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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:10 Dandel Ion wrote: wtf of course geript is going to flip scum it's actually 100% Could you explain this to me? Trying to think about him just wraps me up in a bunch of wifom. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Dandel can you build a more recent case on kita? I've been wavering back and forth on him and I'm really not sure where to lean. I'll re-read his filter at some point as well. Actually, there are so many fucking lynch candidates right now we're going to have trouble as is D2...... i'll do that tomorrow | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:17 MrZentor wrote: The mafia had more to lose this lynch than normal, so they probably would have taken more risks this time, which would have included voting for the other candidate. + Show Spoiler + assuming geript is scum+ Show Spoiler + I feel like I have to say this in every post or else one of you will be like OMG ZENuTRS KNOWS GERIPT IS SCUM SO HE SCUM Wait hold on a sec. Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH? What did mafia have to lose at all? | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:19 mkfuba07 wrote: Could you explain this to me? Trying to think about him just wraps me up in a bunch of wifom. he's not looking for scum he's used a voterig to kill off a (sometimes) good townie he's not looking for scum HAVE YOU READ HIS FILTER he's not looking for scum he's used a voterig to kill off a (sometimes) good townie he's not looking for scum | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:19 mkfuba07 wrote: Could you explain this to me? Trying to think about him just wraps me up in a bunch of wifom. I just explained it fuba. Geript as town is a pretty good player and really puts effort in to win a game. Have you seen any of that thus far? I know I had the same argument regarding BH but at least BH's posts looked towny. What does the idea of town-Geript have going for him? Absolutely nothing. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm pretty sure at this point it is. If Geript was town he would have immediately tried to make up for his failure to lynch 'scum BH.' Zentor's defense does make a certain amount of sense but yeah like Fuba said, if scum were to jump on somebody for suspicious voting activity on D1 I really thought I'd be primary target. Look at Axlegreaser hounding me, for example. Why is 'abstaining' from the vote more acceptable? If everybody except for the people voting for geript abstained(equally distributed their votes among the other players), geript would still die. Mafia needed for people to vote for felkyr to save geript, which is why abstaining is more acceptable. + Show Spoiler + assuming geript is mafia | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait hold on a sec. Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH? What did mafia have to lose at all? WOOWWWWWWWWWW, does anybody read my posts, at all? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:22 MrZentor wrote: If everybody except for the people voting for geript abstained(equally distributed their votes among the other players), geript would still die. Mafia needed for people to vote for felkyr to save geript, which is why abstaining is more acceptable. + Show Spoiler + assuming geript is mafia On September 02 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait hold on a sec. Why would any mafia bother voting for anyone else at all if they knew Geript was going to just change everybody's vote to BH? What did mafia have to lose at all? Dude. A mafia vote-rigger Geript was going to change everyone's votes anyway. How does voting for felkyr save Geript at all?!?! Your argument doesn't even make any sense to begin with. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:24 MrZentor wrote: WOOWWWWWWWWWW, does anybody read my posts, at all? No. It doesn't make any sense. That ability is massive and there is no way Geript would just toss that out there after scum had thrown their votes down and fuck his team over. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS i think Zentor is saying mafia tried to push Felkyr lynch BEFORE it was sure geript will get lynched. Nope, not buying it. Geript claimed unlynchable at 6:50 KST Aug 31 TL time. The only people voting him at this point were Oats/Cheese/Dandel. Cheese switched his vote 11 min before the claim. Maybe, MAYBE this argument can make sense for Oats and Dandel since they voted Felkyr much earlier, but do we assume Geript just sprung the idea in thread without mentioning it in scum QT and allowed his scumbuddy Cheese to vote elsewhere first? (Not to mention there is no way Dandel is scum anyway, but that's besides the point.) How about the other 4 on Zentor's list? How do they fit in exactly? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
Reading up on the latest stuff makes me think Clarity is town, but Mr. Z isn't so scummy like he says. He's doing pre flip association cases, in this case if geript is mafia then the felkyr wagon has scummers on it. That's just bad play, not scum play persay. MZ is pretty null, and strikes me as not confident in his reads early on in the game. I suppose I can relate, as a town player I struggled to push reads all the time to lynch. The only problem with Z's play is that he's like "my reads 99% suck so don't listen to me" which isnt that townie. Hes scummy side of null at best. felkyr/risen are decently scummy, and rather inactive. Felkyr has spoken up moreso but i wouldnt mind hanging him still based on gut. Idk about shaio id rather lynch hiro over him. Oats could be scum here based on calling yamato scum when i got the exact oppoaite read from D1. Yamato is town because he never calls me town as scum, just yells at me. I think SnB is town too but I wont say why just yet. Off the top of my head Id say the best lynches for tomorrow are Hiro, Oats, Felkyr, risen, + alakaslam for undreadable. Sorry for spelling mistakrs and brevity phone posting from work is totes garbs. If I die make sure felkyr and risen both die at some point bc one or both of them is mafia, i can feel it in my bones. I drink lots of milk and my bones are healthy and feel stuff correctly. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Why the fuck would scum EVER go all-in to try and save a scumbuddy that early in the day? No scum has ever or will ever play like that. Zentor's suspicions are awful. Not sure if it makes him scum, but it's shit. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:40 WaveofShadow wrote: (Not to mention there is no way Dandel is scum anyway, but that's besides the point.) Please can someone explain this while making sense. All these townreads on dandel I just don't get it. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:26 WaveofShadow wrote: No. It doesn't make any sense. That ability is massive and there is no way Geript would just toss that out there after scum had thrown their votes down and fuck his team over. Assuming geript is mafia, there are two possibilities for the end of the day, because scum are going to use geript's ability if scum is about to get lynched. 1) A townie gets lynched. 2) Geript uses his ability Let's look at this from scum's perspective. Beginning of day: Things are going well. Half way through the day: OH NO! People are voting for geript, we should start voting for another candidate so he doesn't have to use his ability!!!! Eight hours later: Yay! Felkyr nearly has as many votes for him as geript does! Four hours later: Agh people are voting for geript!! We had better switch quickly! End of the day: We should have geript use his ability instead of dying. If we had known from the beginning that geript would have to use his ability regardless of what we did, we wouldn't have tried to save him. But WoS doesn't understand that the mafia can't predict the future | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:42 MrZentor wrote: Assuming geript is mafia, there are two possibilities for the end of the day, because scum are going to use geript's ability if scum is about to get lynched. 1) A townie gets lynched. 2) Geript uses his ability Let's look at this from scum's perspective. Beginning of day: Things are going well. Half way through the day: OH NO! People are voting for geript, we should start voting for another candidate so he doesn't have to use his ability!!!! Eight hours later: Yay! Felkyr nearly has as many votes for him as geript does! Four hours later: Agh people are voting for geript!! We had better switch quickly! End of the day: We should have geript use his ability instead of dying. If we had known from the beginning that geript would have to use his ability regardless of what we did, we wouldn't have tried to save him. But WoS doesn't understand that the mafia can't predict the future People were voting Geript because HE CLAIMED UNLYNCHABLE AND DREW EVERYONE TO VOTE FOR HIM. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On September 02 2013 05:41 Clarity_nl wrote: Please can someone explain this while making sense. All these townreads on dandel I just don't get it. From my understanding, Dandel is the most incompetent scum to ever play the game. He always plays the same exact way, which essentially consists of claiming mafia and refusing to post. He is also incapable of changing his play from game to game. Therefore, he must be town. I'd still be perfectly happy to see him killed. As for my read on Zentor, I don't follow his logic, but I don't find it malicious at this point. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I hate that argument but ugh. | ||
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