Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On August 30 2013 09:22 geript wrote:
Slam is scum. Like 1000%.

On August 30 2013 09:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


HI VE U MAF?

On August 30 2013 09:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


BUT I'M NOT 1000% SURE HE SCUM?!

On August 30 2013 09:53 Blazinghand wrote:


I never confirmed SHIT that game

On August 30 2013 10:11 WaveofShadow wrote:

Behoove is a fun word.
I already stated pregame I'm just going to be ignoring Slam because it's not worth the headache.

There is defs a lot of butthurt spilling over into this game though.
See: Cora's vote

On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

On August 30 2013 10:57 MrZentor wrote:
Is everybody okay with me deciding who we lynch today?

On August 31 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:


Oh please, I've trolled in one game and that's the one you played in. Don't be a martyr. I got nightkilled night 2 in that game so it wasn't even a big deal. I've been lynched in one game ever and you have the audacity to call me a troll? unbelievable. You can ignore the root of the problem all you want, but the fact is that people complain about lurking but reinforce it when people that contribute just get shit on and attacked. Why ever contribute to the game?

On August 31 2013 03:15 geript wrote:

Sure: I'd shoot BH, VE and WoS. I'd nuke Oats because he's both scummy and fun to nuke. But meh, I was done for today like idk 12 hours ago so DGAF activated.

On August 31 2013 04:01 Hassybaby wrote:
What a wonderful time to come back...

VE, why are you playing 2 people this game?

On August 31 2013 04:30 kitaman27 wrote:
If we assume that mafia has representatives in the quicktopic, I see no reason why it should remain private.

Does everyone agree revealing the posts in the qt and the timestamps? If you are a town member of Black Mesa I believe you should claim now, unless someone has a valid reason for them not to claim. After that, if you are found as a member of Black Mesa without claiming, you should be assumed anti-town.

On August 31 2013 05:38 Felkyr wrote:
VE (or someone else), could you summerise your case on geript for me? He is talking shit, true, but does that make him scum? The fact that he's asking for a gun actually feels townie to me, or 3p. Would scum have the guts to do that?

Also, you made that BM remark earlier (not knowing if they had a win conditions), when it was being said that they were a scum faction. Now, it seems you were on the right track. Why that does not really condemn you, it makes me think you might be BM yourself.

On that note, onegu and stutter, could you clarify what was being said in the BM quicktopic?

I've followed the Persona game a bit. And what stands out to me is that Koshi was very active there as townie. While now he doesn't seem to do a lot, except talk about his item.

On August 31 2013 06:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scumslip by felky, called VE town. DIE SCUM

On August 31 2013 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck this phone posting. Does nobody else think thats obvious scumslip?

On August 31 2013 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hi. I did not read the past 7 pages but BH is mafia.
##Vote: Blazinghand

On August 31 2013 06:14 mkfuba07 wrote:
hihi~

Finally caught up in the thread. Need to filter people now.


Is CC always this jumpy on possible scumslips?

On August 31 2013 06:21 Blazinghand wrote:


I'd like to hear your specific thought process and reasoning as to why I'm mafia

On August 31 2013 06:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh so you just think I'm scum, and you'd rather I wasn't scum. That makes sense. That being said, nobody's lynching me for at least the first few days of this game. I'm far too valuable!

On August 31 2013 06:50 geript wrote:
VE. I'm very disappoint in you. Don't you know I'm unlynchable. Well here let me tell you. I'm unlynchable. Go ahead and try, but you're not much more than kuso little fish. You'll see when I damn well please.

On August 31 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:

I would also like to hear this

On August 31 2013 07:25 strongandbig wrote:
HEY VE! I went through your filter and looked at every post where you mention geript.


bad

five more of the same:
+ Show Spoiler +
bad

oh wait this might be real

well, you don't actually provide reasons. your 1000% thing was obviously stupid and i see no actual comments on anything else geript has done. no idea why what geript is doing this game is different than the shitty shit he does every game.

+ Show Spoiler [talking with clarity] +
these posts are basically irrelevant, clarity's defense was dumb and ve's responses to it don't matter either. no reason geript's opening whatever would or should have been especially notable, it was someone who says dumb things saying a dumb thing at the start of the game.
+ Show Spoiler [more bads] +


Okay lets look at your history with geript.

The most recent game you and geript were both in was boardwalk empire. you were scum. doesn't count.

Then there's hydra mafia where you were hydras. doesn't count.

Prior to that was the game and TL LX. In the game, you and geript were both town. you never mention a read on him. but you do talk about him a few times, so it's possible that you got a town read through his obviousness.

Then there's LX where before you die:



Geript gets mislynched.

So you've played with geript in two games, both six or more months ago. One time you misread him and probably contributed to his mislynch. The other time you never mention what your read on him was.

+ Show Spoiler [more nothings] +

I'm calling bullshit on your geript push, VE. you've been yelling about lynching him all game, but no one's actually pushed back and you've never bothered to provide any reasons why he's scum. you've just been yelling at people. This isn't how you push a lynch effectively, it's how you distract and divide a town.

On August 31 2013 07:31 Blazinghand wrote:
VE I know you've got some stuff on your plate atm but if you have a moment I'm interested in what you think of my response

On August 31 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not getting lynched today Hiro. Even if you don't like me and want to lynch me, I'm still in the townier half of this town and it's sub-optimal to lynch me D1 regardless

On August 31 2013 07:54 HiroPro wrote:


Luckily, I don't need either of your approval!

On August 31 2013 10:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

I can only be so patient, luv muffin.
Eventually my desire for consolidation will overturn my fear of repercussions and I will be forced to change my vote. Can you give me some sort of a timeframe? Some reassurance? Anything at all? If whatever you're going to do will happen after the day deadline then it may already be predetermined.

And again if you ARE in fact town, why are you not at least attempting to help us out? Hell, even more than the meta case I have against you this is probably more damning and the reason most people are voting you (aside from the claim). Like, if you have some town-aligned power you can use when votes reach majority on you or something you essentially force a waste of a lynch today if you don't claim in some way.

On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!

Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town.

On August 31 2013 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote:

Well then I guess I remembered/assumed wrong. I've talked about policy lynching Oats in the past as well (Geript knows). Cora obviously agreed with that POV. Is there anyone at all who can read Oats properly?

On August 31 2013 11:03 debears wrote:
Hi guys. What's goin on. Whens da lynch

On August 31 2013 11:43 debears wrote:
Hey Wave what's all this qt stuff with master yi?

On August 31 2013 13:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Can we not lynch geript for being an asshole and noisy? Because that means hes town..............

On August 31 2013 22:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
I actually agree with what people said, if he is unlynchable then we'll be lacking a lot of info and will probably still have to shoot him. My first thought of "worst case scenario is we nolynch" wasn't terrible, but Felkyr has a pretty good chance of flipping scum, whereas I've started to think that it's unlikely that geript isn't unlynchable, regardless of alignment.

On September 01 2013 07:58 geript wrote:
BH is getting lynched.

On September 01 2013 08:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
im assuming with all the secretive shit going on there's a lot more QTs then just that black mesa one. I got a nice power but im pretty in the dark as a result it looks like

On September 04 2013 09:16 Clarity_nl wrote:
You were third party when you died, still third party?

On September 04 2013 09:16 HiroPro wrote:
sigh. go away VE. I'm going to die because of your dumb circle.

On September 04 2013 09:22 kitaman27 wrote:
Survivor reviving is terrible for us by the way. I really hope that wasn't a town action.

On September 04 2013 09:40 Stutters695 wrote:
VE, are you in Black Mesa?

On September 04 2013 09:59 VayneAuthority wrote:
think about things that are in our control though. Remember that hiropro dies tonight if the fate stays positive. I'm null on him so I don't really know what to say but if you have strong convictions about him you know what to do.

also some one should shoot anyone that last second switched onto geript/gave shitty reasoning for voting him

On September 04 2013 10:29 HiroPro wrote:
Oh wait VE, you can get rid of this circle on me right! Could you do that please

On September 04 2013 10:37 Cephiro wrote:


VE, up for a Vayne lynch tomorrow?

On September 05 2013 10:15 debears wrote:
##Vote Austincc

Nuff said

On September 05 2013 10:36 debears wrote:


Eh. I have gone through approx 60 pages of the thread. There are 150. I'm catching up slowly and surely to make sure I end the game with an awesome catch.

I'm a tortoise VE you gotta let me fly on this one!

On September 05 2013 11:25 debears wrote:


I'm surprised you are giving up on actually asking me why I read austin the way I do.

On September 06 2013 07:07 Risen wrote:
lol, this game. Two threads, one secret thread, anything else I'm missing. It honestly just isn't fun trying to keep track of everything, beyond the fact of how is someone supposed to scum hunt with such limited information. I say delkyr is scum because he's scummy as shit, he's cleared as green by a secret individual who didn't claim multicheck cop for fear of mafia retaliation in spite of being anonymous... what? Meanwhile Shiao has been given a hall pass.

Lynch fenyr, expose the bullshit in BM, move on.

On September 06 2013 11:25 ObviousOne wrote:
IT IS TIME FOR A SHOWDOWN.

On September 06 2013 11:41 ObviousOne wrote:
Put your horses back in the barn, there, Hiro. It's not a showdown til it's announced there's a fucking showdown.

On September 06 2013 13:12 AxleGreaser wrote:



Both of who?

On September 06 2013 14:15 Risen wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. Just so I'm straight.

debears activates his forced lynch ability > we are forced to choose between him and OO > here we are

or

OO activates forced lynch ability > we are forced to choose between him and debears

On September 07 2013 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I should be voting for debears no?
In case i am not:
##Vote: debears


Usually when people read people as 3p they are scum. Why not say he is scum instead?

It feels town to me because i think it was a purely a reaction to debears' claim.

On September 07 2013 07:29 AxleGreaser wrote:



I believe either they are both scum.... or OO wants me to think that.

It will take me several hours of poring over Debears posts to decide for sure.

I dont buy the emotional.. knee jerk reaction 'Oh I am being voted in a duel what do what do... I know lash out the mean man who voted/dueled me. '

For OO to not think through that if you win the duel now your power is wasted is just..... implausible (for OO)

On September 07 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Everyone in casket counts as not voting OO.

On September 07 2013 10:33 HiroPro wrote:

Vivax too.

On September 03 2013 13:10 Risen wrote:


Looks like me defending VE as scum when he was town doc in some game a long time ago.

On September 04 2013 15:01 Risen wrote:


I definitely wouldn't do it as scum. Definitely.

On September 07 2013 07:25 Risen wrote:


Why not....

This is something I would do in a fucking heartbeat.

On September 08 2013 02:38 Coagulation wrote:
did u just call me a fucking pig?

On September 11 2013 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

Lies.
LIES GOOD SIR.


Oh wait, you're right.

Sorry town, guess I was wrong about Axle, herp derp.
But MAYBE HE'LL THINK TWICE BEFORE TAKING ME ON AGAIN BWAHAHAHA
Or at the very least think twice before pulling random ass sneaky shit as town. I guess considering his role he wanted to look somewhat scummy?

I did promise some info on my role though so I suppose I can spare some. What say you, VE?

On September 12 2013 04:13 austinmcc wrote:
I think that the Black Mesa group in Aperture 2 was a neat idea, but didn't work well given that they were supposed to manipulate the list together and when crossfire died they couldn't shift people around (iirc).

I liked this version, but I think there might be some problems in any non-giant game with making it interesting. You need a certain number of shifting roles, scum probably needs 1-2, you maybe need a 3P that interacts with shifting, feels like it requires a large commitment if it's not a major focus of the game.

Heck, almost seems like you could build a Death Factory-esque game out of it. Player 1 gets lynched, people have abilities to move folks on the list, check slots next to them. I don't know that it's unique enough to not just be Death Factory, though.

Sometime in the future kitaman27 will write:
FTFY