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On September 16 2013 02:44 Old Partner wrote:
Ok, I'm back. Seeing that people might actually be interested in lynching someone else today has given me the realization that it's possible for me to live instead of dying (which would be awesome). I still have something to play for!
For all you guys who are criticizing my role PM, you guys are like literally retarded. Look, if you think I fakeclaimed Survivor as Scum, then that's fine. But if I did, you should probably assume I got my PM from the hosts. AND EVEN EVEN I MADE THE PM UP, why on god's green earth would I use a character not from Golden Sun? Look, I didn't play Golden Sun. I don't know who the Captain is. Apparently he's not important enough to be on the wiki page or whatever. But BUT BUT
If you think I made the Role PM up myself, do you really think I ACCIDENTALLY picked a 2-shot hiding ability? No, if you think I'm fakeclaiming, you MUST think that either
1) I am an SK with a 2-shot hiding ability, then HAPPENED to write my fake survivor claim PM in EXACTLY the same way that WoS's PM was.
2) I am scum who got survivor as one of the fakeclaim PMs from hosts in a game where there already is a survivor
neither of which strike me as particularly sensible. now, admittedly, 2 survivors in a game is pretty rare. But the idea that I ACCIDENTALLY faked a survivor claim perfectly? Jesus christ man.
And now that I've written it I've realized there's no chance to convince PS/DB anyways fack
okay actually i don't like that bh leaves out the possibility that he's SK who got a fake survivor claim from the hosts. that's the obviously more likely possibility than the two he outlines but he tries to gloss over it without addressing it.
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here's something people can respond to while i keep reading.
why are we totally ignoring zealos, despite him being the Wagon of Justice yesterday? No one has said a single thing that convinces me away from my interpretation of the differences between how he's played this game and how he played in those other two town games i posted links to. He hasn't engaged with this game at all except to poke at me occasionally. I'm pretty mystified by how no one has even mentioned him since yesterday. I still think he's scum.
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On September 16 2013 05:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 05:31 strongandbig wrote:
here's something people can respond to while i keep reading.
why are we totally ignoring zealos, despite him being the Wagon of Justice yesterday? No one has said a single thing that convinces me away from my interpretation of the differences between how he's played this game and how he played in those other two town games i posted links to. He hasn't engaged with this game at all except to poke at me occasionally. I'm pretty mystified by how no one has even mentioned him since yesterday. I still think he's scum. It's 50/50 unless you find a meta case or something. He is being a annoying. But is he doing it as scum or as town?
i made a meta case
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On September 16 2013 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He starts contributing or we lynch him tomorrow. I think his responses near the lynch were townie, but that does not make him totally town. Same can be said about Umasi (the contributing part).
how are his responses around the lynch "townie"
seriously you can't just say stuff like this without providing any evidence or analysis to back it up.
all i see in his responses around the lynch was
On September 14 2013 06:42 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:40 strongandbig wrote:
Panda why do you say zealos is not going to happen. There are enough people active for a last minute vote switch to work. No one has said they're strongly against a zealos lunch. How about everyone who would be okay win zealos rather than old partner just switch now and can squelch back in ten minutes if it doesn't reach majority. I still think this guy is scum. He's flipping from person to person who he feels are easy targets. If you're gonna write lots, at least try to look like you're being useful~
which is blatantly wrong since i'd been yelling at you all day, and then a whole bunch of times he just says "lynch snb" or "snb is making bad posts" or whatever.
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On September 16 2013 05:39 Old Partner wrote:
like there are three possibilities here
1) i am survivor
2) i was given a fake survivor pm by hosts
3) i made up the pm entirely on my own
the point i'm making in that post isn't that #1 is true (though it is), it's that #3 is like profoundly stupid and anyone who things it should feel bad
it's not possible that you made up your role pm
if you had, you would have known where your character was in the lore, and then given that link to golden sun wikia a long time ago.
the possibility is that you asked the hosts "hey can you give me a survivor fake claim" and they copied wos's pm and changed the flavor to a different character in the game.
but bh no response to my awesome squirtle breadcrumb uncover?
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man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset:
On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night.
On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today?
if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you.
it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all...
i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors".
it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really?
Can people talk to me here about rayn?
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing.
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On September 16 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So SnB what does Zealos do as scum and how is it different from his town games?
not really sure how to answer this. his only scum games were over a year ago. in both town and scum games at that point he played completely differently than he has in his past three games this year (all town) and this game. I guess you have a point - I can argue "there's a difference in his play from his previous town games / recent town meta, and it's scummy" but I can't say " this is the same as his recent scum meta" because that doesnt exist.
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ok also i have no idea how there would be a difference in bh's filter between him being SK and him being survivor. any ideas? or should we just lynch him for the breadcrumb?
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On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others.
i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town.
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On September 16 2013 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think this game has 2 survivors + the night kill points towards SK. This game definitely does not have 2 survivors and SK.
Like, do you seriously think mafia hit WoS?
no, but given that no one has claimed a shot taken i can't be sure. wos could have been vigged by someone who has bullets left and doesnt want to claim.
like, also it's totally possible that scum shot wos in order to make us think there's an sk and lynch bh (wifomwifom).
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On September 16 2013 06:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others. i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town. Yeah totally. Look at those first 2 days in aperture. Rayn didn't say shit and town really won the game there.
town lost for reasons that had nothing to do with rayn in that game, he played fine. he didn't distract them by being a lynch prospect and he used his PR pretty well.
On September 16 2013 06:29 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:15 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 06:10 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 05:53 strongandbig wrote:man i still want to lynch rayne. like, this doesn't strike me as a townie mindset: + Show Spoiler +On September 16 2013 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I do not need to make a case on anyone, i want to lynch OP today.
Isn't it annoying when a townie will not tell you what makes you scum? You probably need to kill me next night. On September 16 2013 05:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 04:40 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Btw I would love to know how I'm a main candidate without a single fucking real case on me.
The only case that has been presented is a kush case that was 1) wrong and 2) I debunked. tbh i do not understand that either. People who are voting for you should make a case. kush has a case but i do not think that's good and you have given an acceptable defence to it. I do not however understand why should i make a case on someone i do not even want to lynch today? if you think someone is scum, you should explain why... otherwise what if you die? what if your other case is wrong? and more importantly, it gives people more stances that they can use to read you. it's just, like, trying to get rayn lynched is going to take so much effort, and i have no idea if i'll gain any traction at all... i'm honestly a little less certain than I was yesterday, because rayn doesn't feel like he's been as aggressively and retardedly confrontational as I expect scum-him to be. but I really don't see how you can have 16 pages of filter as town and have your only real cases/pushes be the terrible tunnel on me that was based on nitpicking and misconstruing my posts, and now his push on OP that is entirely "there can't be two survivors". it's like, he if anyone would do all that yelling and bad arguing to try to get me mislynched as scum... but would he really? Can people talk to me here about rayn? + Show Spoiler +
I feel like zealos is obviscum though and would rather lynch him for the moment.
i need to reread bh's filter post-claim and see how I feel about his lynch. I could maybe get down with it, though, in large part because of the breadcrumb thing
. Lynching rayn is bad. Just play the game by rayn his rules and he will find the scummers eventually. Rayn was completely wrong about the scummers in his first 20 pages of filter in Persona. Then he got it right. There is nothing scummy about what rayn is doing. You might dislike that he is hunting you, but at least he is hunting. You are also not getting lynched so I don't really see why you are being so annoyed. btw, if there weren't people like rayn then you would go into lylo with a LOT LESS information. rayn hunts active posters in his games. Unlike others. i disagree. rayn makes the thread too long and hard to re-read and analyze in-depth. regardless of his alignment i think having him in a game hurts town. This is such bullshit and such a cheap shot. Spewing bullshit like a monkey. Probably heard it somewhere else first? Fucking back this up? You can't. Rayn post a lot but that is a quality IN BOTH ALIGNMENTS. Nothing else. Fact that you can't keep up with it is your fault. Because you can't keep up. jubjub.
what does his alignment have to do with it? I'm saying he plays that way as both alignments and as both alignments it hurts town.
and it's not that i'm having trouble keeping up in this game, it's a mini and the speed is fine. it's that rayn jumps from one momentary interaction to the next so quickly that there's no time to analyze in depth and in context while keeping up with the thread.
there is no way his filter can have a coherent narrative if it's constantly posting about every little thing that happens, and townies' filters should have coherent narratives because that's how you establish that you're town, and that's how you persuade people to follow your reads, and that's how you make an environment where it's hard for scum to stay hidden.
but anyway we should probably argue about this post game because as we've both agreed, it has nothing to do with rayn's alignment. he plays this terrible spammy style as both town and scum.
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so that means grack is like modconfirmed town right
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On September 16 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Another question to you SnB: How do you go from this: Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:10 strongandbig wrote:
I just reread through old partners filter. I don't have a super food reason why he's town but I don't want to lunch him... It's just, like, I really don't see any good reason why he's scum either. It seems like lynching him would be a policy Lynne on his new attempted playstyle. I'd rather lynch zealos or Ryan whose play seems to me scum motivated / to match their scum meta better than their town meta. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 05:59 strongandbig wrote:..to this: On September 16 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So SnB what does Zealos do as scum and how is it different from his town games? not really sure how to answer this. his only scum games were over a year ago. in both town and scum games at that point he played completely differently than he has in his past three games this year (all town) and this game. I guess you have a point - I can argue "there's a difference in his play from his previous town games / recent town meta, and it's scummy" but I can't say " this is the same as his recent scum meta" because that doesnt exist. These are the things that make me think you are scum. You are just lying.
Well, when I was talking about "difference in play" I mostly meant you. I'm basically trying to quantify why you felt so town to me in aperture and so scummy in got. For zealos I had only read town games of his and I had identified a difference in this game from how he'd been playing as town in recent games.
On September 16 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing i would like you to answer SnB. On D1 you started the wagon on Zealos. Remember what i said then? I said "yeah i would be okay with Zealos lynch". Your top scumread (me) at that time agrees with your lynch target, didn't that worry you at all? Why? What happened then, i never voted for Zealos. I voted BH instead and said Zealos is town later on. Why do you never bring this up, at any point after that in the game? Your top scumread was unwilling to vote for your other scumread while he before that said he would be okay with lynching them. How can you miss that kinda stuff if you are town? And if you didn't miss it why did you think it was not worth bringing up?
I'm pretty sure I've told you before, until someone flips I don't care if one scum read of mine agrees or disagrees with my reasoning about another one. There's always the chance I was wrong, there's always the chance scum are bussing or aren't, I don't care; it's never going to be reliable info until someone flips.
As for your votes on zealos: I have been trying for a while to get you to explain why you think he is town. I haven't heard anything but you keep insisting it. Seriously what the fuck is going on there?
At everyone else: I'm okay with killing BH. He's changed from "I'm going to find and kill scum, so don't kill me town" to "I'm going to find any scapegoat for a lynch". The lynch is never as set as he makes it out to be, we had no more active people last time than now and look how that turned out. Bh really isn't giving me a reason to not lynch him.
More importantly: I'm okay with lynching bh because I still don't believe his breadcrumb. I think it's way more likely he was breadcrumbing something else and decided to claim survivor to explain his vote jump.
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Also Ryan can you come up with any conceivable scum motivation for me making the last minute swap to zealos happen? Even say I'm trying to save my buddy bh, why not swap to kush? And do you really think I would ever do something like that as scum? I'm pretty tired of being stuck in your tunnel, man.
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On September 17 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
So what was BH breadcrumbing SnB? You must have some idea.
Check my filter, I think he was breadcrumbing SK with the SQ being for Squirtle.
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On September 17 2013 02:46 Old Partner wrote:
Also 100% my role crumbs are never findable by people who aren't me. The very fact that you think you found a crumb that I didn't show you myself is evidence that it is not in fact the crumb. ok i stop posting now so you guys can play your game sry
You're claiming you breadcrumbed the letter S.
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On September 17 2013 02:51 Old Partner wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:48 strongandbig wrote:On September 17 2013 02:46 Old Partner wrote:
Also 100% my role crumbs are never findable by people who aren't me. The very fact that you think you found a crumb that I didn't show you myself is evidence that it is not in fact the crumb. ok i stop posting now so you guys can play your game sry You're claiming you breadcrumbed the letter S. Well it doesn't matter now but I'll admit I had zero plan of claiming Survivor ever this game. It's like almost never a good idea to do it. However, after realizing I had effectively broken smurf, I decided to claim, and fumbled around in my first post for something I could pass off as a crumb. It was an okay lie! plenty of people believed me, up until WoS died. I consider it a not-bad "Scramble" move all things considered. In retrospect when playing 3p I should just crumb all kinds of shit so I have anything ready to go when I need it.
I dunno. I think you would have had a better chance to live without the breadcrumb in the first place.
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Ryan why in the flying fuck do you have a townread on zealos
Seriously why is it that I am having to drag this out of you
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On September 16 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Umasi/Zealos/Snodude: I think one of these guys is scum. Atm i am leaning on Snodude. He has done absolutely nothing. Zealos has some posts that point towards him being town.
I want to know what this is referring to, Ryan.
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On September 17 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 04:04 strongandbig wrote:On September 16 2013 21:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Umasi/Zealos/Snodude: I think one of these guys is scum. Atm i am leaning on Snodude. He has done absolutely nothing. Zealos has some posts that point towards him being town. I want to know what this is referring to, Ryan. What do you mean? The Zealos part? He had some posts during the deadline that to me read like "lol, i got lynched, maybe? idgaf". I think that's townie. On another note, i asked you some questions earlier, could you answer them?
other than these?
On September 17 2013 02:39 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Another question to you SnB: How do you go from this: On September 14 2013 06:10 strongandbig wrote:
I just reread through old partners filter. I don't have a super food reason why he's town but I don't want to lunch him... It's just, like, I really don't see any good reason why he's scum either. It seems like lynching him would be a policy Lynne on his new attempted playstyle. I'd rather lynch zealos or Ryan whose play seems to me scum motivated / to match their scum meta better than their town meta. On September 16 2013 05:59 strongandbig wrote:..to this: On September 16 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So SnB what does Zealos do as scum and how is it different from his town games? not really sure how to answer this. his only scum games were over a year ago. in both town and scum games at that point he played completely differently than he has in his past three games this year (all town) and this game. I guess you have a point - I can argue "there's a difference in his play from his previous town games / recent town meta, and it's scummy" but I can't say " this is the same as his recent scum meta" because that doesnt exist. These are the things that make me think you are scum. You are just lying. Well, when I was talking about "difference in play" I mostly meant you. I'm basically trying to quantify why you felt so town to me in aperture and so scummy in got. For zealos I had only read town games of his and I had identified a difference in this game from how he'd been playing as town in recent games. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
One thing i would like you to answer SnB. On D1 you started the wagon on Zealos. Remember what i said then? I said "yeah i would be okay with Zealos lynch". Your top scumread (me) at that time agrees with your lynch target, didn't that worry you at all? Why? What happened then, i never voted for Zealos. I voted BH instead and said Zealos is town later on. Why do you never bring this up, at any point after that in the game? Your top scumread was unwilling to vote for your other scumread while he before that said he would be okay with lynching them. How can you miss that kinda stuff if you are town? And if you didn't miss it why did you think it was not worth bringing up? I'm pretty sure I've told you before, until someone flips I don't care if one scum read of mine agrees or disagrees with my reasoning about another one. There's always the chance I was wrong, there's always the chance scum are bussing or aren't, I don't care; it's never going to be reliable info until someone flips. As for your votes on zealos: I have been trying for a while to get you to explain why you think he is town. I haven't heard anything but you keep insisting it. Seriously what the fuck is going on there? At everyone else: I'm okay with killing BH. He's changed from "I'm going to find and kill scum, so don't kill me town" to "I'm going to find any scapegoat for a lynch". The lynch is never as set as he makes it out to be, we had no more active people last time than now and look how that turned out. Bh really isn't giving me a reason to not lynch him. More importantly: I'm okay with lynching bh because I still don't believe his breadcrumb. I think it's way more likely he was breadcrumbing something else and decided to claim survivor to explain his vote jump.
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