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On September 19 2013 02:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Scum cannot be afk for deadlines? I didn't know this was a rule.
This.
Rayn is convinced that the shenannies that happened were by scum but that simply isn't true. If all the scum were around the shenannies wouldn't involve OP since his buddies could fix everything. I'm willing to believe pandain was scum (or maybe u grack but dubious) but not both. No chance. Scumbuddy actually looks like dibbers/vayne.
Grack/Vayne scumteam isn't impossible, and fits with the vet-claim then RB wifom but I'm not very convinced of that. And realistically thats almost the only way vayne is scum 
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Kush ain't scum bros have you guys reread any of the game?
I want dibbers to come in and talk. Preferably scumhunt. And tell me who the SK is cuz i sure dunno.
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The only real reason I can come up with for pandain's last second vote-swap to kill blubb over zealos is to make OP's last second vote look better lol. Yes its a pretty bad reason.
But its not like him doing that makes it less likely that they are scumbuddies. Looks to me like pandain was simply jumping off what he knew was teh wagon of injsutice since he knew OP was safe.
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K grack ur going downhill fast
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See rayn? Pandain proves grack town.
So we lynch pandain 
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On September 19 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well first, you imply that you think debears is strongly town.
Then you say that you can be swayed. Why?
Why would a case on debears make you change your mind? I have not implied i think he is strongly town for me. I think he is SK to be honest. But i do not think he is scum.
Didn't I prove we should be lynching SK today?
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Lynching SK effectively halves the anti-town KP since town is far enough ahead this game (due to 15 player 3 scum setup) that SK will be hitting town as much as possible.
Alternatively, we are at 7-1-2
Lynch Scum, 2NKs on town: 5-1-1 MYLO since a mislynch leads to 2-1-1 town can't win
Lynch SK, Only 1 NK on town: 6-0-2 not mylo since a mislynch leads to 4-0-2.
Objectively better for town to lynch SK over scum. Also was hoping that scum might know who the SK is so we can lynch SK happily in harmony.
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Zealos *cannot* be scum lol. If we are 100% that he is antitown then I agree he is the best lynch because that makes him SK.
@Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e.
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On September 19 2013 02:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2013 02:49 Sn0_Man wrote:
Zealos *cannot* be scum lol. If we are 100% that he is antitown then I agree he is the best lynch because that makes him SK.
@Oats how the hell would I know. I've only played with 1 SK before and town got raped because of it (also bastard setup imo but thats neither here nor there). Actually, as far as I'm concerned SKs are practically universally bastard but w/e. I think you misunderstand my question. How do you know we arent lynching bad town as opposed to SK? Like, nobody plays SK the same, so its not like you can use meta or normal scumtells and shit. So how do you find this SK?
Thats why i don't want to lynch zealos.
I just said, I don't know how to isolate the SK. I was hoping others did. Since he is the best lynch.
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Aaaaand before WoS flipped survivor zealos was mega-bussing OP N1? yeah no
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Well, he could be the SK but you'd assume he'd vote for blubbdavid in that circumstance. Maybe he wasn't paying attention in the last minutes before lynch? He didn't look like he was in danger until quite late in the cycle. I don't want to discount him as SK right now.
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Pandain, this is N1:
On September 14 2013 07:18 Zealos wrote:
I think OP/BH needs to die. Survivor = lynch
I doubt he even is Survivor. His attempt to argue his way out of it is crummy, at best. Get it?
##Predayvote:OP
vigipls
Before WoS flips which is what crucifies OP.
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On September 19 2013 03:13 Papa_Smurf wrote:
actually screw it take kush out of my lynch candidates
Why? what changed in the minute between your posts?
PS we just went over why zealos cannot be scumbuddies with OP. Why do you want to lynch him?
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Okay dibbers, Zealos is the SK (I'm not disagreeing or agreeing right now). Who is scum? We scratched kush off your list, leaving Grack. Theres at least one more no?
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The complete lack of scumhunting, the ridiculous vote swaps latelatelate day 1, etc. Built upon an early scumread that I let slide when your posting improved but I'm having a hard time giving up completely. Virtually every reasonable scumteam that I can come up with includes you.
A large part of it also being how you interacted with OP.
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Oh yeah pandain, and for your enormous crusade to dodge the OP lynch. a quick sample:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 14 2013 05:19 Pandain wrote:
I am going to sing a song now.
*why are people retarded*
*it is clear OP isn't mafia, there's no active resistance to his lynch*
*It's going so well*
*he also isn't spamming and will contribute*
*also why do people vote him and then say peace out without any analysis*
*why are people retarded* On September 14 2013 06:27 Pandain wrote:
Hi everyone, clear your heads for a moment.
Old Person is clearly not mafia.
There is no strong push against him except really by me, joined by Papa_Smurf. Rayn has also attempted to get SnB lynched.
Blub was a lynch no one actively pushed but rather occurred over time.
Umasi, Grack, and Wave gave random votes.
Grack never explained, and Wave and Umasi's filters go against what they said before. Umasi said OP was cool with him(and OP didn't post after Umasi). Wave never even really mentioned OP.
THESE VOTES DONT MAKE SENSE AND THEY ARE STRANGE
Also Rayn is important to point out in how he stopped actively trying to get SnB lynched, and didn't even go to blub despite originally him being between those two. Never explained why. At time he voted, SnB and Blub both could've/probably would've been lynched.
As a whole these votes don't make sense .
It doesn't mean they're mafia, but it means it doesn't make sense .
Also note how everyone has already voted. And everyone is on one of the three lynches, except for SnB/Zelous who are voting each other. I would encourage you guys to both vote kush.
Old Person has been suddenly bandwagoned by people who voted him despite no evidence they had suspicions of him. Then they left. Not all of these are mafia, but some of them certainly might be. The bandwagon on OP is so strange and indicates he is town . Mafia would not have let him die and would've softly defended him earlier against suspicions/pushed him aside .
Furthermore, even ignoring all the above, OP has shown he has and will contribute, and indicates that he will contribute more later on.
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Actually, I HEAVILY encourage everybody to read Pandains filter shortly pre-lynch D1. He is *dedicated* to stopping the OP lynch. He hard-defends OP. Its unbelievably scummy.
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I'll admit I didn't want OP lynched either. You didn't see me campaigning in his defense like he was some legendary asset to town. I just didn't see the logic in lynching him over blubbers.
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On September 19 2013 05:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'll admit I didn't want OP lynched either. You didn't see me campaigning in his defense like he was some legendary asset to town. I just didn't see the logic in lynching him over blubbers.
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Maybe hard defending scum is a town-tell and nobody let me know?
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