Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On August 30 2013 15:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
How about how the fuck we're ever going to win this game with 12 people posting out of 30.
I'm so goddamn sick of lurk.
Geript if I could give you a gun and you'd fire 3 bullets into the air and they'd fall and land on some fucking useless chaff then I would.

On August 31 2013 12:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Things to respond to.

@Black Mesa Bullshit

So, from what I gather, BM is:

1) A separate QT organization thing with a bunch of people in it. Apparently there is no wincon or it is hidden or those people don't want to tell us?
2) Some scum are probably inside.

Not sure this is worth looking into right now.

@ Geript claim

Unlynchable. Lynching him provides no alignment-indicative information. He's either unlynchable townie OR unlynchable mafia. Let night actions take care of it, have someone shoot him in the face or something. I think lynching a guy who has the likelihood of being not-lynched is a bad play from a town perspective. Let's say we lynch him and he lives. VE and company will still be paranoid he's mafia that was 1-shot lynchproof or something. Paranoid is the worst enemy you can have in a mafia game, especially when GreYmist is involved. Flip him via bullets / electricity / fire, it's much more fun.

Now, onto who we should lynch today.

Risen

I called him out before for his bullshit. He is clearly reading the thread, by his comment on the "secret QT", but has given us naught a single read thus far. I'll give you my first crude post.

+ Show Spoiler +

Now, Risen's filter is short. He is mafia because he is very apprehensive about his actions. First, he flings shit at WoS, then after i pressure him, he gives this:





What is this supposed to mean? He doesn't care to point out "This is what is suspicious about CC, and I think he knows more than he should as town." He justifies it later by saying "Guys, it's just pressure NBD - read dat filter" Townies don't explicitly say "JUST PRESSURE GUYS!"

Then he pokes at Onegu:



How is this scumhunting at all? Risen doesn't seem to care about finding scum, but rather giving small post to subtly incriminate people. He's inactive and mafia.

On August 31 2013 16:27 randombum wrote:
So do you still think wos is anti-town?

On September 03 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:


Do you know something I don't? It seems pretty open and shut.



This is just... grasping at straws.

Kita can you clarify, does your role see actions that are attempted or actions that are actually done?

On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:
Ok I'm back.

First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early.

As he said
Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him.

And it doesn't help that he killed a townie.

Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player.

On September 03 2013 14:15 AxleGreaser wrote:


@Risen
So did you do anything with your interest?

or did you



Just turn up when the dust is pretty settled and say some stuff. that really doesn't let me see much about how your thinking.

If you were scum and there was really a town player trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make.
If you were scum and there was really a scum player who thought they were so 'caught scum' trolling that hard... that would be a very easy comment for scum to make.

Can you think of anything to do that would give me confidence you are town?

If geript is scum as you imply and the game is balanced, town is effectively at the first lynch they control.. so we could always try to lurker lynch you to see what happens.

On August 10 2013 05:44 Acrofales wrote:
Risen! Who do you want to kill. If you're a loyalist, you generally have good intuitions once you've settled down. If you're a Blackfyre you will just accuse your fellow conspirators. I want to know who you'd like to kill today! And please don't refer me to your earlier long discourse: I want an updated version!

On September 03 2013 21:18 Cephiro wrote:


You're just plain horrible. You're not even trying are you?

Flipflopping ain't scummy since when? Sure, if you have a good reason you can change your mind, but you constantly do without any. No, you have not contributed. Committing is not changing targets every few hours and saying "he's confirmed scum". Do you know what confirmed scum is? You should check up the word "confirmed" from a dictionary, might help out a bit. I have provided my reasons why you should die multiple times, I'm just reminding others that you really need to die. On the other hand, your question is hilarious. "Can you explain why I don't have a good reason to think you are scum?"

... LOL. Yeah, so you want me to make a case on myself so that you would have something to convince others with? You're just omgus-calling me scum but you're not doing shit about it. Because you don't care. You're scum and you don't care.

On September 04 2013 03:00 geript wrote:

For when I flip:
Oats for reasons I pointed out before. Everything still applies.
Rayn for defending Oats on completely bs reasons and filter length
Risen for being too obtuse to be town
Slam for not being fun to play with (anyone who's seen him play can spot easy differences). Obv not town.
WoS for this post. This is not town WoS. I've had weird feelings about him all game and this post solidifies my position that he's scum. Can't explain why I feel this way, but these reads on people (eg Mocsta in goldrush) have always been right.
There was one more I forgot. But pressure Randombum and Clarity.

Gassy is obv town and you guys will retardly sheep onto him no doubt. No reason for him not to double check if his action went through first before responding as scum.

I think giro is town but can't place why (not 100%) though. Kits is town too IMO and will die tonight.

On September 04 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote:
Another thing from BM chat I just caught a bit ago and got no response yet, master yi claimed Hiro is in BM chat. This has a ton of implications as there should be no way master yi knows hiro is in BM since I just rechecked hiros filter and there is no mention of BM.

On September 04 2013 05:10 randombum wrote:


Better as where before I had slam/hassy > risen it's not Risen> slam/hassy I'm still not fans of them. Are you purposely missing the point

On September 04 2013 06:44 HiroPro wrote:
An anonymous person who says that they're third party tells you with no proof that they somehow know I am in the Mesa QT and you believe them? Please tell me you guys aren't this bad -_-

Doesnt look like anyone is willing to vote obviousone so I'm voting for Risen.

##Unvote
##Vote Risen

On September 04 2013 08:20 Hassybaby wrote:


I'm starting to think that at least Geript's town. He's doing exactly what a townie should do; get as many reads as you can before you're going to get killed.

Hell, kill me if you want. Keep Geript. You'll probably get more information from my flip than his

On September 04 2013 08:33 Hassybaby wrote:
Np, we're martyring for each other.

After my flip, DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER GOING AFTER KITA. Everything he's done is logical and has good basis behind it, plus his responses are intelligent.

Instead, have a look at people who either a) defended me instantly without me giving much of an explanation (way too easy towncred when i flip) like Oats, or those who totally took out the possibility that I fucked up.

Also look at Felkyr. Placing a vote "(to even out the distribution between three largest picks"? Really? That's fully setting up for a mislynch

On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:


Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch?
Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter.

And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.

On September 04 2013 08:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Well one minute to defense myself here goes

On September 04 2013 09:00 Alakaslam wrote:
Abra kadabra Alakaslam

On September 04 2013 14:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kita is confirmed town by the way, in case anyone was having lingering doubts DON'T. I toyed with the notion, but there's simply no conceivable reason for Kita to share all that info with town like that if he were scum. In fact, medics should probably be on Kita tonight because he's so very close to confirmed town.

On September 04 2013 15:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
The question is whether Kita would. I think not.

On September 04 2013 16:39 Koshi wrote:

Grtz on killing Hassy and not killing Slam geript!!!!
You are bad and you should feel bad.

(if hassy flips scum you are lucky & bad)

On September 05 2013 01:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Agree fully on OO. Risen good lynch, rayn decent.

But we lynch Alakaslam tomorrow if Hassy flips green. If scum lynch austin.

On September 05 2013 02:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


You haven't done anything that I can remember or have been useful in anyway. You're a policy lynch along with others that haven't done garbs.

On September 05 2013 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Are you caught up yet, or will you continue to be useless?

On September 05 2013 02:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


I'm finally getting you to do things! Yes!

I've been telling people to lynch Alakaslam for ages but nobody is listening to me. Felkyr is still scum, and he didn't vote for Slam so that makes things better. I didn't think Geript could have been scum because that power is stupidly OP for mafia to have in my opinion. I've never been in a game with a vote rigger before.

Inactive people are scum because not all the active people can be. There has to be at least 2-3 scum hiding in the list of OO/random/risen/coag/stutters/shaio/ etc.

On September 05 2013 03:12 Clarity_nl wrote:


I think that's koshi's point. People putting so much cred in an anonymous claimed third party is ridiculous.

On September 06 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why would you roleblock a dude who has a green check on him?

On September 06 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Felkyr if you are town you should stop apologizing.
Do you have other scumreads than Slam?
What do you think of Risen's statement that both of Slam/Mr.CC are scum?

On September 06 2013 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why should we lynch Felkyr then?

On September 06 2013 05:25 Stutters695 wrote:
Well on the plus side I feel pretty safe saying Austin isn't scum with a sleeper type role. Risen you want to lynch him despite the green check?

On September 06 2013 12:40 AxleGreaser wrote:
In other news... (thread)

Cheesecake has still not responded to why he visited Kita?

On September 06 2013 13:59 ObviousOne wrote:

"force us" lol

Anyone reading this shit? Lynch him tomorrow.

On September 06 2013 14:07 Felkyr wrote:



Wait, wouldn't it always be better to first try to lynch someone before you shoot him? In the least you get more information.

On September 06 2013 14:16 Felkyr wrote:


And it's good to blindly shoot town who happened to have a bad read? Everyone in this game should have been shot already then.

On September 07 2013 02:15 austinmcc wrote:
Abdicating defending yourself and nirvana striking right then does NOT feel solid/logical. Actually being in thread and posting like this seems solid and logical.

Ugh. Gonna go read OO deeper.

Risen, if you're around, wtf is this

On September 07 2013 02:40 Risen wrote:

I don't know what you're not getting. The line of thinking is easy to follow. OO is lying > debears isn't dead and we lynched a liar. OO is telling the truth revealed when he dies > debears is dead let's not waste a lynch on a confirmed death.

Also, why/how did OO know he was going to live long enough to use his day-vig ability? Doesn't seem like a dayvig would rely on living so long.

On September 07 2013 06:35 Clarity_nl wrote:
Risen saying there's 5 people that claimed scum (and OO and debears are both scum)
Am I understanding you right?

On September 07 2013 02:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Clarity, Risen's point is wrong. Whatever debears' alignment is, it does not make OO scum/town. If we lynch OO "to make sure scum dies" that's retarded. We lynch one of those two. The one who is more likely to flip mafia, regardless of their claimed powers.

On September 07 2013 02:44 Clarity_nl wrote:


So you're really 100% on him flipping scum?



This is a good point.

UGH

On September 07 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't understand why a scum vig would rely on living so long. There are so few of them and so many townies - it seems like scum would be more inclined to use their shot wildly. See Chezinu LXI or whatever.

On September 07 2013 06:38 austinmcc wrote:
What?

If both are scum, then scumdebears challenges scumOO ... for the town cred. If he gets OO lynched and OO ACTUALLY dayvigs debears, then scum just gave up TWO scum players for nothing.

So ... you think that either OO's dayvig is fake (debears kills OO, gets towncred, and OO was scum so who cares if he lied about the vig) [b]or you think ... debears is TRYING to get himself lynched so that OO looks good?

On September 07 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
No one is disagreeing that his shot is fucking dumb. But as you say it would make it even more certain that we would lynch him, where's the scum motivation there? Is debears really the best shot for scum OO to make if he was just going to peace out? Like, there's no thought there, just raw emotional shot. Wouldn't a scum dayvig select a better target? It's just pure emotion.
Too many things just don't make sense for OO to be scum in this situation

On September 07 2013 07:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
So now you're saying scum OO dayvigged debears with the expectation of possibly getting debears lynched? I realize that's happening but that's not something you foresee. Either you believe scum OO gave up and shot debears (a bad target) or town OO making an emotional play and shooting his scumread.
You can't tell me this is scum OO expecting to survive, that makes NO sense.

On September 07 2013 07:25 Clarity_nl wrote:


Explain this please, this seems to only make sense if they're both scum.

On September 07 2013 07:26 Clarity_nl wrote:


Yeah, which only makes sense if they're both scum which I do not buy. If they're both scum there was no need to fake a dayvig shot.

On September 07 2013 07:29 austinmcc wrote:
^

This whole time all I can do is remember CT mafia and your fake claim that turned out to work in your favor. I don't know that you're the go-to guy for sensible scum play.

On September 07 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Risen's all about telling us what he would do if he were scum. I find that a little alarming. I can't verbalize why.

On September 07 2013 07:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
fuck it, I wanna sleep and not wake up to no lynch tmr...
##unvote
##vote: debears

if he aint red I am gonna be pissed.

On September 07 2013 07:45 ShiaoPi wrote:
oh wait we are not just ten with deadlock on
fuck my brain isnt working right now.
looks like some still need to vote in that case we still might get OO.
##unvote
##vote: ObviousOne

I am out

On September 08 2013 11:42 Stutters695 wrote:
How does that prove anything?

On September 09 2013 03:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

His overall play and cases exactly match his play from GoT.

On September 09 2013 07:45 Cephiro wrote:
I have not claimed that. But I'll give it looks very good for you if the other person is not going to come forth. To the extent you've described your role it sounds like you don't have anything very powerful you can do. A 1 for 1 trade at this point is really good in my opinion, I don't see how someone could argue against that. Assuming rayn is scum and this other person (if he exists) is town, the claim should be made.

There is also a very small possibility (highly unlikely, but never rule out a sick play in mafia), that stutters/rayn are both scum/3p/a mix of the above, and are playing to get rayn towncred by claiming there is this other pokemon dude that never even comes out. Very unlikely, but possible.

On September 09 2013 08:07 cakepie wrote:
How can anyone be sure that there are exactly two pokemon characters who are necessarily of opposite alignment and that both are pokemon trainers battling one another throughout the game? As far as I can tell this is simply an assumption by rayn. Whether you trust his red claim or not is one matter. Whether his assumption is true or not is a different issue altogether - and note that there are multiple parts to the assumption which all have to hold true before you can reliably act using it as a basis.

As far as I can remember we've seen arguments like these brought up so far:
a) rayn might be scum making false town claim while setting up to kill the actual townie pokemon character
b) rayn is actually pokemon battling vs the hosts

I don't see enough information to draw firm conclusions yet. (a) may be true or false. (b) could be also be true, or false, or heck, what about two town pokemon trainers, because who knows what Greymist is capable of doing to mess with us. One thing is clear to me is that if rayn is town, there is entirely the possibility that he got so emotionally invested in his pokemon battles and the death of pikachu that he's fallen into this tunnel of his pokemon world foe even before knowing who it might be or considering the full range of possibilities.

rayn, if you're town, take a moment and cool your head. you're setting up to tunnel someone that you haven't even identified yet, with incomplete information.

---

Austin, you somehow survived the night and now we need some answers. You've outed the number of your members. Presumably, you'd have recruited one more, unless you somehow forgot or got blocked or something. It looked like you were looking for a suitable way to utilize what is basically a consensus vig shot at night, which would have been fine with me, but then it turned out last minute that you were trying some kind of shenannies. What are you up to?

I'd ask "how are you still alive?" too, but it's clear that scum have 2 NK and decided to prioritize vs Onegu's watcher role and ShiaoPi's mason/vig, especially since you don't seem to be keen to actually shoot.

---

Sorry to have missed you. Went out for drinks with friends shortly after the flip and hang out till late, spent the earlier part of today rest and recovering. Catch you later, hopefully when you're not completely running on caffeine and little else. (It shows)

On September 09 2013 09:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Sup dudes, haitus over. Who are we lynching today? I saw Mr. Z is scum and we are hammering him with something, which sounds good to me. Nobody listened to me that he was scum, but now I can be proven right just like with Slam.

On September 10 2013 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote:

Who are you talking to?

On September 10 2013 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yes, and right now Axle is leading in votes.
To say he's not actually going to be lynched is naive.
I wouldn't be surprised at this point if he delays claiming until he can force a last minute voteswitch in his favour.

On September 10 2013 04:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

This is the most hypocritical bullshit ever.
You accuse me of leaving my vote on someone useless yet you're the only person voting for Zentor right now, who as the thread has been informed, is already supposed to die today. Is there something you know that we don't?

On September 10 2013 04:40 HiroPro wrote:
Because they're trying to look useful.

On September 10 2013 05:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what the fuck should we do? Lynch Axle or no-lynch?

On September 10 2013 06:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I still think axle is town, I dunno about hiro but I think zentor is gonna flip scum and that would make hiro town.
We really should consolidate, but interest in randombum seems to be going away because of the austin check that MIGHT happen??

I'm really tempted to just lynch into one of the 3p claims because this is just ridiculous.

On September 10 2013 06:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
But Hiro and Axle are terrible lynches. Axle really does not look like scum to me, and Hiro will be cleared if zentor flips scum.
How about some shenanigans and we lynch Risen?

On September 10 2013 06:22 Risen wrote:
Prior to this you warmed him up to it by saying "It has to be done instantly." So he probably knew he'd have to potentially use it on a teammate and they had probably already discussed that he would get max town cred from using it instantly as instructed.

Town Cephiro isn't stupid, and I'm not the smartest person to ever play this game. This is three year old logic and not pointing it out is scummy as shit. So scum team MrZ, Cephiro, Hiro?

On September 10 2013 06:27 Cephiro wrote:



I can't describe my feelings with words alone. Obviously I must have shot one scumbuddy, gave items to two others, just so that the second one could kill the third one with that item.

On September 10 2013 06:30 Clarity_nl wrote:


I believe that one of mrz or hiro is scum but not both. Probably one of the 3p claims like Risen or WoS.
I really don't see axle flipping red, though.

On September 10 2013 08:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
At least i get to call Cephiro bad if we lose because of this..

On September 10 2013 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hans fucking landa and now edward elric I will always fucking survive

Town if you lynch scumaxle ill reveal all my shit just for you.

On September 10 2013 09:47 MrZentor wrote:
This shouldn't be news

On September 11 2013 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Terrible call for town to lynch Axle yesterday imo.
Were you guys too afraid to lynch one of us and buy time in case we were unlynchable or something?
It's like VE and I were not even an option! (Thanks for that btw Cheese )

On September 11 2013 12:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
And Dandel for being the only one to read me as scum.
I'm pretty happy with how I played this game =]

On September 11 2013 12:44 Clarity_nl wrote:


Too many 3p claims bro. Why you no call me scummy if it's clear?

BTW Axle was fucking town, oozing green. Those who said you can't read/understand his posts are probably not even reading his posts.