EPTOn September 13 2013 01:22 blubbdavid wrote:
I didn't comment on point 2 because I don't disagree with Grackaroni there. Pandain's townreads were mainstreamlined at that time. (or better: Pandain's townreads were similar to mine, so I had not too much reason to interfere)
Point 6: Tbh I don't know myself why I didn't comment on this one, yes Grack seems to be wrong in this case.
2/3 of my choice in lynchtargets weren't on the bandwagoning side, I chose you additionally because you tried to shoot down Paindain's big post pretty strongly.
And no, that what I did wasn't cherry picking. More like your post on Panda was cherrypicking.
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On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something.
If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him.
On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with some points he brought up against you:
I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad
1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions.
2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this:
2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"?
2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack?
3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit.
4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts.
5. That's certainly not what Pandain said.
6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case.
Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though.
Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?
On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.
I agree with some points he brought up against you:
1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.
I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad
1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions.
2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this:
2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"?
2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack?
3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit.
4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts.
5. That's certainly not what Pandain said.
6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case.
Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though.
Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?
There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something.
If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him.
I didn't comment on point 2 because I don't disagree with Grackaroni there. Pandain's townreads were mainstreamlined at that time. (or better: Pandain's townreads were similar to mine, so I had not too much reason to interfere)
Point 6: Tbh I don't know myself why I didn't comment on this one, yes Grack seems to be wrong in this case.
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On September 13 2013 01:17 Grackaroni wrote:
This to me seems like behavior that would come from a less experienced scum player, and his choice of lynch targets helps reinforce that view.
On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote:
His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK.
Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.
On September 13 2013 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh sorry, i missed this post:
I don't think you are right.
His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy.
On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts.
Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion.
On September 13 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only.
This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier..
On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread.
@Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread.
yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only.
On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote:
lol please don't make me read through that guys posts
On September 13 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game?
Sno_man and Grack: Could you go through Pandain's & Old Partner's posts and tell me which one of those guys has shared more thoughts that contribute towards this game?
lol please don't make me read through that guys posts
This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier..
I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts.
Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion.
Oh sorry, i missed this post:
On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote:
There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something.
If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him.
On September 13 2013 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I agree with some points he brought up against you:
I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad
1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions.
2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this:
2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"?
2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack?
3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit.
4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts.
5. That's certainly not what Pandain said.
6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case.
Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though.
Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?
On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote:
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.
@Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid.
I agree with some points he brought up against you:
1Pandain came into the thread with a long constructed post but he didn't analyze shit.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.
2He gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment.
3His reasoning for S&B being town is absolute bull. (S&B saw Debears post in a newbie game currently in signups, HOW DOES THAT EQUATE TO S&B GOING OUTSIDE THE GAME AND LOOKING FOR MAFIA??)
4He writes to a whole lot of nothing about OP (why did you even include that if you've made no conclusion off of it?
5And to top it off he then says that me and kush are BAD players so we are the top lynch choices
6Now when I called him out on him being more interested in lynching people for being bad than scum he says that we should focus on lurkers.
I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5
1. wut
3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack?
4. wut
5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad
1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions.
2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this:
2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"?
2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack?
3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit.
4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts.
5. That's certainly not what Pandain said.
6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case.
Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though.
Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier?
There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something.
If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him.
I don't think you are right.
His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy.
His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK.
Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them.
This to me seems like behavior that would come from a less experienced scum player, and his choice of lynch targets helps reinforce that view.
2/3 of my choice in lynchtargets weren't on the bandwagoning side, I chose you additionally because you tried to shoot down Paindain's big post pretty strongly.
And no, that what I did wasn't cherry picking. More like your post on Panda was cherrypicking.
So you actually believe that there is no townie-motivation for vigging kush or asking other peoples opinions on cases? You think those things would only come out of me if I was scum?
