On September 06 2013 00:29 infii wrote:
In my last bigger post I only focused on the guys with a low post count to get more information out of them, I don’t get why this was considered scummy... Unfortunately that didn’t work very well. Myrzeth even stated himself being a lurker. (wut?)
I think I will be able to post a quick summary on my reads and my vote shortly before the day ends.
For this approach I will analyse different cases instead of single people:
Case 1 – First discussion about lynching Day 1
Coming soon/when I have the time
Case 2 – Holyflare’s denial of posting reads early on
The main post:
Reactions from Umasi and my thoughts:
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Reactions from Blurry and my thoughts:
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First post addressing the topic in a considered manner. It is a valid point but applies more to after the first day than before, as holy mentioned shortly after.
Later on:
He is right on that point. However I consider his aggression fake (see above why). In that case it would mean the exact opposite, which puts also the relation of Blurry and Umasi in question. Is he defending him? Or is he just voicing his opinion?
Case 3 – The LV slipup
Coming soon/ when I have the time
Damn I’m running out of time here and won’t be able to finish it until I have to leave. So instead I’ll just post it unfinished and add the other cases on a later time when I can afford to write it. :/
I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments.
In my last bigger post I only focused on the guys with a low post count to get more information out of them, I don’t get why this was considered scummy... Unfortunately that didn’t work very well. Myrzeth even stated himself being a lurker. (wut?)
I think I will be able to post a quick summary on my reads and my vote shortly before the day ends.
For this approach I will analyse different cases instead of single people:
Case 1 – First discussion about lynching Day 1
Coming soon/when I have the time
Case 2 – Holyflare’s denial of posting reads early on
The main post:
Reactions from Umasi and my thoughts:
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First reply:
Umasi is over reacting here imo. Ok you finished one discussion and you don’t think there are other topics which could be discussed apart from reads and thoughts?
Instead you propose (indirectly) to speculate over subjective opinions for the next 40 hours? I don’t see that to be more productive or helpful for town.
Holy’s defense:
Next post:
Umasi even increasing his aggression and going totally over board. Holy never been against discussion as we know he played a big part in the first one (see above).
It looks like Umasi is desperately trying to find a reason to call Holy scummy and vote on him asap because if you read Holy’s root post and his defense it makes no sense to presume that Holy is against discussion.
The discussion goes back and forth in the same manner as above until:
Yes this discussion was pro town. But even though you try to phrase it in a positive way, this discussion sheds a scummy light on you Umasi because:
- Your reasoning about it being pro town is weak
- You could have explained your ‘vote behaviour’ beforehand to everyone. Now it just looks like an excuse
- You didn’t apply your ‘vote behaviour’ in the last game we played together at all
On September 04 2013 12:34 Umasi wrote:
Alright holyflare.
We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking
You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one
You didn't reveal your scum or town reads.
Why am I here again? What are we talking about?
moreover
didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them?
Alright holyflare.
We've beaten the subject of no lynching to death, which ended in you backtracking
You've told us that we shouldn't talk about town/scum reads day one
You didn't reveal your scum or town reads.
Why am I here again? What are we talking about?
moreover
didn't you have questions for me? Did you forget them/forget to ask them?
Umasi is over reacting here imo. Ok you finished one discussion and you don’t think there are other topics which could be discussed apart from reads and thoughts?
Instead you propose (indirectly) to speculate over subjective opinions for the next 40 hours? I don’t see that to be more productive or helpful for town.
Holy’s defense:
On September 04 2013 12:45 Holyflare wrote:
Totally just responded to Bereft that's why it's 'backtracked' or if you're implying I've changed my stance, I haven't. I'd like you to see what I wrote, It's just telling people that no-lynching is an option and it should be used within this game.
Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'...
As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore.
Totally just responded to Bereft that's why it's 'backtracked' or if you're implying I've changed my stance, I haven't. I'd like you to see what I wrote, It's just telling people that no-lynching is an option and it should be used within this game.
Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'...
As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore.
Next post:
On September 04 2013 13:02 Umasi wrote:
ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it.
I guess I was unclear.
let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner
Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda.
##VOTE HOLYFLARE
ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it.
I guess I was unclear.
let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner
Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda.
##VOTE HOLYFLARE
Umasi even increasing his aggression and going totally over board. Holy never been against discussion as we know he played a big part in the first one (see above).
It looks like Umasi is desperately trying to find a reason to call Holy scummy and vote on him asap because if you read Holy’s root post and his defense it makes no sense to presume that Holy is against discussion.
The discussion goes back and forth in the same manner as above until:
On September 04 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote:
##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now.
##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now.
Yes this discussion was pro town. But even though you try to phrase it in a positive way, this discussion sheds a scummy light on you Umasi because:
- Your reasoning about it being pro town is weak
- You could have explained your ‘vote behaviour’ beforehand to everyone. Now it just looks like an excuse
- You didn’t apply your ‘vote behaviour’ in the last game we played together at all
Reactions from Blurry and my thoughts:
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On September 04 2013 12:53 Blurry wrote:
The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion.
The reason you voice your suspicions is because it puts pressure on that person. When someone is under pressure they make mistakes and reveal things they shouldn't. Write about your hunches, it also allows us to see if you are innocent, and yes, when you are town you need to prove your innocence by providing good analysis and leading the discussion.
First post addressing the topic in a considered manner. It is a valid point but applies more to after the first day than before, as holy mentioned shortly after.
Later on:
On September 04 2013 13:38 Blurry wrote:
Two things:
Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed.
Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player.
It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now.
Two things:
Scum read in retaliation to him questioning you is pretty suspicious. You aren't helping your case with that, especially because your analysis is flawed.
Aggression at the start is in no way indicative of scum, and if anything, is more a town indicator than anything, especially when he is leading the charge against a player.
It is really risky for scum to be so direct because it draws so much attention to them. Umasi is probably my biggest town read for that reason right now.
He is right on that point. However I consider his aggression fake (see above why). In that case it would mean the exact opposite, which puts also the relation of Blurry and Umasi in question. Is he defending him? Or is he just voicing his opinion?
Case 3 – The LV slipup
Coming soon/ when I have the time
Damn I’m running out of time here and won’t be able to finish it until I have to leave. So instead I’ll just post it unfinished and add the other cases on a later time when I can afford to write it. :/
I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments.
Reads:
Umasi
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Had pretty neutral discussion with mostly holyflare about lynching day 1. Both sides had their valid points until + Show Spoiler +
On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
Nothing has changed, I will lynch the lurkiest player (unless obvious modkill) on the first night if I must. I was bringing up the situation of no lynches because this game had started with an even amount of players (normal mafia games are odd numbers of players) and so it is within our favour to at least no lynch once. Especially if our blue roles are favourable but even without. I've explained that in my previous post.
That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.
Nothing has changed, I will lynch the lurkiest player (unless obvious modkill) on the first night if I must. I was bringing up the situation of no lynches because this game had started with an even amount of players (normal mafia games are odd numbers of players) and so it is within our favour to at least no lynch once. Especially if our blue roles are favourable but even without. I've explained that in my previous post.
That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.
This is where his argumentation derailed a bit from my point of view. Like this post: + Show Spoiler +
On September 04 2013 13:02 Umasi wrote:
ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it.
I guess I was unclear.
let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner
Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda.
##VOTE HOLYFLARE
ended in you backtracking the fucking conversation, not you backtracking your stance on it.
I guess I was unclear.
let me phrase this differently and in a totally explicit manner
Holyflare, why are you against discussion? You helped get it going in the beginning, but you sure aren't anymore. In fact, it could be said that you are against discussion from occuring. That is blatantly scum agenda.
##VOTE HOLYFLARE
How can he claim holy to be against discussion when he said he won't tell his reads so early? Reads are just a topic under many you can discuss about.
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On September 04 2013 13:29 Umasi wrote:
on the one hand, you like it when they panic to create posts. On the other hand, you don't like it when they have to panic to create posts.
You don't like it when they can freely post and coordinate with their allies, but you need them to formulate the post for scum hunting.
By the same logic, holyflare, why are townies EVER mislynched? They have all the time in the world, etcetcetc.
on the one hand, you like it when they panic to create posts. On the other hand, you don't like it when they have to panic to create posts.
You don't like it when they can freely post and coordinate with their allies, but you need them to formulate the post for scum hunting.
By the same logic, holyflare, why are townies EVER mislynched? They have all the time in the world, etcetcetc.
His unvote, about 80mins after he voted holy, was weird, too.
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On September 04 2013 14:23 Umasi wrote:
##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now.
##UNVOTE HOLYFLARE
Do you think what I did was bad play? you can go to bed and address this when you wake up/whenever you want, I'm going to do homework.
tbth, this entire thing is pro-town since people will be able to talk about it, and it gives me more to go off of concerning you (and the people who comment about it), and possibly you more to go off of (regarding me and the people who comment), assuming you're town. If you're scum w.e.
For everyone, just a psa about me
I normally keep the person I think is the scummiest as my vote target, but since there are quite a few people I'm leery of, it rests on no one for now.
Why did he unvote him so fast? I would have liked to hear if holy actually freed himself from suspicion or if someone else rose in suspicion so he couldn't keep holy voted, according to his 'play'.
In the meantime LV's post-edit happened. After killer and ray jumped right onto him and LV defended himself, Umasi made his move: + Show Spoiler +
On September 05 2013 10:11 Umasi wrote:
CASE 6: LORD VELOCITY
the crime: edits and then asks for a few hours
The return, excuse, and fuck up. He returns, apologizes, and gives his reason.The issue? He said he'd brb in a FEW hours, and he was only gone for one and a HALF.
SOMEONES IN DEEP SHIT NOW
##VOTE LORD VELOCITY
That was a joke btw, I'm not actually voting velocity. I think it was a normal fuckup that town or scum could make, he obviously legitimately forgot the rules, and him posting like that is not scum motivated, obviously not town motivated, so it shouldn't be why you vote him. That said, if you have a reason for voting him that is based on something other than him accidentally posting, feel free! But killer/ray, it felt like you both voted him only because of that.
Holyflare, thank fucking god you finally posted something. This makes you significantly less scummy. As is, I gut lean towards heavenz, but I think both infii and heavenz are reasonable lynch choices. The third person I am considering is Pharcyd, because he points out the obvious mistake heavenz made and then NOTHING ELSE, but he falls under the lurking category atm. He and heavenz aren't scum together, probably. I don't mind ray and vel being around since they're active, I want bereft and blurry to come back since they had a single stint of activity, but they're not who I'd like to lynch.
out of heavenz, infii, and phar, heavenz is the one I want cleared up first.
##VOTE HEAVENZ
CASE 6: LORD VELOCITY
the crime: edits and then asks for a few hours
The return, excuse, and fuck up. He returns, apologizes, and gives his reason.The issue? He said he'd brb in a FEW hours, and he was only gone for one and a HALF.
SOMEONES IN DEEP SHIT NOW
##VOTE LORD VELOCITY
That was a joke btw, I'm not actually voting velocity. I think it was a normal fuckup that town or scum could make, he obviously legitimately forgot the rules, and him posting like that is not scum motivated, obviously not town motivated, so it shouldn't be why you vote him. That said, if you have a reason for voting him that is based on something other than him accidentally posting, feel free! But killer/ray, it felt like you both voted him only because of that.
Holyflare, thank fucking god you finally posted something. This makes you significantly less scummy. As is, I gut lean towards heavenz, but I think both infii and heavenz are reasonable lynch choices. The third person I am considering is Pharcyd, because he points out the obvious mistake heavenz made and then NOTHING ELSE, but he falls under the lurking category atm. He and heavenz aren't scum together, probably. I don't mind ray and vel being around since they're active, I want bereft and blurry to come back since they had a single stint of activity, but they're not who I'd like to lynch.
out of heavenz, infii, and phar, heavenz is the one I want cleared up first.
##VOTE HEAVENZ
I really like his reasoning about LV here, since I had the same feeling about it. Also his vote on heavenz lasted much longer than on holy. After heavenz defends himself somewhat decent, Umasi backs off.
If I compare his first 2 vote patterns there is a lot of discrepancy and I think that is because of fake aggressiveness against holy. It feels like Umasi had to play a role in the beginning which he was uncomfortable with. As soon as that ended he returned to his normal self.
His final vote on ray was reasonable, considering rays shitty defense...
He also prompted ray to spam reads, which we could consider after the lynch, if he flips town + Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 06:54 Umasi wrote:
If you're town, ray, at this point, where you are probably going to be lynched, this is my advice
SPAM READS.
this is your last chance.
If you're mafia, SPAM READS TO LOOK TOWNIE
if you're town, we can consider your reads
if you're mafia, we'll just ignore them.
If you're town, ray, at this point, where you are probably going to be lynched, this is my advice
SPAM READS.
this is your last chance.
If you're mafia, SPAM READS TO LOOK TOWNIE
if you're town, we can consider your reads
if you're mafia, we'll just ignore them.
Nothing really of importance happened after that. His vote on me was ok, since I wasn't able to write very much.
Conclusion
You can tell by reading his filter that he has some experience with this game. His posts were pretty consistent throughout the game, except during the time he voted holy. Which tends me to believe that a) umasi and holy are scum and started this game with a play or b) Umasi is scum and was voted by scum team to apply pressure on Holy.
Given Umasi's experience, a scenario where Umasi is town and fucks up like that is unlikely.
heavenz
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His first reads:
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On September 04 2013 15:26 heavenz wrote:
Umasi, is very aggressive, which is a townlike nature, but beeing aggressive on the first day with everyone just getting into isn't a big feat, so that reduces my town read of him at the moment, at least he called me out for my opening post, which was indeed worthless, and thought to be just a bit of a discussion starter before I went to bed (I didn't think the game would actually start yesterday).
However Pharcyd3 also jumped on me with 1 post, 1 line, calling me out and then leaving the thread. At least equally scummy to my opening post, even more so that he just followed Umasi. There need to come more indeed.
Lord Velocity, I don't have to quote here much as every post says: he doesn't like to get attention and tries to behave neutral / hide
Holyflare is just doing his thing, posting much, but the content is mostly contentless. As he said himself, he is holding back his informations.
Blurry good townread opening posts, focussing on the discussion.
Chairman Ray, suspicious, or just weird? What is this about...
Killerdog, started out with a strong town post, but then just keept summing Umasi's and Holyf.'s conversation up. I want to have more than you just repeating and summing up the last 5 posts.
most Scum: Lord Velocity, Pharcyd3, Chairman Ray, Holyflare (until he stops holding back, which I assume will be on day 1, then we'll see.)
most Town: Blurry, Killerdog, Umasi
Umasi, is very aggressive, which is a townlike nature, but beeing aggressive on the first day with everyone just getting into isn't a big feat, so that reduces my town read of him at the moment, at least he called me out for my opening post, which was indeed worthless, and thought to be just a bit of a discussion starter before I went to bed (I didn't think the game would actually start yesterday).
However Pharcyd3 also jumped on me with 1 post, 1 line, calling me out and then leaving the thread. At least equally scummy to my opening post, even more so that he just followed Umasi. There need to come more indeed.
Lord Velocity, I don't have to quote here much as every post says: he doesn't like to get attention and tries to behave neutral / hide
Holyflare is just doing his thing, posting much, but the content is mostly contentless. As he said himself, he is holding back his informations.
Blurry good townread opening posts, focussing on the discussion.
Chairman Ray, suspicious, or just weird? What is this about...
Killerdog, started out with a strong town post, but then just keept summing Umasi's and Holyf.'s conversation up. I want to have more than you just repeating and summing up the last 5 posts.
most Scum: Lord Velocity, Pharcyd3, Chairman Ray, Holyflare (until he stops holding back, which I assume will be on day 1, then we'll see.)
most Town: Blurry, Killerdog, Umasi
His next noteworthy + Show Spoiler +
On September 04 2013 23:32 heavenz wrote:
I know what you mean, it's my first game as well. You act overly defensive as soon as someone talks about you, that's suspecious because if you're town you have nothing to hide. Also it's not a shitty town when someone asks questions, it's the job. That you don't think about yourself as suspecious is nice, but it doesn't mean that the others think the same. You are also in no danger to be lynched as not a single person voted for you. So man up a bit!
I agree with you too, we should hear more opinions.
I know what you mean, it's my first game as well. You act overly defensive as soon as someone talks about you, that's suspecious because if you're town you have nothing to hide. Also it's not a shitty town when someone asks questions, it's the job. That you don't think about yourself as suspecious is nice, but it doesn't mean that the others think the same. You are also in no danger to be lynched as not a single person voted for you. So man up a bit!
I agree with you too, we should hear more opinions.
On September 04 2013 23:02 Lord Velocity wrote:
A lot of people have also seemed to jump on the "Umasi Holy pro town Velocity scum" but nobody has even thought that it could be just shitty town. And nobody has thought of if the "pro town" moves are just good mafia. I think I shoulndn't be lynched and we should hear from more people about reads on everybody before we misslynch and end up having no reads. Please. I do'nt think I'm suspicious, I answered one question and got words put in my mouth by Umasi so I think that could have something to my "suspiciousness" But think of it how you will. I don't think I should be the one to die though. I'm going to school, so I might post from there. Bye/brb
A lot of people have also seemed to jump on the "Umasi Holy pro town Velocity scum" but nobody has even thought that it could be just shitty town. And nobody has thought of if the "pro town" moves are just good mafia. I think I shoulndn't be lynched and we should hear from more people about reads on everybody before we misslynch and end up having no reads. Please. I do'nt think I'm suspicious, I answered one question and got words put in my mouth by Umasi so I think that could have something to my "suspiciousness" But think of it how you will. I don't think I should be the one to die though. I'm going to school, so I might post from there. Bye/brb
Going on with defending himself and some reads:
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On September 05 2013 17:58 heavenz wrote:
so firstly regarding me,
Umasis orignional opinion about me was :
then come Holyf. made me suspicious because I have him on my scum list but didn't press on.
My answere to that is that you're a) an active player b) you said you kept your reads to yourself for a given while
perhaps that was scum tactics to delay anything, but it sounded reasonable to me. I was just cuirous to see your reads on players, but I was expecting you to post them without me having to press them out of you (I am not sure I know how that works lol). Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening.
What is interesting is however is that usami jumps on your post regarding me, on brings it one step further and immidiatly votes me, regardless of me having sleeping at that time and no news. It smells like a follow move, have you finally established total dominance?
He's falling in love with your analysis.
We have to give credit were credit is due, you weren't the first to go on me, his gut feeling can be explained as such:
True though is that the most charismatic player (Holyf) and the most aggressive player (Umasi) seem to dislike I.
So how can I defend my entrance post, it's not possible anymore, it was written. I adore roleplaying, and was surprise how I was shut down... we are agents after all, are we not... wtf. what ever.
ok continue with Bereft jumping following umasi on me, and make me look suspicious for
a) calling out the weird ray QT post
I saw that you asked, but I didn't really understand what it meant, so I hoped for a better explanation.
b)
the truth is, you're to complex for me to understand.
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I don't understand anything.
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This was not my reacting, even though I posted in the same way as you. I expected Holyf. to give reads before the night.
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hm. well. if we're just going to chat and make small talk ... i have to admit i'm no longer browsing that other newbie game for "meta" -- but for pure lulz. Alakaslam and iVLosK! sooo good. so many gems. i'd probably have kept alakaslam alive just for the banter.
hahah but seriously if we're just going to talk about inconsequential shit, what's the point?
also infii, killerdog, myrzeth, pharcyd3, where you guys at?
Some "meta" stuff I don't understand. Calling out afk's, reasonable.
At write a 1 or 2 liner to everyplayer, without any actualy content or further explanations.
I can come to a conclusion,
likewise.
Regarding Lord Velocity I will say this, Umasi seems to belive he's town, and interpreting every word he says as a town newby mistake. In fact Lord Velocity seems to panic under pressure but bold after he felt Umasi shielding him. This could mean some things, either Lord Velocity is playing a wicked sick good noob, or he indeed is a town that can't deal with pressure for what eer reasons. We will see. (Lord V don't take this post attack right now :D, at the moment I am almost convinced, that edit thing was way over the top lol).
Regarding Holyf.
I am actually dissapointed by his analysis. He was given time without pressure, and all he comes up with is heavenz ain't much town coz his idle post sucks. Deep man.
You have some backstory on Infis we couldn't know and you play it out. Regarding Infis it's hard to have a opinion, coz his town play is very casual, I appreciate your efford to suspect him, as I appreciate your efford to suspect me, but I am still hoping for more.
I wrote you as scum because I don't see the purpose of most of your post yesterday. You were arguing about things I don't acknowldge as relating to the game, and give some smartass advice. Yes you played before, I get it.
you posted too much, but your typical day1 post looked like this
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glad you changed your mind.
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I find it ridiculous that people can post pages about lurker lynching, their ideas on what people are doing that is town and not town but when I post it then what? It's "let's stop talking about policy bla bla"..... calm down, i'm redirecting conversation to more applicable topics rather than what is going on which is a lot more helpful than shitting all over the post.
policies... what the fuck
then comes your 1 post, the one single post that has actual (this) game concerning content, in which you finally give some of your long waited reads. You come up with your background story on infi which makes him look more scummy and that regard me, that is all? You're trying to establish a pole position in this town without *actually* giving much? I think you're underestimating noobs,.. or not. I'll keep an eye on you.
so firstly regarding me,
Umasis orignional opinion about me was :
then come Holyf. made me suspicious because I have him on my scum list but didn't press on.
My answere to that is that you're a) an active player b) you said you kept your reads to yourself for a given while
perhaps that was scum tactics to delay anything, but it sounded reasonable to me. I was just cuirous to see your reads on players, but I was expecting you to post them without me having to press them out of you (I am not sure I know how that works lol). Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening.
What is interesting is however is that usami jumps on your post regarding me, on brings it one step further and immidiatly votes me, regardless of me having sleeping at that time and no news. It smells like a follow move, have you finally established total dominance?
He's falling in love with your analysis.
We have to give credit were credit is due, you weren't the first to go on me, his gut feeling can be explained as such:
True though is that the most charismatic player (Holyf) and the most aggressive player (Umasi) seem to dislike I.
So how can I defend my entrance post, it's not possible anymore, it was written. I adore roleplaying, and was surprise how I was shut down... we are agents after all, are we not... wtf. what ever.
ok continue with Bereft jumping following umasi on me, and make me look suspicious for
a) calling out the weird ray QT post
I saw that you asked, but I didn't really understand what it meant, so I hoped for a better explanation.
b)
the truth is, you're to complex for me to understand.
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@holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc.
i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not:
on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out.
on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol.
i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not:
on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out.
on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol.
I don't understand anything.
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On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote:
That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.
hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands.
(yours...maybe?)
That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time.
hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands.
(yours...maybe?)
This was not my reacting, even though I posted in the same way as you. I expected Holyf. to give reads before the night.
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hm. well. if we're just going to chat and make small talk ... i have to admit i'm no longer browsing that other newbie game for "meta" -- but for pure lulz. Alakaslam and iVLosK! sooo good. so many gems. i'd probably have kept alakaslam alive just for the banter.
hahah but seriously if we're just going to talk about inconsequential shit, what's the point?
also infii, killerdog, myrzeth, pharcyd3, where you guys at?
Some "meta" stuff I don't understand. Calling out afk's, reasonable.
At write a 1 or 2 liner to everyplayer, without any actualy content or further explanations.
I can come to a conclusion,
likewise.
Regarding Lord Velocity I will say this, Umasi seems to belive he's town, and interpreting every word he says as a town newby mistake. In fact Lord Velocity seems to panic under pressure but bold after he felt Umasi shielding him. This could mean some things, either Lord Velocity is playing a wicked sick good noob, or he indeed is a town that can't deal with pressure for what eer reasons. We will see. (Lord V don't take this post attack right now :D, at the moment I am almost convinced, that edit thing was way over the top lol).
Regarding Holyf.
I am actually dissapointed by his analysis. He was given time without pressure, and all he comes up with is heavenz ain't much town coz his idle post sucks. Deep man.
You have some backstory on Infis we couldn't know and you play it out. Regarding Infis it's hard to have a opinion, coz his town play is very casual, I appreciate your efford to suspect him, as I appreciate your efford to suspect me, but I am still hoping for more.
I wrote you as scum because I don't see the purpose of most of your post yesterday. You were arguing about things I don't acknowldge as relating to the game, and give some smartass advice. Yes you played before, I get it.
you posted too much, but your typical day1 post looked like this
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Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'...
As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore.
As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore.
glad you changed your mind.
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I find it ridiculous that people can post pages about lurker lynching, their ideas on what people are doing that is town and not town but when I post it then what? It's "let's stop talking about policy bla bla"..... calm down, i'm redirecting conversation to more applicable topics rather than what is going on which is a lot more helpful than shitting all over the post.
policies... what the fuck
then comes your 1 post, the one single post that has actual (this) game concerning content, in which you finally give some of your long waited reads. You come up with your background story on infi which makes him look more scummy and that regard me, that is all? You're trying to establish a pole position in this town without *actually* giving much? I think you're underestimating noobs,.. or not. I'll keep an eye on you.
Apart from the defense he doesn't say much and only attacks holy. That combined with the lack of focusing on other people looks a bit scummy to me.
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On September 06 2013 06:47 heavenz wrote:
##vote Blurry
he's a worse version of myRZeth.
Everything you do is so smothe, totally neutral. You're not giving in anywhere, dispite, I belive you could. You acknowldge your neutrality and think you can just pass by it. A little suspecious on VL there, but not commiting (lol just by what he's writing he's suspicious as f´´k). I don't trust you, and I value Rays's work more. I have made a longer case where I went through your posts before.
##vote Blurry
he's a worse version of myRZeth.
Everything you do is so smothe, totally neutral. You're not giving in anywhere, dispite, I belive you could. You acknowldge your neutrality and think you can just pass by it. A little suspecious on VL there, but not commiting (lol just by what he's writing he's suspicious as f´´k). I don't trust you, and I value Rays's work more. I have made a longer case where I went through your posts before.
I don't agree that Blurry was 100% neutral, but how can he be a worse version of myrzeth? It should be the other way around, myrzeth is the worse version of blurry. More explanation: + Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 06:55 heavenz wrote:
It's not hard to see, both try to accomplish the same thing: staying undercover. mrzeth used the way that works in sc2 mafia and Blurry tries to use a way that feints townmanship in this game.
Just look at his posts, am I the only one seeing this? Ray makes spectacular moves and get's voted on (mind after he got voted on he makes such!) Blurry just "yeah I am neutral, what ya gonna do bout it". It's my first game, but this seems to me very suspecious, he made not a single case against someone he just wants to slip by, my feeling this indicates mafia closeness.
I hate follow a leader lol. Holyf. yeah, explain this ray thing to me.
It's not hard to see, both try to accomplish the same thing: staying undercover. mrzeth used the way that works in sc2 mafia and Blurry tries to use a way that feints townmanship in this game.
Just look at his posts, am I the only one seeing this? Ray makes spectacular moves and get's voted on (mind after he got voted on he makes such!) Blurry just "yeah I am neutral, what ya gonna do bout it". It's my first game, but this seems to me very suspecious, he made not a single case against someone he just wants to slip by, my feeling this indicates mafia closeness.
I hate follow a leader lol. Holyf. yeah, explain this ray thing to me.
Apart from the neutral claim, Blurry at least contributed. However I think he saw that lynching Blurry wasn't gonna happen so he switched to myrzeth 10mins later.
Conclusion
I like that he is making his own judgements and question the motive of others before committing to something. He committed wrongly on Blurry but that makes him even more towny to me.
There is only one possibility in which heavenz can be scum and that is him purposely committing to Blurry to NK him afterwards so that he looks town. Though I feel the odds for this are small.
From the things he posted he is pretty much town and honestly I don't believe he could pull of such a bold play as newbie scum.
killerdog
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Acting pretty neutral in the beginning, mostly summarizing the events. Made a good post + Show Spoiler +
On September 04 2013 14:21 killerdog wrote:
One very last thing, Umasi and Holyflare, if you don't resolve this within a page or two, just drop it. Everyone has noticed that Holyflare said two things which appear to go against each other a bit, but you two are by far the most vocal people so far in the thread, both of you have said a ton of things already, and this argument is just stalling the discussion now.
Having the two most vocal people crash into each other immediately just means that the other 10 players can get away with not saying anything SUPER easily, and the aim day 1 is to get as much information on as many people as possible. It's been noted that Umasi has been tunelling hard on Holyflare, and it's been noted that Holyflare has mentioned several other topics of discussion which have been brought up in the meantime.
I doubt Holyflare is going to suddenly crack at this point, and I doubt anything Holyflare says will fully satisfy Umasi. By all means try and settle this if you can, but I feel it would be much more pro town to note down that this happened, maybe revisit it at a later date, and focus on getting as many people to talk about as many things as possible.
It just feels like all potential discussion topics (including the questioning of velocity) was brought in the last few pages have ended up being ignored because of this really early vote call/interrogation.
One very last thing, Umasi and Holyflare, if you don't resolve this within a page or two, just drop it. Everyone has noticed that Holyflare said two things which appear to go against each other a bit, but you two are by far the most vocal people so far in the thread, both of you have said a ton of things already, and this argument is just stalling the discussion now.
Having the two most vocal people crash into each other immediately just means that the other 10 players can get away with not saying anything SUPER easily, and the aim day 1 is to get as much information on as many people as possible. It's been noted that Umasi has been tunelling hard on Holyflare, and it's been noted that Holyflare has mentioned several other topics of discussion which have been brought up in the meantime.
I doubt Holyflare is going to suddenly crack at this point, and I doubt anything Holyflare says will fully satisfy Umasi. By all means try and settle this if you can, but I feel it would be much more pro town to note down that this happened, maybe revisit it at a later date, and focus on getting as many people to talk about as many things as possible.
It just feels like all potential discussion topics (including the questioning of velocity) was brought in the last few pages have ended up being ignored because of this really early vote call/interrogation.
He did some write-ups in which he summarized the situation and gave his thoughts, but they are neutral at best and not very useful. His vote on LV to obtain information was ok though.
I found that his useful posts were the shorter ones most of the time. Like this one. + Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 00:30 killerdog wrote:
I thought I sort of did that in the long post I made while ago, but it might have been a bit hard to find because the post got a bit bloated :p
I'll just put players in an abridged list of reads, in vague town to mafia order
Town-
Killerdog: (fuck yeah)
Umasi: + Show Spoiler +
Blurry: + Show Spoiler +
Holyflare: + Show Spoiler +
it gets a bit fuzzier here
Lord Velocity: + Show Spoiler +
Bereft: + Show Spoiler +
Lonemeow: + Show Spoiler +
Heavenz: + Show Spoiler +
Infii: + Show Spoiler +
Chairman ray: + Show Spoiler +
Pharcyd3: + Show Spoiler +
myrzeth: + Show Spoiler +
I thought I sort of did that in the long post I made while ago, but it might have been a bit hard to find because the post got a bit bloated :p
I'll just put players in an abridged list of reads, in vague town to mafia order
Town-
Killerdog: (fuck yeah)
Umasi: + Show Spoiler +
Currently town read, hasn't been as much as some people, but the the posts he did make all seemed to serve a purpose, and I feel like he's been consistent in calling out behaviour he disagrees with. Also amde a few good town guiding posts. As the game progresses I'd hope for a little more reads/pressure coming from him, but he's definitely not what I'd call n1 lynch potential at all.
Blurry: + Show Spoiler +
I got a very town read off blurry, for reasons I said last post. However he's provided no content (other then a "good post tomorrow" promise) in the last 36 or so hours. I'm keeping him high on my town list under the assumption that he's going to make a really good town post in the next few hours, if he doesn't post, or just parrots some other opinions then he's going quite far down the list very quickly. Don't feel like he'd be a good n1 lynch just because I'm loath to abandon someone who read so town at start, but if he doesn't have a reason for vanishing or if he posts nothing of value before the voting deadline I'll reassess.
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Holyflare's been very very active, even if a lot of the posts have been a bit fulffy with regards to relevant content. I felt like he spent most of day 1 arguing about how "mafia should be played" rather then actually playing it, which can read as scum given how he didn't want any associations thrown on him, but he god into three arguments really quickly with blurry, bereft and Umasi and didn't back down from any of them (to the point where Umasi voted him.) I feel that's a point in his favour as town, because it would take a very brave mafia to be willing to thrust himself into the limelight that quickly. He's also made two decent posts since the, one calling out heavenz and infii for their relative lack of content. While ragging on people who haven't been very productive is by no means enough to put you as a pure town read, I liked his posts, and unless he suddenly locks up would like to keep him around.
Worth noting is that I think having at this stage in the game, I voting off a vocal player who might be a bit scummy is a worse play then voting off someone who has contributed nothing. We really don't want to punish contributing, and potentially end up on day 3 or 4 with a few players who have yet to commit to anything, and have all the people we've pushed hard (and have lots of post to reference and analyse) be dead.
Worth noting is that I think having at this stage in the game, I voting off a vocal player who might be a bit scummy is a worse play then voting off someone who has contributed nothing. We really don't want to punish contributing, and potentially end up on day 3 or 4 with a few players who have yet to commit to anything, and have all the people we've pushed hard (and have lots of post to reference and analyse) be dead.
it gets a bit fuzzier here
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It feels a bit like he wears his heart on his sleeve, he goes super from a little pressure, then with a little reassurance goes super starts posting normally, then goes super defensive/apologetic from some more pressure, then a little reassurance and he's back to posting normally, even being willing to knock other people for being suspicious of him because he feels he's been cleared. I don't think a mafia would be this confident in towns opinion of him, and would be a little more wary given how many times he's been under heavy suspicion. I also like that he's actively posting and engaging in discussion. Again, I really don't see him as a n1 lynch candidate right now, just because he's active, unafraid despite already having been under the gun twice, and as I said in holyflares area. Even if someone is reading a bit scummy, as long as they're active and contributing I'd rather lynch someone who's being super non-committal on the first day or 2. I get that that some people might disagree with that statement but if they do then I'd ask that we have that discussion day 2 rather then now, as we have only got 9 hours left to decide on a lynch, and I'd rather leave "meta policy" discussions or whatever until we've decided on a lynch for tonight.
Bereft: + Show Spoiler +
Honestly have no idea what to do with him right now, he argued with holyflare early on, then made a post about another game being funny and vanished. It feels like he didn't re-read the thread closely enough on returning or something, but he was making some accusations/quoting things out of context which didn't really make sense at the time he got back. He's not been afraid to give opinions on multiple people though, and I wouldn't mind keeping him around as long as he posts more/says more. If he keeps vanishing then coming back and quoting things out of context he's gonna go down the list pretty fast.
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Have trouble getting a read right now, doesn't have very many posts, but he's asking questions when he see's things which don't make sense to him and is giving his opinion on things. While he's part of the trio of inii/heavenz/lonemeow who I feel have been a little sparse with regards to putting their foot down, and would like to see a bit more pressure applied towards him, I feel out of those three he's been asking questions indiscriminatingly which puts him above the other two for now..
Heavenz: + Show Spoiler +
Same boat as lonemeow right now, he moans about inactives but has a grand total of 6 posts, only two of which contained actual analysis. While his longest post isn't poorly written and contains some decent insight, but is a bit sparse with actual reads (only clear read is him saying velocity is town), 2 or 3 good points isn't really much to your name after almost 48 hours of play. Personally I don't think he's a good n1 lynch, because he's shown the potential for decent analytical posts, and is willing to throw suspicion on people, however if he doesn't start posting more regurarly and being a bit clearer with what he thinks things actually mean then he's not going any higher on my list.
Infii: + Show Spoiler +
Hasn't posted much at all, he promised a big post today, and based on that he'll either go up in the list or stay here, I'll probably make my decision on whether he feels like a valid day 1 lynch or not based off that.
Chairman ray: + Show Spoiler +
Said he was working on his scum reads but hasn't mentioned *anyone* except holyflare and umasi, where are you reads? Also jumped really hard on Lord Velocity, I know I did too but I've explained my reasoning, and I'm curious what Ray's is. Hasn't really done anything except say things about holyflare and umasi, who aren't really relevant (imo) with regards to the day1 lynch, and has shown no signs of changing, He's probably the non afk player I would be most willing to lynch at this point.
Pharcyd3: + Show Spoiler +
afk-ed, probably gonna get mod killed
myrzeth: + Show Spoiler +
claims he's been active but hasn't posted shit. That means he's read all our posts saying he needs to come out and hasn't done anything. This isn't a game where everyone does their own thing in a corner, it's a game where town has to work together, not sure if he's really bad town, creative mafia, or trolling but he's my current #1 lynch
Up until the lynch came closer killerdog looked like solid town. But the most confusing to me is his voting logic. He voted myrzeth because he was listed as his biggest scum read in his list above. He also said several times, that he is leaning more towards lynching myrzeth + Show Spoiler +
On September 06 2013 05:11 killerdog wrote:
Given how little he's posted so far, I think any attempt to work out what role he is is just going to be speculation. Blurry has made the argument that he's not mafia because mafia would have defended themselves by now. I disagree strongly with supporting that view point because not only does it discourage him from posting, but reading a lack of contribution as townie is pretty just getting a bit WIFOM imo. (did I use it right? :p)
I also don't like that blurry brought that up so quickly, that's a valid point to make if we get to 30 minutes before the deadline and he still hasn't posted or something, but bringing it up so early before myrzeth has proven that he isn't going to defend himself further just complicates everything imo. No reason to provide someone under pressure with an out.
Personally I'm in no way convinced that he's scum. I think it comes down to a choice between lynching myrzeth because he's lurking/being useless or lynching someone else who we think reads scummy.
Personally I'm leaning towards lynching myrzeth, because from the way he responded to people challenging his silence, and the fact he still hasn't come in with a post bigger then a one liner, means I don't think he's going to suddenly be super contributive tomorrow. I'd rather not have to spend half a day arguing with someone about play styles again, or even worse have him just dissappear and then being in a situation day 2 where there might be a strong mafia read we want to lynch, but having to choose between lynching the afk lurker or the mafia read. And if he turns out to be mafia thats just a perk.
Given how little he's posted so far, I think any attempt to work out what role he is is just going to be speculation. Blurry has made the argument that he's not mafia because mafia would have defended themselves by now. I disagree strongly with supporting that view point because not only does it discourage him from posting, but reading a lack of contribution as townie is pretty just getting a bit WIFOM imo. (did I use it right? :p)
I also don't like that blurry brought that up so quickly, that's a valid point to make if we get to 30 minutes before the deadline and he still hasn't posted or something, but bringing it up so early before myrzeth has proven that he isn't going to defend himself further just complicates everything imo. No reason to provide someone under pressure with an out.
Personally I'm in no way convinced that he's scum. I think it comes down to a choice between lynching myrzeth because he's lurking/being useless or lynching someone else who we think reads scummy.
Personally I'm leaning towards lynching myrzeth, because from the way he responded to people challenging his silence, and the fact he still hasn't come in with a post bigger then a one liner, means I don't think he's going to suddenly be super contributive tomorrow. I'd rather not have to spend half a day arguing with someone about play styles again, or even worse have him just dissappear and then being in a situation day 2 where there might be a strong mafia read we want to lynch, but having to choose between lynching the afk lurker or the mafia read. And if he turns out to be mafia thats just a perk.
On September 06 2013 05:19 killerdog wrote:
That post was a bit longer then i meant it to get, but basically I see our choice right now as being,
1. lynch myrzeth for shitty town play (and if we get lucky and hit a mafia, yay win)
2. lynch someone as a scum read, the a few people are pushing for LV in particular. I also think chairman ray has been a bit suspicious compared to other people, but I've seen a few people put him down as one of their town reads so thats moved him (temporarily) down on my scum list.
3. lynch someone else for shitty town play, but I don't see anyone else as anywhere near as potentially useless at myrzeth seems to be looking.
That post was a bit longer then i meant it to get, but basically I see our choice right now as being,
1. lynch myrzeth for shitty town play (and if we get lucky and hit a mafia, yay win)
2. lynch someone as a scum read, the a few people are pushing for LV in particular. I also think chairman ray has been a bit suspicious compared to other people, but I've seen a few people put him down as one of their town reads so thats moved him (temporarily) down on my scum list.
3. lynch someone else for shitty town play, but I don't see anyone else as anywhere near as potentially useless at myrzeth seems to be looking.
On September 06 2013 06:33 killerdog wrote:
I really don't like letting myr live til day 2, but hopefully he'll start playing the game tomorrow. We wont lose from a second mislynch (if ray is town) so I guess it's not the end of the world if we have to kill myr off tomorrow for still being afk.
##vote chairman ray
I really don't like letting myr live til day 2, but hopefully he'll start playing the game tomorrow. We wont lose from a second mislynch (if ray is town) so I guess it's not the end of the world if we have to kill myr off tomorrow for still being afk.
##vote chairman ray
I'd rather not have to spend half a day arguing with someone about play styles again, or even worse have him just dissappear and then being in a situation day 2 where there might be a strong mafia read we want to lynch, but having to choose between lynching the afk lurker or the mafia read.
He explains the situation in + Show Spoiler +
On September 08 2013 13:26 killerdog wrote:
First of all, it's worth noting that almost an hour and a half had passed between the two posts, and a lot of stuff had been said by various people in that time. I've talked a little about how my perception of the night went in the post above, but basically I was getting the feeling that a lot of people weren't behind the idea of lynching myrzeth. At the time I switched votes, I believe there was only one other guy on him. Infii, heavenz and ray all put their votes on him after that. Given that other then myrzeth, the two people in the limelight were LV and ray.
I'd personally voiced why i didn't want to kill LV, and at this point my read on the situation was myrzeth wasn't gonna get lynched, (velocity was the only other guy on him iirc.) Therefore, given the choice between someone I felt "against" lynching, and someone I was rather suspicious of myself, you can see why I would lean towards ray.
I decided that, as you were my main town read at the time, and had yet to go on velocity at all this game (other then the pressure at the very start,) I'd ask you for your reads on velocity and ray.
You ended up not responding to the asked for read on velocity, but instead went onto ray with a vote. Given that I was leaning that way already, that was just the final straw which pushed me over the edge. When I found out myrzeth had switched his vote and people were piling votes onto myrzeth again, I very nearly switched back, but ended up making the snap decision to stay on ray.
6 am, I'm in denmark. But i have priorities :p
First of all, it's worth noting that almost an hour and a half had passed between the two posts, and a lot of stuff had been said by various people in that time. I've talked a little about how my perception of the night went in the post above, but basically I was getting the feeling that a lot of people weren't behind the idea of lynching myrzeth. At the time I switched votes, I believe there was only one other guy on him. Infii, heavenz and ray all put their votes on him after that. Given that other then myrzeth, the two people in the limelight were LV and ray.
I'd personally voiced why i didn't want to kill LV, and at this point my read on the situation was myrzeth wasn't gonna get lynched, (velocity was the only other guy on him iirc.) Therefore, given the choice between someone I felt "against" lynching, and someone I was rather suspicious of myself, you can see why I would lean towards ray.
I decided that, as you were my main town read at the time, and had yet to go on velocity at all this game (other then the pressure at the very start,) I'd ask you for your reads on velocity and ray.
You ended up not responding to the asked for read on velocity, but instead went onto ray with a vote. Given that I was leaning that way already, that was just the final straw which pushed me over the edge. When I found out myrzeth had switched his vote and people were piling votes onto myrzeth again, I very nearly switched back, but ended up making the snap decision to stay on ray.
6 am, I'm in denmark. But i have priorities :p
Conclusion
Town with some flaws.