so I can actually get a read on you before this lynch is over. please say something of substance pandain. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Vayne what do you think of my statement above? what you said is fact, if you are town then those are the 2 scumteams available to you. The problem I have is I know I'm town and you/grack look a lot worse to me than rayn and pandain looks the worst with his lurking and saying others are lurking. I want him to post his opinions | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Ahaha. But if Im scum, I would just continue voting for you and sleep right? And act more normal because I already know what I need to do to win the game. You see, I must be town because I dont want to kill you. I don't agree since as you just saw the vote can change while you go to sleep. but yes its annoying since it pretty much looks like this rayn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oats > grack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandain so who is the scum, the super townie medic and useless lurker or the two people in the middle? From my perspective this setup makes more sense with the medic. If you and me are both town I will be pretty pissed. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats and Vayne, why do you need to get a read on Pandain to lynch scum? because he is the weak point of your team. So far you have just been speaking for both of you for a long time, it's hard to figure out if you are the scumteam when the better player is doing all the leg work. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote: No, think of it like if you are in the position im in, but scum. So you are scum. So Oats has 4 votes on him, including yours. You know Oats is town. Instead, you decide to try and yolo lynch the town medic. It sounds really bad right? Yeah. Thats why Im town. Im not really following, how is lynching the town medic good? for me to consider voting rayn you would have to have like a really glaring reason/case like when I showed the hole in his logic with the vig thing. if you can find him lying about something really important I would believe you more. Doesn't look like we're going to get any pandain contribution which is annoying. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:26 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont need to convince you. I can say by Process of elimination. Its by Process of elimination. you need to give some reasoning though of like some big mistake rayn made or something. I can't just vote for him because you say so? that is playing to lose | ||
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RIP debears. if there isn't a case oats why would I vote for him? I do not think you are more townie then rayn. as I stated already I think rayn is the towniest, with pandain being the least townie. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:34 Oatsmaster wrote: You want to lynch Pandain? I can lynch Pandain too. yea I would lynch pandain right now in a heartbeat if he wasn't attached to rayn, so he's lucky for that cuz he hasn't done shit since day 1. you have to prove to me somehow that there is only a parity cop/mason/veteran vs roleblock/godfather/vig...that doesnt make sense to me | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does me being a doctor have to do with my alignment? Is it the only reason you think i am town? you missed my earlier post. rayn/pandain = giving analysis/reasons on why they voted/didn't vote for OP oats/grack = not giving analysis reasons for voting/not voting OP who do you think is townier rayn? | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Setup is Setup. I cant prove what I dont know. What I do probably know, is that I think Grack is town, and therefore Rayn and Pandain is scum. ITs that simple. Everything revolves around my read on Grack. and I think it is more likely that you and grack are scum together so you can see why your read on grack is meaningless to me? you need to show me why rayn is scum, not why your connective partner is town. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok I cant take this. Im sleeping. Vayne, think about this. If you think that one of the players in the game is way more scummy than the rest of the players, it means that his partner is scum. No matter what right? So please. Think about it, If you think pandain is super scum, then Rayn MUST BE SCUM RIGHT? So vote for Rayn. LAST PLEA. PLEASE VAYNE. LETS WIN!. PKEASEE no dude its quite the opposite. Scum is as strong as their strongest player and town is as weak as their weakest player. So either you show me why rayn is the super strong scum player or I just think pandain is our terrible town player and rayn as medic is our best town player. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: For once, Oats, if you are town. Look at what has happened at this phase and think objectively. If you are town put your vote on Grackaroni. he's not going to vote his partner lol, this pretty much solidifies it for me. Our job here is done. he only wants to lynch me or you. | ||
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On September 26 2013 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I like this circular logic. But I got it first., And I explained it better. Therefore Im town. Rayn is trying any means to not lynch his scumteam. Think about it Vayne. At the start of the cycle, he wanted to lynch you. Then he wanted to lynch me. Now he wants to lynch Grack. All to find someone that the last townie would sheep. Cause scum needs 1 townie to vote with him. That makes Rayn scum. I called everyone scum except me. That means Im town. ok nevermind this kind of makes sense. rayn why are you trying to just vote for anyone at this point | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:01 Oatsmaster wrote: no im not able to see the town!motivation of your actions. Im gone. Vayne make the right call bby. alright im gonna read day 1 again and try to see if its a bus case or town case. rayn has been trying to figure out the game this whole time though (although he has tunneled me for a while and im still alive) so that will probably tell me the most. | ||
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On September 12 2013 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: 4) As i said earlier, dumb questions. The last one is fair. 5a) HE misses the fact that you were the one who called SnB uncomfortable first. Why does he want to know about that from SnB? From reading the thread he seems to be having a townread on SnB, i don't know his read on you. Why ask a townread why he calls another guy uncomfortable, why does he not want to know whay YOU think his townread is uncomfortable instead? 5b) VA's read on SnB is completely fine. For me this question reads as "SnB you are not allowed to think VA is town, because in case you guys think each other is town that removes two suspects from the pool". That's casting doubt on VA for his read on SnB and telling SnB to not trust VA (for what reason?). 6) See (5b). He is doing the same thing here, "guys, do not have a town read on VA". "Do you still have a scumread on SnB, as you unvoted him". Yeah, people usually unvote their scumreads, question makes totally sense! On September 12 2013 19:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: TLDR; His tone screams the motivation of breaking up townies plans on finding other townies to reduce the suspect pool. He does not accuse anyone, he is trying to break the good atmosphere town is trying to achieve (mainly SnB and VA). Vayne is totally town, he is shutting down bad cases and arguments. SnB is most likely town too for what vayne said. On September 12 2013 19:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Old Partner like I don't think you can fake this analysis as scum, it's exactly what I thought grack was also scummy for, trying to break up town circles and gauge interests for lynches in townies. This is simply not a case of bussing... | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter any more. If Oats is town Vayne & Grack will switch to me and we lose. If Vayne is town we win the game, because Grack is scum. from oats standpoint he knows that he doesn't want to vote grack since he would be lynched between me and him, so his only recourse was to try to get me to vote for you. once that didn't work I think he just gave up. | ||
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On September 26 2013 04:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't matter any more. If Oats is town Vayne & Grack will switch to me and we lose. If Vayne is town we win the game, because Grack is scum. that is wrong anyway, i have to leave soon. Won't be here for deadline. | ||
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On September 26 2013 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: At least i don't take it personally. No hard feelings! GG! You played well! you as well. You made grack panic quite a few times in the QT when you figured out the game haha | ||
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On September 26 2013 08:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl you guys are silly. I really wanna be scum with you vayne at some game. some epic shit throwing would be nice, so that we get both modkilled. :D the less I have to play scum the better, but perhaps one day | ||
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