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On September 13 2013 13:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 13:16 Grackaroni wrote:@WoS: There's nothing really going on there, I'm just putting my thought process into the thread; It just happened to have been S&B who asked for my opinion. Your scum narrative for my actions doesn't make sense to me. On September 12 2013 11:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Now onto the actual game. I'm fine with VA at the moment. The sheer fact that he is actually choosing to give some analysis and reads D1 is a nice change from most of the play in his usual games (aside from the fact that he's going to spew some bullshit about how he 'plays differently every game' or something). I want him around. SnB, I think this may be the most I've EVER seen you actively hunt/contribute out of ANY game we've played in together thus far. Not sure what to make of it, and the fact that you and Vayne seem to agree very quickly on each others' alignments to some degree is either really good or really worrying---which leads me to Grack. He seem to also find this somewhat worrying (on the Vayne side of things) but... On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm interesting. How can you differentiate between him bullshitting and him having different information (recent games together) or having a different threshold for giving out townreads? That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that.
@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. This reads to me of poking just to gauge reaction to see if it's safe to start a wagon. It looks like a scum Grack being very very careful about harboring suspicion and looking for SnB to 'lead' him in the right direction as to whether town will view his suspicion on Vayne as 'ok' or not. It could have also been a preliminary attempt to break up what could be a potential town circle starting, but that might be going a bit far. For now, ##Vote: Grackaroni I'm scum subtly trying to buddy S&B to form a wagon on Vayne, OK that is possible. I honestly wouldn't give my scum play that much credit but w/e. On September 12 2013 09:52 strongandbig wrote:On September 12 2013 09:35 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:18 strongandbig wrote:
Hmm interesting. How can you differentiate between him bullshitting and him having different information (recent games together) or having a different threshold for giving out townreads? That's what I have to think about. I haven't played with Vayne before but he seems to be very aggressive and much more confident in his reads than myself so it's possible for him to be town and not bullshitting. However, On September 12 2013 08:18 VayneAuthority wrote:
that's actually an interesting quote you just responded to SnB, I missed that.
@grackaroni why specifically were you concerned with what SnB thought of me? Sounds like trying to see if you should jump on the wagon too at some point. This quote rubs me the wrong way. Why shouldn't i be concerned about what your thoughts were on Vayne. If you were to say that you weren't deviating much from your standard play or that it didn't make sense for him to have such a strong town read it would be very telling. There was nothing scummy about my question to you. I wanted more information from you and it seems like a weird thing for him to grasp on to and turn against me. Hmmm, I actually kind of agree with you in regards to that specific comment. Have to figure out how much weight to give that relative to my general impression of va atm. S&B made this post. On September 12 2013 11:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 12 2013 10:02 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:55 goodkarma wrote:On September 12 2013 09:51 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 09:43 goodkarma wrote:
EBWOP:
Do you mean to say that because you don't share a read that someone else has that makes them scum? For sure strong townreads early are a bit rare (at least for me), but have you looked at strong's playstyle before? Wow. No I'm not arguing that people are scum for disagreeing with my reads.... His read literally came out of nowhere. I'm suspicious of people who come up with strong reads at a time that I feel that they shouldn't have strong reads. So just to be clear, you're saying that no one should ever have strong reads this early unless said person is scum? I mean, from my perspective it makes a player more likely to be scum. If I was town I would never be this confident in a player from what I saw so far in this day If I was scum It seems like some bullshit that could slip out of me to save my scum buddy or protect a townie. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Vayne is a very different player than myself so I will take that into consideration. It's becoming more and more clear to me that you didn't garner the reaction from thread that you wanted and you're trying to back off now. In other news, Kush are you going to be lolkush this game, or Persona Kush? This is completely misrepresenting what happened in the thread. literally 10 minutes before I posted that S&B agreed with my point. If I was scum and my plan was to buddy S&B in order to lynch Vayne then everything would be going according to plan and I wouldn't be *backing off* Your narration for me being scum doesn't fit with what was happening in the thread. I'm really not leaning too strongly one way or another with Vayne at the moment. I've just been outlining my thought process in the thread. Ah ok, I forgot my original point when I was reading this apparently. This post does not in any way debunk my case on you. If you'll notice my case on you was based on you looking like scum testing out his 'feelers' to see where the best place to direct his scummy actions in the thread was. You say that my point doesn't work because at that point SnB agreed with you and you would totally jump on Vayne and everything would be according to plan bwahahaha Except that's not true at all. As scum one of the most important things to do is to sow mistrust amongst the members of town whilst blending in. Tell me that's not exactly what you're doing here. You just want to make sure Vayne and SnB don't get 'too close' to each other, while not wanting to go further and toss a vote or put pressure on him yourself beyond the discussion with SnB. Blending in. Now let's go have a re-look see at why I think I found more of your posting scummy despite what you've said here. Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 12:50 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Something along the lines of 'jumping on opportune targets basically all game,' I think.
I'll see if I have time to post another decent case or a rebuttal towards yours of mine earlier today (which I seem to remember thinking was pretty decent, actually), but I don't see any reason to move my vote anywhere atm.
I think that came right out of the mouth of OP. Not sure if that's something I should read into. Really reread the game again because I don't think that's what's been going on at all. I don't jump on others targets, I make the targets. I began the push on Pandain, I wasn't the first to vote blubbers but I expressed my concern on him before Vayne did and as for OP, most of my reasoning is coming from Rayn but I did say before my dislike of OP's posting and added in my own points.
I have posted a lot more than that so I do want to see some more stuff.
But you weren't arguing earlier that I'm scum sowing mistrust amongst town players, you were arguing that I tested thread sentiment trying to push a townie, got a bad reaction and backed off, which just wasn't how things went down.
Yeah it was a very middle of the road answer and I can see how it could be misinterpreted as me trying to "test the waters" but I was torn and people kept asking for my opinion about Vayne and the town-read so I kept giving it.
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I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post.
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On September 13 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post. Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread?
You aren't even reading my posts... My read on Blubbdavid was based on him displaying a scum mindset and deciding before hand he was going to accuse me. He twisted a lot of things in my posts into being scummy that he should have been able to have seen could come from a town perspective.
Later I saw him doing things that didn't go in line with that scummy mindset, so I moved off of Blub. There is more to my thought process then you are making it out to be.
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This doesn't make it impossible for Blubbdavid to be scum but It's enough to convince me that he is not a good target for today.
I would respond to your other point but truthfully I don't understand what it is, if you want me to respond you need to clarify.
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On September 13 2013 14:18 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 14:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 13 2013 14:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I have reasoning I just never posted it.
@WoS: I liked Blubber's defense. Rayn brought up a point against me that he could have used against me and instead he said that he disagreed with Rayn, which leads me to believe that he is actually analyzing the points rather than just deciding before hand to call me scum, "I'm going to say Grack is mafia, look grack defending kush. scum team much? Grack asking koshi a question? Must be scum..." etc.
Plus He backed down and then started considering Pandain which is also something that gives him townie points in my eyes.
I'm still suspicious of Pandain and I was going to post why but i got stopped waiting for a non-existant reads post. Both of those are perfectly viable scum responses to being attacked in thread. Why does this mean you give him town points? Just because he appeased you and started to agree with your earlier scumread? You aren't even reading my posts... My read on Blubbdavid was based on him displaying a scum mindset and deciding before hand he was going to accuse me. He twisted a lot of things in my posts into being scummy that he should have been able to have seen could come from a town perspective.Later I saw him doing things that didn't go in line with that scummy mindset, so I moved off of Blub. There is more to my thought process then you are making it out to be. Can you show me in your earlier posts where you outline the thought process you just explained to me here? Also would you not say I am doing the same thing as bolded above?
On September 13 2013 00:17 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2013 21:31 blubbdavid wrote:Atm I have three scumreads: Koshi, Grack and Kush Koshi for aforementioned reasons. Kush for his valuable contributions. And Grack: On September 12 2013 14:31 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 13:24 Pandain wrote:
I'm sorry I'm not going to be able to fully make my thoughts fully comprehensible and eloquent, instead I will just get them written down. College struggles.
Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them.
VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time.
GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction)
I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move.
Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread.
Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got.
Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says.
I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though.
Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen.
I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit. 2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment. 3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??) 4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it? 5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices 6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I don't believe that Pandain has any interest in hunting scum. ##Vote: Pandain I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 15:50 Papa_Smurf wrote:
He didn't call you and kush out as lynch targets for being bad (which was the primary point of your scumread on him).
When he said "bad read" about you it meant "scum read" pretty obviously by how he described your posting.
Then kush is playing scummy in itself (although that's normal for him as town and scum). "Posting like shit" doesn't mean bad (unless he has a town read on kush). It means he's playing anti-town
At least that's what I discerned. I thought that at first glance, but I have a hard time believing that when he ends his read on me with, I'm not sure if he's scum. What I read out of that post is that he is most interested in policy lynching the weaker players.
Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze.I've only been scum one time and I was called out immediately by syllogism for wanting to policy lynch someone I called a weaker player. I see pandain displaying similar behavior. Aside from that i think that scum generally come in the middle of the day with long constructed posts such as these, this one in particular gave very little analysis. After that he peaced out. WoS made a post like this as well but it was clear to me that he was actually trying to analyze my behavior. Defending your scum comrade much, leaving him to the vig, if there is one? On September 12 2013 16:49 Grackaroni wrote:On September 12 2013 16:28 Koshi wrote:
I can wait a bit on the other Europeans to wake up.
SnB can be town obviously. But meh. Could lynch.
Pandain pretty bad entry.
OP pretty cool guy. Not going to lynch. Hey Koshi, since you're here what do you think of my case on Pandain? Can you expand upon your read beyond bad entrance. Hey scumrade, since you're here and in the scum QT anyway, why don't we press together against Pandain? Can you help me find more stuff so that it looks legit. There is so much wrong with this post. Firstly I'm suspicious of people who come in and say that Kush has one of the best chances to flip mafia when not everybody has even posted.(I could have a scum read on kush through process of elimination) If town he is the go to mislynch for mafia and I think that mafia are more-likely to push on somebody like kush. Other players have suggested to policy lynch him (also scummy imo, especially if you have no other scum read), but saying he is likely mafia is even scummier to me. In response to Blubbdavid's case: You think I'm wrong, great, Both townies and mafia can be wrong. Vigging kush is the correct play(unless he starts playing the game), its not even a discussion. Why wouldn't I want other peoples opinions on my case if I'm town? How am I supposed to get reads otherwise? He is throwing shit on me only because I have already had shit thrown against me from other players. This post in particular isn't analyzing both possibilities of me being mafia or town, (I could be town and want other players opinion, lots of people in other games have said the same thing I said about kush without being on a scumteam with him) I think Blubbdavid decided beforehand. I'm going to put a scumread on Grack, and then searched through my filter for things he could twist into me being scum.
On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game? lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier.. I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts. Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion. Oh sorry, i missed this post: On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: 1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers. I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier? There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I don't think you are right. His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy. His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK. Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.
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On September 13 2013 14:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
You said I'm not readong your posts and then explained to me about your read on blubbdavid and why you moved off of him, which is apparently supposed to mean you must have done so in your earlier posts but I did not read them.l Can you show me where in your posts from earlier that you did this?
My second point is that you accused Blubbdavid of being scummy based on what I bolded, yet you haven't called me scummy for what essentially might amount to the same thing. Why?
when I say you aren't reading my posts It's because you missed the main reason why I was suspicious of blubbers in the first place and simplify it into, "you recanted your read because he appeased you", which is just not true.
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On September 13 2013 14:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright you're clearly not following me here.
I'm asking you to show me the posts in your filter where you rescind your scumread on blubbdavid and the explanation behind it I apparently should have already found in your filter.
I already told you at the start of our conversation that I never actually wrote it out. You bolded what you wanted me to show you and that's what I showed you....
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On September 13 2013 14:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2013 14:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright you're clearly not following me here.
I'm asking you to show me the posts in your filter where you rescind your scumread on blubbdavid and the explanation behind it I apparently should have already found in your filter. I already told you at the start of our conversation that I never actually wrote it out. You bolded what you wanted me to show you and that's what I showed you....
or maybe I bolded that originally and I'm just an idiot.
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I disagree with you doing the same thing though, your post seemed to me that you were actually analyzing the thread and I saw some merit to your argument that the post you pointed out seems like a post more likely made by mafia to manipulate town.
Also you are here, discussing with me and trying to improve your read, which is worth something.
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On September 13 2013 14:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok I think I get you here.
The point remains, why did you not post your reasons for moving off of Blub before?
And the fact remains that until you JUST explained yourself somewhat, I didn't see any other reason for you removing your scumread.
Now can you answer my other question regarding a comparison between what you originally found scummy about Blub's play and mine?
I truly didn't feel a need to, he wasn't going to get lynched. If the OP wagon didn't pick up steam and blubbers was in danger of getting lynched I would explain why he is not the best lynch.
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I don't agree with S&B as the best lynch.
Rayn is taking S&B's post way out of proportion. Firstly the timing, I don't believe that S&B legitimately came in with that post only because he saw people turning on Rayn. I remember S&B was legitimately busy in GoT and he wrote in the post that you quoted that he was posting from his phone while in class. there is some auto-correct in there that makes me more inclined to believe that. (lynches---> Lunches).
tldr I think S&B is legitimately busy.
Besides that the post does have an opinion on you, it's exactly like how Pandain wrote out his suspicion of me. (the one that I interpreted to him calling me bad rather than scum).
*Grack is using words such as "feels like, and defending himself a lot, so I'm suspicious but I'm not sure he is scum."
"Rayn's usual scum meta is to spend too much time arguing over minor nuances of posts rather than the big picture... but I'm not sure that he is scum."
Sure I want to see more from S&B and it's still possible that he is scum but there is not a strong case for him today.
@Rayn: Why did you change your mind on OP.
OP has done several things I consider scummy and should be the lynch of choice for today.
I haven't gotten a chance to look at Zealos scum history yet but if I see some merit to it then I may be open to switching to him as well.
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On September 14 2013 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Grackaroni did you even look at the post where i expose SnB as straight out lying?
can you quote it for me quickly, you have a long filter
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On September 14 2013 02:56 blubbdavid wrote:So now that I change my vote, zealos and OP become legit targets again? Goddamn I have bad luck. Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 02:49 Zealos wrote:On September 14 2013 01:50 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:42 Papa_Smurf wrote:On September 14 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:37 Papa_Smurf wrote:
I dont see why you are pushing a 4th wagon at this point in the day oats What 4th wagon? Also, I dont see anything but me shouting VOTE OP. Why arent you voting for OP? Second read is Blubb. Op is a fourth wagon. We have only 5 hours left and limited knowldge of who will be here before lynch. Bettwr to concentrate on the 3 main candidates at hand Yes, let's concentrate, and you may very well start with it. What do you think of SnB? On September 14 2013 01:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 14 2013 01:14 blubbdavid wrote:On September 14 2013 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
ok snb's case is bad, dunno if it makes him scum.
I still wanna lynch blubbdavid for being like blendy and stuff. His push on Koshi is really newb town or scum.
And his next post is bad too, calling out Grack for nothing really.
Lol, I may be bad and confused and stuff, but not blendy. NOT BLENDY. My case on Koshi, Grack (where some people agreed with me) and Zealos are pioneering work. And I am calling Zealos out because of that wagonhopping and non-contributions of his. My own views on SnB don't matter in this case. @rayn I will vote for SnB if it is required. This isnt addressing. All the shit you are pointing out from Koshi and Zealous and Grack are all like non alignment indicative. Yeah sure all the stuff you pointed out scum do, BUT TOWN DO TO. You wanting to vote for SnB to save yourself even though you dont really think he is scum is scummy cause if town die, its not as big a deal for them as scum dying. If I really was scum I could have made it much, much, fucking much more easier for me. Then I wouldn't even have started with Zealos. Or do you think that both me and SnB are scum? And we are trying to evaluate who to sacrifice? Rly? btw a little tip oats: look out for papa smurf I'm pretty sure "starting on" the least active player in the game is a safe bet as scum, just saying~ Also, pls guys, my name is above my posts and at the start of the game. ZEALOS /=/ Zealous : D After all that time is this the only defense you can muster up? And the least active player at that time was Onegu/Oats.
What do you mean legit targets? I'm confused, you mean because I'm arguing that they are good targets? If you think somebody else is scum you should vote them and push them vocally. Not wait for somebody else to push someone and then hide behind the fact that I'm pushing them.
@Umasi I did see your post but I'm going to class in 15 minutes and I need more time to make up my mind. I'll get back to you.
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@Rayn you are right, that is a good catch on S&B. I would have agreed with him that you are difficult to read but apparently he's full of shit. Awaiting S&B's response.
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I'm trying to rack my brain around a townie motivation for S&B to say that Rayn is hard to read when he's shown that he has an easy time reading rayn in postgame (where he couldn't have been lying) and I cannot think of one. S&B is a good lynch.
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On September 14 2013 03:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
I read it dude, it doesn't mean shit to me really. I could see town doing the same exact thing. In fact I could see town doing that even more. Who's more likely to double and triple check their posts, town or scum?
wtf. It has nothing to do with double/triple checking his posts it has to do with lying. Saying someone is difficult for you to read is not something that you *accidentally slip*, he is using it to fit his own agenda when he shows that he doesn't actually believe it last game.
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I'm back, I'm surprised by all of the votes piling in on OP but I still think he is a good lynch.
@Pandain: What do you mean I didn't give reasons on OP? I thought I gave my reasons pretty clearly for why OP is scum. Just not recently because OP hasn't posted anything new since my last read on him.
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I am gettng a town read on Pandain from his recent posts though so I will have to think about this.
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On September 14 2013 06:45 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2013 06:43 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm back, I'm surprised by all of the votes piling in on OP but I still think he is a good lynch.
@Pandain: What do you mean I didn't give reasons on OP? I thought I gave my reasons pretty clearly for why OP is scum. Just not recently because OP hasn't posted anything new since my last read on him. Yeah no I thought I excluded you. You gave reasons before on suspicion, but I meant that prior you seem from your posts that it's either SnB or bubbles who you're looking at, then 7 hours later you vote OP. Sorry if that's not clear, not saying your mafia just an overall strangeness which you didn't explain.
I don't remember thinking S&B was scum. My reads were you/bubbles. but that's aside the point right now.
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I'm voting Zealous. Pandain is town and he has good points.
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EPT
