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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 17:49 GMT
#887
Grackaroni did you even look at the post where i expose SnB as straight out lying?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 17:55 GMT
#894
On September 14 2013 02:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni did you even look at the post where i expose SnB as straight out lying?

can you quote it for me quickly, you have a long filter

On September 13 2013 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Debears, i have a question for you. This is SnB's post about me and his notes:
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On September 13 2013 03:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hey guys

Posting from phone in class

Posting notes:
+ Show Spoiler +


Partner wants to know if I have a scum read on koshi

I don't like pandaman's role name reasoning. No reason hosts can't mix up the roles or give scum safe fake claims. Also from his post his opinions are basically easy ones - kush needs to straighten up. No lurking. Super scummy opening post IMO.

Then in his next post grack makes a decent attack but twists pandaman's argument - he didn't say lynch grack cause he's bad. He said lunch grack cause he's noncommittal.

Ppl talking about me finding debears smurf slip as coach. I clicked profile and last posts on his account. Not very hard to do.

I like Ryan's first four posts/entry into the thread. Okay wait maybe not - rayne is quibbling about old partners questions with koshi but asking about stupid things...

Rayen says that good karma looks good about the early day 1 quarrel - wtf where did this come from...

Ryan's reasons for saying that grack is scum are also terrible. And he keeps going on about panda in being better than old partner but they just feel completely different...

Anyway non rayne notes.

Fracks case on blubbdavod interesting . Go reread.

Wtf is up with snoman yelling about onegu



(1): Here's the thing with Ryan. He argues and gets in people's faces and posts a million times as either alignment. The biggest difference is when he's scum he argues about things that don't matter and don't move the town forward, but when he's town he actually pushes on points that are important. (2): Just compare his scum filter from game of thrones and compare that to his town filter from aperture 2, the difference is obvious.

(3): My first reaction is "this is scum Ryan". He's arguing a lot about old partners questions from early in the game but he's finding quibbles and there's no way what koshi thinks of those questions is remotely worth the amount of text Ryan puts in. Ditto for the arguing about whether grack could really have changed his mind for the reasons he said.

(4): I'm not sure about rayne though. For me it's always hard to figure him out for sure because of how constantly interactive he is even as scum.

One other thing - I think panda in is scum. His post was that bad and opening posts are inportant. He had only easy scum opinions - lunch kush, lurkers bad - in that post. plus he has obviously bad reasoning on role names and bad justification for his town reads on me, va, and gk. like, what townie sees someone whose only comment on the main issues in the thread was "that's silly" and says "oh yes that guy is town, the whole thread really was a distraction." Plus I don't think vayne was moving the thread forward as much as shouting at people/being aggro, and it was really easy for me to click on papasmirf's profile button. None of those strike me as townie reasons for townreads.

Right now I want to lynch pandaman's. however, before I vote I want to reread the blurb case as well.

Anyway I have a problem set due tmo so I'm probably not gonna be voting until tomorrow morning.

(1): Do you agree with what SnB says here? Having played with me in Desert. Because as town, when i get into the bad tunnel mode (which usually happens) am i then "pushing the town forward"?
(2) & (4): This is SnB's first post in Aperture mafia:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 30 2013 23:47 strongandbig wrote:
Hey DI I'd rather do all three of the things you said than the one you didn't.

Anyway:

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On August 30 2013 10:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

What about
4) Cora is trying to get killed/lynched?
There are certainly a lot of people I'm going to have to ignore this game, golly gosh.

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

Where does 'Are you fo realz?!?!' fit?

This one is so clearly wrong it kind of makes me want to kill wos. Cora was obviously butthurt, but he also had posts where he was trying to play the game. neither of those points to jester. What's the thought process here? It really feels like saying something just for the sake of saying it.
More importantly,
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On August 30 2013 10:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

This is an awful lot of words to say "I have no opinion on Cora yet" and "I still attest that you're, in fact, butthurt."

A lot.

Sup BH?

VE what happened to this?
BH is clearly not playing to his town "persona". As well as not responding to alakaslam like I would expect. I'm really not sure why but I'm thinking it might be alignment indicative.


Also,
No one else reveal their item names. I don't remember who but someone earlier in the thread said their item was used by someone else to build a doomsday machine. It seems likely that this doomsday machine has multiple pieces that need to be collected and something like the "null talisman" could easily be part of it.. Okay that was still koshi speculating about his item. Still given the rift destabilization mechanic from before and the fate counter, it's kind of likely that someone bad wants townies' items.

One last thing - Ryan is town. Scum I'm giving you this townread for free to help direct your night kills plz kill him.

This is SnB's post from Aperture mafia post game:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 11 2013 23:35 strongandbig wrote:
Rayn you were obvy town to anyone who played with you in our previous game.

Getting shot by scum N2 always makes me feel good as a townie but this puts me on a pretty impressive losing streak. I think it's like four or five in a row? Cba to check ATM.

Tbh though I don't feel bad about pretty much anything I did this game except forgetting to use my role night 1. The hassy lynch was unfortunate but given the claims from him and Kita plus his filter I think it was the right choice. I was totes right that alakazam should have been the second lynch that day, lame that he wasn't but since he ragequit or whatever that was okay. I was also right about VE not being town and the rest of my reads were not too bad.

Oh also I really don't know why people are saying the axle lynch was so bad. I was dead by that point, but how it looked to me was that he'd been trying to get other people to go along with an unknown plan the whole game, then when he was under pressure from town to reveal what it was he just shut up and afk'd. Seriously if he had just claimed before going to sleep or if he'd showed up again before deadline there's no way he would've been lunched, but just shutting up made it seem like town had no choice but to lunch him.

Now that you have read the posts, compare it to SnB's post this game, does this support the argument i am "hard to read" for SnB?
(3): I argued about OP's questions because i thought they were bad. SnB is saying me arguing about them is scummy (so he thinks the questions were good then i assume?). If the questions were good in his opinion, why does he not bring up the fact that NOBODY other than ayne in fact answered OP? SnB didn't HIMSELF answer OP's questions.


(5): Look at his notes (spoilered in his post). What do you see? Right, notes about me. Nothing else. Why is he so fixated in me and nothing else in this game? And even if that can be explained, why is his conclusion of me (the rest of his post) full of invalid arguments and in fact there is no conclusion at all..



Do you think SnB's post is "insightful" and "good"? Because (in addition, given the timing of the post) to me the post is full of crap and scummy.


THIS IS ALSO THE ONLY CONTRIBUTION TO THE GAME SNB HAS GIVEN. EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER HAS BEEN MORE USEFUL FFS!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:09 GMT
#910
On September 14 2013 02:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
The problem I have here rayn is my gut reads are usually decent and I didn't get the scum feeling from SnB's opening post. If you ever confirm as town I could look into SnB more but for right now the lynch for me is between blubb, koshi, or OP.

I don't really know what you see as town in koshi, he is posting weird stuff and his lists just consist of all strong players = town all lurkers/baddies = scum. Then he leaves me/WoS as maybes so he can lynch us at endgame.

wtf is he doing that's town exactly? Granted im terrible at reading him but this reminds me of sicilian where he just rode vivax's dick to victory. Now he's using yours.

You gotta look at what people post after their initial posts aswell.
Koshi has decent reads and is involved to the game.
blubbers i think is just inexperienced town, his play makes no real sense as scum to me.
OP might be scum but i think my initial suspicion on him was mainly because of his posting style.

SnB and debears look terribad atm. WoS came in with some fluff and again left without any conclusion on anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:11 GMT
#911
Like everyone besides SnB/debears/WoS has engaged into current discussion topics at some level.
I asked debears to comment on my post on SnB many times, every time he failed. WoS said "hmm.. you might be right", then he left... debears just waited until blubbers made a bad post and hopped on the train.. SnB came in angry and left, lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:13 GMT
#912
Yeah and then there is Snodude who's been pretty meh..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:16 GMT
#916
No vayne, read at the post i quoted last page...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:19 GMT
#921
On September 14 2013 03:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
I read it dude, it doesn't mean shit to me really. I could see town doing the same exact thing. In fact I could see town doing that even more. Who's more likely to double and triple check their posts, town or scum?

So townies usually say "this guy is pretty hard to read every game" when they have said one fucking day ago "you were obviously town from the start of the game" when they have no reason to lie??

What`?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:22 GMT
#926
On September 14 2013 03:21 VayneAuthority wrote:
uh...yes? thats exactly the definition of checking your posts. As town I always backtrack and get shit wrong since I have no idea what's going on. As scum you go through your filter and see "ok let's see what have I been saying"

why would scum SnB willingly just 360 in a few posts as scum and look stupid as fuck? i dont see it.

HE DOESNT DO ANY 360, HE LIES ABOUT ME BEING HARD TO READ FOR HIM, READ THE POST PLZ!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:23 GMT
#930
On September 14 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On September 14 2013 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm trying to rack my brain around a townie motivation for S&B to say that Rayn is hard to read when he's shown that he has an easy time reading rayn in postgame (where he couldn't have been lying) and I cannot think of one. S&B is a good lynch.

This is what I was getting at with my earlier post but I don't feel good about the lynch still.
I'm not totally convinced that the rest of Rayn's argument mean SnB is scum but I do want Snb to explain the point that Rayn made regarding him saying Rayn was hard to read.

I mean, the other points are not as conclusive besides (1). Everyone who has ever played with me when i have been town should agree with that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:25 GMT
#932
Okay so we have SnB, WoS and Vayne saying they do not remember how good or bad thay can read certain people. LOL!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:25 GMT
#933
Or rather, forget that in one day....
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:30 GMT
#938
Guys, listen to me for one second:

What would you say if this kinda conversation happened:
someone: "what do you think of Oats?"
me: "hmm, i don't really know, Oats is really hard for me to read, i usually can't figure him out. I have no idea about his alignment."

Would that be perfectly fine?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:34 GMT
#944
Okay Vayne, you clearly don't recognize some basic scumtells.. :/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:39 GMT
#951
debears can you finally comment on what i brought up on SnB? You have avoided that for a pretty long time.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:40 GMT
#953
On September 14 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On September 14 2013 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 14 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 14 2013 03:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 14 2013 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Guys, listen to me for one second:

What would you say if this kinda conversation happened:
someone: "what do you think of Oats?"
me: "hmm, i don't really know, Oats is really hard for me to read, i usually can't figure him out. I have no idea about his alignment."

Would that be perfectly fine?


yes because it makes very little difference in the game...

If instead this happened

1: you voting for oats bro?
rayn: yea for sure.

....

never votes for oats...

..

then there is a problem.

Vayne the problem is it is what amounts to a flat-out lie by SnB without him addressing it. I agree he is tunneling pretty hard on it but it's Rayn. As town I'm pretty sure he's lynched both town and scum in this way. As far as Rayn's Oats example goes I'd probably accept that lol.


ok so you agree at that best this is a 50% lynch? well I don't want to flip a coin. I want to lynch scum.

Yes as I've said I think we've been on the same page for much of this game, hence me asking you what you think I should do before disappearing.

Why the hell should Vayne decide for you on who to lynch? Don't you want to take responsibility of your actions?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:49 GMT
#963
blubb jsut gave the worst reasoning ever why my case is bad. "because you made another case in another game and that dude was town".

I just don't fucking know if he is reallyy REALLY bad or scum. That's so retarded.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:52 GMT
#966
Okay, if you don't want to lynch scum so be it.
Then we remove the incredibly bad play from the game (that has still some poissibility of being scum).

##Unvote:
##Vote: blubbdavid

remember, i get all the "told you so"'s when SnB flips scum or endgames you..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:58 GMT
#968
On September 14 2013 03:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, if you don't want to lynch scum so be it.
Then we remove the incredibly bad play from the game (that has still some poissibility of being scum).

##Unvote:
##Vote: blubbdavid

remember, i get all the "told you so"'s when SnB flips scum or endgames you..

Why does blubbdavid's play need to be removed and yet kush's or sn0's (or maybe zealos) doesn't?

Because he says incredibly stupid stuff those other guys don't say.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#969
I mean look at it:
"rayn made a case last game and his target was town"
"therefore his case is bad here now"

fuck this!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
September 13 2013 19:06 GMT
#972
On September 14 2013 04:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean look at it:
"rayn made a case last game and his target was town"
"therefore his case is bad here now"

fuck this!

He may have not phrased it well but haven't I been saying similar things about the way you presented yourself earlier? Admittedly that reasoning is stupid but whatever, stupid is stupid.

Why the profanity Rayn? You don't need to rely on that to be convincing, why are you resorting to it here?

I am frustrated because nobody realizes why SnB is scum when he clearly is. It's not every post needs to scream scum, it's one thing that a townie can't do, and that's it. Scum do not slip in every post, one time is enough, and i found that out.

People are justifying not voting for SnB because "rayn's D1 cases are bad". That's not a reason to comment/analyze the case.
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