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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:37 GMT
#1993
Actually Sn0, have you ever played a scum-game on this site?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 21:40 GMT
#1995
On September 05 2013 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skimming through debears' filter, one thing that bothers me is that debears devoted his D1 to getting Sylencia lynched.


All we know is that debears is genunine, and not that he's 100% correct. That being said, where the fuck is Syl?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:12 GMT
#2000
On September 05 2013 06:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
In persona we lacked intelligent townies so I put forth what I could. Town was swallowing rayn's garbage so I essentially fought rayn (another townie) for days until he was NK'd then the game was literally already solved based on voting and such. I just had to bash some of the dumber townies into seeing it. PS I was wildly off on my reads most of the game anyway.

This game there are plenty of smarter people so I don't need to get into shouting matches regarding awful lynches since nobody is dumb enough to listen to rayn very much. Unfortunately I'm not good at actually identifying scum from their play (see: persona) so I kinda suffer along and try to help where I can.

This is not true. WoS was purposely playing anti-town from the beginning and refused to explain himself to me multiple times. What am i supposed to do? Of course i made mistakes and could have looked things more objectively but it's pretty hard when someone refuses to explain anything to you. If you remember D1 i said "I am sure geript is scum but i can't justify lynching him to myself because every anti-town thing he does WoS does it 100x".

After WoS got lynched it took me two phases to solve the game, and the only thing i was not sure of was you, because of what you are doing here aswell right now. Discrediting me without any real reason to do so. You can call my play or methos as bad as you wish but that doesn't change the fact that when i get my shit together i find scum. You are not helping with you comments atm.


Please stop going off against everyone who criticizes you. It really isn't productive, and makes people not want to post freely
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:16 GMT
#2001
@ Yamato

When you get back, I need an answer to the following:

1) How is it that your Sn0 read is so different from yesterday?
2) Your votecount analysis seems really shallow. You spend zero time looking into the context of those posts and take them all at face value. You should realize that voting has been chaotic and wishy-washy as a whole this game.
3) I really don't understand the complete inability for us to have a conversation this game. For example, this post...
On September 03 2013 08:32 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 08:28 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:22 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 03 2013 08:15 yamato77 wrote:
On September 03 2013 07:57 sciberbia wrote:
@yamato
Were you ever planning on helping me lynch your SCUMREAD oats?

This is why I pushed Hapascum

Nobody listen to scumhunter extraodinaire Yams who is so good he's already dead in Aperture


So are you going to talk to me about this scumread or not?

I saw your response. I am not impressed. I don't think you read my posts too deeply if you think that was the only point against you.


Well your other point is that "I spent no time discussion lynch targets", which I find to be pretty false given that I led the consolidation at the end of today (even if it was a mislynch). I was on the fence for most of the day because I've been pretty damn lost this game read wise. Normally I can tunnel a player and get the information I want, but players like yourself, Oats, Alakasam, Onegu, and others I need posts from either are horrendously inactive or absent from the thread when I'm here or something.

SO yeah, my current view on the game is that scum is somewhere in the lurkers and that we have a circle-jerk of active townies who are willing to post. And that's a problem given how many goddamn inactives there are.

As for my read on you... well what's wrong about it? You've been useless to your own admission this game:
On September 02 2013 10:04 yamato77 wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Yamato, why are you being so useless this game? Is this a work-related thing? Because I've never seen a town-game from you where you've had such abysmal thread-presence.

I really haven't played town in a while, and certainly not with this group of players who I mostly find difficult to read.

Generally, it's easy enough for me to get some townreads and go from there, but I have too many question marks and not enough time to really pin them all down.

@scib I will give those reads, probably in the morning. I am unfortunately out of time right now.


... and I'm at a loss what to think of you. You're asleep/working when I'm active in the thread, and tunnel me when I'm gone.

I'll be on for a while tonight. If you're town, we'll resolve this.

...you made after you posted your case against me, seemingly promising to show some effort and talk to me. Instead you fucked off, did god knows what, and came back the next morning and tunneled me while I was gone.

You seemed so much more interested in calling me scum than actually trying to determine my allignment.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:18 GMT
#2002
Oh yeah, and have a better explanation for your vote on Rayn, because it seems entirely based on his 180 on you and some very shallow vote-post analysis.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:28 GMT
#2005
On September 05 2013 07:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not going against people who criticize me. I don't give a fuck if someone thinks i am not worth listening.

I go against arguments that are wrong. Yes, in Persona i mislynched on D1, after that i never had my vote on a townie in that game. I never accused a townie after that in the game (besides Sno_man). I didn't even get mad on Sno_man who refused to talk to me when i was trying to have a civilized conversation with him. On N2 I gave my resoning on the scum in the game that was right. Only thing i was not sure of was Sno_man.

So comments like "I don't need to get into shouting matches regarding awful lynches since nobody is dumb enough to listen to rayn very much" i do not understand. Nobody ever gave me good reasons why thrawn is town D1. PEople just called my case bad, called me dumb, and thrawn town. It still remains a mystery to me why?



I'm genuinely curious about this Rayn (and it's in no way an insult or anything) - but how often do scum tunnel you and/or are vocally suspicious of you in town games you play?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:45 GMT
#2008
On September 05 2013 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Usually scum call me bad. Recent examples of these are FirmTofu & yamato in 4 Persona. FirmTofu and Corazon in Titanic.
Or i get killed N1/N2. Last time scum tried to tunnel me was Ace in NWM N1. Didn't work out, too bad nobody realized he was scum.


Who's been calling you bad this game?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:49 GMT
#2011
On September 05 2013 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv.


Hmmm ok. Though I suspect he calls you bad as town too
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 22:53 GMT
#2012
But as for where I was leading with all this, I suspect that scum look at you and generally want to leave you doing your own thing.

So they either poke you with "bad" comments and are dismissive of you or ignore you all together.

I'll double check this tonight, but who are people who have interacted at length with you this game?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:01 GMT
#2014
On September 05 2013 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv, you and thrawn mostly. I have not played with thrawn before this.

By calling me bad i mean not telling why my arguments are bad but rather just give the thread the impression "this guy is wrong and does not know what he is talking about" or not answering my arguments at all and the accusing me of shitting up the thread when i try to explain what i mean. I have never seen marv do this before. He is a guy who usually is willing to listen to me and if he thinks i am wrong he tells me where i am going wrong and why. His D1 play regarding me--thrawn was completely different from what it usually is.


Can you elaborate on the marv bit?

GIve us something concrete, and I think it would definetely warrant a response from marv.

I will say that I think the difference might be due to your suspicion on him this game (to which he generally does not respond well).
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:02 GMT
#2015
Also, that's one of the reasons why I think Thrawn is town.

Do you think he'd really entertain your suspicions on him for that long? He was remarkably patient with you considering how up-in-his-face you were on D1.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:05 GMT
#2017
On September 05 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with yamato is that when i read the 4 Persona scum chat mafia's reasoning for killing me was "you can't mislynch rayn", from yamato. In that game i had lynched a town parity cop on D1 and had a red check on me. Still yamato wanted to hit me. That does not go to his scum meta (why would he be accusing me here given that comment?), but i also understand he has to play very differently and try hard if he wants to survive amongst people in this game in case he is scum.

His recent actions point towards him scum, and if he is unable to reasonably explain them i want to lynch him. Because right now he is not making any sense to me.


Well you kinda beat me to it (and I was hoping to get some response from yamato before it), but yeah I think Yamato is town.

Him going after you like this makes very little sense with how he generally plays scum. Also, him vocally questioning my doctor claim strikes me as absurd confirmation bias as opposed to malicious.

My scumteam right now is probably Onegu/Sylencia, and I'm a bit lost on the third. I would say marv or sn0, relaly not sure.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:07 GMT
#2019
Thrawninator, lets work through your reads right now.

Thoughts on Yamato? (since we were just talking about him)
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:08 GMT
#2021
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:16 GMT
#2023
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:24 GMT
#2026
On September 05 2013 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?


Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.


So you have 3 unacceptable lynches (of which I believe you all think are town-reads), you yourself will maintain that you're town.

That probably leaves 3 scum of the next 4 players. Who's your scumteam? Or if that's too specific, who are you leaning strongest scum on? Who are you wavering the most on?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:29 GMT
#2028
On September 05 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:05 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My problem with yamato is that when i read the 4 Persona scum chat mafia's reasoning for killing me was "you can't mislynch rayn", from yamato. In that game i had lynched a town parity cop on D1 and had a red check on me. Still yamato wanted to hit me. That does not go to his scum meta (why would he be accusing me here given that comment?), but i also understand he has to play very differently and try hard if he wants to survive amongst people in this game in case he is scum.

His recent actions point towards him scum, and if he is unable to reasonably explain them i want to lynch him. Because right now he is not making any sense to me.


Well you kinda beat me to it (and I was hoping to get some response from yamato before it), but yeah I think Yamato is town.

Him going after you like this makes very little sense with how he generally plays scum. Also, him vocally questioning my doctor claim strikes me as absurd confirmation bias as opposed to malicious.

My scumteam right now is probably Onegu/Sylencia, and I'm a bit lost on the third. I would say marv or sn0, relaly not sure.

I don't think Onegu is scum. He had his good post about Sno on N2 and when i was questioning him on his FT meta read the response i got in the end was really genuine.


Which post in particular? My general opinion of Onegu is that his play has been incredibly detatched.

I also do not think Sno is scum. I do not know what he would do with me if he was scum, but his stance on me seems like the same than when he is town.


Sn0 is my null-read right now. I'd need much more time with him.

Yamato needs to explain himself. Sylencia is a good lynch. Marv and Thrawn too. One of those guys is probably town and others are scum.


Agree on syl, not sold on Thrawn.

Marv's absence is troubling.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:42 GMT
#2031
Some nitpicking:

On September 05 2013 08:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:21 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:16 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 05 2013 08:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, yamato, rayn

I won't lynch any of them today.


Why the particularly strong feelings on Yamato?


As scum I think he'd be fucking off right about now. The way he's handling a situation where town is nearly fucked is very town-yamato-ish.


To play devil's advocate, he really hasn't been all that present in the thread all game.

Also, town-yamato-ish is much more active than what he's doing right now. In what ways does his specific behaviors point to his townie persona?


Him not being active is part of that read. As town I've seen him mess around until town is screwed, then come back to the thread acting as if he's going to be the one to solve the game.

Yeah the recent activity is not as much as I remember it being in past games, but overall his approach to the game feels much more like town than scum yamato, so much that he's not an acceptable D3 lynch.


So you have 3 unacceptable lynches (of which I believe you all think are town-reads), you yourself will maintain that you're town.

That probably leaves 3 scum of the next 4 players. Who's your scumteam? Or if that's too specific, who are you leaning strongest scum on? Who are you wavering the most on?


Yep, currently looking at marv, sno, onegu, and sylencia.

I really don't know who I'd pick as town from that group. I would be completely for lynching onegu had he not made that post about pms. I'm having trouble seeing why he would post that as mafia and I *might* say he's my most confident town read.


Explain please?

Syl I just haven't read in awhile. ...
I have yet to go through syl's stuff so I'll make a case on my top one or two lynch candidates after I've done that. Right now those are marv/sn0.


Get back to me on Syl.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:48 GMT
#2033
No, I mean where is that PM thing? I don't know what you're talking about
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 04 2013 23:52 GMT
#2035
On September 05 2013 08:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 23:24 Onegu wrote:
On September 02 2013 21:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:09 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2013 11:01 Tutankoopa wrote:
On September 01 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
Anything in particular you want to discuss right now while the rest of the thread seems to be afk?


onegu


TK, what are your thoughts on the claims by Debears and Rayn?

As for Onegu, I really don't understand your case against him. Onegu apparently thought FT was scum, and his explanation about it (having played a ton of games with a visibly different town FT) makes sense. What precludes Onegu from finding multiple players suspicious and voting his top scumread (FT)?

Hapahauli how does TK's case on Onegu make no sense? Being played with someone a lot does not make you good at meta-reading them. Onegu has never played in a game where FirmTofu has been mafia! That's like the basis of a meta-read. FirmTofu has been inactive before (see GoT). It does not make him mafia, yet Onegu suggests it is "nothing like FT's town games". Guess what, it's also nothing like his scumgame either..

That's why Onegu's "meta-read" makes zero sense. Why actually you do not understand TK's case on Onegu?



Ok I sent a PM to the hosts and syl (hope thats not illegal/cheating) if I could talk about FT in P4 when we talking about I have never seen his scum play, and since at the time he hadnt flipped and the game wasnt over they told me I couldnt. But now that the game is over I have seen FT play scum, it had no resemblence to this game, but my main point about his meta with me was I have seen him play lurky town in GoT and in that game he still made reads on people just not many, and when he came back he defended himself and posted his reads for his post death flip, he did none of those things this game. While sounding like a broken record, his meta wasnt the only reason I voted for him. His play and lack of interest was also scummy. He deserved to die and I would have done it again because he was playing scummy and against his meta.

The only thing I said to syl in the PM was can I talk about FT in persona, and his answer was no, the game is ongoing. Sorry if this is against the rules or cheating. I just wanted to know if I could talk about it.


right hurr


I can see getting townie-vibes from that, but nothign particularly robust. It's natural for anyone to talk about the subject (PM'ing the host about discussion of an ongoing game), especially if it pertains to your suspicions and defense of said suspicion after a mislynch.
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