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On August 21 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright yeah it seems to fit his drunkposting fiasco in Ego---no particular rhyme or reason behind it. Aaaaanyway, now that I have you here FT, who is scum? I just reread you and you came up with a bunch of reads---who is your primary scumread and why? | ||
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I could lynch Onegu atm. I should probably read into some of the players I haven't looked at yet like Rainbows (who I know is a competent player). FT who is your PRIMARY scumread? That is, who do you want to lynch tomorrow? And what meta tells you that Geript and Vayne are scum? I don't see how either of them have really posted enough tot ell you anything. | ||
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On August 21 2013 11:45 DarthPunk wrote: What the hell is happening to rayn? See Ego and apparently Titanic? He's probably drunk. | ||
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I don't think I'm seeing what you see though. | ||
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In the meantime since Geript so nicely brought up that my 'let's not talk N0' post was bullshit, guess what? It was. I didn't really have much of an overarching plan going into that post but I did want to see how various people reacted to it. Geript brings up a good point about Crazy---problem is he's apparently new (at least to TL, I don't know about mafia in general). Fuba sees right through me though, and I fucking love playing with this guy. On August 21 2013 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: @WoS: I assume you're implying that you breadcrumbed something about your role (which I would presume is veteran, due to the emphasis on rayn wanting a shot used on you), and you believe rayn found it and is trying to take advantage of that situation to get rid of a vig shot (if there is one), the veteran (if you are it), and your usual town play in one night. I guess you could be any blue role in this situation, but since you emphasized rayn wanting you shot (as opposed to lynched tomorrow) I guessed veteran. I probably overlooked something, but I try (with limited success) to not speculate on things I have no way of knowing. Hot/cold? What are your thoughts on Rainbows? He's sort of got the thought process right, though with a few details that are wrong. First of all I didn't breadcrumb anything: I will claim right here. I am sadly but a simple VT. My play though certainly looked like blue play, wouldn't you say? As a blue I certainly don't want to draw attention to myself on the first night so I can put whatever ability I've got to good use---I suppose in that way you could call my 'not talking at night' post a breadcrumb, albeit a fake one. I make my post and the thread direction abruptly changes---Rayn begins to incessantly push me from that point on. On August 20 2013 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, seriously. Why did you suggest that we should not talk? Why are you avoiding the question? I can clearly show from your filter in CCM that you did start scumhunting on N0 when hosts told you also roles can start acting then. You clearly thought you were wrong and staerted acting in the correct manner as town. Why are you proposing the same anti-town idea here again? Just answer me and do not run in circles around the question. I have no good read on Koshi yet. Why am I avoiding the question? Not only do I not want to reveal my mini-gambit this early as it is generating good discussion (and not only do I doubt a tunnely Rayn would even bother to believe me at this point since it is apparent in thread that he has 'found scum'), but I don't want to explain it's because I as a 'blue' do not want my identity revealed. Now Rayn is a smart player. He knows something is up obviously. The thing is, what he is doing? It's scum bluefishing. Not scumhunting. This is exactly why he calls for a vig shot---if he can paint the blue towny as scum then the scumteam doesn't even have to waste a shot. If I'm vet they can RB me and I'll die as well. Have doubts that he is scum simply bluefishing under the guise of tunnel town? On August 21 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: If WoS claims something shoot him regardless. That does not make him town. I have no blue role to claim but he has already thought ahead of time that I will attempt to use it to get myself out long before it is necessary. He knows exactly what I was thinking with my earlier comment. His joke of a case (which basically amounts to me being mad at me for not answering him lolol) is a sham to hide the fact that he expected me to defend myself with the defense he listed at the bottom of his case, when in fact that is an absolutely shit defense and he would have very likely called me out on it for such. On August 21 2013 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is why WaveofShadow is mafia: This is one of the first posts from him in CCM: (Here is a link to the post for the following: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=407685¤tpage=11#210 ) After that, when hosts confirm that roles can also act on N0, WoS retracts from his stance and starts scumhunting. If you read the game from that point on it can clearly be seen. This is what i call WoS out for: WoS does not want to answer me, he keeps dodging the question, and this is all i get out of him: Look at the answer. He is saying "look, i am playing to my town meta as i played the same way in CCM". The answer i was looking for (in case he was town was in this post (from CCM): This is a perfectly fine explanation for his behaviour. Why does he not say that here, in this game? Why is he not trying to explain why town!WoS would bring that "let's not talk on N0" stuff again? Answer is: - Because he is mafia and he is trying to play the "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game". - He didn't even think of needing to have an explanation because of "look, i played similarly in the other same-a-like game" would be enough. - If he was town he could, should and would explain himself. Lynch D1. Or better, vig N0. Why would I use the exact same explanation for a bad post in a second game when he himself says he expects that I should have learned from the first time I did it? Ridiculous. Another point I have already stated earlier---the way he was playing when he stated he was going to ignore me and everything I say because I didn't take him up on the chances he gave me---is that good town play in any way? The post is a little disjointed but everything in here points to Rayn scum. Discuss accordingly, especially those of you who view Rayn to be town. DP I'm looking at you. | ||
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On August 21 2013 12:37 kushm4sta wrote: k im done reading! I want to lynch either FIRMTOFU or ONEGU FT all he has done really is made this post: basically he is saying everyone is sort of scummy for vague meta reasons. ok ONEGU I want to lynch him for his constant regurgitation of thread sentiment. He never expresses any idea that has not already been expressed. GUIZ HE'S WATCHING HIS SICK KID! like that is some sort of excuse? That means you should have more free time not less. Sick kid you sit them in front of the TV or something gg. Yeah Kush...he legitimately has a very ill child in his care. He is constantly in and out of hospital both for himself and for his kid. His excuse is not alignment indicative in my opinion (no room for dick move analysis imo because of the way it was used). | ||
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On August 21 2013 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote: nah lets lynch sn0 dude. Not rayn, not WoS. WoS, rayn not picking up on your gambit doesnt make him scum. As you can see, I was also not too happy that you were not answering questions about that post. So am I scum too? Except did you assume I was scum simply because I didn't want to answer questions about it? I honestly don't see what is scum-aligned about that in the slightest and Rayn KNOWS that. | ||
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On August 21 2013 12:52 VayneAuthority wrote: The only other time WoS played all trolly like this and tried to go for big plays was when he was survivor so that honestly only solidifies my 3rd party read on him =/ Uh...what big plays did I go for in Basterd? If you recall that game, my hand was essentially forced in everything I did. Massclaim meant I had to use the only fakeclaim provided to me. Come on Vayne, I thought you were starting to be useful. I really liked your last post. | ||
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I will get to Sn0 before I go to bed as I won't be around for deadline in the morning. | ||
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How are those two things the same thing at all? He is calling me SCUM. I didn't call you scum necessarily I just wanted you gone because you weren't doing shit. Show me how I wasn't doing shit all day just because I didn't want to answer his measly questions. Please. | ||
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On August 21 2013 14:49 kushm4sta wrote: @mkfuba why would you write that wall of text (tldr btw) about your townreads... i want to know who you think is scum and why lol and you wonder why I want you policy shot/lynched. How in any way are you ever a useful member of a town? | ||
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Rayn are we done here? I will not be shitting up the thread with you today; there are far more important things to be done. Not going to vote you either; I believe yamato/fuba/oats may have the right of it. I fell asleep before I could properly look into Sn0_man, sorry. It seems him and Rainbows may be the candidates for today? | ||
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Especially since you stated yesterday you were done talking to me, am I right? | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are not giving me a chance to try to get a better read on you (which in your opinion should be beneficial to town, if you are town)? I am not killing discussion. I am trying to promote it by saying someone should bring up another suspect if they feel like you are not the best lynch. You're right about that. Fine, but I am not discussing or defending myself from you all day, I promise you that. I'm still in the middle of reading Sn0_Man. The reason I brought up CCM is because I brought up 'no-talk' in there once early in the game and then didn't dwell on it after that. I fully planned on doing the exact same thing here but for different reasons (the ones I mentioned in my case)---I can honestly say I didn't expect to draw the 'AMG WAVE IS SCUM' attention I got from you right off the bat, and knowing you are a smart guy I figured if you were town you'd pick up on the fact that it was simply to get discussion going and see how people would react. If you look at how I reacted when you were grilling me incessantly, I was constantly trying to throw you off of me because I felt like you were ruining what I was attempting to do at the time. I don't feel like that makes sense to do as scum as it becomes incredibly obvious, but take that as you will. As far as being 'worried' about your threats of tunneling me if I don't answer you---I don't respond to threats. Ever. I didn't care then and I still don't care if you push me all day but I DO care if it's to the detriment of town (especially if you turn out to be scum which I at one point believed). Listen Rayn go ahead and believe what you want about me referring to me CCM meta but if you remember correctly I was blue in CCM 'too' and was trying to bring across the same line of 'blue-thinking.' I REALLY figured you would pick up on this and when you stuck with it constantly and then even brought up me claiming to 'save myself' specifically in thread it set off HUGE alarm bells in my head because I believe a town Rayn would consider that I might be blue and not force me to 'out' myself. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:47 Koshi wrote: WoS Your case on rayn was pretty bad right? Or did you believe everything you wrote when you wrote it? There is nothing bad about it. | ||
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On August 22 2013 00:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look. I died early on in CCM, i do not follow games closely after i die. Hell i don't even know how half of the games ended i have played in. I have no idea if you were blue in CCM or not. Why would i think you are blue here? I certainly do not think (even if you were blue in CCM) you are stupid enough to mimic your blue play so obviously (as you call it). As mafia it is more likely than as green, because you do not want to look scummy. Why would you want to look scummy to people? If you are mafia in this situation you make an opening post, have a meta backup to provide. Maybe you even get some stupid townies to agree with your idea of no speaking. I also do not understand why did you respond with your meta-argument, because the question had nothing to do with meta. If i put myself in your town!shoes i would tell me "i answer you when i feel like it", certainly not give an answer that has nothing to do with the question. I notice this kinda stuff. I would also like to know when you concluded that i am scum bluehunting (that explanation smells fishy in the first place because the matter was discussed with me just a couple of days ago and i even told i also do bluehunt actively as town)? I would also like to know how on earth the only thing you conclude from N0 thing you pulled off is that "rayn is bluehunting scum because he calls out my anti-town actions"? Really, nothing else? Not nothing else. I'll get to those eventually. Rayn, I'm not going to defend myself all day from you. I gave you an explanation, take it or leave it and move on. | ||
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