EPTgonna go read thread idk when I'll get thoughts out, may or may not be super active idk yet.
kush, why are you lynching goodkarma( now known as me)
or are you lynching grack?
(since you abbreviated as goodkarma/grack go read obs thread)
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gonna go read thread idk when I'll get thoughts out, may or may not be super active idk yet. kush, why are you lynching goodkarma( now known as me) or are you lynching grack? (since you abbreviated as goodkarma/grack go read obs thread) | ||
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On September 12 2013 07:15 Koshi wrote: Policy. We lynch scum and only scum wham bam slam koshis town for this line (just gonna be spewing my thoughts forth into the world, take it with a degree of skepticalness. idk if I'll be around at lynch time tomorrow, so I'll just vote at the end of the night and probably rethink it once I wake up before class) | ||
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?? can someone explain starsenses for me tyty | ||
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Picking koshi may seem random, I picked him because his posts rubbed me the wrong way and I didn't want to meddle with the SnB bandwagon then. Is this scummy? Well it could be scummy if SnB were scum. Koshi's push against SnB then was even less justified then my read on Koshi. few things with this line, blub. kind of a wacky thing to phrase, but why didn't you want to mess with the wagon? like, why is that a thought that even entered your head? 'Should I interfere with this or not' and in the underlined, you say 'if SnB were scum' why are you speaking in a different tense than the present? I think it's a breach in mentality, you are scum, SAB is town, and since you know this, phrased it the way you did accidentally. ##VOTE BLUB your opening post struck me really wrong, the fact that you fos(or whatever you did, lightly pressure) grack makes me think grack is kinda townie since you're pretty scummy. gotta go to sleep now, not nearly done catching up with the thread, will check in in the morning and try to catch up as much as possible before school. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:14 blubbdavid wrote: Here: Take note that this put me on the hot seat. and here the post he refers to: After that I did an analysis on Zealos to satisfy papa. Still not caught up fwiw. Why would you do something to satisfy anyone? Also iPod posting sucks. | ||
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why is papa and blub scum together? | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:22 blubbdavid wrote: Because papa was correct that I hadn't post anything meaningful against Zealos at that point and it is very well his right to demand some more from me. right, so you post to satisfy? Post to get information/find scum. ridiculous reasoning, be more proactive instead of 'well someone wants it so I shall deliver.' | ||
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the word 'satisfy' means that you're playing for the threads opinion of you, unless I'm misunderstanding. | ||
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take it day by day. | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:31 blubbdavid wrote: EBWOP: first line: "If I flip scum..." Cmon Umasi, I bet it will be easier for town if we cooperate and deliver, and I delivered analysis. It is nothing bad. 'if I slip scum' q.e.d. we caught a scum on a scumslip of the word scumslip umasi es #1 (that was all a joke) I haven't gotten the time to go read everything you've said blubb, but your entry post felt like it broke the flow, so I went and skimmed your filter and found what I posted with the vote post, trying to be present to talk to people before I go to class and afk before lynch (this is the last time I can check in probably) | ||
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On September 14 2013 02:33 kushm4sta wrote: I totally get the desire to plynch me. What are the wagons what are you playing at kush | ||
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I haven't really read zealos too much, will look at him for the five minutes I have. | ||
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gotta go to class, laters. | ||
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##unvote not sure who I want instead of blubs though :| | ||
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specifically don't want to lynch SAB. kush, who are you voting for? you apparently think Goodkarma/Umasi is scum, but I don't know why, and I don't know why you aren't pushing this read. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote: Pandain Oats plays solo as town. He never consolidates and picks his target. He ends up being the only one voting for a person a lot. I remember Titanic. Kush you are seriously going to ask people to vote for you? Can I reveal who I think you are? why wouldn't you? | ||
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##VOTE OP I'm not too sure, but it feels like OP is a good bet. | ||
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On September 14 2013 05:09 Koshi wrote: You think Kush is scum? Why? Out of nowhere? no, because his reasoning seems to be 'fuck it' I'm not sold either way on kush. true afk now | ||
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fwiw I buy the roleclaim, I think it's stupid to not believe the roleclaim, it fits with his stated reasoning and pushing his lynch is blatantly pro scum anyone have things they want me to address specifically? I've kind of lost the flow of the thread since I've been afk/entered the thread late | ||
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on BH, I'm most suspicious of rayn and oats (probably rayn a bit moreso), I wasn't really feeling the SAB tunnel very much, and never really understood what he was trying to communciate. He just yelled HE'S SCUM HE'S SCUM HE'S SCUM WHY DON'T YOU GUYS WANT TO LYNCH SCUM is the main feel I got from him. He also has me as town during your discussion on people on BH being suspicious, and I have no idea what I'd done to be labelled as such :| referring to this post On September 14 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Grackaroni, Oatsmaster, [black]blubbdavid,[/black] Umasi, raynpelikoneet, [black]WaveofShadow[/black] Makes more sense to me than any other wagon. why am I town, why isn't WOS ( I have wos as kind of a town read.) on blub, I'm more inclined to say that no one on him was scum. If there was a scum on him, I'd look at kush first for his A: blatant don't give a fuck attitude, B: totally unexplained vote on GK(me) that would mean I think debs and zealot are town, and I think debs (papa smurf) could be, but zealot I'm less sure on. | ||
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reminds me of someone in a newbie game asking if claiming traitor was smart :| | ||
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fairly self evident | ||
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On September 15 2013 07:27 Grackaroni wrote: Actually with only 1 death, S&B's awesome crumb must have been wrong. BH is SQUM someone might have landed a protect. doesn't matter, he's obviously anti-town now, unless there are two of the same role in this game :|||| | ||
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it doesn't exist. | ||
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On September 15 2013 07:43 Old Partner wrote: OK 1) why wouldn't you bring this up earlier 2) how the dicks am I supposed to know, I haven't played the golden sun. If I were going to construct my own fakeclaim i'd probably use something from wikipedia or something right? In fact, the fact that it's not on wikipedia is evidence that my claim is legit! A fakeclaimer would use something obviously from the game. presumably you were provided with fakeclaims, and I had no reason to disbelieve your claim up to this point! Until now, obviously. | ||
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sorry about that I got excited. it feels ridiculous that there would be two survivors. If there are, I'll eat my hat. I don't even own a fucking hat. I'll go out to a store, buy a nice $20-25 hat, and eat it. | ||
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scum doesn't control the vote, and that's normally the wincon. | ||
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even in a semi-closed setup, the town could theoretically all be vigilantes. I'm bad at setup speculation though, so I'll be quiet :| | ||
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On September 15 2013 08:06 Koshi wrote: WAIT. IMAGINE BH IS THE SK. And SK also has hide ability. ROFFFFFFFFLllllllllllllllllllll Mind=blown | ||
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either there's two survivors or he's clearly lying :| | ||
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However, why WOULD I switch off blub? My vote was already on him, it would have been easy to just afk and stay on him, right? 'breach in mentality' as in I thought he was writing about things from a scum perspective. | ||
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basically, for the same reasons as pandain. | ||
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I don't see it in the thread | ||
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48 hours from that post, so sept 17 07:00 (according to my tl clocks) | ||
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why did you post that, grack? what did you hope to achieve by posting that? None of this is scum to me but just confusing. | ||
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I'm specifically avoiding getting involved in shitfests where poeple just shout at each other :| | ||
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why does it matter. | ||
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On September 16 2013 13:44 Pandain wrote: You are wrong, because Grackaroni , the former Mayor of Vale , is no other than Aldorus , another Survivor! I read that and then flipped a bitch and then realized it was a joke | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427569¤tpage=81#1618 read those three posts. Zealos, his talk about qt, and oats. Oats says hahahahahahaha in the same minute that zealos posts his thing about the qt. this is seriously giving me pause. | ||
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and then oats debunks it again. looks like oats is trying to cover it up, what are everyone elses thoughts about it? | ||
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I mean, Oats covering up a zealos scumslip. | ||
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But honestly. | ||
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On September 17 2013 05:17 Oatsmaster wrote: You guys know that I am of the view that Zealos is obv town and that nobody would ever scumslip like that. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. Ever.Ever. Umasi considering this is really bad. So is sn0dude. You're just attacking anyone who suggests it :| | ||
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if so, why? why would oats immediately do that? | ||
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but still, I want to know what everyone else thinks about oats/koshi/zealos | ||
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you don't think there's anything in Oats response at all? Like, if it was a joke, oats reaction is nonsensical. | ||
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jesus. Blazinghands support is irrelevant, he's basically forced to go along with it, but christ. | ||
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oats reaction is the most suspicious thing about it imo. | ||
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On September 15 2013 02:38 Zealos wrote: Stop speaking in absolutes. It makes you look very scummy. On September 15 2013 02:39 Zealos wrote: Woops, meant to put that in the QT :/ On September 15 2013 02:39 Oatsmaster wrote: hahahahhahha those three posts happened consecutively. | ||
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Zealos slips. Oats, noticing it, laughs to imply it was a joke, and as such trying to make it seem like it was intentional by zealos. That's what I've tried to communciate :| | ||
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sorry bh. ##vote bh zealos is my preferred d3 lynch. | ||
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idk, the entire thing breaks the flow and is so unnatural.... | ||
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I want to switch, but rationality says I shouldn't | ||
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On September 17 2013 06:39 Old Partner wrote: Look okay being serious here for a moment. When you look back on games, there are plays that get nominated for the yearly Mafia Awards. Plays like claims, or votes, or cases, or best teams, or whatever. There are even categories for boring stuff like "Best Policy Lynch"-- all these is fine and good. I tell you three times, I tell you now that if you lynch me today, there is no way you will make it into the TL Mafia Awards for this year for the play you make today. You know what's a big play? Not lynching me. Not lynching the guy you are 95% sure is the Survivor. What would be a HYOOOOJ play would be lynching zealos and hitting scum. Players will look back and say "here is a group of players, a town who could have been suckered into not lynching scum 2 days in a row, but got its shit together" and will start to think of you as vets. This will be one of those "plays" that people will point to and write post game analysis about whether or not it's a good idea to lynch based on setup speculation. This would be a Big Play. It might not be the safest play, or the most policy play, to lynch Zealos. But damn it, we all know that Zealos is the most likely guy to flip scum. If it weren't for policy, you wouldn't be lynching me, you'd be lynching Zealos. I can't necessarily say that I'd not policy lynch me if I was you. But I will say this: You don't get a lot of chances to be legendary. Glory is never thrust upon you, it is only seized. Vote Zealos: be glorious. I'm in. FOR THE GLORY THAT IS BLAZINGHAND ##UNVOTE ##VOTE ZEALOS | ||
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throwing spears of pure, concentrated logic. definitely. join us | ||
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I'd be down for zealos>koshi>oats. It's idiotic to keep blazinghand alive but ##SWAG | ||
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Still considering it though!) | ||
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I'm masoner, and for the d2 n2 cycle I masoned Pandain. I'm masoning (you'll find out who) d3 n3 cycle. You are Ivan, a Jupiter adept, who meets Isaac in the city of Vault. Impressed by Isaac's help in relocating the Shaman Rod you decided to join him in his quest. As a Jupiter adept you have the gift of reading minds and communicating with them silently. Every night you can choose a player with whom you wish to enter into a private conversation by PM'ing the hosts: ##Mind Read: Playername. You will be able to communicate with the target player in a QT provided by the hosts for a full day/night-cycle. You win with the Protectors of Weyard, when all threats to Weyard have been eliminated. I'm afk for a while now. | ||
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I masoned him because I thought he was town and a strong player, now, I'm not so sure (on the town part). Pandain will confirm this, and if he doesn't, he's scum. I told you guys this during the locked period because if I die, it does implicate Pandain a bit, and you should know that it occured. | ||
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Pandain: I haven't played mafia in over a year, so I don't remember normal kp. It's nice to see I was right about you being town, by the way. You're right then, there might only be 1kp. Do games usually last like 5-6 days then? Pretty long in my eyes. Basically I think one of the most important things for a mason to do is confirm themselves, because you are a free confirmed townie now. The only problem is that mafia might shoot you because you are "so" confirmed now. This is why I think Kush is scum: He made a huge scum slip early on. He said that scum were given fake claims, but there was no way he would know that. He later said he immediately asked the host if scum were given fake claims after he got his role. No one would ask that after getting their role, it's a pretty obvious lie to me. So he revealed inside scum knowledge which he shouldn't have had. Furthermore, he is trying to, in my eyes, have a "don't give a fuck" demeanor. Notice how much he is like "yo lynch me " and "you'll never lynch me!", he's trying to make himself seem just like a troll. In reality, however, when he was being threatened to be lynched he shaped up, and also there's no reason to "make" yourself seem like a troll as obviously as he is. There's a difference between being a troll and seeming like one. Umasi: yeah. kush is, to my knowledge, pretty trollish, but he shaped up near the end of Persona 4 (the game I was referring to KP wise) either way he's not actually pro-town haha Pandain: The scum slip is the main thing in my eyes. I don't see a real justification for it. Pandain: Also don't contribute to the spam. What we want right now is to see if anyone helps actively contribute and tries to scum hunt something inovative. That's why I think Grack and Koshi are town. For example, right now it's easy for scum to sit back and just let BH be lynched while giving generic opinions. We want to see if people are creative, as they're probably town Pandain: See how active Koshi is, that's why I think he's town. He's been like that the entire time. Also super forward with suspicions. Rayn is different for me because I believe he's trying to act that way to disrupt town. Koshi seems genuine. Pandain: Realy waiting to see how Snoman responds. Also if Papa does more analysis of people. Might go afk for hours just to wait Pandain: That last post by Zealos what. Like is the scum team just bad? Here, we have a lot of discussion about jailkeeping, I clarify what it is, etc. Basically summarized 'huh SAB isn't confirmed town then because of roleblock huh' (pandain didn't know about jailkeeping) Pandain: Yeah wait to claim until after N2 actions are sent in. Scum won't shoot you now, so it'll benefit me in that I helped semi-confirm you and it'll benefit you because it'll help confirm you. Although you're not confirmed yet as you said about the scum mason thing. Papa is probably town, I think Vayne is, waiting to see more of Oats, Zealos, and Sno_man, especially the latter. (somewhere I mentioned that mafia can have mason-ers so I'm not actually confirmed) Pandain: I have no idea LOL (refering to gracks post) Pandain: I think Oats is town, and I'm re-affirmed in my belief that SnB is town. That's what I got. Pandain: I'm honestly a bit disheartened because I can't find the remaining two scum out of Sno man, zealos, and kush. I would say that Sno seems most town, kush seems town now but I can't get over his scum slip. I also will have to defend myself now because I defended OP. Pandain: I would suspect you except you voted OP originally, which IMO clears you. But zealous voted kush with me; so maybe it's vayne but I took a look through his filter and he's playing the same as town not actually contributing but posting Pandain: Zealous seems best bet for tommorow. And you should mason Vayne and try to do your own investigation Pandain: my problem is if i don't have anything to contribute I don't contribute. And right now I'm honestly confused. Pandain: I also feel bad because scum are probably laughing at me for saving OP day one Pandain: You just gave me confidence to try one last time. I'll do one final burst of effort. If I can prove I'm town, and prove that the only 4 who's alignments are uncertain are Vayne, Zealos, Sno_Man, and Kush, we can narrow it from there. First one we lynch should be one of Vayne, Sno, and zealos, as I'm not too confident in Kush anymore after reading his town filters. I'm going to do an analysis on all of them and hopefully it will be good Pandain: Also if you want to bounce off ideas, choose PS as he's probably the second best here, maybe even better than me admittedly. He has some flawed analysis but he analyzes nonetheless and is confirmed town in my eyes. He just over exaggerates some things in his arguments, but that's it. Wouldn't choose koshi or grack as while their town they aren't the best analyzers Pandain: Lovvveee you ends here. I omitted a lot, we talk a bit about sc/keyboard issues/other useless things that were one-liners | ||
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##VOTE KUSH Kush, you've pushed people that are confirmed town or people that I have heavy townreads on all game and seem to have misguided priorities, Zealos looks scum to me as well, but you're present. Hopefully, with another day of actual things to talk about Zealos will show up and talk about something relevant. If not, I'll go right back to him. | ||
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On September 17 2013 17:25 Koshi wrote: kushm4sta, Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Grackaroni The Awesome Town Team. Don't-dare-to-fucking-touch-them-town. Umasi, Mr Snowman, Strongandbig Not yet part of the cool kids club. But town. Umasi too dramaqueen, Snowman too agressive for scummer. Small filters though. Strongandbig Wanted to place you with The "Red" Smurf. But you somewhat deserve to be 1 step above him. (little step) Papa_Smurf scum 4. If Zealos is town. Here you got the scummer. I already made cases in the past. Reasons: 1) 45% of his yelling he says Kush is scum, as the Kush meta-master he made some silly case in the start that nobody believed, even though debears knew Kush was scum from Kush his first post (debears was still incognito), he never revelead his awesome metaread and was never able to convince anybody from the awesome town team that kush is actually scum. This doesn't bother Debears at all. 2) 45% of his other yelling is saying I am scum. He retracted that recently. 3) PS his debunking of cases against him and his talk about setup is intelligent and easy to read. PS his scumhunting is messy and no intelligence is radiating from it. Look at the N1 post. When he was still undercover I could actually follow his logic. Too bad that didn't last long. Why aren't you a scummer? There are things that speak in your advantage, no need to talk about them though. Turn around and join the Awesome Town Team. Zealos sigh. You being scum is sadly too easy, nothing in your filter says you are scum. You are scum because: 1) BH picked to change his vote to you last second while blubb was the obvious change if he wanted to claim survivor. 2) Pandain decided it was better to spare your life. The good part is that you can also be a bad SK. Not as bad as CaucasianAsian played SK in NWM, I can give you that. Pandain I don't like shit about this guy. I had somewhere a flare of maybe this guy isn't scum vibe after he gave me a townread N1 and a scumread on OP. But I don't think Pandain and PS are both scum. Pandain has an higher chance to be scum. Read the Kushm4st3r his awesome posts for more reasons. Also this: I told you I was the strongest townie! VayneAuthority VA knows 1 thing, if I can get to lylo I can't let the town circlejerk that is rayn, Koshi, kush be. So he needed to put some distrust between us. I already made a case against VA in the past, that point stays. He also picked a shitfest with me after the Grack-claims-veteran debacle. I thought for a second that it was to get me off the PS trail but Grack already did that so nah. Maybe VA just loves to pick fights with me when we are from different allignments. Anyway, VA didn't even comment on anything else. Funny fact: VA did nothing that entire night except pick a fight with me, even though there was enough to talk about. After I left and he blamed me some more he didn't even do anything else himself! This isn't enough to convict VA. I realize that. But I know this for sure. VA is anti town. I know it in my bones. I have the weakest case against VA but he is scum/SK w.e I am certain he is not playing for town. Conclusion: Lynch VA or Pandain. Specifically this. I'm not sold on Vayne and Pandain, and think papa smurf is townie....but that leaves what, zealos? There are pretty compelling cases for why zealos isn't scum. I want to lynch him because he's anti-town, but I'm not sure :| | ||
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and I'm getting kind of an ominous feeling from my qt with smurf, but I can't actually explain why. not because it's like, private, but because I'm totally lost. He's seemed pro-town, but it still does not..feel right? fuck it. Still thinking it over, /afk for a bit | ||
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'This is why I think Kush is scum: He made a huge scum slip early on. He said that scum were given fake claims, but there was no way he would know that. He later said he immediately asked the host if scum were given fake claims after he got his role. No one would ask that after getting their role, it's a pretty obvious lie to me. So he revealed inside scum knowledge which he shouldn't have had. Furthermore, he is trying to, in my eyes, have a "don't give a fuck" demeanor. Notice how much he is like "yo lynch me " and "you'll never lynch me!", he's trying to make himself seem just like a troll. In reality, however, when he was being threatened to be lynched he shaped up, and also there's no reason to "make" yourself seem like a troll as obviously as he is. There's a difference between being a troll and seeming like one.' ~Pandain that's from the mason qt, he explains his thought process behind kush there. was a while ago, he talks about the fake claims slip. idk if it's relevant to you guys, figured I'd throw it in here Aside from that, I'm specifically not sold on sn0 being scum atm, my read from PS differs there. Kush is townie both for koshis read on him and his sk discussion (he actually considered it,), Pandain and PS are both pretty townie imo, vayne is someone I won't lynch for the day, so that kinda just leaves oats. ##vote oats | ||
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D=dibbers D 'first things first Why in the hell did you mason me?' D 'and just to make it clear. I don't quite trust you right now. Me as your second pick as mason is very odd in my opinion. I would have imagined you'd mason raynp.' D 'or, actually, would I be your third? Since it's a full day thing' U 'I'm new to masoning, first of all, but whatever you want I guess. You're one of the three strong players in this game imo, (pandain and vayne are the other two), so by masoning you guys two things happen: If you're town, yay, that helps me figure the game out, and you get a free cop check effectively by knowing I'm town. If you're scum, it gives me and town more to go off of, since I'll just post the logs. Anyone is a good choice. Masoning rayn is not necessarily the best choice because although he's very townie, he isn't the best person to bounce reads off of (imo) but I'm bad, so w.e What do you think of Zealos?' U 'you are my second, I don't get one cycle one. I went Pandain>You I am afk for class, will be back around 830 pst, may not post immediately though' D 'yeah i get the raynp stuff, but I feel like he's actually a lot better 1 on 1 than he is in thread. Doesn't have to show his dick in a mason chat. Anyways, zealos obviously hasn't given a fuck all game. I have a post coming up in thread. Literally, I have only 4 people left that don't look town overall Zealos, VA, sn0, kush I would think at least one of those is SK, and at least one is scum. Could be possible that the last 2 scum are in that group. But, the only way I see that is kush/VA and Zealos/Sn0 Otherwise mafia wouldn't have enough thread presence. I think Raynp and Pandain are town right now. They both have just looked town overall. I could see both being scum if one is, just because of their mannerism's on day 1 (raynp going "OP way scummier than Pandain"). But alas, they look town.' D 'btw I don't see it entirely out of the realm of possibility that you are a mafia mason, but since a second hasn't surfaced I would find it unlikely that you are' D 'ok I really want to lynch Kush today. Zealos is a close second. VA would be third, then sn0. Kush's case was definitely a misrepresentation of me. He brought it up when BH was the obvious lynch choice day 2, then votes me and tries to start a wagon. -His only case is on me, and it's completely wrong -He says I haven't addressed his case, yet I made multiple posts with multiple quotes to refute it -Kush may be a bad player, but he doesn't just go around misrepresenting people in meta cases so badly -Kush can not be this confident in his case when very little people in the thread see his case as right (along with the fact that I know he's wrong). -His suspects are Me, Grack, and Panda d2. I see panda and grack as pretty town right now. I am town. Kush cannot be this wrong as town -Kush considered Koshi very strongly town. Koshi ended up getting nked -kush ended up voting blubb, who was town ok next post on zealos' D 'zealos -doesnt give a fuck -vote on kush (not involved in saving himself or actually voting scum). Super weird. -He said some weird stuff d2 if I remember correctly. OP voted zealos, which is possible if they are both scum, but unlikely. Scum having a plan to buy towncred by bussing each other d1 with a townie in the running wouldn't be a good risk to take as mafia. So, I would think mafia thought Zealos was town>>>>>Meaning I think zealos is most likely SK. There's possiblity of scum I don't see zealos more likely scum than kush Also, the way kush shit up the thread n2 was alarming. The thread seemed to have really good unity (which I call it that now knowing koshi actually was town and I think raynp is town), but kush comes in "you guys are dumb PS, grack, pandain scumteam"' D 'I remembered now. Koshi was most likley shot n1, due to the fact VA claimed RB and SnB claimed RB n1 (which we now know must have been true). there was a nk missing n1. Koshi was a vet So, we should look strongly at peopple with townreads on koshi since d1' D 'btw whats the plan in terms of revealing the masonry to the thread? Do we wanna do it now or later?' 'http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19772269 also look atthis post of kush's. It's a post that comes across as "trying to hard to put across that point that I am town". I've never seen kush make a post like this as town' D 'http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19775708 town don't call people sk then call them scum' D 'oh i read your logs with Pandain. That strengthens the town read thing. Him and I on the same page again. LOL' D 'btw do you know much of grack's playstyle as town and scum? Kush keeps making a big deal of my town read on grack, but not my town read of pandain And thinking back to how kush does point out the scumslips in his teammates play, this could possibly point to grack as scum. Because, one thing, kush is right that gracks vote off of OP saved OP by starting the counterwagon. ^^the above is mainly theorycrafting though' U 'I'm back, yes I told pandain I was going to claim. You can tell the thread I mason-ed you whenever you want, your discretion. I'll tell the entire thread at the end of n3 during the locked period if you do not. I do not know about gracks playstyle. Kush has been all over the place, he had an unexplained accusation of GK (me) d1, that softly persisted till d2, until he was like 'umasi's scum' I responded by saying 'no u' or something ridiculous (not gonna go look) and he's like 'i rescind my scumread' I don't know why it existed in the first place, but it all read as unnatural. BH was more important to clear up so I didn't push it too hard. Zealos fucking slip with koshi was obviously false, (otherwise koshi would have flipped scum), so idk what was up with that. Oats laughing at it is still weird imo, but lots of people townread oats so it's something I can overlook. Pandain had a really good point: Kush tries to look like he doesn't give a shit, as in, he specifically aims to have that demeanor in thread, but he hasn't done very much thought-through scum hunting, at least that I can follow. He and Zealos are both people I would like to lynch. Rather, with kush, he hasn't been pro-town, but he's tried to seem like he is, and lots of his posts break the flow, which I always think is scummy (as you mentioned) Sn0 imo is townier than zealos, and vayne is townier than kush. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...urrentpage=144#2866 don't like that post very much, it seems counter-productive, idk why though. just reads as strange.' D 'yeah he's definitely thinking sk a little too much for a townie. Like SK shouldn't be that big of deal. Mafia should be worried because SK can accidentally shoot a mafia' D 'and what do you think of the zealos sk read?' D 'btw if raynp or pandain is sk, I'm gonna bet that the other is scum. Just keep that in mind in case I die' U 'yeah it's strange that he accuses you twice like that, and how he flippantly calls people scum the moment they accuse him. Zealos still has not improved at all though, so I'm inclined to lynch Zealos instead of Kush. How much of what blazinghand said this game should be taken seriously, and how much was wifom? Do you think Zealos is townier because BH went with me at the end of D2? (for the record, that was just me messing around, I would have swapped back to BH)' U 'Zealos I guess could also be SK. He's certainly not town, though.' U '(I also think what BH did at the end was wifom, obviously)' U 'If I could have my choice of lynch today, I would rather have the serial killer lynched though, because that would reduce the KP in the game, but it's easier to search for scum.' D 'I'm not saying zealos isn't scum from anythhing BH said, I'm saying zealos is less likely scum than his play indicates due to the BH voteswap onto him at the end of d1. Seriously, the odds of one scum bussing another d1 is very unlikely when a townie is right there with the same amount of votes. With the BH swap, it was BH - 5, Zealos-4, Blobb-4 IF zealos was scum, why would BH switch tohim over blobb? The towncred you gain from that a d1 bus really isn't that great, and usually does not last till endgame' U 'it's annoying, I'm not sure vayne is scum, but he says my townreads are scum :/' D '/m36 His reads line up with kush's too.....I just don't see grack AND Pandain AND Raynp being scum. Like, I could see one, and grack would be most likely out of the 3' D 'anyways. I think our decision comes down to this. Do we want to get rid of kush's disruptive thread presence (and lynch scum) Or Do we want to try to reduce kp or lynch scum (lynch zealos)' U 'agreed. Pandain is almost definitely town. Kush is admittedly a pita, but koshi had a strong town read on him, if you'll remember' D 'oh lol i forgot about that koshi read on kush I literally was convinced that Koshi was scum.......whoops Unfortunately, my meta reads on kush are apparently obsolete because he changed his meta. I don't really see how someone can decide he is town based on meta because persona is apparently the only game that he has been like this (at least to my knowledge). In persona though, he was really good apparently. Here, his scumreads, off the top of my head: GK (you) Me Grack Panda Like, that's 4 of the top 5 towniest players at this point. I don't see town kush being that wrong if he was as good in persona as people say. That, combined with the fact he doesn't make cases, besides the terribly wrong one on me, just screams scum.' D 'regardless, I'd be down with a zealos lynch. I don't think we can go wrong with either right now. If only we could double lynch today o.O I start gettin impatient past d2, considering I haven't really played past that point in a while.' D 'there is one question that is really bugging me. Why in the hell did scum choose to shoot koshi n1 instead of Pandain (that of course is assuming Koshi did get shot, which I don't really see a way he didn't unless mafia has a vig and doublestacked him). Like, if I was scum, I would have recognized right away that Pandain is pretty good. Like scum nk priority: Confirmed town Analysts Blues I don't think anyone really has asked that question yet. Maybe he was a bluesnipe? I don't see Koshi having as strong analyst skills as Pandain' D 'I was gonna say maybe its like Marv/Hapa where they both keep the other one alive just to keep suspicion off themselves for a couple of days b/c of nks. But BH had claimed survivor right after lynch, so he wouldn't need that reason. Hmmm. The only other option besides bluesnipe is that koshi was on to something, unless they felt like he truly was most town' U 'Well.... that's a really good question, I'll keep thinking about it (the pandain one) Koshi was certainly regarded as more townie than Pandain Maybe koshi was really really correct. One things for sure, he was definitely pushing discussion, I felt, so that's why he'd be townier than pandain. One of the things that confuses me about pandain, why would he find town for us if he was scum? He makes a townread on koshi, rayn, and me, and grack if I recall correctly.' D 'The reason for the question was not to question pandains alignment. It was to think about whether scum shot for read accuracy, or townieness. If koshi was looking much more townie to you, then I'd say townieness' U 'oh. thought it was a 'why DIDN'T pandain die?' deal I think it was just towniness.' D 'Ok I misread the rb question to the host. if koshi wasnt shot n1, then there would be a dr/jk or another vet. Hmmm. Idk mason vet cop (infered from the godather flip) Dr/jk? So 4 blues in 15 player game with a sk? I guess it could make sense. It would also possibly mean that pandain was targeted n1' D 'The other possibility is that scum hit the sk n1, if there isnt a doctor/jk, but with 2 kp a night a doctor would make sense' U 'yeah I think that there's a doctor, that seems to make sense. Cop doesn't have to be present even with the godfather, though. Scum probably shot koshi twice though, n1 and n2, since we've only had two roleblock claims, or scum shot SAB and the serial killer shot koshi, and his shot goes through and one shots no matter what.' D 'well, if vayne is scum, then he lied about the rb. Then we know there's a doctor or that the sk got shot n1 (if the sk if 1 kp immune)' D 'i don't think we can garner support for a kush lynch. You still thinking zealos? There's a part of me that doesn't really mind grack being lynched, because he d1 voteswap did start the "save OP" bandwagon. His play has just looked town though overall. But, then his vet claim d2 could have been to fish for a reaction from koshi, who ends up being shot AND is the veteran.' D 'yeah im unvoting kush. No one wants to lynch him still (so much fucking resistance to his lynch all game) zealos or grack' D 'btw. If grack is scum, the only way Pandain is not town (sk or scum), is if raynp is sk or scum' U 'I do not want to lynch vayne today, but Zealos is probably not the right choice. The biggest thing imo about kush is koshis read on him, I'll trust koshi on this. Koshi, when you read the logs, know that is kush is scum IMABEPISSED grack......really is not someone I want to lynch, but I could go for it.' D 'btw if you think I'm town. We need to stop Pandain from being lynched today if that comes up' U 'if I don't think you're town, I need to push pandains lynch? (I'm obviously kidding) I have a few things I'd bring up if people were to get momentum on it going, namely, his openness with reads and willingness to push discussion forward d2 when BH was a surefire lynch' D 'It's been kinda scary how on page Pandain and I have been this game. Like, if he is scum, I'd be impressed.' U 'he specifically recommended you as a mason target, iirc' D 'Yeah I saw that. Anyways I'm gonna type up this zealos post hopefully within 30 minutes. If it goes like I remember, should be pretty damning sk case' D 'phew done. that took a while cuz actually there was more in zealos's votes and filter than I even expected in terms of SK tells. Writing the case confirmed it for me.' D 'lol this is funny. I kinda have a possible scumtrap for kush already set up and i didnt even know it' U 'yeah, zealos looks pretty fucked. if he just gives up, it confirms him for sk even more imo what's the scumtrap for kush? unless you think we're scum together in which case you obviously shouldn't tell me :3' D 'nvm kush actually read my zealos case that was the trap btw. If he didn't read it, I was gonna go off, but it seems like he is actually considering it point by point' D (BOLDED FOR IMPORTANCE)Alright I think it's time to claim to you I am Jesus Christ. I have the powers to raise the dead, walk on water, split the bread, and sacrifice myself for the greater good of town. I can use each ability each night Raising the dead does just that Walking on water makes me nk immune Splitting the bread allows me to split my votes into as many votes as I want And self sacrifice ends the game and makes town automatically win If you can't tell by now this is a joke  D 'For the rest of the day, I'm gonna try to focus on figuring out the scummers. Like, it's gotta be right there staring at us in the face, but I can't quite put my finger on it.' U ''oh man you had me going!' I'm pretty lost too, throw whatever thoughts you have about it at me.' D 'Well, now its time to find mafia lol. my internet is out so im posting from my phone. itd have to be grack or sn0 at this this point' D 'My main problem right now is, I can save myself and have to deal with this dumb bullshit the rest of the game,or I can just let you guys take the reins and catch all da scum after I flip.' D 'My main problem right now is, I can save myself and have to deal with this dumb bullshit the rest of the game,or I can just let you guys take the reins and catch all da scum after I flip.' D 'ill like santa. I'm making a list, checking it twice, seeing who's been naughty or nice. Sn0 and kush keep looking worse doood' U 'well, problem with me taking the reins is I'm fucking AWFUL.' D '/m85 how you talk down about yourself is very very weird. Art thou a newbie?' D 'lol u went 4-0 in newbies. You're only the second person to do that. Behind me  very odd indeed' U 'just finished my newbie games. so technically no... but yeah, pretty much my town play is basically 'find strong players and sheep them', so mason-er is good for that, you'd think. actually makes me more confused!' U 'lol am I really? that's really awesome haha' D 'eh yeah you don't play the newbie card in ur scum games.' chronological from top to bottom, I omitted certain things because they were A: not relevant or B: too relevant and shouldn't be talked about yet. I won't tell you what they are, if you ask me for them, I still won't tell you! | ||
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On September 20 2013 06:03 kushm4sta wrote: #1 your checks are awful #2 your breadcrumbs are exactly the same type as OP's (capitalization of a letter) he has way more crumbs total though.. and it's more than just the capitalization of a letter. | ||
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SORRY KOSHI | ||
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