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On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote: There isn't thread cohesion yet. If you've got magical cora reads, make em whenever he does whatever. But "playing against" fake scottish accents and large numbers at the start of a game isn't ... valid? The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun. Three theories, none of which you like 1) cora is scum 2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad 3) cora is butthurt one of these fits quite well with your personality I like tryhard early BH, usually that means good things for town. But this is a whole lot of trying for something that doesn't seem like much. | ||
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Like...say I had a cow to sell you and I'm not willing to part with it for less than $2000. But it's worth $10000, easy $8000 cow-profit for you. How much would you pay for my cow? | ||
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Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that. I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA. | ||
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That's how he's played today. Start with some reads/comments, move heavy into the speculation game. Once you pass the initial "real stuff" gate in his filter, I see a lot of Black Mesa speculation, and not much else beyond the one big reads post. That post DOES read like someone doing work, but then he asks for opinions on any of the other individuals, doesn't really get them, his BIG WORK post gets buried, and he's got no issues with that. If he just posted a buncha scum reads and wanted comment, he'd be trying to drum up comment, trying not to have his reads buried, imo. He can be very forceful and can take over a thread, instead he's happy with all the geript jazz going on. ShiaoPi entered with a vote on WoS for reasons that weren't given, and I always always hate those votes. Actually, I don't want ShiaoPi killed yet. Hold off on that, he needs to be a lynch option on a later day and not a shot. VA starts the day scumhunting. Great. Wonderful. A+. VA then, under what I consider not nearly enough scrutiny, claims a role that is SUPER anti-getting-nightkilled, and I presume that while town has KP, scum has more night KP. (1) I don't like the timing on his claim. That role is HUGE if you're town and think you have great reads (which is what he's been spamming before). It's ASS if you reveal it. (2) His post-claim behavior is to continue poking at his reads (townie) into ... nothing. If his claim is truthful, then scum really don't want to have to nightkill him, they want to leave him alive and in thread (assuming his reads are decent/it's not endgame). His play after his claim plays right into that - don't continue pressure, don't build reads, don't force discussion, just claim early and shut down, more or less. I think that if his claim were truthful, his post-claim conduct would be the opposite. Dislike the claim + think his play doesn't support the claim. Despite actually giving some scumreads and pushing earlier in the day, he then shuts down, even as Felkyr picks up some votes today. Either he's scum or he's trying to pull something by fakeclaiming imo, and last time he did that it helped get me killed. Boo. | ||
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On September 01 2013 07:35 WaveofShadow wrote: His "plan' in nuclear involved fakeclaiming a thing, pushing that he'd done that thing hard, messing up the thread for a bit, and eventually coming clean with a big wrapup. He stuck with that even under pressure. Here, his plan was essentially "be super pro town and then get shot," which is not exactly the most crafty plan.MAH POST GOES HERE +100 for this post. Disagree with the VA analysis as I believe his claim was legit rageclaim, but the rest feels spot-on to me. I was starting to lose my scumread on kita too after the very beginning of the game. Yet he didn't stick with the plan here, and his play post-claim has never recovered into being a pro-town force. Do not like. | ||
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geript, I'd like to hear a specific explanation from you. If you are town, then you know mafia knows you're town. Yet you still picked up boatloads of votes, and there weren't any strong pushes off of you except a bit of movement towards felkyr at one point. Knowing that mafia would know you're town, but still let you pick up votes and didn't try to push things off you means BH likely town. I even mentioned that earlier, figuring that you were actually going to choose another target. But you didn't. So I'm interested in why your thought process never wavered, given that there wasn't really any attempt to get a different lynch going when you were constantly saying you'd shoot BH. On September 01 2013 08:40 VayneAuthority wrote: This is partially correct. rayn fakeclaimed that nuke, not Vayne. FORGET THE NUCLEAR COMPARISONS. holy shit, hold up here as I'm reading. austin just blatantly lied in this entire post since he figured no one would actually go back and read Nuclear mafia. 1. Never fakeclaimed in that game, I said I was VT very early on 2. care to explain the rest of this post? This guy is either not town or a retard again, just like in nuclear. However, blatantly lying about past games figuring nobody will go back and read them (or just remember playing in them) would be an AWFUL strategy. And, despite some of my nuclear play, I'm not usually awful. You guys just have rhyming names that are very similar. | ||
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I initially took this for an actual murky claim: On August 30 2013 10:57 MrZentor wrote: Is everybody okay with me deciding who we lynch today? However, now that we KNOW geript (or someone else if geript super playacting) can essentially decide a lynch, if Zentor was hinting at something we'd have two people that can singlehandedly control a lynch? Apart from that:MrZentor's last post before this was 11:37 TL time Aug 30. Axle posts that vote 17:20 Aug 31. Zentor responds 5:04 Sept 1. Either Zentor just ctrl Fs his name, or he read/followed thread over the course of 2 days and provided nothing at all. He also went into the voting thread and voted geript at 5:17 TL time, 13 minutes after his "seems legit" post. Reads thread + adds nothing at all + odd 13 minute period where he posts in thread then votes later = scum. If someone was active in Black Mesa during that time period, please let us know, it's likely him and it gives another explanation, but...MrZentor be scum. | ||
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I may be wrong, but I don't see a town voterigger geript using his power JUST to kill a guy. I have been working under the assumption that, had the lynch moved off of him, he wouldn't have rigged. Really I wanted to see whether geript had a good explanation/had thought things through. I'm not sure of him right now and that was gonna help  | ||
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VE died and flipped black but no role. This is portant. Could everybody in Black Mesa QT please post, and people report back to thread if any pseudonyms don't show up? Gives us a clue of someone who was unknown and in BM, and maybe indicated that BM don't flip with roles? Will do what I can to set aside paranoia concerning that for now, but if VE was the guy who claimed 3P in BM chat, that seems kinda nice. If everyone in BM shows up, we know there's some other faction, but if someone specific is missing, we maybe know that VE was BM and maybe BM don't flip (could be someone in BM just not posting to make it seem like they're VE, which would be mean). Still minorly interested in geript's thought process. I'll read hiro and some other folks when I'm more functional. Been scum with scumhiro a couple times, don't know that I have any super insight into him though. | ||
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Go read that last game. Black Mesa was a mafia faction that functioned around repositioning people in the player list. We have people who reposition people on the player list in Black Mesa this time around. If we can figure out whether we have multiple mafia factions or just VE as some unknown 3P, is good. Plus you are a dessert. | ||
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The difference between those two options is sizeable, imo. Again, you a dessert. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TltX5DwBl7o/UEulpNr4JuI/AAAAAAAAABI/lPg1R1GUbeM/s1600/bunny.jpg) = Alakaslam. | ||
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On September 05 2013 03:42 Stutters695 wrote: I THINK I MIGHT HAVE A CLUE CUZ THAT SURE LOOKS LIKE A BUNNYDo you know who "bunny" might be referring to? | ||
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I said Hi!Just talk to me and I will pick you up and put you on the outside of the fire. But it did not talk. | ||
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On September 03 2013 05:06 kitaman27 wrote: IMPORTANT POST I am a type Mortician role. I can reveal the role and alignment of dead players and it will also reveal the all actions that VE took and all actions that VE was targeted with. All this information will be revealed publicly. Privately, I will receive the names of all the players that VE targeted/was targeted by, so I can use it as an investigative role to possibly figure out who was responsible for his death. It will also give us insight into whether or not Hassy is being truthful about 2 kp/an unblockable kp was aimed at VE last night since the role also reveals factional kp. If you targeted VE last night, please claim beforehand. If you fail to do so then we will assume that you are guilty when attempting to match actions with names. I'll activate this in a couple of hours. On September 03 2013 07:40 kitaman27 wrote: lol man, this thread sure did die. For the sake of being able to move on, I'll activate the role and sit on the names for a bit more time to give everyone a chance to read. On September 03 2013 10:35 kitaman27 wrote: Only reveals actions, not names. In the event that Hassy was truthful about protecting VE, I was hoping someone would claim visiting VE (the exact same watcher ploy used in GoT -_-) | ||
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Hiro, why does town slam roleblock ShiaoPi? Or, if you think he didn't, why did ShiaoPi get roleblocked and slam claim to have been the blocker? Also yes, stutters, I'm the leader of the cell. If you look at the story I wrote about the talking bunny closely, you should see confirmation of that. To anyone else who may or may not be in the cell right now, please don't say anything. | ||
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If he saw those guys visit, and someone killed kita, then either scum DID frame someone, and alakaslam would make a solid target, or one of them delivered the kill. And even if alakaslam was framed, he's claimed to have visited ShiaoPi and rbed him out of the blue, and ShiaoPi claims the block. You think slam is town, so you think....he rbed Shiao for a reason? Or ... Shiao is scum and alakaslam is lying for fun and Shiao confirms it even though now he knows he's lying and someone knows? | ||
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On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote: vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote: You still stand by this stuff? Is this why slam is town?why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched  consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did. | ||
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On September 06 2013 04:30 Stutters695 wrote: Earlier than I'd like, but that's alright. @Austin: sorry if you didn't want to be revealed but this seemed best for towns wincon. Question though: why did you want to shoot Slam yesterday? Also, why did you choose me to add n1 knowing how transparently I play as town and my general lack of missing crumbs/low activity level. There was no way I would have caught on to the bunny thing without an in thread interaction and I feel like you would have realized that. And just so it's out there and you understand this, sorry if this messes up your plan but I'm not going to be shooting just off of your suggestion unless I believe that kill benefits town. So hopefully your wincon can Shot slam because of a couple reasons, but mainly because of the way the lynch worked out. I caught up on D2 happenings, didn't love slam's D6 usage claim --> hey guys I'll post more sensibly --> ______ routine, but especially because out of all the players he gives us the most information. We know geript and hassy's flips, if we know alakaslam then we can analyze the votes more fully. If all three are town, the votes look a lot different than when one of the 3 options was scum (And didn't end up getting lynched). As far as choosing you to add, I don't often read you correctly, or am always worried that this is the game that you roll scum and have low activity. The full reason is tied into that. We can talk later about the targeting bit. Other dude(s), I need you to shoot given targets. There are reasons. | ||
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On September 06 2013 04:50 Stutters695 wrote: There's a lot of stuff I either don't believe or don't think I have full information on this game. The bell was on that list.So you knew about the bell but wanted to shoot him Didn't know for sure it existed, didn't know whether it was activated or passive, and...I can try to shoot him at night but that's it. | ||
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On September 06 2013 05:19 Stutters695 wrote: Claiming watcher AND claiming a buncha targets sillypants if he's scum. At best...eh, because of the split worlds it COULD be a play to get slam and cheesecake both lynched, saccing himself to a shot or a lynch the next day. But I don't understand why scum would be looking for that trade on two unclaimed dudes, one of whom almost got lynched.Fair enough. Do you trust Onegu's claim? I have a reason to but if you're not in BM you don't know it. Why do you trust him? So given the specificity of the claim, I trust it. | ||
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On September 06 2013 10:15 AxleGreaser wrote: Yeah. There are a couple things simmering right now that need some explaining. I'm still interested in Hiro's read on alakaslam and debears returning to thread and engaging in a little more discussion than "nuff said," in addition to Cheesecake's response. I was actually writing that post wrote a whole bunch of questions and thinking in the redacted section... then realised I was sounding out the ground for Cheesecake. Cheescake needs to explain himself in the other thread. I then also realised your post had prompted me to think. I thought it might be good to flag that you ought stop too. | ||
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I hate BOTH of the role usages here. You both do...the exact same thing almost. It looks like debears sat tight while Alakaslam was getting votes. When the modkill was announced, the lynch started swinging towards debears with rayn and VE both saying they thought you were scummy. Before defending yourself, before responding to suspicions, you jumped on OO's vote and used this power. OO does THE SAME THING. Rather than start defending himself, or working on something like this + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 14:49 ObviousOne wrote: 3. MrZentor - null to town, liked this post a lot for townfeels. worth checking into more. For some reason I remember him being a wily scum in a game I read, but this is like me remembering the aura of his style and I don't know what game it was. Not feeling that tricksyness coming from him but keep an eye out. 4. Cephiro - didn't like the early riddles, seemed to reach the same idea as my RE: Vayne=3p, looks more and more town the further down the filter you go. mad town feels from this post. might have wanted to interview him but he's somewhere else today. 11. WaveofShadow - shamefully null on him, and I don't like it. If there's a third 3rd-party in this game I might pin it on him but no use chasing that. 14. coag - ???? who? 16. austinmcc - he's full of questions today, turn the tables and grill him back. I want to see him on the candidates list tomorrow and see where that goes. 17. debears - dying scum 19. Risen - daaaaaaaaazed and confused, I don't know how to choose. I'd say null to mafia but he has a special kind of innocence about him, so town. 22. ShiaoPi - kill with fire, please. please. pretty please. If I had another bullet I would send it here. Look at that filter. Look at it. LOOK. Then kill it with fire. 25. randombum - I just hate his very first post. His recent posting looks pretty good over in the other thread. 29. HiroPro - scum for pushing this bullshit, joke's on you, I want you up tomorrow, too. 26. VisceraEyes Died Night 1, and was resurrected Day 2 - handsome feller [dat beard], never lynch this guy Omitted people I feel are obvtown. Not entirely comprehensive but we can talk about tomorrow's lynch while you decide which of me and debears you want dead today. If we'd seen scum flips, I'd assume you guys were trying to pull something just based on this, some last-ditch effort to get someone looking townie because you were behind. But it doesn't make sense for you guys to go up against each other this hard if you're both scum when it looks like scum is sitting pretty. | ||
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Anyone other than HiroPro have thoughts on this? You guys so silent over there. You don't have to stop playing just because you're in another thread or waiting on cheesecake | ||
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Ugh. Gonna go read OO deeper. Risen, if you're around, wtf is this On September 06 2013 14:22 Risen wrote: OO is the lynch now. The fact that there's a 24 hour delay on his power and no 24 hour or beginning of day restriction on debears power is absurd, but we have to deal with it. If debears lives past 24 hrs OO was lying. If he dies well lets not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:31 debears wrote: Also, I had to use my power within 12 hours of lynch (or something like that). ??????? | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote: I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death. Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long. No, I get what happens in each case. What I don't get is not wanting to "waste" a lynch. Given how many flips there were at the start of today, I don't understand wanting the maximum number of bodies today. | ||
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On September 07 2013 02:31 debears wrote: This is your power, right? You have a role PM that says "This is your power."? Like, it has words that will tell you?Also, I had to use my power within 12 hours of lynch (or something like that). | ||
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On September 07 2013 03:00 debears wrote: Ummmm, yeah, otherwise how did my nirvana strike work? On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote: Day 3 ... with 14 alive in this game, it takes 8 to lynch! the day will end in On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote: Day started at 9, basically. We were 26 hours into the day. There were 22 hours left in the day (or 21 if we're counting from an hour later).##Nirvana Stirke: ObviousOne This guys is the scum. Lynching for "functionality" and not scum What is going on here? | ||
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, especially with alakaslam flipping. Do wish someone else had mentioned it, though. | ||
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On September 07 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because I don't want to see 18 thousand dead bodies over the course of a cycle and the only time I've seen flips get messed with, I was scum and town LOST THEIR MINDS - Personality 2.Why the fuck would you no-lynch just because of no-flip? That's horrible, especially if your reasoning is "Alakaslam is flipping already". I hate the idea of no flipping, think slam is scum, think we can net at least one scum here in our world, and worried about another round of a ton of NKs. | ||
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Was hoping risen would pop in. I liked his point about how a town OO wouldn't dayvig this late, and wouldn't immediately dayvig the dude who challenged him. But I dunno why mafia OO doesn't hold the dayvig until later on and then burn it on a strong townie/try to get debears lynched and not use it yet. Mafia dayvig pretty sexy, and burning it for little/no reason makes as much sense as a town dayvig not firing at a strong scumread not up for lynch. | ||
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If both are scum, then scumdebears challenges scumOO ... for the town cred. If he gets OO lynched and OO ACTUALLY dayvigs debears, then scum just gave up TWO scum players for nothing. So ... you think that either OO's dayvig is fake (debears kills OO, gets towncred, and OO was scum so who cares if he lied about the vig) or you think ... debears is TRYING to get himself lynched so that OO looks good? | ||
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On September 07 2013 07:25 Risen wrote: ^Why not.... This is something I would do in a fucking heartbeat. This whole time all I can do is remember CT mafia and your fake claim that turned out to work in your favor. I don't know that you're the go-to guy for sensible scum play. | ||
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I don't think you can just go "fake emotional play" here when half our D1 was geript flipping out and then being town. But debears at least stuck around and explained his action, and his posts read to me like he legitimate thinks what he did was a good idea. OO used his post-nonsense time to do this: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2013 14:49 ObviousOne wrote: 3. MrZentor - null to town, liked this post a lot for townfeels. worth checking into more. For some reason I remember him being a wily scum in a game I read, but this is like me remembering the aura of his style and I don't know what game it was. Not feeling that tricksyness coming from him but keep an eye out. 4. Cephiro - didn't like the early riddles, seemed to reach the same idea as my RE: Vayne=3p, looks more and more town the further down the filter you go. mad town feels from this post. might have wanted to interview him but he's somewhere else today. 11. WaveofShadow - shamefully null on him, and I don't like it. If there's a third 3rd-party in this game I might pin it on him but no use chasing that. 14. coag - ???? who? 16. austinmcc - he's full of questions today, turn the tables and grill him back. I want to see him on the candidates list tomorrow and see where that goes. 17. debears - dying scum 19. Risen - daaaaaaaaazed and confused, I don't know how to choose. I'd say null to mafia but he has a special kind of innocence about him, so town. 22. ShiaoPi - kill with fire, please. please. pretty please. If I had another bullet I would send it here. Look at that filter. Look at it. LOOK. Then kill it with fire. 25. randombum - I just hate his very first post. His recent posting looks pretty good over in the other thread. 29. HiroPro - scum for pushing this bullshit, joke's on you, I want you up tomorrow, too. 26. VisceraEyes Died Night 1, and was resurrected Day 2 - handsome feller [dat beard], never lynch this guy Omitted people I feel are obvtown. Not entirely comprehensive but we can talk about tomorrow's lynch while you decide which of me and debears you want dead today. #vote: ObviousOne | ||
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Wave/Zentor/Onegu, still interested in your thoughts on what happened in this thread. | ||
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Also, I really don't like the idea of no-flip lynching when it comes together like your lynch is. | ||
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Other thread...if you guys have no idea what you're doing, you might want to, you know, chat about it. Apparently nobody really wants to lynch, but you are, except it's a no-flip, so you're not even like lynching just so you have voting and stuff to work with. But one person saying "I think this world is full of scum" and everyone going "Oh man, I don't really care about lynch, I'm cool with no-lynching" looks ridiculous. | ||
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On September 07 2013 08:54 Risen wrote: But I have a post in another window written up that I keep staring at ...The urge occurred to me so it has to of occurred to other people. Don't unvote OO. | ||
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On September 04 2013 09:00 GreYMisT wrote: Day 2 Lynch MrZentor (0): HiroPro (1): cakepie (0): ShiaoPi (0): Alakaslam (8): Koshi, Clarity_nl, Mr. Cheesecake, VayneAuthority, Risen, Hassybaby, austinmcc, Cephiro geript (8): raynpelikoneet, Alakaslam, cakepie, WaveofShadow, randombum, Stutters695, Oatsmaster, kitaman27 (0): Oatsmaster (0): Felkyr (1): Onegu Hassybaby (8): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript, HiroPro ObviousOne (0): Risen (0): The lynch will Happen in on Wednesday, Sep 04 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00). It is a double lynch and the Top two vote getters will be lynched. You can only vote for one person, though. Let me know if I missed something or made a mistake. Remember that only votes in the voting thread count and voting is required. At the moment, geript and Hassybaby are set to be lynched! I'm not finding anything Super duper damning from those votes, but if anyone else can, there's the colored-in version. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Chupacabra - MrZentor Tree Snake - Stutters Pineapple - HiroPro Billy Joel's "Piano Man" - randombum Antartica - raynpelikoneet Moon - Felkyr Penguin - AxleGreaser Bear - Cephiro Pig - Coagulation Chicken - WaveofShadow Donkey - Cakepie Steam Shovel - austinmcc Banana - debears Persian Gulf - Clarity_nl Boat - Risen Potato - ShiaoPi Las Vegas - Onegu Avocado - VisceraEyes Salsa - Mr. Cheesecake Canada - MrZentor Neptune - Stutters Titanic - HiroPro Cat - randombum Latvia - raynpelikoneet Sea Snake - Felkyr Solid Snake - AxleGreaser Pants - Cephiro Cowboy - Coagulation GreYMisT - WaveofShadow crossfire - Cakepie Albino Cockatoo - austinmcc Spanish Armada - debears Duck - Clarity_nl Sandals - Risen Hummus - ShiaoPi Turtle - Onegu Tree - VisceraEyes Zebra - Mr. Cheesecake Okay. Everyone in the sleeper cell and seen the leprechaun say YEAH! People should have targets and codewords if you don't like your target. Use the codeword in a post or whatever, I'll make sure to keep watch over things, and can alter up the list. | ||
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On September 08 2013 04:34 Cephiro wrote: Can someone update me on this cell thing and whether it relates to any alignment or not as for some reason I do not recall anything of this. ![[image loading]](http://www.secrettoeverybody.com/images/secret.png) | ||
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On September 08 2013 05:24 Stutters695 wrote: Okeedoke.with regards to that, let me reread your target Austin. I'll let you know soon. | ||
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 I propose we talk a little about yesterday in the other world. Looking through some filters now. CEPHIRO, How do you feel about Zentor? His D1/D2 filter is a whole lot of geript being scum, people connected to geript/felkyr voting being scum or not, and then not much else. Scummy on oats, towny on slam, more or less absent over D3. You have something going on right now, but do you have particular reason to believe MrZ is kosher? Reading his filter, the thing that really pops is a half-discussion you guys had and then some comments from him about how you know he's town. I...I dunno, assuming that based on all this talk your alignment may be clear tomorrow, and you hopped to slam late, so, without revealing anything secret, you actually comfortable with MrZ? WoS I keep typing some stuff out, but mainly...post more kk? | ||
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On September 08 2013 05:58 Stutters695 wrote: Part of it is yesterday. I see posts that make sense, but don't really go anywhere, and the aim of them does not read as moving the game forward, to me.Austin: Why do you want to shoot who you suggested? obviously don't give specifics that would identify him, but what do you get out of it? I also did a quick check over last night's kills, saw that name pop up in a couple filters but without any followup and generally not as a major major target. It was interesting to see something that just floats around like that and never really really takes off, but is always on the back burner. | ||
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Because I've got limitations and need to get in touch with and chat with my peeps to make sure things happen like I want slash what? WoS, What stood out to me, at least from yesterday's filter, was that you started the day with reads on people that were somewhat key players during the day - rayn was scummy, Cheesecake was townie. Slam was in your scumreads, OO was tacked on after asked about it, and those are points where yesterday turned. After the early reads and reasoning though, poof. debears/OO nothing. Onegu seeing Cheesecake on kita and Cheesecake claiming visit but not kill nothing. I'm a little stuck on that. Not just a buncha 3Ps. A buncha 3Ps that have flipped or claimed to be basically neutral. | ||
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On September 08 2013 05:47 austinmcc wrote: I propose we talk about something other than my role | ||
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To the people in my cell, I have set things up so there should not be a shot. Do not be alarmed by that. Stutters, if your target is shot and I am dead, then ... look at my list. The guy who is SEVEN slots beneath your target is very likely mafia. You will know why based on my flip. To the other guy, if your target dies, something is screwy, because stutters is almost almost almost certainly town. | ||
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I lead a sleeper cell. I add a person each night, up to 3. Ta da, stutters, cakepie if you guys couldn't guess from his fixation on what I wrote to stutters, and randombum last night. Here's how the cell works. Each of my cell members votes each night on a target. If the voting is UNANIMOUS, my cell shoots that target. If the voting is not unanimous, we twiddle our thumbs. That's why weird lists in the thread, I need to be able to give codewords and then figure out targets later, and I needed you guys to have phrases you could use if you didn't want to shoot my target, because the unanimity is friggin' important. Why? Because, it's not like the sleeper cells in the sleeper cell games. I don't have any control over the KP, don't get to choose someone you send in, I just get to try and get everyone on one page. And here's the twist. If I add a mafia player to the cell, that player does not get a vote. N1 I added stutters. N2 I had him shoot alakaslam and added cakepie. UNLESS anyone else can claim the shot on alakaslam, stutters is 100% town. If he were mafia, my cell would not have shot. And it can't be a stutters/alakaslam mafia team because there was actual host confirmation that alakaslam was shot. On N3, I had stutters and cakepie on different targets. If cakepie were mafia, stutters would have shot randombum last night (stutters as town has a vote, mafia cakepie would NOT and so it would be unanimous to stutters's target, randombum). Cakepie, you can rest a little easier and get off stutters back. Cakepie, I know what you're worried about, but stutters is cleared unless someone claims slam shot. I needed to compartmentalize information so you guys didn't know you were shooting different targets, and I didn't want it known that I'm a half-ass DT because of how the shooting works. I basically get kills OR checks. Stutters, I know you said you're easy to read, but I usually end up calling you mafia in our games and I'm paranoid that you'll roll scum and just lay low. So I added you to the cell as a way of seeing your alignment, and also figured since we've played a couple games you could trust me if you agreed with my targets. Cakepie, you actually got active on D3, but when I added you N2 I didn't really have a feel for you, so added you as a check again. N3 I added randombum. randombum was the person I was talking to stutters about last night, adding little things but never following them, getting suspicion but always hovering outside the lynch. I am fine lynching randombum today, but it's inefficient. Stutters and cakepie, you guys shoot randombum tonight. randombum, if you're town, shoot anyone other than yourself. Ta da! If randombum is mafia, his vote doesn't count, stutters/cakepie are unanimous, and randombum gets shot. I don't actively do anything, so I can't be roleblocked. OO flipped blocker, and I doubt that scum can block BOTH stutters and cakepie from voting, and if either gets a vote in and randombum is mafia, whoosh. If bum doesn't get shot, votes weren't unanimous, and he's town. Got like two more sizeable posts coming off what I've noticed today. Pressure stutters all you want, but unless anyone can claim the shot on alakaslam, he's town. | ||
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Cephiro is up to some boolsheet Everyone is so concerned about claims, pokemans, 3Ps, that they're not looking back over Cephiro. Here is Cephiro's filter on Zentor - + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 10:06 Cephiro wrote: Zentor is town for reasons.Well, aside from two townies dying, some other things went pretty nicely tonight. Btw, don't lynch Zentor today. I have my reasons to believe he is town. On September 04 2013 10:07 Cephiro wrote: You really need to sheep less and do more though >_> You should be capable of that when D3 starts if you survive till that, right? Zentor and Cephiro are buddies. On September 05 2013 10:12 Cephiro wrote: Zentor, can you please tell me about your power usage last night? It's really important. If I can trust you, I have a very important mission for you to perform on D4 and N4 but it's absolutely vital you do exactly as I say.. On September 08 2013 05:54 Cephiro wrote: I am comfortable with him, yes. The daypost will clear out a lot of things. It is very possible I'm dead by the daypost. That however won't prevent me from telling what I did for what reasons and what is left to finish. The thing is, I'm giving it all I got tonight and involves others much more than myself, so there's not really anything I expect scum to be able to do about it. Cephiro is comfortable with Zentor and the daypost will clear things up. Zentor on Cephiro - + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2013 10:11 MrZentor wrote: It didn't have anything to do with Isaac, did it? On September 02 2013 11:33 MrZentor wrote: I don't really think I need your help, Cephiro has already helped me a lot... On September 04 2013 10:02 MrZentor wrote: Don't shoot me. Cephiro knows I'm townie. Daypost comes. No explanation. Cephiro claims to be a vig AND have set some giant plan in motion. And as best I can tell, HiroPro had this, whether via Cephiro or no: On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote: An Aperture Science Crusher was invented So, here's where I'm at. Cephiro has been townie on Zentor all game for unknown reasons. They been buddy buddy. At the start of D4: On September 08 2013 09:29 Cephiro wrote: Zentor, you know what to do with that item. HiroPro, use yours well. He gives ZENTOR and HIROPRO items. This is important.
For realsies. Here are some statements from Cephiro on why he's on Zentor today+ Show Spoiler + On September 09 2013 01:33 Cephiro wrote: Here goes. What will happen: Zentor flips at nightpost (at the same time as lynch.) Why I called it on Zentor: I know he was some sort of rolecop since he called my role very early on. His reactions to me defending him were what ticked me off in his play, but I didn't want to reveal that yet. Considering that he just happily continued doing nothing and providing no results and rode onwards as I protected him, it made me more confident that he may very well be scum. Now it has gone on for long enough. I am suspecting that he may be the 3P in the QT (Stutters mentioned something about someone calling out his role correctly.) If he's town, then my bad for picking a bad target. However, I think most of you aren't very disappointed with my choice. We'll see what he flips. Until then, Zentor, you could go ahead and provide us with anything you can if you are actually town. Hiro, since you are the one killing Zentor you will gain his item. I want you to use it the following night. On September 09 2013 03:31 Cephiro wrote: Rayn could be of any alignment. I have seen no actions from him so far that would confirm him to one way or another. @Zentor: To ensure the kill. You've done close to nothing for town this game. If I had started asking you before, you could have come up with all kinds of schenanigans to try and explain yourself, in the worst case effectively wasting most of the time we've got available to decide on a lynch. This way we'll see what you flip and can concentrate on someone else that seems scummy for the lynch. Your reactions to my actions are saying quite a bit though. You're not telling us anything. If I was going to die in 24 hours with no way of communicating after, I'd share every single piece of information I'd have. You've done nothing of the kind, and you're just questioning my action. Questioning my actions won't change what happened, and it's pointless to go on about it. If you're town, tell us what you've got, and if you're scum you can just leave instead of wasting our time. On September 09 2013 03:40 Cephiro wrote: In before I shot Coag for towncred. Obviously I'd admit I killed Oats if I was scum? If Zentor isn't going to put any effort in reading others or explaining what he has been doing the whole game (actions/role?), I'll just confirm that as a scum-kill and ignore him. I'm disappointed randombum hasn't come and defended himself at all yet. Cephiro claims he had to wait and see on Zentor, didn't like Zentor's responses. But Cephiro also claims to have given HiroPro the Crusher, as best I can tell. That means Cephiro had the crusher. But instead of actually killing a scumread, if Zentor was really scummy to him, Cephiro gives the item to someone else and has THEM use it. So, there it is. Cephiro is up to some boolsheet.
I really would like some answers as to what exactly is going on here, because something is going on in that little triangle, and all three of them were in the Closed Casket world yesterday. I believe he made the shots he claims, but I don't see a claimed N1 shot, I don't see some magical plan here, and On September 08 2013 05:47 Risen wrote: This stuck in my head. I was organizing in the thread because i HAD to, in order to get anything I could trust. Cephiro is asking questions, has some giant plan, hai gaiz I'm hard at work winning the game, but didn't get killed, didn't claim a roleblock, apparently just got entirely left alone despite threatening some massive plan involving half the game. Risen claimed 3P, apparently got shot. Cephiro claimed giant town-favored plan, nothing.So I'm supposed to believe that a town Cephiro is organizing things in public during the night and not expecting to get straight merc'd during the night? For real? Same goes with austin. Jokes. Has anyone else noticed this? Can someone explain what is going on? | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think there's a good shot of him flipping scum.We are not lynching a dude who has un-cc'dly claimed shooting Coag. I am not even thinking about it Austin. Tell me why do you have to shoot exactly randombum? What's the logic? However, everything that happened towards the middle/end of closed casket world is on my mind. Something went really wrong with whatever was going on over there, because (given no townie claim) someone created a second thread, put people in a world WITH NO FLIPS, and then they no-lynched. I like the no-lynch given the lack of discussion/planning over there, but I don't like the lead up to it, the lack of discussion itself and the general MEH attitude towards a lynch. I'm worried that bum was set up as a mislynch and something went wrong. That's why I'd like to shoot randombum, because IF he's town, he won't get shot. If he's town, his vote counts, he'll vote NOT himself, and because the vote isn't unanimous then he'll live. I can't do that with anyone else, because anyone stutters and cakepie targets will get shot, randombum is the exception because he's also in the sleeper cell, so his vote would count if he's town. | ||
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On September 10 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would rather lynch EITHER other point of that triangle than Cephiro atm, but I want to know wtf is going on because I don't want to lynch Zentor if he's actually actually dying, and if there IS some magical town plan I don't want to screw it over. If the explanation is nonsensical, then I'm up for lynching Cephiro.But randombum looks the worst atm. I am almost certain he is scum. Why would you not want to lynch the scummiest guy in thread over a guy who shot mafia? How does that suggestion make any sense? | ||
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If my group is unanimous, the shot goes off. If it's not, the shot doesn't go off. I get fake-DT powers on people IN my cell, not magical DT bullets. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment. If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not. The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't? | ||
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I don't propose we lynch Cephiro. I propose we figure out what the eff is going on with Cephiro/Hiro/Zentor. My alternate lynch right now looks like WoS or Hiro, but Hiro is connected to Cephiro and if there's some explanation that makes sense and paints Hiro townie, we don't lynch him. | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off.Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I? Ungrateful fucking town. You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out. Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all? | ||
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On September 10 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is lovely if you're being 100% truthful.Austin. The problem with confirming randombum's role is that in case he is scum and the pokemon dude (as i assume) he does not die to shots. He needs to be lynched, unless you want to feed me abilities, which is fine with me. It is less than lovely if, you know, you're scum or there is no other pokemon trainer. But right now you're telling me that I shouldn't alignment check someone in a way that will SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE at the same time if they are scum, because that person MIGHT be a role that MIGHT exist. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ##unvote: ObviousOne ##vote: debears 420NOSCOPE SUCK IT SCUM. HiroPro? No! HiroPro! Look at this! On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote: vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote ##Vote ObviousOne On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote: please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote: Read those posts. Now read this post:why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did.On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam is town because he got super emotional and bent out of shape because he worships BH for some reason and BH got killed. Therefore, instead of calling geript scum and attacking geript mercilessly or hunting scum or doing anything, Alakaslam randomized all the items in the game because...you know, that's what you do./facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted. Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia. But there is no way that OO acted emotionally as town, because acting emotionally is the easiest thing in the book for mafia to fake. Therefore, if he's angry and frustrated and storms out, it's cuz it's easy to do that as mafia. But alakaslam randomizes all items, apparently roleblocks a guy who has an unknown-if-can-be-trusted green check on him, visits a dude who died, and is town. In addition, HiroPro is so certain earlier that slam is town. When slam is in the game, slam is town. Onegu's check shows slam, cheesecake, and snb visiting kita. snb is town. Therefore, if onegu is truthful, either slam or cheesecake (or both) killed kitaman. So HiroPro, thinking that slam is town, wants to kill cheesecake, right? Right! Wait...no. On September 06 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote: Alakaslam looks town, but cheesecake I dunno about. (Kita totes died, SOMEONE killed him). Does HiroPro mention cheesecake AT ALL during the rest of the day? Nope! Does HiroPro discuss cheesecake's saying that he did, in fact, visit kitaman? Nope! He posts boatloads about the other world, the cool kid world, and gives ZERO attention to the other world, which contains (1) randombum, who he votes at the start of the day but then is fine no-lynching and (2) cheesecake, the dude who is the most likely killer of kita if hiro ACTUALLY thinks alakaslam is town.Rayn: Yes, there are multiple games where mafia have received framers of that nature. Especially when you put a watcher (probably the strongest investigative role outside of listcheck DTs) into the game, you have to give mafia something to help fight against that. The first type (more common) is that you can frame someone to make it show as if they visited another player in the game. These have been in several normal games. It is also possible for a role that can swap watch/track results between two players. For example in the last Aperture mafia (portal edition), I was a mafia player that each night could either choose between being immune to watchers/trackers or I could swap my watch/track results with someone else's watch/track results thereby framing them and giving myself an action alibi. As for alakaslam, yes he does look town to me. I'm not really sure of cheesecake's alignment. Hiro is explicitly pushing a lynch on OO over debears because emotional plays are easy to fake as scum, when he defended alakaslam because he made emotional plays Hiro is gung-ho at the start of the day to lynch randombum, before Onegu drops his watcher results. And yet he's fine no-lynching, letting randombum live, never discussing cheesecake. All he wanted to do was chat about our world, and say NOTHING about his scumread that his vote was on for most of the cycle, and say nothing about a dude who visited a dead dude. (To be fair, a bunch of us didn't discuss jack from that world, but this is particularly troubling with Hiro because he starts the day on randombum, but then just gives up) I ain't lynching the guy Hiro wants lynched. I tossed him out as an alternate shot N2 to see what would happen. No discussion (only he seems to have noticed). WoS keeps halfway mentioned HiroPro, no discussion. Cephiro involves HiroPro in some plan that makes no sense, no discussion. Does ANYONE have happy things to say about Hiro? Half the reason I'm poking Cephiro is to try and figure out wtf is going on with HiroPro. That's why I made a big post but keep having to say I don't want to lynch Cephiro right now, the real target is fooking HiroPro but something is going on involving him. Basically, HiroPro appears to just be tossing stuff into thread and not caring at all/not remembering what he's said. Defending and then attacking a defense both based on emotional plays. 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On September 10 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote: I am not informed of successful shots. See my fishing to see if anyone else shot alakaslam on N2, because then it might not have been your shot.Cool, thanks. Just trying to run through scenarios involving the sleeper cell shooting him. Austin are you informed if your shot is successful? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote: In case I'm not around for deadline (very likely) ##Vote: Geript Don';t know who my second should go on though. Not Shiao, not Alakaslam (He actually made one post that was COMPLETELY coherent and it shocked the hell out fo me, so I might actually be able to read him from now on) Hassy has some sort of bullshit suspicion on me because I haven't continued to call Hiro scum (despite me not being sure of his alignment to begin with) but I have no idea whether he is scum or not. I think in the end I might just need to sheep thread on my second vote. Clarity I trust you, what do you think? On September 09 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote: As for scumhunting: ##Vote: raynpelikoneet If he was town he wouldn't be alive right now. He just wouldn't. He only sort of started playing the game a little while in; before that point he was solely focused on his role (and still is, somewhat). I forget who said it, but we have no idea if Rayn is telling the truth in any way. Yeah it would be an odd thing to lie about (fighting against another trainer) but I could see it. The worst thing for me is the fact that he just doesn't seem like he cares anywhere NEAR as much as he does about the game as when he's town. I also want to look into Hiro---I promised I would very early on and never did. Also what is it you guys plan on doing with VE? On September 09 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote: I just had a random hilarious thought: Hiro is scum because he rolled Chezinu, who always rolls scum. Actually looked into Hiro though and there was some stuff in his filter I didn't like, among them a seeming bus on OO that was dropped really quickly after it was brought up. Cephiro, did your plan hinge on Hiro being town in order to work, or is it possible for you to have simply given a nuke to scum to use on another townie? On September 09 2013 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think I ever said his posts are hard to understand (though I have said that in the past). I actually find him to be a little clearer than usual this game (or maybe it's simply relative to the existence of Alakaslam, whose posts are in every way impossible). I need some time. Don't think I would lynch Stutters as this is pretty consistent with his town game. He fucks off. That's what he do. If I voted randombum that would be just a sheep vote as I haven't looked at him. I want to say Hiro honestly but I'm waiting to hear what Cephiro has to say regarding his plan. Random qs: Does the greencheck on Felkyr give him a free pass? Are the people who are supposed to die actually going to die? (ie was the shot on debears a fake? Is Zentor dead?) On September 10 2013 00:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does that clear Hiro exactly? We don't exactly know of the conditions of Cephiro's grand plan do we? On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:10 Stutters695 wrote: I don't get any special messages due to my role. I'm just not OP, so I don't get to be an unlimited half-assed-vig half-assed-DT. Once I add a third member, I can no longer add people and only get 1 final bullet.Right, that makes sense. If we only have one bullet left, is it safe to assume that you'll find out because we won't be voting anymore, correct? | ||
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I don't want to sit around. Look at closed casket for what happens when sitting around happens. I will prepare a picnic for you, no cheesecake to eat, and we will sit and chat. rayn, you are invited as well. Would you guys like to say anything about hiro? Thoughts? Reads? Would you like to explain to me why WoS who claims to be 3P survivor keeps poking at axle even though there's no traction there? Do you share my reservations about WoS apparently knowing what actions VE takes and knowing his role PM but not feeling like those are things that should be shared with the class? Heck, VE, you can picnic too. Is there anything YOU want to share? WoS apparently knows you, do you know him? (Cephiro if you ever show up you're invited too, but you have to talk about wtf is going on elsewhere) Zentor, debears, you are both apparently dead at the end of this cycle. Do you guys have any cutting-edge thoughts? | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: (I was in your world)Austin, i am okay with lynching Hiro aswell. I just think Axle is a better bet. The CCM was a fucking disaster. I wanted you guys to lynch randombum there, and i am not really sure why the wagon faded away. Looked like noone gave shit about anything there, and i was shouting you to lynch. What do you think happened? Yes, it looks like nobody gave a shit over there. I have no effing clue what happened. We've been assuming that mafia created that world, because nobody claimed it. But there was no lynch, and almost no real push to lynch anyone over there, so I've actually been questioning and wondering if that's a 3P thing and not a mafia thing. That doesn't get anywhere though, as it doesn't much matter WHO created it, but ... the people that were in that world haven't been getting enough scrutiny. debears made that list of "everyone who voted me = scum", and there was that comment about how nobody in Closed Casket voted in the debears/OO vote. I don't know what happened, but I know everyone in that world kind of sat out a day of voting and discussion, and it's one reason I'd really like to hear from Cephiro or non-trolly HiroPro, they were both over there. For now, let's have tea and start with HiroPro. He's in this game. He's been doing things, posting things, and almost certainly has an alignment. Would you care to wager as to his alignment? Would you care to comment on the things which he hath done? And I must say, your tea party apparel looks marvelous. Wherever did you get that floppy hat? | ||
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On September 05 2013 10:34 Cephiro wrote: If you would've asked me D1 I would've agreed for sure. Now I'm not really sure, + the fact that you claimed to still have that circle on you won't work, unfortunately. On September 05 2013 11:08 HiroPro wrote: NOTHING ABOUT YOU PEOPLE MAKES SENSE.ok, that's fine. just keep in mind that if the fate goes down to -1 or lower, I'm just as good as you, (if you get what I mean). Cephiro and HiroPro in contact somehow, afawk. HiroPro apparently cannot take part in the plan yesteday, due to roleblockage. Cephiro apparently thinks HiroPro can't participate. Cephiro does something with HiroPro anyway. HiroPro apparently CAN participate, and isn't roleblockaged? And yet with the two of them being buddy buddy and HiroPro coming out at the start of the day wanting to lynch randombum, they don't push him and he doesn't get lynched. | ||
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On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: If you're a survivor/neutral, then you don't care.I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline. If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target. You'd reveal whatever you can about VE/yourself because you're giving information to town AND scum, trying to make nice with both, and you make yourself not a threat. You clearly HAVE information on VE, which makes it far more likely you're 3P than other factions, because I don't see a random scum player (cuz you ain't town) happening to know what a guy who flipped 3P's role PM is and what actions he takes/where his circle is. But you're hiding it. That is...remarkably not neutral. | ||
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This is the first mention I can find: On September 07 2013 03:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Jeeze I go afk for school and work and ppl think you scum. Onegu is most likely town, because hes right about my visit. I dont think scum would have that ability. I did target kita with an ability. I'd rather scum not know my role because they probably could do something to screw with it. I will say that it has to do with the fate counter, and that depending o if n what Fate number is i perform different actions. This is no flip, is it possible to no lynch? If not, best lynches are Mr.Z, random or maybe cephiro but notsre on him. Heck, the cool kids in our thread were talking about that hours before you were: On September 07 2013 04:59 austinmcc wrote: I like the idea of no flipping , especially with alakaslam flipping. Do wish someone else had mentioned it, though. | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Cough. Cough cough.See I think the main difference between Hiro and me and that Hiro actually isn't doing shit. At the very least I am attempting to make myself useful--- Hiro has trolled half the game and is being purposefully enigmatic. And of course there's Axle. Why there isn't basically a unanimous vote on him right now after the shit he pulled I don't know. He won't even come back to talk with the rest of the thread now that he's outed me and it's been shown to everyone I'm not scum. | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote: And yet I find myself wanting to lynch both you AND hiro. You've absolutely not been revealing in your roles and powers.No, there's a difference austin. I have specifically said WHY I don't want to tell you certain things. I have also revealed to you guys my role and powers. Hiro has told you guys NOTHING, and is refusing to talk. The only thing he does is get all rustled when someone looks into his filter and accuses him of something. On September 10 2013 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote: I can further prove my survivor claim is completely real but there is a chance I could still survive this so I'd REALLY rather not reveal anything more if I can avoid it. Suffice it to say, I don't have any powers anymore, and never really used them. I was an antivoter and due to specific conditions was only able to use it D1 but obv Geript fucked that up. On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote: I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline. If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target. You're an antivoter, under some circumstances. That's all you've revealed. You say you're a 3P neutral sometimes-antivoter who also knows VE's role and what he does. Very forthcoming. | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Ah've liked me some of them thur posts he's made since right before lynch D3. Why are you so content to believe that he is town when has essentially done the exact same thing as I originally did by refusing to claim, and now fucking off? Also, because of a HUGE difference. He didn't claim and fucked off. You partially claimed, tried to hold that up as some enormous act of caring, while claiming neutral survivor 3P. YOUR claim is that nobody wants to kill you, and you want nobody to kill you. That 100000% does not fit with not revealing stuff, the fact you're hiding things while claiming that all you want to do is not get killed and you don't want to kill anyone means that you are lying. As of right now, he is refusing to claim, but I don't know of any straight up lies he's telling. AND I FRIGGING WOULD RATHER LYNCH SCUM THAN 3P THAT MIGHT BE ANTI-TOWN OR SOMETHING BUT BECAUSE YOU KEEP ON LYING I KEEP GETTING FOCUSED ON YOU BECAUSE HOLY CRAP WHY ARE YOU HIDING THINGS WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? | ||
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On September 10 2013 04:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: They also traded votes on each other D2 before Hiro voted Hassy.He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up. I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in? It's the thing that gives me the most pause, but "Hiro is scum and he and OO just bussed each other for funsies" fits the bill a lot more to me than "Hiro is town and doing scummy stuff." Seriously. Read the posts on him. Read his actual filter. | ||
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Has he been scummy other than NOT ROLECLAIMING? This is D4. Before today neither of you wanted to lynch Axle from what I could see. And now suddenly Axle is the numbah wan ichiban lynch because he won't claim? His last couple hours and not claiming are so horrid and unthinkably scummy that he's got to get lynched more than people doing scummy stuff all game? randombum is a fall back lynch to me. If I shoot him, we get to hopefully lynch scum and DEFINITELY not shoot town. If we lynch him and shoot someone else, we possibly hit townies with BOTH. Unless you think I'm lying about my claim, why is he a better lynch than shot? Ceph...post | ||
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Right now I'd rather lynch Hiro unless Cephiro got all sorts of magical convincing reasons not to. Behind that, I'd rather, ugh. I don't like axle for scum. | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:02 Cephiro wrote: Yes.Yup. That is indeed the case. Would you like to suggest a better way of action I could have gone with? (1) Not giving items to people you think might be scum - We're in a big themed game. We've already had someone RESURRECT. Your plan, if Zentor was scum, was to have someone openly announce in the thread that they were going to kill him at the end of the cycle. If Zentor was scum and a vet, if scum had another dayvig, if scum had a roleblock during day, if scum had all sorts of stuff, then EVEN IF Zentor was scum, your plan ends up with him having an item when he otherwise wouldn't. (2) Not trusting hirololololol. You have no special reason to believe him town? He was just a big townread despite his play? | ||
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He may fit into your plan. Your plan may be wonderful. But if you have no outside reasons why HiroPro is town, other than "I gave him some KP and he used it on the target I ordered him to, because holy crap scum would never follow instructions rather than out themselves in thread by just blowing up someone really townie," then I do not like it. Whatever your plan may be, it hinges upon town HiroPro. He ain't in this game. | ||
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If HiroPro is town, he probably follows along, pew pew Zentor. If HiroPro is mafia, he does...what? He crushes someone else? He says he never got the crusher? The moment he gets involved in something he doesn't fully understand, he HAS to follow instructions, or it may very well be a scumclaim. And if HE refuses to follow instructions and basically scumclaims, he almost certainly dies. And if he dies and flips scum, we 100% flip Zentor. Mafia HiroPro HAS to follow the plan. Him crushing Zentor doesn't indicate anything. | ||
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On September 09 2013 01:28 Cephiro wrote: Alright. Are you ready and will you do it? On September 09 2013 01:28 HiroPro wrote: Yea, I'm cool with it. On September 09 2013 01:28 Cephiro wrote: Use it on Zentor. On September 09 2013 01:29 HiroPro wrote: ##Crush: MrZentor | ||
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However, the dude's play is not town. VE, our maybe-neutral 3P with a buddy who is a maybe-neutral 3P, care to give some thoughts? There was a lot of stuff tangential to you today. Also, you know, lynch and whatnot. Random side-question, are you just a suit of armor now? | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:24 Clarity_nl wrote: What else does he do?He IMMEDIATELY crushed zentor without even a question of why. If he's scum with zentor why would he do that?!? He goes, "I don't know Kev...." and dawdles around? He's already said he'll crush the target of choice. He just afks for 2 hours? He crushes someone else? What legitimate options does scumHiro have in that circumstance? | ||
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But to everyone saying MrZ and Hiro can't both be scum, you need to explain two things: (1) What is your read on HiroPro ASIDE FROM the start of D4? Actions, votes, he has played this game. (2) What course of action does scum HiroPro take if asked to crush scum MrZ apart from doing it? For SUPER conspiracy theorists out there, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT ZENTOR IS GETTING KILLED. Let's all read Koshi's role. On September 05 2013 09:17 GreYMisT wrote: Koshi, as Cave Johnson, has died! Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You are Cave Johnson!, the old CEO of Aperture Science. You don't like how the robots and weirdos have taken over, so you are taking back what's yours! You still lead a large R&D team somehow, so you can make some pretty cool inventions. You may choose 2 players and move them next to each other on the player list (they will move the shortest path). You may invent any item and give it to one of those players. Once per game, you may decide to meddle with the scientific process and give out the invention to both players you move, designating one of them to not function at all. Because of you charisma you have managed somehow to work your way into Black Mesa REDACTED. You are town aligned, but only win with the town if all other Number Redacted members of Black mesa are dead. "Just a heads up, we're gonna have a super conductor turned up full blast and pointed at you for the duration of this next test. I'll be honest, we're throwing science at the walls here to see what sticks. No idea what it'll do" There is a CHANCE that the crusher is fake in the first place. | ||
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Here's all you've said about Hiro: On September 10 2013 04:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: He did one thing in Casket I remember: Yell at people to lynch ObviousOne. He was so adamant about it -- more adamant than anything else he's done in this game. Yet, he didn't have a vote in the lynch. Was he doing this for towncred when either debears or OO flipped? Seems like an easy thing for mafia to do, sit on the sidelines in another thread and push the correct lynch without having a vote to back it up. I point this out because Hiro hasn't pushed any other lynch that hard, and the one he pushes he has no weight in? You said you'd look at him. It appears you thought about it. You point out a thing that's "an easy thing for mafia to do." Yet you don't comment any further than that. You don't say whether you think he's scum or town. You make it conditional on flips. HiroPro is EITHER town or scum right now. Before Zentor flips. Or I guess he could be an 18th 3P. But he's got an alignment right this second. It behooves all townies to try and discern that alignment. So, forget the conspiracy theory, and focus. What is your read on HiroPro? What course of action does scum HiroPro take if asked to crush scum MrZ apart from crushing? | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:39 Cephiro wrote: Wat?In that case, either WaveOfShadow or the killer of VayneAuthority would have that item. I have not seen Wave claiming it, I do not believe he has one. I assume scum killed Vayne, I am sure they would have used the item already. I would have used mine instantly on D3 if I could have. Thus, we can safely assume Zentor flips. How do you know who Koshi gave items to? Did I miss something? | ||
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On September 10 2013 06:42 Cephiro wrote: .... I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE THIS SHIT. Because I got the Crusher from him, according to his role the other person should be right next to me. READ FOR GOD'S SAKE. I don't understand how you bring that theory up but won't even think it through. Either he gave it to just me (which I assume to be correct), or then the other scenario I told above. I read the bolded and forgot about the specific targets bit | ||
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It's almost like Zentor didn't want to lynch Hiro. Then WoS, claimed 3P, comes in and tells people to vote AxleGreaser. Suddenly, after a long period of standoff, mass swap over to AxleGreaser. I will again ask everyone on Axle: (1) What is your read on HiroPro, based on his actions BEFORE the crushing? (2) What would scum HiroPro do if asked to crush scum Zentor? Heck, we can add a (3). (3) How do you read HiroPro's actions AFTER getting a bunch of votes on him today? | ||
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I'm going to again point out that Zentor is on AxleGreaser, saying HiroPro wouldn't have gotten votes, and ... just posted that. I'm going to point out that...these are not facts that lead me to believe HiroPro is town. | ||
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On September 10 2013 08:57 AxleGreaser wrote: ???????????????was leeping is the best I have got. and as AFr as i know is best I dont claim tonight | ||
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Randombum, if you're town, vote for not you. As much as I'd like to try and sleeper shoot a number of other people right now, this is the last bullet and still best to fire at random. Cephiro, whenever you're on again, ... (1) You gave the D6 to Zentor...to see how he'd use it? (2) You were waiting to see about his actions N3 before crushing him D4. I assume if he'd used it we would have known, which means he didn't use it, which means....you had hiro crush Zentor because he...did NOT use the D6? (3) Why would you give the D6 away period? | ||
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2. I wanted to hear what Zentor claimed to do N3, as well as his reaction to using my item. Knowing what item I gave him, his reaction doesn't make any sense. Scales tipped over in favour of shooting him, so I wanted Hiro to kill him. Cuz it makes it sound a heck of a lot like you gave Zentor the D6 to see what he'd do with it, and his not using it made no sense, so you asked Hiro to kill him. | ||
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Kill scum before 3Ps. Risen's claim sounds more legit than VE and WoS. Something was redacted, they're connected, and there are clearly things WoS didn't want everyone to know, despite claiming that he's neutral mcneutralface. Zentor's role PM also looks fake, like he might just have the first ability or some form of that and then made stuff up. Can ask for powers or items? Can roleblock everyone? Questionable. | ||
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Thanks grey and crossfire for hosting, really enjoyed the game and it felt like it went very smoothly for all the moving parts it had. Gogo scumteam! So many posts, so much paranoia, but hooray victory! Aperture Science wins again! VE I 10000% thought that you got rezzed as a suit of armor and maybe had your powers or win condition changed, wasn't even joking about that. | ||
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On September 11 2013 11:51 randombum wrote: Why did the soul gem gun not work? From our QT "You have received a Soul Gun, This gun allows you to shoot any player at night for 1 kp. However, it requires that you charge the bullet with your own soul. Your soul, in turn, will become linked to the creator of the gun. If the creator of the gun would die, except by lynch, you will take one of the shots. This gun may only be used once before becoming inoperable" As Koshi is dead, hosts decided to not let the gun work, since my soul can't be bound to Koshi anymore. | ||
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On September 11 2013 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah! What was Chaos Reigns?Ok some random questions/comment: What was up with Black Mesa? WHO THE FUCK WAS YI Is 8-man scumteam and that many 3P really balanced? ( I assume it is given town roles but jeez) Town and scum each having basically a 6-shot vet? Wat? I don't think my body was quite ready for the chaos that happens in an Aperture game. (Speaking of Chaos...what was that? Was it used?) Also, I find anger works really really well for me. No hard feelings Axle? I didn't mean any of it, I swear! :D And also Grey, I asked if you had any games in mind when making the dimensional lemming role, what were some other games you thought scum could take advantage of (not that we even took advantage of a no-flip lynch world )? | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote: As do I.Lol damn. Felkyr wasn't on my 'plays League' list because I don't know him haha That was such a weird thing for everyone to be concerned about, although I guess it got relevant once we realized there were so many 3Ps and someone ELSE had claimed too. He just gave the occasional report on what was happening in BM chat, and got lucky to get GF and checked by someone who got confirmed-ish. Actually, I thought given the size and pace of the game + rolling scum, he did a pretty solid job. | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:06 WaveofShadow wrote: I think the main thing that I noticed this game as scum was just a ... distinct lack of town leadership. Yeah he defs did. Is there any way to read the scum QT in one page? Because fuck clicking that shit 1000 times. Greymist and I were also talking about this last night, but I'm pretty sure we agreed that TL scumteams are strong lately. Or that TL towns in general are just real shit. Maybe both. D1 was wonky because the lynch didn't matter. D2 we had a double lynch and people missing actions and whatnot. The whole time, we were aiming early night kills at people that were vocal/threatening, and once we hit D3 discussion just kind of shut down. Some of that was the scum/3P numbers, I don't think we expected 6 non-scum NKs on N2, but Closed Casket's D3 was empty, and regular game's D3 was empty up until the final bit, and might have stayed a lot emptier if OO didn't choose to shoot debears. D4 same thing, no town leadership despite cephiro trying, and everyone pushing their own targets of choice. People so focused on roles and mechanics that nobody ever really scumhunted and made cases, they just focused in on whatever mechanics or roles they didn't like, and that meant everyone was on different pages and couldn't get a lot of good lynch discussion going. | ||
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Scum nearly got slam lynched, were going to lynch him D3 before the modkill. I could have hammered debears D3 instead of OO and did have a post ready to do so. My sleeper cell shot twice, and I aimed both of the shots at scum ... Almost all the scum members called randombum scummy, but because of my role there wasn't a push to lynch him. Would have been very difficult to really squeeze much out of votes because of all the bussing. | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I wanted to lynch you so bad just to see, but normally when I'm scum I end up yelling at 3Ps too much and trying to get them lynched.Terrible call for town to lynch Axle yesterday imo. Were you guys too afraid to lynch one of us and buy time in case we were unlynchable or something? It's like VE and I were not even an option! (Thanks for that btw Cheese  )This time I figured I'd cut back, but still try to push you or Hiro, and I 100% didn't trust either you or VE to be neutral survivors. I also was the guy who pushed for our team to shoot Risen, cuz he'd played protown for a day and I didn't think we could trust him to stay neutral and uninvolved. We shot either 3 or 4 of the 3Ps, can't remember if we actually shot at you N1 or not. | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:30 Clarity_nl wrote: Maaaaaaaaaaan. Wussy and paranoid scum play has led me to wins. I can't give up on it.Hell, if austin was more of a man we STILL woulda lynched debears, with like 5 scum on him LOL. | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:46 VayneAuthority wrote: cheese halfway fakeclaimed in closed casket, but there wasn't that much of it, turns out.did anyone else fakeclaim in this game btw? Thought we would see a lot more of that in a game where roles can be anything but looks like im the only one that made up some bullshit power lolol | ||
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Axle was the towniest poster at the end of D3. Risen was arguing for scum doublebus, hiro was part-arguing for that as well, Axle was just kind of sensibly pointing some stuff out and posting not in his usual style (at least as I remember the end of that day going). He was maybe doing some voting plan D1, occasionally questioning people, everyone seemed to forget about the rest of the game whenever anyone did a single noticeable thing. | ||
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On September 11 2013 12:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah....I played like butt for more than 48 hours.Yeah I was actually pretty frustrated with the scumteam day 2 cause it was basically only me and cheese who had any presence in the thread. They picked it up though I defended OO so hard and no one even questioned me about it afterwards =/ People forgot to scumhunt, lol. Austin claims cell leader and people are like "well it's a claim, that's fine" Sorry for early play, scumteam, especially D2. I was in QT, kept saying I'd post, and either rl would pop up or I'd just get demotivated. | ||
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Death Factory sounded like fun but way way way too much work for you guys, and I feel like you would have had to alter it so much. Did you have a plan for that one like a shrunken board or powers translating over? Would there have been items? Never actually read World at War, gotta go check that one. | ||
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On September 11 2013 21:41 Stutters695 wrote: It was difficult to piece together because it felt like kind of an odd mafia role.Well when I first got added I figured a scum sleeper was possible, but you definitely had me convinced otherwise Austin. Probably should have pieced together that such an exploitable role wouldn't exist but with your night post about how cakepie would be scum if x happened, I figured it had something of a DT type role and that sold me on the validity of it. Does anyone have any advice for managing the work-load of reading a big game? Every time I play in one it's so hard to catch up after not being in thread for a bit. Then by the time I read that and had some thoughts ready some crazy new thing went down and I had to reread. Wasn't even really sure where to start with scumhunting except my gut in a game this size. I had KP for a few days, but relied on everyone getting and following messages, and could never get help from scumbuddies with the sleeper voting. Same as that last PTP power game, I end up mafia with a role that town controls, except this time I was able to send out targets and hope you guys agreed. Besides...You shot alakaslam (scum) N2. You aimed at randombum and cakepie aimed at coag N3 (both scum). You both shot randombum on N4 (scum). Kinda hard to think of it as a scum power when it was never used to shoot or even vote to shoot a townie. And not lynching randombum on D4 sounded decently reasonable, which was really where the cell came in handy as a way to force a different lynch than the correct one that most people wanted. | ||
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On September 11 2013 23:51 strongandbig wrote: He gave a semi-claim about how he was visiting to protect kita, but because the fate got messed with due to Vayne's keeping Hassy as a ghost, there was no protect. I actually dunno why town didnt just force a mass claim at that point. Most people had claimed anyway. Actually did cheesecake ever even have to explain why he was visiting Kita? With hassy a double medic and alakaslam's flip, the claim maybe should have been dug back up. | ||
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On September 12 2013 02:12 Crossfire99 wrote: All townies need to claim D1 when I'm mafia. It's so much better for my health. Please please please just everyone claim so I don't have to be so worried.This is very important. I believe it was either Ace or Ver after their recent respective games that said that townies claim their roles way too much. Scum know almost everything about a game except for what roles town has. This is their greatest threat. Austinmcc can tell you how paranoid not knowing what town can do can make you. Too many times town players claimed their roles for no good reason. Hassy shouldn't have claimed medic. Even if he thinks scum double stacked or something, file that info away later. IT IS DAY 2. YOU ARE A MEDIC. DON'T CLAIM AND SAVE MORE PEOPLE. rayn's claim is debatable. I understand what he was trying to do, but how much more powerful would his role have been if scum didn't know that he was Red? A mislynch that survives, a night kill that survives. He buys time for town. Again, I understand why he claimed, but I think he should have thought more about the advantages for his role. I also don't like stutters claiming a cop check immediately to black mesa even though it was to a mason group and he claimed that is was one shot. If you are truly one-shot claim, but if not save your claim until you hit a red check or you must absolutely save a town read when it is a desperate situation. Additionally, you should not have outed your check to black mesa, a group where you were warned about potential scum infiltration. Lastly Koshi, I know were pissed about Alakaslam dying, but you are an Inventor, one of the most powerful roles in the game. You can make whatever you want including once making fake item to give to someone which you can use to gain even more info. An unknown inventor creating items and giving them to townies is a nightmare for scum. Notice how you died immediately once you claimed? I've got a few more things to say, but I'll just post this for now and finish the other stuff later. Aside from that, I really like this. Koshi we absolutely swapped a kill over onto you because you were clearly an inventor, and that's a MISERABLE role for scum to play up against. We avoided using any kp at all against rayn after his claim because we knew we couldn't kill him efficiently. Heck, if Risen fullclaimed and said he had the bell I don't think we'd have shot him, I was just really paranoid about him screwing us over. | ||
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I liked this version, but I think there might be some problems in any non-giant game with making it interesting. You need a certain number of shifting roles, scum probably needs 1-2, you maybe need a 3P that interacts with shifting, feels like it requires a large commitment if it's not a major focus of the game. Heck, almost seems like you could build a Death Factory-esque game out of it. Player 1 gets lynched, people have abilities to move folks on the list, check slots next to them. I don't know that it's unique enough to not just be Death Factory, though. | ||
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Allowing an invert every night seems "anti-fun", given that you basically get a SUPER roleblock, instead of turning someone off you actively use their role for the opposite purpose they want without a notification. But having it cost a resource here meant we had to actually decide whether an invert tonight on any given target would be better than saving points for multiple future inversions. Can see that a little bit in our QT on the last night. Just seemed like a simple-sounding but complex-to-deal-with ability that has potential for lots of good and bad nonsense. | ||
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On September 13 2013 02:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Photoshopped.His Skype pic..... On the internet, nobody knows you can't grow facial hair. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:30 gonzaw wrote: Aperture 1 Y U NO HAVE SCUM AUSTINMCC!?Nice job scum. Aperture Games Stats: 1 town win 2 scum wins austin carrying scum for a lead on the Aperture series! Anyways I'm thankful I didn't join this game because I would have rolled town, not sleep at night trying to read and post in this behemoth of a thread, and would have miserably lost and most likely go insane. I know that feeling Cephiro... | ||
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On September 13 2013 10:24 gonzaw wrote: Think that's it. I roll scum, you roll town (although I dunno about your Aperture 2 alignment, seeing as you won with us), and...some 3P SK wins.It's kind of funny. On Aperture 1, I was town, you didn't play, I won. On Aperture 2, I was town, you were scum, we both won (mindfuck right here). On Aperture 3, I didn't play, you were scum, you won. So...what will happen on Aperture 4? You are scum, I am town, we both lose? The circle must be completed... EDIT: Or: I don't play, you don't play, we both win (somehow). Yeah, that's it! | ||
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