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On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town? Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego.
How about this line from him?
On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious).
If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself.
The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia
Follow me?>
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There are a few things I am not liking about my #3 suspect, Onegu
First off, has anyone here played with him and give me some insight on his skill level?
This post was scum city when i looked at it
What did he accomplish in that post? He touched on a few things that weren't the main happening in the thread at that point.
The main thing going on at that point was the raynp and scribs wrastling going on. Also, he didn't follow up and truly commit to anything in his following posts.
He has one scumread: me. For what exactly, I'm not sure. His focus has been commenting on random things.
Then, he says this in response to yamatos stuff about marv and hapa.
On August 30 2013 02:24 Onegu wrote:
EBWOP
I agree it is very important to figure out thier alignments asap as they are the most important to the game as either alignment.
That's odd, because he hasn't shared any info with us on his judgement on both.
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Ugh i did terrible job explaining motivations there. continued....
Scum like to act like they are contributing. An easy way to do that is to point out small things and follow them up.
Onegu is not involved in the main happenings in the thread. He isn't sharing insights on his reads and the whys.
His posting is scum motivated because he has posts that look like they have content, yet do not. They provide no benefit to a town agenda
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ebwop
Not follow them up
Sorry about spam guys.....I am contributing to my own headache 
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On August 30 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. + Show Spoiler +
So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego. How about this line from him? On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself. The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia Follow me?> I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following: He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument. As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him. I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"?
Ok I see what you mean from this post
On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation.
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you.
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On August 30 2013 03:06 sciberbia wrote:
@rayn
fine I'll respond to debears after I get through more important stuff like re-reading the posts since last night and figuring out who we should lynch today.
If you can respond to the case in the next 7 hours, would be great. We still have another 24 til lynch right?
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On August 30 2013 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears you are right about what you said.
Also i have a question to you:
Have you actually read the whole thread? I mean, sciberbia's attitude towards me and Onegu's town-meta have been topics of discussion before and they have been explained. Why have you missed them if you have read the thread before you started posting?
When I see a bunch of short posts about different people from different people, I tune out. It's worthless trying to keep that organized in my head.
I worry about the main happenings. Who's against who. Who's active and talking to others about actual stuff.
That kinda thing. I only zone in when something jumps out (have a feeling)
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On August 30 2013 03:18 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. (1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh. Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1)
1) That wasnt the case yesterday. My first posts against you were just little liners with no explanation. You weren't scumhunting then. They took very little response. You also chose to not ignore someone you said to ignore instead of scumhuntings.
2) Lol. Even the best make mistakes. A 95% town read on someone is not town oriented day 1. There is only 1 possible town explanation for that. I'm not going into that right now because you shouldn't say that in that 1 situation anyways.
3) You made two posts on the third party shit. That's weird(aka scummy) as fuck.
Ill wait for the full rebuttal though, esp on the interaction with you and dos raynp
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On August 30 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What do you think of Oats?
Oats is playing like I remember him playing. His town meta is close to his scum meta. In either scenario he's hard to read. I'd rather wait on voting to read him and his posting past day 1.
The main notable thing I saw on him is him shitting up the thread with marv for no reason. If he was someone known for their town play, we'd have a problem.
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Btw my second candidate for lynch is sylv. I'll explain that later after we get this scribs stuff handled.
Sylv did similar to Onegu. I definitely see one of them being a scumbo.
1) MTV Scribs
2) The Sylver fox
3) Oneguru
In dat order. Get out your pitchforks guys
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On August 30 2013 03:50 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:35 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 03:18 sciberbia wrote:On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:
Still, that leaves other questions:
- why has his scumhunting been lacking?
- why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1?
- why is he speculating on the third party?
Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. (1) Because since I've woken up and read the thread I've been having to respond to dumb posts from you and yamato. (2) Because rayn is playing very townie and I'm good at reading people. (3) It was the fucking third post of the game for god's sake. In the second post of the game, Sn0 speculates on two scumteams and that's ok, but when I point out in the third post that there might be a third party it makes me scum? Sheesh. Yes i can tear apart your post in full within 7 hours. Gotta find some mafia first. See (1) 1) That wasnt the case yesterday. My first posts against you were just little liners with no explanation. You weren't scumhunting then. They took very little response. You also chose to not ignore someone you said to ignore instead of scumhuntings. 2) Lol. Even the best make mistakes. A 95% town read on someone is not town oriented day 1. There is only 1 possible town explanation for that. I'm not going into that right now because you shouldn't say that in that 1 situation anyways. 3) You made two posts on the third party shit. That's weird(aka scummy) as fuck. Ill wait for the full rebuttal though, esp on the interaction with you and dos raynp This is literally just getting ridiculous. 1) How much scumhunting do you expect me to do in the first 6 hours of the game? You're being completely unreasonable. Before i went to bed, i stated my top 3 scumreads and gave reasons why. I also stated my opinions on TK's and rayn's alignments -- again with reasons why. I literally commented on everything that I found interesting in the first 6 hours, and then I went to bed. What the fuck do you want me to do? Make up some bullshit case about some dumb post on the first page and tunnel someone into the ground? Sorry to let you down but I just couldn't find any great scumtells in the first 4 pages. Didn't realize that's a crime. 2) So 85% is acceptable but 95% is ludicrous? I was not aware that there is some line in the sand that I'm not allowed to cross. Idk your obsession with this just seems like the dumbest thing ever to me. 3) THE SECOND POST ON IT WAS BECAUSE RAYN SPECIFICALLY ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN THE FIRST POST ON IT. my god. I can only assume you weren't even reading rayn's post. Do you see me bringing up third party speculation all over the thread? No -- I really don't give a fuck. I made a passing comment as the second post of the game and then rayn asked me why I posted that which obviously then led to me mentioning it again.
Scribs what is your read on me right meow?
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On August 30 2013 04:58 Hapahauli wrote:Couple of things from the night: @ DebearsThat sciberia case is an absolute trainwreck. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 03:07 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:44 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On August 30 2013 02:39 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:37 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
debears if you read the start of Ego mini mafia you should find out that how sciberbia has interacted with me in this game is not alignment indicative for him, at least it does not make him scummy. + Show Spoiler +
So he often discredits you, then defends himself thoroughly against you, then declares you 95% town?
Ugh i mean by discredit, "tells people to ignore you" I could see him doing that given how i played the first 24h in Ego. How about this line from him? On August 29 2013 10:29 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 10:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then why are you trying to shut me down for no reason? What's the point of your post where you tell everyone to not listen to my "analysys" (notice the apostrophes or wtf they are in English), why do you tell people to not listen to me?
Why? OK perhaps I should have made this more clear rayn. I don't want people to ignore ALL of your posts -- only the posts that are distractions with no real content.I'm not trying to "shut you down" and I have no problem with you making arguments like Sno_man is town because his first post is not something that scum would post. I don't necessarily agree with that argument, but I can see your thought process behind it and it's one of the reasons I think you're town this game. You made some analysis towards the end of Ego Mini that I really liked, and in general I definitely don't want people to ignore your actual analyses. But both at the start of Ego Mini and at the start of this game you made a bunch of brash votes with little to no reasoning given. This isn't actual 'analysis' (hence the quotes) which is why I'd prefer it be ignored. I don't want people to pay attention to things like sno_man is town even though I'm voting for him (no explanation given at first), yamato is town (no explanation given) or sciberbia is scum (for being too serious). If he wanted you ignored for posts of no real content, then why did he defend himself against you if he is town. If he is town, he would know your accusations against him were bullshit. In other words, your accusations should have been ignored by himself according to himself. The only way your accusations held enough merit for him to not ignore you is if he is mafia Follow me?> I don't think so. My thought process on him is the following: He noticed my posting at the start of this game was quite similar than in Ego. We were both town in that game. I was actually "shitposting" there as i had no time to play that game in the beginning. He thought i would follow up like i did in Ego, therefore he told people to ignore me. When i askd him "why shut me down" he realized i am not going to play like i did in Ego, and clarified his statement that if i am gonna shitpost, i should be ignored. If not, i should be listened. That post of mine directed to him was actually contentful and he realized he was wrong on me, and retracted from his argument. As i said before he could be doing that as scum aswell, but i do not think it makes him scum because i can see why he did what he did from town pov. On August 30 2013 02:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
rayn...i just DO NOT understand how you come to a scum read on me. My words on Sno were pure hypothetical "why would you ever do that as scum?"
I'm still harping on TK because, like you, I think he's scum and also that he is misrepresenting my reasons for voting him. I don't understand your first post about Sno in any way. How does reading the OP = "trying to look like you are reading the thread"? Ok I see what you mean from this post On August 29 2013 08:55 sciberbia wrote:On August 29 2013 08:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey sciberbia, what was the point in your first post? Does that help us find mafia in some way? The point of my first post was to indicate my presence to the rest of the thread and invite people to start a discussion with me. Said discussion would in fact help me find mafia, but instead you are trying to turn the thread into the raynpelikoneet-circus, which I am unable to make much meaningful analysis on. I would appreciate it if you took a break and shared your 'analysis' with us tomorrow. I suggest everyone ignore rayn for the time-being, and request that all votes be accompanied by a serious explanation. Still, that leaves other questions: - why has his scumhunting been lacking? - why does he have a 95% town read on you on day 1? - why is he speculating on the third party? Those 3 things are still scum oriented, even if you discount his weird defending himself against you. Of the three, the first is the only one that could be allignment indicative. And even then, saying that "someone hasn't scumhunted" is the most confirmation-biased possible read there is. In fact, you do point out "his posts on you" in your case on him. It seems like he has scum-hunted, but you aren't happy with his analysis as opposed to objectively considering his contributions. + Show Spoiler +
@ YamatoOn August 30 2013 01:49 yamato77 wrote:
I'm really only interested in figuring out the alignments of Marv and Hapa, because if they are town they will figure the rest of you out and we'll win the game. If they are scum we lynch them and the game becomes far easier to figure out. So forgive me for ignoring everyone else, my posts will be focused on them. You're someone that can be considered a town-leader in your own right, and I'd expect more of a contribution on Day 1 than this. First of all, the way Marv entered the thread earlier today acting superior is a "holier than thou" attitude that I would not expect from town Marv towards two players he has played with so much in the past (Oats and myself). Mind you, his interactions with us basically served no purpose other than to establish his early activity, discredit my early vote, and to shit up the thread with Oats. He doesn't think either of us are mafia. Plenty of mafia motivation in his actions there. Since then, of course, he's been pro-town, but I know he's more than capable of that for at least a few hours.
What is even more perplexing to me is that Hapa, when questioned about the alignment of Marv, specifically said that this did not look like a "holier-than-thou" scum-Marv. If Hapa was town and Marv scum, he may be the only one well-versed enough in the wiles of mafia Marvellosity to truly push his lynch, but this shows that he's either not reading Marv very closely or has pre-decided what he thinks of Marv with some information from out of the thread. Either way, this is what a mafia Hapa would be like regarding Marv as either alignment. I may yet be wrong and this could be attributable to Hapa being up late and tired from all the awesome DotA we played, but it's something to note. Marv sounds very bitchy to me. In fact, it sounds as if his emotions are a bit out of control when responding to things. When marv is scum, he says things that people want to hear, and doesn't antagonize the vocal town population. It sounds like you two got into a fight, and your ego's are preventing both of you from backing down from each other. Aside from those interactions, I've yet to be particularly impressed by the scumhunting efforts of either player, but it is still in the first half of D1 and there is time yet to do better. Hapa going after debears was not what I usually see out of him as town.
If anyone wants to talk about the alignment of these two, feel free to respond. I will be on thread later. Really? I haven't gone after someone early on in the other 70 games I've played with you?
Hi Hapa dappa doo.
Hapa lets do a check list on scribs contributions
- a 95% town read (raynp)
- a null read (TK)
- two twoliner scumreads on sn0 and yamato
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On August 30 2013 02:53 sciberbia wrote:
I have concluded that debears's post is not really worth responding to.
One thing I will say is that I was willing to respond to rayn's posts because I think he is most likely town, and he started actually playing the game and making reasonable points.
On the other hand, I think debears is quite possibly scum and I think everything he's posted about me is rubbish so unless somebody else wants something clarified I'm not responding to his stuff anymore.
For someone so active, he hasn't done anything.......at all....and he keeps blaming me for it. Let's see how he does scumhunting when I don't address him at all shall we?
Cuz right now, I don't see anything from him.
Also, you know very well that town should have no interest whatsoever in any possible third party speculation in most setups, this one included. I'm kinda suprised that you would say it's not alignment indicative whatsoever.
And that leaves this question hapa: What is your read on raynp?
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On August 30 2013 05:00 Tutankoopa wrote:
Hi There, apahauli
Yoyo got some opinions on the scribs case?
And the thoughts on sylencia and onegu?
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That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null?
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On August 30 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:17 debears wrote:
That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null? Town Show nested quote +"Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie."
How town?
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You guys are no fun......how do you both go from scum to dumb town at the same time on me
On August 30 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:20 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:17 debears wrote:
That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null? Town "Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie." How town? Do you not read what I post? The 180 he did is so absurdly attention-grabby, and makes incredibly very little sense as scum. As scum, you want to vote someone and justify it to look "clean." Rayn certainly can spam a thread to hell as either allignment, but going in, voting someone, then 180'ing on it right away on such strong terms is incredibly attention-grabby and not something I'd think a scum would go into a thread and plan.
The point of this post was to get a number from you, but you clearly must have a 95% town read on him also.
Good to know
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On August 30 2013 05:30 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 05:29 debears wrote:You guys are no fun......how do you both go from scum to dumb town at the same time on me On August 30 2013 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:20 debears wrote:On August 30 2013 05:19 Hapahauli wrote:On August 30 2013 05:17 debears wrote:
That is not a read on raynp
Scum, Town, Null? Town "Oookay interesting vote on SnO... wait wut he think's Sno is town?!? How does that make any goddamn sense?"
"Oh wait that's the most absurdly attention-whorey move ever, seems townie." How town? Do you not read what I post? The 180 he did is so absurdly attention-grabby, and makes incredibly very little sense as scum. As scum, you want to vote someone and justify it to look "clean." Rayn certainly can spam a thread to hell as either allignment, but going in, voting someone, then 180'ing on it right away on such strong terms is incredibly attention-grabby and not something I'd think a scum would go into a thread and plan. The point of this post was to get a number from you, but you clearly must have a 95% town read on him also. Good to know Numbers are stupid... as if you can "quantify" someone's alignment. But yes, I have a fairly strong town-read on Rayn. Is that relevant in some way?
It's relevant as in, if you would have a strong town read on him, that you would understand where scribs is coming from (sharing the same perspective). Eh, the timing is off though. If you had said that early d1 also, I'd consider you in the same boat as scribs.
Fun times
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##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia
Where you been dude?
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On August 30 2013 06:24 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 06:16 marvellosity wrote:On August 30 2013 06:13 Hopeless1der wrote:On August 30 2013 06:11 marvellosity wrote:
Hey all, weird shit going on. A few things before I forget
Hapa - what do you think of debears' comments on the 'scumcity' post from Onegu? Also (and genuine question I'd like answered) how are you feeling in general about this game so far?
rayn, I said to remind me to comment on that post of yours after Tutan came back, so anyways. It was about him mentioning Oats at the start of the post and rescinding it at the end of the post. You seemed to be quite suspicious of that but to me it seems like a natural flow of consciousness. I don't see how that can be seen as anything worse than null, and is probably a towntell.
Hopeless, if you are indeed town then this tunnel is the worst thing in the history of the universe. marv, you are the only one to come remotely close to commenting on my actual reasons for voting TK. Hapa has taken the same reason I call TK scum to call TK town. You essentially agree with Hapa. He is currently trying to round-about his way to explaining that to me, but i simply disagree with you two about the implications of changing your mind so suddenly. Tell me what 'town' TK would/should have done? Or why what he didn't couldn't come from town? Or both indeed :p Town anyone should have followed through with the questions to rayn instead of citing "this is stupid" and jumping ship with their vote in tow. If he'd have allowed for even one more post from rayn before unvoting I probably wouldnt be here, but I interpret his actions as being scared to have his vote parked, lest someone (me...) think he was serious about wanting to lynch rayn. That's a wholly scum motivated thought process based on thread context at the time of his unvote imo.
I don't like this post tbh. When I saw taht response from TK, it seemed to make sense. Raynp has been clogging up the thread, and his early posts were not very good at all.
It's pretty much the same concept as arguing with oats or yamato (or me)
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