Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On August 24 2013 06:27 strongandbig wrote:

nooooooooooooooo

On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

On August 31 2013 00:02 strongandbig wrote:
Kita plz. If you're town, DI is a terrible target for a troll policy lynch. Better targets are alakaslam, cep hiro at this point, vayne. But policy lynching dandel is useless since he gives up as scum anyway.

On August 30 2013 21:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
ps: kita just wants me dead because I'm such an incredibly good player and I'm able to read him real good.

Which means he's scared of me reading him with my reading abilities
Which means he's mafia.

OMGUS engaged.

On August 31 2013 01:37 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I have a very good reason to play very pro-town this game, so get off my nuts ty

already showed in my first post through elegant trickery that i'm not scum

On August 31 2013 01:33 VayneAuthority wrote:
cephiro, felkyr, obviousone all scum lol

this game is easy so far

cephiro - get softly discredited by multiple people for "caring about the game" when I play differently every game so it's just an excuse to have an opinion. My case is promptly swept under the rug and nobody ever mentions him again until he responds to my post.

Felkyr - how long did it take you to make that entrance post, an hour?

obviousone - Instead of going with town sentiment and finding me scummy he immediately jumps to a 3rd party conclusion since he knows I'm not on his scumteam. Very strange conclusion to draw this early in the game.

On August 30 2013 09:22 geript wrote:
Slam is scum. Like 1000%.

On August 31 2013 05:38 Felkyr wrote:
VE (or someone else), could you summerise your case on geript for me? He is talking shit, true, but does that make him scum? The fact that he's asking for a gun actually feels townie to me, or 3p. Would scum have the guts to do that?

Also, you made that BM remark earlier (not knowing if they had a win conditions), when it was being said that they were a scum faction. Now, it seems you were on the right track. Why that does not really condemn you, it makes me think you might be BM yourself.

On that note, onegu and stutter, could you clarify what was being said in the BM quicktopic?

I've followed the Persona game a bit. And what stands out to me is that Koshi was very active there as townie. While now he doesn't seem to do a lot, except talk about his item.

On August 31 2013 07:25 strongandbig wrote:
HEY VE! I went through your filter and looked at every post where you mention geript.


bad

five more of the same:
+ Show Spoiler +
bad

oh wait this might be real

well, you don't actually provide reasons. your 1000% thing was obviously stupid and i see no actual comments on anything else geript has done. no idea why what geript is doing this game is different than the shitty shit he does every game.

+ Show Spoiler [talking with clarity] +
these posts are basically irrelevant, clarity's defense was dumb and ve's responses to it don't matter either. no reason geript's opening whatever would or should have been especially notable, it was someone who says dumb things saying a dumb thing at the start of the game.
+ Show Spoiler [more bads] +


Okay lets look at your history with geript.

The most recent game you and geript were both in was boardwalk empire. you were scum. doesn't count.

Then there's hydra mafia where you were hydras. doesn't count.

Prior to that was the game and TL LX. In the game, you and geript were both town. you never mention a read on him. but you do talk about him a few times, so it's possible that you got a town read through his obviousness.

Then there's LX where before you die:



Geript gets mislynched.

So you've played with geript in two games, both six or more months ago. One time you misread him and probably contributed to his mislynch. The other time you never mention what your read on him was.

+ Show Spoiler [more nothings] +

I'm calling bullshit on your geript push, VE. you've been yelling about lynching him all game, but no one's actually pushed back and you've never bothered to provide any reasons why he's scum. you've just been yelling at people. This isn't how you push a lynch effectively, it's how you distract and divide a town.

On August 31 2013 07:54 Cephiro wrote:
@HiroPro

Which players are brown?

On September 01 2013 02:40 strongandbig wrote:

i win with town. winning with town is my only win condition. i am a member of no other alignment than town. this is literally true
i am town. this is metaphorically true but my rolename is not "town" so it is not literally true.


nope
rayn's filter is way more game-related and way less fight-picky than when he was scum in got
either he's suddenly gotten much better at playing scum or he's a different alignment, either way we're not lynching him today.

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OKAY SO GERIPT

possibilities:
1 he's town and some-shot lynchproof
2 he's scum or third party and some-shot lynchproof
3 he's town and lying
4 he's scum or third party and lying

i'm going to ignore 3 for now because fuck him then.

I don't think 1 is likely. if he was really town then the only reason to try to get lynched like he has been would be if he gains some kind of power. there is literally no reason not to tell us that, but instead he just sits around and trolls the thread.

so he's scum. which is more likely, 2 or 4.

i think 2 is more likely. geript claimed unlynchable on page 49. when he claimed it he was at 3 votes, only one of which had even come in the previous 20 hours. this was not a desparate move by a scum or a 3p trying to reverse-psychology us into not lynching them. there's no way that was anything other than someone trying to get lynched.

why give scum what they want. we don't know why they want it but i think it's more likely that geript wants to be lynched than that he doesn't. and i don't want to give him what he wants.

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who do I want to kill? Well, VE. I still think his geript case was suspicious as fuck. The fact that I now believe geript is scum doesn't mean I don't think VE is also scum. Remember, geript wants to get lynched! VE could easily be his scum buddy. Also, remember the possibility of multiple scum factions. regardless of whether or not the black mesa pm circle thing is one of them. last aperture game there was a mixed-alignment pm circle and also two scum factions.

I challenge everyone to read what I wrote about VE's case on geript up until geript claimed lynchproof. tell me how VE could have been pushing that case from a townie mindset. Hell, when VE answered me he didn't even respond to my takedown of his case at all, he just attacked me for "not drawing strong enough conclusions from it."

I guess since it's less than twelve hours from lynch I should be talking about consolidation as well. Currently I would also lynch Kita. Not so sure about BH anymore. Don't want to kill wos anymore either.
I could get down with lynching felkyr but the case on him is kind of a coinflip between scum or noob imo. still better odds of hitting scum than a policy lynch on zentor or alakaslam (both of whom are reasonable policy lynch targets).

I'm leaving my vote on VE for now, there's still 6+ hours until the lynch.

On September 01 2013 03:43 strongandbig wrote:
vote VE duh i said already

On September 01 2013 08:40 VayneAuthority wrote:


holy shit, hold up here as I'm reading.

austin just blatantly lied in this entire post since he figured no one would actually go back and read Nuclear mafia.

1. Never fakeclaimed in that game, I said I was VT very early on

2. care to explain the rest of this post?

This guy is either not town or a retard again, just like in nuclear.

On September 03 2013 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote:

What is your fucking obsession with this Rayn?
Why is this like your only contribution lately?
No I have nothing to do with Pokemon.
I am the only person Shiao has masoned with.

On September 03 2013 10:10 kitaman27 wrote:


I don't understand this.

Either:

A) Hassy lied and is guilty
B) I'm lying about Hassy and I'm guilty

How does either lead to town killing themselves?

On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today.

On September 03 2013 20:30 AxleGreaser wrote:


When I googled it Chronosphere is in Red Alert, I have been told it moves stuff around in that game. My best guess it was just Alak being Alak and adding flavor for fun.

On September 03 2013 23:52 strongandbig wrote:
Shiaopi do you think that hassy is scum from his filter? Or are you sure that the only explanation of Kita's and hassy's claims is that hassy is scum?

What did hiro do that changed your mind?

On September 03 2013 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
Kita, there is one key piece of information that I don't have about your role.
Does your role reveal the names of the actions performed on VE or does it reveal their effects? Please ask greymist and commit to one or the other in the thread. If its names, we should 100% kill hassy. Dandelion's role proves that not every ability in the game has a name, but I'm willing to gamble that most do, and there's no way an action that does what hassy claims would just be called "shooting".
On the other hand, if your role reveals effects of actions, then we are in a difficult place. The more I think about it, the less reasonable it seems for hassy to claim a failed protection on VE as scum. Note that VE's role does not explain the no-flip, and neither does any action on him. so either his no-flip was an effect of whatever KP was used on him (factional power or special role that's not just a vig shot?) or there's a role which somehow conceals one player's flip without targeting that player. So here's another thing for you to ask greymist, Kita: if VE was killed by some role which had other effects than just a KP, would you still get back "shot"?
For now, I'm keeping my vote on hassy. But I want to know more about this situation.

On September 04 2013 04:41 Risen wrote:


Also this needs to be answered. I got caught up in reading other filters and this almost slipped my mind.

On September 04 2013 23:44 strongandbig wrote:
Okay so I guess I'm just having trouble accepting that none of Kita, VE, bh are scum (although I guess VE third party) should weigh on this.

I'm not sure but I think I want to back off Kita ATM. But I don't know why he's being called confirmed town.

I agree that his behavior and thought process surrounding his role use and the hassy situation seemed pro town. That makes me feel like he may not be the best lynch for tomorrow.

On the other hand, there's still the same stuff about his behavior before that which makes me dubious - focus on irrelevant things, very few reads and the ones that there were were bad, the di policy lynch.

So here's a question for hassy and ve who are calling Kita 100% town - suppose he's scum and his team shot VE, hassy's town, and kita's role claim is true. Scum knows that his claimed medic action on VE didn't block their shot, so there's a pretty good chance it either wasn't sent in or didnt do what hassy wanted it to. How is Kita's use of his role not optimal?

On September 04 2013 23:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I want to note, the role shiaopi is claiming (mason recruiter) was a scum role in aperture 1. If the green check on him is still anonymous, I'm starting to really doubt it given how little shiao has actually done since getting it.
Town dt shouldn't claim yet - for sure - but I don't think we should be ignoring shiao because of the anonymous green check.

On September 05 2013 02:59 Risen wrote:
As far as the QT goes, as long as everyone knows who is who in there, it's just providing more opportunities for people to scum slip with knowledge they aren't supposed to have.

For example, I must have missed it, but wtf happened with the Hiro/Yi thing?

On September 05 2013 03:49 Clarity_nl wrote:


Oh right they were seperate... I think I'm just gonna ignore everything that comes outta BM until we get something concrete though.