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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 17:20 GMT
#1961
Votes I found notable and some discussion of them:




Rayn:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637796

Most notable vote in his filter, really.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660719
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660788

Why does Rayn repeatedly leave his vote on people he doesn’t really think are mafia? Screams throughout the day that X is scum (TK on D1, Hapa on D2) and then votes for lurky mislynches twice? Possible mafia.

Sylencia:

Not active in the voting much, and his voteposts aren’t TERRIBLE. inconclusive.

Onegu:

Votes for FT based on basically nothing D1. Unvotes when argued at, but finds another bad excuse to vote for him again at the end of the day. D2 votes Slam and never moves his vote. Possible mafia.

Sn0:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19635723

“consolidation vote” on Slam

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637580

“consolidation vote” on FT

Both instances, doesn’t seem to care which of them gets lynched. Mentions Syl/Oats as other people he MIGHT vote for at other odd times, but never makes a real push himself. Squirms out of voting for Syl because of something Marv said. Possible mafia.

Hapa:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637052

Weird from Hapa to be so indecisive about lynching Syl, but understandable I guess.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637746

Defeated or scum? Hard to know.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660890

Only vote D2 is a case on Oats that simultaneously removes impetus from the Slam lynch. Could see Town Hapa doing this, tbh.

TK/Thrawn:

Vote on slam is not that bad D1. Doesn’t waffle around much. Discusses the lynch a lot.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19639238

Notably agrees with my Onegu analysis. Not a vote but noteworthy.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660903

Disturbing that he defends Oats earlier on in the day only to find his vote there later one because “Hapa is convincing”

Overall, not very conclusive.

Marv:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637106

syrup and waffle. Notably, also doesn’t seem to give too much of a fuck which of FT/Slam gets lynched

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19637549

wwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaffffffffffffffffffllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660681

votes for slam D2

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19660965

then votes for Oats, again waffling about slam

Does he care who gets lynched? Doesn’t look like it




Not terribly conclusive, but out of the three, I would pick Rayn/Marv/Onegu as the worst and the ones I will concentrate on in my next step: a read of the thread.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 17:48 GMT
#1962
it's be nice for some feedback to know if I'm even looking in the right direction
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 18:05 GMT
#1964
What about Onegu?

He looks pretty fucking bad, IMO
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 18:25 GMT
#1966
I don't feel good about lynching Hapa because you're probably right about the doctor claim. That, and I've played like shit until now and I think I should completely ignore my biases against him.

Not lynching thrawn. He sucks ass at mafia and I highly doubt he would be able to pull this off.

Sylencia actually looks the best out of every save Hapa/Thrawn on the voting. That combined with his general higher activity than normal makes me think he's town.

I looked hard at you last night but I have begun to seriously doubt that you're actually mafia. You seemed to play just like this in Persona.

that really only leaves Marv/Rayn/Onegu as possible mafia, and I can believe any one of them capable of playing the way they have this game as mafia. I had townreads on them before because of how much they fuck up the thread, but I realize that Rayn is known for doing that kind of thing as scum with his scumbuddy before.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 18:56 GMT
#1968
On September 05 2013 03:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda want to kill yamato just for his incredibly terrible analysis on my voting.

You're the one that said in the post you voted that it was a mislynch.
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 19:19 GMT
#1970
This isn't an argument, lol.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 19:26 GMT
#1973
On September 05 2013 04:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yamato explain you full 180 on Sno_man.

no
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 04 2013 20:57 GMT
#1976
On September 05 2013 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 01:47 yamato77 wrote:
On September 05 2013 01:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
I can wait, but so far your "mulligan" feels a lot more like:
Well of my 3 man "scum-team" (aka mislynch-roster), 2 have proven themselves or flipped town. I really need an excuse to 180 on everything so... "Mulligan" time.

It is true, town in the same situation does the same thing, but I really don't see town starting off with some BS about hapa not being confirmed town .

Voting far less informative this game than I had hoped since Day 1 was fairly "runaway" with 8 votes to 3, and day 2 was a "close race" between 2 townies. However, if you can spot anything really useful I'd love to hear it. I do somewhat feel like Syl and Thrawn look a bit bad from day 1 voting, but nothing too conclusive.

I look deeper than just the votecounts. A really effective tactic is to scan through someone's filter looking at votes and unvotes, and read why they voted or unvoted.

I already have a sneaking suspicion about one player just based off this.

This is the funniest post in thread. Compare this to yamato's "analysis" of my voting and actions.. rofl.
Maybe we should just lynch him.
##Vote: yamato77

You're tipped your hand. Since when did you lose your confidence in me being town?

Today we lynch scum.

##Vote Raynpelikoneet
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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 01:26 GMT
#2048
On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.

You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads.

Rayn flip flopping about my alignment is fucking fishy, dude. That's why I voted for the guy with the 20 page filter who has been fucking around the whole damn game.

As far as having a conversation with you, I don't know what to tell you. I post in the thread, and if you don't respond or respond in such a manner that you dismiss everything I did post (as you've been oft to do this game), I'm not one much to put forth extreme effort to get anything out of you.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 11:37 GMT
#2076
Sn0 played this same sort of disconnected game where he was just... there as town in Persona. Is he capable of playing mafia this way? I don't know. But it isn't enough for me to want to lynch him. The fact that he's attempted to be a voice of reason today gives me some encouragement. I have doubts, and I cannot doubt my lynch choice today.

Rayn I voted for because of how I view his voting habits. Yes, there is context, but there is also an overriding mindset that should be the determining force in the placement of votes. Town players seldom vote for what they would label a mislynch, no matter what context. Also, he flips his read on me as I question my assumptions about his ability to emulate this sort of play as mafia. I doubted it before, but do I necessarily want to risk losing a game to him on the assumption that he can't reliably fake being a fucking nutjob as scum? Not really.

As for who I want to lynch, I'm yet undecided. It would be lovely if Marv gave a fuck about this game, but apparently he doesn't. Is this necessarily something I attribute to scum Marv? No, but it certainly doesn't help him in the face of his weak voting history and his lack of initiative in scumhunting.

I suppose I feel better about his lynch than just about anyone else. I have my misgivings about trusting Rayn, but I suppose that will always be the case with someone who plays mafia better than they do town.

##Unvote
##Vote Marvellosity
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 11:47 GMT
#2080
On September 05 2013 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Why are you trusting rayn?

Because I'm listening to Hapa. Like I've said before in this very game, it's PROBABLY the case that Rayn is town.

I would also feel like a bass if Marv is mafia and I called him out D1.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 11:48 GMT
#2081
On September 05 2013 20:47 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Why are you trusting rayn?

Because I'm listening to Hapa. Like I've said before in this very game, it's PROBABLY the case that Rayn is town.

I would also feel like a bass if Marv is mafia and I called him out D1.

EBWOP feel like a baws*
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 11:50 GMT
#2082
Also wouldn't mind an Onegu lynch

He maf, too
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 12:34 GMT
#2090
I'm not going to indulge your need to validate your own ability.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 12:40 GMT
#2092
I base my statement off personal experience with you, Rayn.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 17:25 GMT
#2182
5.5 hours until lynch, and still no Marv?

Dddddddiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 20:55 GMT
#2272
On September 06 2013 05:38 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

Are you around?

Sort of.

I know you don't feel good about the Marv lynch. Onegu is fine as a lynch, too.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 22:30 GMT
#2294
On September 06 2013 06:38 Sn0_Man wrote:
Wat? I think that yam/syl/thrawn are the scumteam thats what I think of them.

They all carefully avoid giving each other scumreads.

##Unvote
##Vote: Sylencia

Don't worry too much rayn I'm really liable to flip flopping right now and I'll do my best to ensure voting shenanigans do not occur. I just feel like Syl is the best vote right now. If you think he is scum I strongly encourage you to vote syl over marv tbh. The only issue is that we need MORE THAN 5 people on Syl to guarantee his lynch (although you shouldn't care since the only person it can bounce to is marv so your scumteam gets lynched either way).

I was leaning town on you until you did this shit.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 22:40 GMT
#2299
On September 06 2013 07:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
well, its EITHER those 3 OR Marv/Onegu +1 and I'm unsure who the +1 is.

Its so hard to figure this out.

Im probably ending up voting marv anyway.

I'm aware that this looks flip floppy but I don't care because we lose if we don't hit scum today. Literally all I care about is hitting scum.

Are you flip-flopping because you are the + 1 in that second group?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
September 05 2013 22:54 GMT
#2308
On September 06 2013 07:52 marvellosity wrote:
Hi all.

##Vote: Hapahauli

7 minutes good grace because I'm nice like that

And to think I doubted my gut read of you D1

Hapa you will pay for this
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