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Uhh, we just talked about OP's post and his questions and you agreed with me they look bad. Are you now disagreeing again? Why? Do you think there is something useful he says in his post? If there is, can you point out what that is. Zealos: Pick two things that you find to be most important atm in this game and comment on them please. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote: What the fuck? I LIKE OP HIS POSTS! Read my first answer to you again... OH right you did. You also said "now his questions seem bad", i got confused. Anyways, is there anything else in OP's posts that is good besides the questions? I mean, there are like what.. 500 other words. | ||
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Pandain gave out some town reads that agreed with town sentiment. | ||
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On September 12 2013 21:45 Koshi wrote: (1) We follow the same line of thought. So I am happy with him. (2) His post directed towards WoS was very good, knowing that he just came off a conversation with VA and decided that wasn't his best target to pursue. Grack is on my do not lynch list. 1) Is there more than his read on Pandain and the WoS thing? 2) Could you elaborate more on why the post directed to WoS is very good. After re-reading the whole SnB--VA argument and all the players involved in it Grackaroni comes out definitely looking the worst and WoS the best. | ||
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On September 12 2013 22:26 Koshi wrote: 1) I know I was liking grack yesterday. I could look up again why if that helps you. Probably also because he didn't jump on SnB but jumped on VA instead. 2) You think WoS his case on Grack was strengthened after Grack defended himself? imo he destroyed WoS his case. rayn, what didn't you like about grack his defense after WoS attacked him? 2) No he did not. WoS had two points. - First one, Grack's answer is "That could be the case here". - Second one, doesn't prove WoS is wrong and Grack is right. WoS i think is focusing on wrong things on Grack imo. GK has the right approach. Grack says one thing, then he says something that makes the first thing invalid, and this goes on and on. Here: In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? I never put much stock in my day1 reads, especially this early, so for somebody to come into the thread already certain about S&B's alignment seems scummy to me. If you've got a strong town read on day1 you should defend him. It's the fact that Vayne had a strong town read in the first place at that point in the game that is scummy.I saw nothing that gave me a strong town read on you which gives me the impression he is bullshitting. It's becoming more and more clear to me that Vayne is a very different player than myself so I will take that into consideration. He argues for 2 hours about someone having a different playstyle than he does. Also Vayne explained his read. -"vayne is scummy for having a strong read on someone" -"i don't put much stock on early reads" -"so grack, are people scummy for having strong reads early on?" -"no, actually vayne is not scummy, he just plays differently than i do" No shit Sherlock? | ||
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On September 12 2013 22:46 Koshi wrote: Grack says that because he never has strong reads on Day 1 it looks scummy to him that VA is capable to have strong reads. Grack questions VA about it and then drops his suspicion on VA because he accepts that VA is different than him and possible can have strong reads early on. You disagree? Yes i disagree, here is Grackaroni's post: On September 12 2013 08:01 Grackaroni wrote: In all seriousness, you need to explain why you are confident SnB is town already this early in the game. Can you give me some reasoning? Vayne's reasoning is right there. In the post Grack quoted. The question is worthless in the first place. How can you not accept that someone can have strong reads early on in the first place? Instead of thinking this as a possibility Grack calls VA scum for having a strong read (when in fact VA just plays differently). There is nothing suspicious in Vayne having a read. Grack never calls out Vayne's reasoning, he calls out the read. TLDR; He is saying "you can't have this read and therefore you are scum" until many people point out that's stupid. Then he covers it up by saying "oh, he just plays differently than i do". Like what? When you enter a game do you assume everyone has the same mindset you do? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:19 Grackaroni wrote: I generated lots of discussion on Pandain. You just chose to ignore it and shift the topic to OP. I don't think OP's questions were particularly useful but it was early in the game so I'm fine with that, what bothers me about him is that he is posting in a manner that makes me not want to read him. If he doesn't start consolidating posts I will be much less confident about his alignment. That's what i am saying about him. Thousand words that say nothing. Also could you comment on what i asked you to elaborate on, and the other things i wrote about you? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:24 Grackaroni wrote: I hate having to keep going back to this because then jub jubs go, "OH, GRACK'S DEFENDING HIMSELF. SCUM!!!" The reason I talk so much about this in my filter is because PEOPLE KEEP ASKING ABOUT IT. Filter S&B and look at the posts he made prior to me asking him what he thought of Vayne's strong town read on him. It is absolutely inconceivable to me that S&B is incapable of making those posts as scum, so for Vayne to walk in at that point and say he had a strong town read was scummy to me. I am a bit lost here. Do you think Vayne is scummy or not, because that's not clear to me? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. I agree with some points he brought up against you: I disagree here with points 1,3,4,5 1. wut 3. have you already made out of thread investigation, Grack? 4. wut 5. you two should be lynched because of scum behaviour, not because you are bad 1. I agree with him. Pandain analyzed people and gave opinions. 2. I'm interested in hearing from both of you & Blubb about this: 2a) You: What you say is incorrect. Pandain did not give town reads that agreed with thread sentiment. Btw why do you use wording "town sentiment"? 2b) Blubb: Why did you not comment on this point at all? This is probably the strongest point in your case against Grack? 3. I don't understand Blubb and i agree with you, Pandain's reasoning for SnB being town is shit. 4. Actually there is a conclusion, it's "watch out for this guy", i agree with the concusion Pandain came to, because that's exactly how i felt when i read Old Partner's posts. 5. That's certainly not what Pandain said. 6. This is wrong because that was not the point in the first place. I dunno however why Pandain did not correct you, or why Blubb is not bringing this up in his case. Other than what i said, Blubb's case is crap. Anything else is nothing alignment indicative and is a pre-flip association that's bad. Does not make either one of you scum though. Could you elaborate on my point (2), as i assked you to earlier? | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:33 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn, Could you write out your opinion of Blubdavid. He seems like an over-zealous townie to me who is calling you & Koshi scum for wrong reasons. | ||
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On September 13 2013 00:58 Grackaroni wrote: @Rayn, thread sentiment would be better worded. It's not a scumslip, when I say town I mean town as a whole. aka the thread. yeah yeah, could you just answer the questions, that was a part of it only. On September 13 2013 00:54 Grackaroni wrote: lol please don't make me read through that guys posts This is the same thing i feel about Axlegreaser. Still, every time i read his posts multiple times and every time i can't understand anything he says. Trust me, this is way easier.. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:00 Grackaroni wrote: what exactly in his posts reads townie to you? The way I see it he is just grasping at straws in order to paint me as scum. and less experienced players are more prone to jumping on kush as a scum read because he is blatantly anti-town. (note not scum, anti-town) The way he approaches the game. Aggressively and calling people out with weak reasons, not being afraid of drawing attention to himself. He's either town or very good scum. I think the former, do you know if he's good as scum? | ||
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Have you ever read his posts? Look at his filter from Aperture for example.. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:03 Grackaroni wrote: I'm not sure what I didn't answer? I've covered just about everything throughout my last posts. Lots of people were saying vayne was town at the time and I believe that people were less sure about GK but had a similar opinion. Oh sorry, i missed this post: On September 13 2013 00:53 Grackaroni wrote: There's not much to it, it's a non-contribution. I think if Pandain came in and gave some reasoning for why somebody people were supicous of was town then he would be adding something. If pandain was arguing I was scum why did he use the word "bad", and then say at the end I'm not sure if he's scum and then post a paragraph afterwards on policy lynching Kush. I interpreted it as grack sucks, he's not confident in his reads, etc - let's just get rid of him. I don't think you are right. His read on VA is not following the thread sentiment, for example you yourself think VA is not necessarily town, as do other people. His read on GK is not following the thread sentiment, most people thought GK was scummy because of that comment, i agree with Pandain. His reasoning for the read on SnB is shit as said earlier. His read on OP is golden imo. Everybody should vote for that guy. His read on you is not following the thread sentiment, i can understand why he thinks what he says about you, i do not agree with him though. I am not even gonna go to the kush read. Kush needs to be given time. He either starts playing, if he does not, we lynch/vig him. Discussing/pressuring him does nothing good. I can however understand his policy. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:05 Grackaroni wrote: No I don't think he's really strong scum. I think calling out people with weak reasons is a big case for why Blubdavid is scum. Well you have answered his case, so has Koshi, let's see what he brings up next. | ||
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On September 13 2013 01:15 Grackaroni wrote: His read on me was following thread sentiment, I believe Vayne and WoS both called me scummy before this. I could have been wrong about GK. Could you respond to my biggest point in my post about Blubdavid about him not exhibiting a townie mindset. The quotes of me he posted didn't point towards me being scum. He decided in his head beforehand that he was going to call me scummy and then cherry picked quotes and inserted a scummy twist on them. You might be right, that's why i want to hear from him. You might also be wrong, that's why i would not comment on it yet, if you get what i mean. :D I wanna hear him first, okay? | ||
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