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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
September 13 2013 01:21 GMT
#2961
oh wait i don't think we argued at all during D2.

NVM I'M BAD
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 13 2013 03:25 GMT
#2962
I'm pretty convinced town will never win a game again.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 13 2013 03:55 GMT
#2963
town just won in persona, but yea getting pretty rare these days. A combination of some really egregious towns lately and most setups being (in my opinion) quite scum favored.
I come in for the scraps
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
September 13 2013 04:05 GMT
#2964
This setup was pretty town favoured in that after 2 mislynches it was pretty much impossible to get the water level to 250 or below for scum to use their powers X|
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 13 2013 10:43 GMT
#2965
I already talked to rayn in PMs about his claims, nothing much else to say about it here.

From a gameplay perspective, I chose to shoot debears on night 1 simply because he was mostly on the right track. I could feel his paranoia of me, and he was suspicious of Sylencia and Onegu (iirc).

It was a rather large mistake of mine to miss his crumb, wasn't paying enough attention.

On day 2, the main task (from my POV) was to bury thrawn's pretty good case on Onegu. Fortunately town was chaotic enough and Onegu played decently enough that the case just kinda went away somehow.

Shot sciberbia night 2 because although he was mostly on the wrong track, he was looking very townie. Hapa was under quite a bit of pressure as well, and wasn't suspicious of me, so it was good to leave him alive. Funnily enough, the fact I roleblocked sciberbia and stopped him shooting a townie (yamato) ended up being a significant benefit to mafia.

Personally, the game was already tiring me out through day 2, but I was ready to do one last big effort on day 3 to secure one of slam/sn0. When Slam got modkilled, everything changed, and I just couldn't summon up the energy to make another big effort, so I just gave up basically.

Probably my next towngames will have quite a bit less posting than what I did here as mafia for the first cycle or two :/
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 13:43:36
September 13 2013 13:39 GMT
#2966
On September 13 2013 13:05 Sylencia wrote:
This setup was pretty town favoured in that after 2 mislynches it was pretty much impossible to get the water level to 250 or below for scum to use their powers X|

It would be very similar, only the other way around, if scum got lynched first. That's not favoring anybody.
€: Also if scum was lynched d1, the ones that were left would have been able to use their shit n1, while that was not possible for town.

In fact, the water mechanic was scum favored, in the sense that opposing a game without it and the same player/role numbers, town would have had one additional mislynch, which was denied by the lynch-3-in-a-row-and-lose thingy.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 13 2013 13:44 GMT
#2967
I liked the setup, it favored scumhunting over power role stuff. I imagine it makes games last longer on average due to the balancing nature of the water mechanic.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 13 2013 13:50 GMT
#2968
yeah the water stuff was kinda fun really.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Papa_Smurf
Profile Joined September 2013
336 Posts
September 13 2013 14:35 GMT
#2969
On September 13 2013 22:50 marvellosity wrote:
yeah the water stuff was kinda fun really.


Would be cool if lynches and nks put a little less into the water level and let roles impact the water levels more.

Considering either side would have to play a perfect game to fully sway the water level, it felt like a wasted game mechanic
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 14:40:19
September 13 2013 14:39 GMT
#2970
I didn't want to go too crazy cuz that'd be too much work and math and shit.

Just wanted to try it out. So I didn't want to make it too impactful
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Papa_Smurf
Profile Joined September 2013
336 Posts
September 13 2013 20:05 GMT
#2971
On September 13 2013 23:39 Dandel Ion wrote:
I didn't want to go too crazy cuz that'd be too much work and math and shit.

Just wanted to try it out. So I didn't want to make it too impactful


Well, if you ever want to expand on it more (theorycraft) let me know
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 13 2013 20:32 GMT
#2972
Pretty sure my next mini will be roulette 2 :O

But that's a bit further down the road too.
"maybe one day"
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
September 14 2013 06:29 GMT
#2973
On September 13 2013 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh, and GG gaiz

I played pretty goddamn terrible this game. I didn't have enough time to invest in this game, and it pretty clearly showed in my play. Shout-out to Onegu for a very solid scum-game, and to marv for throwing yet another wrinkle in his scum-game that I have to see through next time >>



Must have had a great newbie scum coach <3
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 07 2013 08:16 GMT
#2974
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.



How is this anything close to what is going on THIS game.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 07 2013 15:59 GMT
#2975
hue
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9643 Posts
November 07 2013 16:08 GMT
#2976
On November 07 2013 17:16 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.



How is this anything close to what is going on THIS game.

How is this anything close to what is going on THIS game.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 07 2013 16:08 GMT
#2977
stop bumping my mafia victories guise
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 07 2013 17:19 GMT
#2978
In this mylo scenario, the solution should have been quite a bit easier.

A no lynch was absolutely optimal play, no contest. Making scum shoot another townie and using the extra time to re analyze the game is invaluable for town. Mafia is always racing to end the game, and town should always play to extend it whenever possible. In this case, losing Rayn after another 2 days of deliberation wouldn't have been greatly informative, but it might have given me enough time to convince Sn0 of the real mafia.

Even if we don't no-lynch, based on the last day, I should have been able to deduce that Sn0 was town. Why? His vote never left me. Why would a mafia player in this mylo restrict himself to one mislynch when there is only one confirmed town out of four players? Sn0's stubborn insistence that I was mafia should have confirmed him town given that Onegu flip flopped so hard. It was massive oversight and horribly reactive play by me to think that his play made him mafia.

It's possible that a mafia player would play like that, but it's unlikely given how the votes switched around multiple times. All in all, I lost this game because of a general fault in my play to react badly to people that call me mafia incessantly, not because it wasn't possible to tell that Sn0 was actually town. I had the right answer for the right reason at mylo and then ignored it for a terribly emotional play that cost me a win.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
November 07 2013 17:25 GMT
#2979
I really didn't want to no lynch twice in a row (having onegu shoot rayn both times) because A) I wanted the game to end and B) I felt like rayn was worth more to town alive with his vote than dead with no vote.

Obviously this is brutally incorrect.

PS: I still feel like I would have voted yamato, Onegu would have joined in (and/or voted me if Yam felt the need to vote me over onegu), and town still loses had we played it "correctly". But I'll admit we threw away like 100+ hours of time to solve the game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
November 07 2013 17:38 GMT
#2980
rofl..
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