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raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 01:30 GMT

#2361

Well, for real, who is scum?
i don't see anyone but yamato being scum atm.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 01:38 GMT

#2363

\o/ Hapa!

i think you are right!

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 01:41 GMT

#2364

I personally see no reason to think Onegu is scum. Also Thrawn.
Then there is you and me.

Syl is confirmed scum
yamato and Sno. yamato looks 100x worse atm, but wtf...

Syl and yam. gg.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 13:36 GMT

#2386

Hey yamato are you here?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 13:58 GMT

#2388

On September 06 2013 18:55 thrawn2112 wrote:

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Okay. I can see it being done but I don't think it was a good idea. I think I will be 100% on syl after I get over how many times I called him town recently.

I think i have to revisit Onegu's argument of putting 4 votes on Sylencia and 4 on marv and then townies F5ing here at the deadline. Could he make such a dumb suggestion as mafia?

I am pretty sure Sno & thrawn are town, for what i have said earlier and due to their response to the flip.

The question is, which one of Onegu / yamato is scum? I would have hoped yamato would have started playing instead of bashing Hapa. That makes no sense to me, what's the point? I still do not like his backflip on reads. That matter has still not been explained in any way and to me it seems like he is just dodging answering Hapahauli until he dies.

Onegu has some pretty strong town-tells in his play. Then again i do not know if he does those things as scum as i don't remember a game i have played with him where he was scum. I have in the past games talked about his town!passiveness and i think he could be able to fake that as scum. Then there is his awkward suggestion to the 4-4 voting (which - for real - would have been the only "strategy" that could ensure scum win if Sylencia was town).

Look at these things after night phase. Personally i am leaning on yamato being scum because of his dodgy attitude towards questions aked from him.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 13:58 GMT

#2389

Onegu why did you suggest the F5 battle for last night? You were not even gonna be here, so you would not have to take responsibility over what happens. How does that make sense?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 14:34 GMT

#2392

Because i don't think he is scum.

The only way mafia could have won yesterday, given that marv and Syl were the candidates was that we do your 4-4 suggestion. 2 mafia on marv, 1 mafia on Syl. All mafia vote switch at the last second onto Hapa, if town fucks up, no doctor left, kill anyone but me and GG. How can you bank the game on some bullshit F5 battle if there is a possibility that Sylencia is town? If you thought Sylencia is sure scum, why did you not just try to convince townies to vote for him instead of doing some half-arsed plan?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 14:43 GMT

#2395

Ofc i do. We are murdering him tomorrow either way.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 14:44 GMT

#2397

I mean, you tried to convince us to have 4 votes on Sylencia, and 4 votes on marv in case Sylencia is town.
If you were sure he is scum why did you not try to convince all of us to vote for Sylencia instead?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 14:51 GMT

#2399

On September 06 2013 23:48 Onegu wrote:

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Because people said they believed his claim and didnt want to vote like that, so I thought up the safest way to kill him to allay peoples fears.

Do you think syl is scum?

Yes i think Sylencia is scum. I already said that.
Actually, this makes you most likely town. If you were scum you would know marv & Syl are scum, why would you make a stupid suggestion like that (that would not even get a townie lynched because Sylencia is scum and fakeclaiming).

So you can't basically be scum.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 14:59 GMT

#2401

Sylencia's timing of the claim was really bad as town, him choking right after tha claim was bad, he was obviously scum even without the fakeclaim thingy. I don't know what people here think, that was so utterly bad i couldn't see that coming from a townie.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 15:01 GMT

#2402

On September 06 2013 23:59 Onegu wrote:

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Thats why I kept asking you. I believed syl is scum, marv had a good chance of flipping scum also, thats why I was ok suggesting the 4-4 vote. I was more confident in my syl read then marv.

yeah it makes sense.
Do you think Sno is scum? Why not yamato?

What do you think of thrawn's posts on marv D3? I think he is pretty likely to be town.
What do you think Sno's posts on D3 and his reaction to the flip? I think he is town based on those, and based on his attitude towards me (he does that as town - calls me retarded and not worth listening to).

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 15:18 GMT

#2404

Okay good.
If you think Sno is scum, read him too. I think you and yamato had good points on him last night phase, but yamato's sudden 180 on you and Sno is really fishy. It could be he is scum, i am more interested in hearing if yamato gets into discussion with Hapa or not during this pahse. It's likely Hapa will die (rofl if scum hit him and he self-docs as it will give us a mislynch), and i got a feeling yamato is dodging to discuss the game with him (and with me) because he is mafia.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:01 GMT

#2409

Stop about the fakeclaim thing. That is not going to do any good/bad compared to what it has done.

Who is scum Sylencia?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:15 GMT

#2411

reasoning?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:28 GMT

#2414

On September 07 2013 02:23 yamato77 wrote:

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I am now

if you ask non-stupid questions, I might even entertain a conversation.

Who is scum and why?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:28 GMT

#2415

Also, even if you think my questions are not reasonable, can you answer Hapa's?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:32 GMT

#2417

You are not even looking at what "confirmed townies" post. What gives?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:45 GMT

#2419

Fine, i'll do the work for you (while you "answered him" without answering).
These posts:

On September 05 2013 11:28 Hapahauli wrote:

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On September 05 2013 10:26 yamato77 wrote:

On September 05 2013 07:16 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...

On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:

On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:

On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture

So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.

Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:

On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:

On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.

... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.

You know why my Sn0 read is different, I fucking explained it. And yes, the vote analysis is shallow because it is just an indicator of POSSIBLE mafia. I say in the post that it's inconclusive because it is. I'm not all the way done reforming my reads.

No, you didn't explain at all why your Sn0 read is different. Let me walk you through your filter:

Before my night actions, you were all aboard the hapa/sn0 scumteam train:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=91#1815

Then you "mulligan" your reads, and post your vote-analysis, in which you call Sn0 "possible mafia"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426387&currentpage=99#1961

... after which you conclude that 3 other people are scum. Still nothing about your sn0 town read.

So no, you did not explain why your Sn0 read is different. Ever.

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So why is it scummy as opposed to Rayn being absurdly emotional?

On September 05 2013 11:33 Hapahauli wrote:
I stand corrected. You say this about Sn0:

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Then you threw in a line here about Sn0. However that still doesnt' really tell me anything. How is the same? Does "similar" play preclude Sn0's scumgame?

Also who is scum?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

September 06 2013 17:49 GMT

#2421

On September 07 2013 02:47 yamato77 wrote:
The point of a fucking mulligan is to change your reads.

Jesus.

That is the point. You never gave any concrete reasons for your reads change. It was all because of "i reread stuff".
It's not enough. Why is Sno now town and Onegu scum, it makes no sense to me?

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