Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2

On August 28 2013 16:03 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alakaslam, I'm going to say this in advance.
I think I may have to ignore you this game, so I hope you're town.
I just can't understand you.
I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
Ever.

On August 30 2013 09:47 VisceraEyes wrote:

Do you dislike my reasoning? I never claimed to be 1000% sure, but I think my reasoning is pretty sound. :/

On August 30 2013 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote:

BULLSHIT YOU CONFIRMED HIM AS TOWN BY MODKILLING HIS HYDRA PARTNER FOR NOT USING A USELESS HYDRA THREAD THAT THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE USED ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY HAD A SCUM QT BH

YOU MODCONFIRMED SCUM AS TOWN BH GET OVER IT

On August 30 2013 10:03 Blazinghand wrote:
slam have we played in a game together before

On August 30 2013 10:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

Shut up.

On August 30 2013 10:19 Blazinghand wrote:


Given that your plan this game is literally to troll because everyone is "out to get you" and you want to get even with people, I think it's fair to say you telling other people to stop being a dick is uh

well it's bad. like you.

On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

On August 30 2013 10:26 geript wrote:
@WoS I need a number on a scale from 1 to bitch please.

On August 30 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:


Cora as a jester role? I guess this is similar to how jester-cora would play (make enemies and so on). This seems like a pretty normal setup though so I doubt there will be anything 3p or jester-like.

On August 30 2013 10:26 Blazinghand wrote:
The thing is cora I don't think this is alignment indicative. You're giving shit reasons and swearing at people would definitely be scum aligned (Trying to shit up the thread) if it weren't for the fact that I know you. I know how butthurt you get, how emotional you get, how irrational you are. How all the drama on TL Mafia just HAPPENS to swirl around you. You're clearly butthurt and don't even want to admit it, because let's be real here: you have no reason to be a dick to wave (even if he too is being a dick) and saying "fuck you" and your policy shit on Oats doesn't make sense. You're playing against town/thread cohesion which is fairly impressive given how hard it is to do that when the game is barely begun.

Three theories, none of which you like
1) cora is scum
2) cora is really really mind bogglingly bad
3) cora is butthurt

one of these fits quite well with your personality

On August 30 2013 17:21 Koshi wrote:

We got role PMs ages ago.

Dis Clarity trolling is making me uncomfortable. y u not 110% serious? I thought that was your weakness.

On August 30 2013 10:40 Blazinghand wrote:


I think I probably know cora better than you do. honestly the reason I'm antagonizing him is because 1) it's super hilarious to do so, and 2) his response to my antagonism will be telling of his alignment (even after he reads this). Since I didn't make a read on him based on his initial anger, I figured escalating was the best way to determine just how deep the butthurtitude goes. Cora's response to this will be alignment-indicative. He's not good enough to prevent it from being alignment-indicative, even after reading this paragraph.

On August 31 2013 00:24 Felkyr wrote:
Hi guys. Sorry about me being late and acting as a 'lurker'. I've caught up with the thread now.

What I would like to elaborate on is the Null Talisman. It's the first item we've seen and I think it might be potentially very dangerous (or good of course). Now that Koshi has revealed it, it will surely come into play fast.

Some thoughts:
1) Why did Koshi reveal it? It might be that it blocks his role in some way. Of course, he could just have given it away then anonymously. But now it makes him appear town?
2) Can we trust Clarity to give him the item? I would be very careful with that.
3) On the other hand, now it is revealed, we can be quite sure scum will be after it. If there is about 6 scum (?), there might be a thief and someone who can use it in their advantage.
4) If scum would want to steal the item, how many nights would it take for them to actually use it? One night to steal, one night to give to someone who can use it, one night to actually use it. That's a long time.
5) Has someone a better idea on how the item exchange works? When Koshi gives the item away and it gets stolen on the same night, what happens first? That which is PMed first?

On another note, I don't understand Slam at all. But I have the feeling he says important things in his posts.

On August 30 2013 13:26 geript wrote:
Yes I could. No I won't. You wouldn't understand the differences unless you had a good understanding of him.

On August 31 2013 03:26 kitaman27 wrote:
Did you come to a conclusion on cora based on your interaction with him BH?

On August 31 2013 03:25 Blazinghand wrote:

so you're saying you don't think cephiro is scum any more because I posted a case against him?

On August 31 2013 03:32 Cephiro wrote:
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In this paragraph you are simply twisting my words to make me look worse. I said my honest opinion, if you do not agree, feel free to argue otherwise. I feel this is a very relevant sentence:


If one is town, why would the feel the need of chit-chatting with everyone? Concentrate on what you feel is off, give it strong pressure (not tunneling), and gain more information. Do you not agree it is more useful to pressure someone you consider anti-town rather than talk a little about everything and commit to nothing?

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You misunderstood. People that have played with me in the past know that I absolutely hate players who are trying to go by "meta" instead of playing the game. It's not like anyone can't change their style on purpose or do something unexpected, or even pretend to do the same as before to mislead others. I have at no point said "I don't think geript is scum". I have clearly come out with my intent of wanting him dead.

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I feel like this last point is very lacking. I stated why it seemed anti-town in my opinion. For some it can be a scumtell, for some not. You can never be sure, but the way he acted about it was one of the reasons I felt he is anti-town.

Overall BH, I'm a bit disappointed in your case. Could you just not find more things you could try to paint as anti-town or why does it feel that your case is merely throwing a rock in my direction? You didn't even vote for me in the vote thread. It's good to have your eyes open, but if you're looking for anything else than town, you're looking at the wrong direction.

On August 31 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:

I would also like to hear this

On August 31 2013 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'd like your thoughts on Wave plx.

On August 31 2013 07:31 Blazinghand wrote:
VE I know you've got some stuff on your plate atm but if you have a moment I'm interested in what you think of my response

On August 31 2013 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:

not to be all like on that idea, but there is the possibility that geript is scum but also isn't unlynchable-- so it's actually a fake claim

On August 31 2013 07:37 Blazinghand wrote:
He could be hoping to avoid being lynched in hopes of being vigied instead, and his team has a mafia medic they can just use on him (since he'll be catching N1 bullets). Alternatively, he could be a weird 3p role that wants to get... shot? Certainly in the example of a non-lynchproof non-town geript there are many reasons he might want to just live through D1 and make it to N2.

On August 31 2013 07:54 HiroPro wrote:


Luckily, I don't need either of your approval!

On August 31 2013 02:53 Blazinghand wrote:


Cora was almost certainly town. I will say this, to his credit: He responded in a fashion which I had not predicted. Not bad given how meta I went on him. Re: dandel's suggestion-- nothing really to make of it. He could easily be a different alignment, and in fact, that sounds like the exact sort of thing GreyMist would do. His first few posts were bad but he's picked up steam which seems pretty normal for a day 1, especially a day 1 in a hyoooj themed game like this. I don't think he's particularly worth my attention going forwards



I think people are forgetting that what I said re: Cora was almost certainly a soft defense. I wasn't attacking him! I was pointing out that his actions weren't inherently scummy because he was, erm, "butthurt" about certain players. I was giving the dude an out. I was expecting him to either get really mad, thereby demonstrating his serious madditude, or to say to me "oh shiii dude you're right i was hecka mad"

In any case you guys might interpret this as mean old Blazinghand being scum and trolling someone literally out of the game, but everything I said about cora was also literally correct. Contrast how I interacted with TPS that one time when I was Wade Fell. Not saying that I couldn't change my shit up, as I am a master of trickery, but my stuff on cora? SPOT ON.



Have you played with Felkyr before? because if you had you'd be 100% ok with this post

On August 31 2013 10:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case you can think that I masterminded some plot to get cora to go full on babby tier cryface and bail from this game but what purpose could that possibly serve as any alignment? It sure made me look bad, and since he's been replaced we have no idea if DI's role is the same as his role. Even if I was scum and trying to make cora quit, HE GOT REPLACED ANYWAYS. It's not like I've eliminated a townie. In fact, given that Cora was replaced by dandel ion, who is infinitely more competent and somewhat more level-headed, I'd say it was a net improvement.

In fact, you should be THANKING me from defending cora so hard he ragequitted the game and all of TL Mafia, cause now we have DI instead.

On August 31 2013 10:28 Blazinghand wrote:
In fact, I'll go even further: It's not alignment-neutral!

Now, I know personally that I didn't expect him to ragequit. But, assuming you think I thought cora would think of me as a bully and ragequit need to be replaced, it naturally follows that my moves were very townie. Consider: there were still replacements on the replacements list. Both of them were better players than cora. In a world where I'm scum and cora is town (because let's be real here, if we were both scum we'd be collaborating out-of-thread and he wouldn't have ragequitted), why do I want cora to ragequit? If I'm some scummy mastermind and can make cora dance on strings I control by knowing his personality, wouldn't I want to keep him in the game? Influence over a townie (say, suggesting that other people are bullying him and he should vote them) is valuable for scum! No, if I KNEW that what I said would make cora quit, I'd have to be CRAZY to do that as scum! This is evidence that I am town.

On August 31 2013 10:32 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm not saying this is a reason I'm town-- I definitely didn't think cora was going to think I was bullying him and gonna ragequit. But if you think I thought cora was going to think I was bullying him, it logically follows that I'm town. That being said, I DEFINITELY did NOT think cora was going to think I was bullying him.

On August 31 2013 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Clarity who should i vote for? I have missed like everything because i went to smoke a cig yesterday and left my keys in and couldn't get back until an hour ago. :/

On September 01 2013 05:38 Blazinghand wrote:
we still need one more vote!

On September 01 2013 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

Not you, Geript.

On September 01 2013 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm not getting lynched today.

On September 01 2013 08:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why everyone's all up on me for low D1 activity as though that's some kind of scumtell, as though I've ever done that as scum besides in parallel worlds mafia

On September 01 2013 08:03 Blazinghand wrote:


when geript flips scum you will bow down before me

On September 01 2013 08:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why everyone's all up on me for low D1 activity as though that's some kind of scumtell, as though I've ever done that as scum besides in parallel worlds mafia

On September 01 2013 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:


If you really are a vigi, and you think shooting me is the best thing to do given your read on me, read Les Mis mafia, the game people are referencing regarding my ability to perform under pressure as town, and take a look at my D1 activity.

On September 01 2013 08:18 Blazinghand wrote:
actually, tgere's also the possibility that he just kills everyone who's voting him, which would be kinda LOL. I'll do it though. I'll do it for the lols

I hope this works!

##unvote
##vote AxleGreaser

On September 01 2013 08:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are Cephiro and Hiro so against axle's plan?

On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively

On September 01 2013 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I think they'll lie though. They won't say "it's because I'm scum and I don't want the plan to succeed" they'll say something else

On September 01 2013 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:


I'm sorry

What I mean to say is, I can't imagine a reason NOT to go along with AG's plan. It seems like he's aware of the risks and has chosen wisely. Geript is getting lynched anyways. His power won't help the people voting him, it seems to be that he gets information about those people. If you think I'm scum, you shoudl be EAGER for me to follow AG's plan, right?

On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision.

On September 01 2013 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:
If AG's claim is fake, it's fake-- but the end result for the day will be the same: Geript is lynched. He's at 20 votes right now, and I'll be standing by right up until the deadline in case people start to swap off of him. If necessary, I will abort the AG plan and vote for Geript, but ONLY if it looks like the lynch won't happen unless I do so.

On September 01 2013 08:38 WaveofShadow wrote:

I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it.

On September 01 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:



I'd say Hiropro and shiaopi

On September 01 2013 08:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't think he's talking about you here.

On September 01 2013 08:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
What is Axles power, do we know? I can't be fucked to read every post of his.

On September 01 2013 06:40 geript wrote:

So let me get this right, you know about the unlynchable claim but haven't read the thread... Bullshit