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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 19 2013 10:57 GMT
#3201
@zealots is there an example of a town game where you gave similarly little effort?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 11:13 GMT
#3202
##Unvote:
##Vote: Zealos
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3573 Posts
September 19 2013 11:17 GMT
#3203
On September 19 2013 19:57 kushm4sta wrote:
@zealots is there an example of a town game where you gave similarly little effort?

I think in most town games I play in a very similar way.
I'm not a great scumhunter, but I normally do a good enough job of defending myself if I am accused. I prefer to try and get myself seen as a town, or at least not a mafia player. That alone will make it easier for people that are actually good at the game to narrow down their field of search.

I would chime in and say one thing, and that is that an SK kill tonight would benefit scum a lot too, while making anyone pushing the SK kill look good. I don't trust anyone that was searching for scum the last few days, then suddenly when they have the excuse not to "Looking for the SK" they cling on to it and avoid the idea of looking for the remaining mafia players. It just seems too easy for them, sitting in the QT talking about how they will keep the discussion about finding the potential SK player, so that the town can not find them, and they don't have to pretend to look.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 19 2013 11:25 GMT
#3204
I dont want to kill zealos. Look at his first 5 useless posts. That makes him town alone man.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 19 2013 11:32 GMT
#3205
Ya I'm not totally convinced either
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 11:42 GMT
#3206
Well i do not like the fact that he is unwilling to help us find mafia. He has brought absolutely nothing new to the discussion at any point in the game.

I also think, while looking really bad from D1 voting, Grackaroni and Pandain are necessarily not mafia. These are things that townie could do. I am really frustrated about the whole Umasi/Pandain/debears deal that's been going on since D2. Even if you are masoned you don't keep scumhunting in the mason QT. That serves no purpose for the town. Masons are supposed to bounce ideas between them and find out each other's alignment. I think it's odd that (reading from Umasi/Pandain convo D2) Pandain straight up assumes Umasi is town based on his role, mafia masoners are not uncommon.

Pandain did jack shit on D2. debears has done jack shit on D3 besides making a SK case on Zealos. Pandain called D2 a clusterfuck with "no discussion at all". That's simply wrong, there were people discussing other things than BH. Now there is some "town circle" between them, suddenly their reads match because of "masons". I want to know how they have reached to the conclusion they have. I want to know who pushed their reads and who agreed and for what reasons. They can't just say "because of masons". That's bullshit.

The problem here is that based on what people have done in this game tbh Zealos looks absolutely worst. There is no way i can argue against it whoever makes the case. It's annoying. :/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 11:44 GMT
#3207
I also do not like the fact that after D1 a lot of people are unwilling to engage into any discussion unless the topic is them possibly being scum. There is no fucking way we are going to find mafia when all people besides me, kushmasta and Oats act like that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 12:19 GMT
#3208
This is Koshi's last reads post from D1 (before the night action resolving period):
On September 15 2013 03:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2013 03:02 Papa_Smurf wrote:
Grack's analysis on Pandains vote on blubb over zealos is very correct and very certainly a lynchable offense.

Lynch someone who you think you can read later over someone you think is scum. And the person you voted for ended up being town, when you said you didn't want to lynch them earlier.

That's very contradictive in a scum oriented way

yay

Join us in the lynch Zealos/Pandain/OP/SnB train tomorrow!

If Zealos & Pandain are town, why would scum hit Koshi? Assuming Vayne is telling truth about the roleblock scum indeed did hit Koshi.

Why would you, as scum, hit the person whose scumreads are 3 green guys and one red, who is going to get lynched either way. It doesn't matter if Koshi looks obviously town if he is leading town into wrong direction. Why would you kill a townie who is leading the town into wrong direction?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 12:25 GMT
#3209
Fuck i kinda wanna go back into lynching Vayne..
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 19 2013 12:29 GMT
#3210
On September 19 2013 20:12 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 09:30 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 19 2013 08:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
On September 18 2013 23:44 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 18 2013 18:22 Zealos wrote:
On September 18 2013 07:33 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 18 2013 04:46 Zealos wrote:
On September 17 2013 04:01 GhastlyUprising wrote:
On September 17 2013 03:56 Zaros wrote:
On September 17 2013 03:52 GhastlyUprising wrote:
[quote]No. You've simply misinterpreted the statistics on this. Ask anyone who lived 70 years ago and they will not tell you that the countryside has hardly been "dented". In fact they'll tell you the exact opposite. I go hiking all the time and I'm constantly struck by the devastation. Perhaps only 2% of land has been built on, but that has little to do with how visible or how cumbersome that 2% is. If someone built a skyscraper next to your house, I'm sure you wouldn't be impressed by a letter from the local council assuring you that while they're sorry for the distress caused by the skyscraper, your objection can't be given high priority in view of the fact that it only occupies a small percentage of land in your neighbourhood.


You ask everyone for evidence facts and statistics, I show you facts and statistics and u throw anecdotal evidence at me. I'm not going to bother arguing with you anymore just tiresome and pointless.
The ONLY way to get a handle on facts and statistics here would be to poll people to ask them about their opinions.

Lo and behold, what do we find? Green spaces have a significant positive effect on people's well-being and the quality of their lives.

You know that is a fucking terrible poll to bring up when talking about the quantity of green space being removed by more housing.
And maybe if you weren't a "fucking" zealous crusader for capitalism you would realize the grotesque inconsistency of (a) calling for the abolition of "green belts and restrictive planning laws", and (b) assuming that development will pay special regard to green spaces so that not a square meter of land will be wasted and X% of land being built on will result in X% of green space being destroyed.

The definition of green space isn't even close to "not built on". Damage to scenery, wildlife and ease of movement goes far beyond the piece of land that is built over. You're incapable of seeing such elementary flaws in your arguments because you're utterly consumed by free-market ideology.

I think you completely ignored what I said and repeated when you said earlier for some bizzare reason.
I have not agreed, nor disagreed with the point you're making.
The issue I am taking with you, is that in response to someone saying that extra housing is not having any real effect on our countryside, you quote a poll saying that the countryside is good for people.

The poll is not really relevant.
I apologise for swearing, but to be honest it was mostly from shock.
You don't seem to understand that if you're going to advocate an open borders policy, and play dice with the livelihoods of the voters, the burden of proof falls squarely on YOU. You need to demonstrate, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the voters' jobs aren't going to be impacted in the short-term. That building hundreds of thousands of extra council houses to accommodate the immigrants claiming them won't stretch us beyond our capacities (even though no government has embarked on such a project since the 1960s). That building these houses won't come at the loss of green belt areas that the voters would like to preserve.

Merely quoting a statistic which says that 2% of the land is built on just won't cut it. It doesn't come anywhere CLOSE to proof that there is plenty of room in this country. Sticking with ecology alone...common sense tells you that damage to scenery, ease of movement and wildlife applies to the area surrounding any site of development and goes well beyond the 2% of land that is built on.

Speak to Americans who come here and they will tell you that they miss the open spaces of their country. It's misleading in the extreme to argue that 2% of land built on = hardly a dent in the countryside.


That is in due in part because our National Parks are pretty much the envy of the world. That and some parks or protected areas are bigger than some countries. You can easily find some place to camp and enjoy the scenery and hike etc. In the UK you can't really do that(I've read that some land where camping in allowed is actually owned by one person or a family and they can and will kick you out for any reason. Other places can have you arrested if they even think you are planning to hike etc. Which is mind boggling to me.) So I guess there is a pro and con to being a old country with history and a young country with not rooted Aristocracy which claimed every major portion of the countryside.
It's not only history. Let's not forget the UK has 7.5 times the population density of the USA. No matter how we distribute the land, we're never going to adjust for a difference of that magnitude in crowding.

What makes this discussion I'm having with Zealos even dumber is that he's not even calling for fairer distribution of land. He's a hardcore right-winger who's presumably quite at home with the land aristocrats and the profound inequality in distribution.

Due to the "Zeal" part of his name, which captures him down to a tee, I think he might actually be trolling in this thread. I won't feed him any more.

Lol. You're such a dumbass. I literally have not debated the fact of whether or not the green land is gone. I've never mentioned land aristocrats or anything similar. I'm saying you're a fucking idiot to quote a statistic about the benefits of green areas in an attempt to prove that green areas in the country are being effected by increased housing.

User was temp banned for this post.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 12:48 GMT
#3211
On September 14 2013 07:23 Old Partner wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 07:21 Koshi wrote:
Ok I don't understand why OP (=BH) is claiming atm.


Well, it was an obvious lie that I couldn't be around for the deadline, and showing up at the last minute to vote to save myself? That would look okay for Blazinghand, but not for Old Partner who has a 9-5 job and no Smartphone. I have a smartphone. I gotta claim BH. But then, why am I playing so weirdly if I am BH? Well, the truth must come out.

Okay, this post means BH was lying about not being here at the deadline right?

What does this mean.
    - I don't think Pandain is scum. Scum would have coordinated better in case Pandain was mafia and talking with BH in scumchat.
    - I don't think Zealos is scum. BH would have voted for blubbers.
    - I don't think Grackaroni is scum. He was one of the players BH got into an argument with on D1.
    - I don't think kushmasta is scum, BH wanted to lynch kush so hard on D1.
    - All the people who left their votes on BH on D1 are cleared to me.


This leaves the following players:
    - Vayne
    - debears
    - Sn0_man


Neither of these players hardly ever address each other.
Can we just lynch all of them? It also makes sense as Vayne and debears were not around at the lynch time. Sno didn't want to lynch OP while showing some mild suspicion on him. He was on the blubbers lynch already. I think he is the SK, and Vayne + debears are scum. debears did not show any intention of pushing his kush lynch forward, did defend OP, and didn't say anything about the votes on blubbers. He also did not comment anything on Zealos lynch. His interactions with Vayne are non-existent. I don't think Sno is scum, because of his post D1 comments (right at the start of N1). They feel genuine ("is BH a character in Golden Sun" - rofl).

So, i think Vayne + debears are scum. Sno is either SK or we have an SK hiding. But that can be resolved later.

##Unvote:
##Vote: VayneAuthority

Besides this post, i have given my reasons why i think Vayne is scum. I am far more sure that he is scum than about debears (in case i am wrong on something).
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 19 2013 13:04 GMT
#3212
rayne the thing is, bh's lynch was pretty much a forgone conclusion.
Think about it from a scum perspective. They know bh is gonna flip red. So d2, scums objective was probably to distance themselves from BH in any way possible.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 13:08 GMT
#3213
On September 19 2013 22:04 kushm4sta wrote:
rayne the thing is, bh's lynch was pretty much a forgone conclusion.
Think about it from a scum perspective. They know bh is gonna flip red. So d2, scums objective was probably to distance themselves from BH in any way possible.

I am talking about D1 in my post. I don't give a fuck what happened regarding BH on D2 because the whole day was wasted, besides from me/you/Oats.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 19 2013 13:09 GMT
#3214
Rayn is 100% scum, now Im confident.

Kush, agree?
No gg, No skill.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 19 2013 13:11 GMT
#3215
On September 19 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn is 100% scum, now Im confident.

Kush, agree?


no why
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 13:15 GMT
#3216
On September 19 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn is 100% scum, now Im confident.

Kush, agree?

Fuck you Oats. If i was scum nobody, absolutely nobody in my scumteam claims scum on N1, especially the Godfather with such bullshitting abilities BH has.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 19 2013 13:16 GMT
#3217
why can't umasi be scum?
why cant sn0
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
September 19 2013 13:19 GMT
#3218
1. Pandain
2. kushm4sta
3. VayneAuthority
7. Onegu replaced D1 by Oatsmaster
9. raynpelikoneet
10. Grackaroni
12. Papa_Smurf
13. goodkarma replaced D1 by Umasi
14. Sn0_Man
15. Zealos

this is all i know
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 19 2013 13:20 GMT
#3219
On September 19 2013 22:16 kushm4sta wrote:
why can't umasi be scum?
why cant sn0

Because Umasi was voting for BH.

Sno, because of; Do you think this sounds like "i'm scum with BH":
On September 14 2013 07:19 Sn0_Man wrote:
OP's claim is bullshit I think. Unless BlazingHand is a character in Golden Sun?

Also I didn't see any particularly out-of-place capital S in that post but it was about 2000 words so I may just not have seen it.

That's some weird twisted shit from Sno if he is scum and i don't think he's capable of doing that. Like, who thinks like saying something like that if you know OP is BH?
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
September 19 2013 13:20 GMT
#3220
On September 19 2013 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 19 2013 22:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn is 100% scum, now Im confident.

Kush, agree?

Fuck you Oats. If i was scum nobody, absolutely nobody in my scumteam claims scum on N1, especially the Godfather with such bullshitting abilities BH has.

oh im sorry I insulted your scum abilities.
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