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On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 01 2013 07:02 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 01 2013 06:54 Cephiro wrote:
@Axle
I am going to change on my vote if you will stick with those three. I am not understanding either this or the EBWOP. TBMK. Cephiro: is currently voting for Geript. Thats where i want Cephiros vote: Id like some other townies to consiolidate onto geript so that BH Clarity and VE can safely vote swap to me. (remember vote stealers) I dont want or need any other votes on me. I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others. Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi?
Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh.
I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so.
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On September 01 2013 07:13 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:10 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 01 2013 06:57 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 01 2013 06:55 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 01 2013 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
Caught up. Felkyr seems to be putting in an effort so I'm fine with him around.
Consolidating I guess, although my kneejerk response was to test the unlynchable claim, the more I thought about it the less it made sense.
I think dandel is a good lynch, but since my case there's been no interest so I don't think I'll get 15 votes. If I'm wrong please let me know, we do have 3 hours left after all.
##Unvote
##Vote geript @Clarity Consolidating is great. if we have the breathing room please if you think its safe to swap your vote to me at the end. (see my previous posts) @everyone (who is town) unless you have your own plans consolidating is great. Also if you consolidate then Clarity VE and BH can swap to vote for me. Oh I kinda forgot about this. Do you need all three of us? And is there a reason you choose those three? The stated reason is that I trust you three to get the shenanigans right and correctly allow for vote stealers etc.... aka perceived SKILL It is not a three or nothing thing. (I wont even cry if I get no votes today) It is not worth messing up the lynch. (hence a skill requirement) Alright well I see no reason not to. I'm around at lynchtime. I'll make sure there is a big enough gap between geript and anyone else, and if there is I'll switch my vote to you a bit before deadline.
ta. NOT between geript and anyone ELSE
This is MAJORITY. We need "With 31 alive it takes 16 to lynch. "
please be sure there is a big enough gap between geript and the 16 required to Lynch.
Sheesh.
(If plausible numbers of vote stealers swappers (what evers) pull the vote under 16 Id expect a no lynch?)
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
btw WoS
why am I scum? Tell me, I am curious
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axle I'm intrigued by your shenaniplan and would be willing to provide more "breathing room" on the geript wagon, but I'm not sure why you'd pick BH in light of geript's threat to voterig/redirect/whatever the lynch onto BH?
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On September 01 2013 07:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:10 austinmcc wrote:
##vote: geript
Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that.
I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA. Ohai Austin. Why? Personal read on kita is that he plays solid, isn't afraid to mercilessly hound people. He was all over my ass in that PTP game, even as a mafia-aligned 3P. CT mafia memory is fuzzy but I think I remember him being on people there. In...another PTP game he was scum with gonzaw and marvellosity, and during N1 I read his filter and realized he basically played townie early on, then went blank, just coasting on his early posts.
That's how he's played today. Start with some reads/comments, move heavy into the speculation game. Once you pass the initial "real stuff" gate in his filter, I see a lot of Black Mesa speculation, and not much else beyond the one big reads post. That post DOES read like someone doing work, but then he asks for opinions on any of the other individuals, doesn't really get them, his BIG WORK post gets buried, and he's got no issues with that. If he just posted a buncha scum reads and wanted comment, he'd be trying to drum up comment, trying not to have his reads buried, imo. He can be very forceful and can take over a thread, instead he's happy with all the geript jazz going on.
ShiaoPi entered with a vote on WoS for reasons that weren't given, and I always always hate those votes. Actually, I don't want ShiaoPi killed yet. Hold off on that, he needs to be a lynch option on a later day and not a shot.
VA starts the day scumhunting. Great. Wonderful. A+. VA then, under what I consider not nearly enough scrutiny, claims a role that is SUPER anti-getting-nightkilled, and I presume that while town has KP, scum has more night KP.
(1) I don't like the timing on his claim. That role is HUGE if you're town and think you have great reads (which is what he's been spamming before). It's ASS if you reveal it.
(2) His post-claim behavior is to continue poking at his reads (townie) into ... nothing. If his claim is truthful, then scum really don't want to have to nightkill him, they want to leave him alive and in thread (assuming his reads are decent/it's not endgame). His play after his claim plays right into that - don't continue pressure, don't build reads, don't force discussion, just claim early and shut down, more or less. I think that if his claim were truthful, his post-claim conduct would be the opposite.
Dislike the claim + think his play doesn't support the claim. Despite actually giving some scumreads and pushing earlier in the day, he then shuts down, even as Felkyr picks up some votes today. Either he's scum or he's trying to pull something by fakeclaiming imo, and last time he did that it helped get me killed. Boo.
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On August 31 2013 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read
##Vote: WaveofShadow This makes me feel like I picked the right lurker. Also HAI GUISE I BACK Things that made me go WTF while I was catching up: Vayne's roleclaim Onegu's roleclaim Alakaslam That is all.
On September 01 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Clarity:
I have some suspicion on WoS mainly due to the way he entered the thread at the beginning, dont have much in regards of scumreads though. more on the townleaning side which is not helping us right now lol. Scum trying to stick with what he originally said because it's harder for scum to just switch reads like that. He professed to have read the thread but if you had read it you'd know that I am unquestionably town atm.
Essentially you do not contribute for an entire day. My original vote for you was because of lurk, but then you get back and do absolutely nothing but throw up an OMGUS vote with zero evidence/backing to it whatsoever.
Textbook scum.
'The way I entered the thread'
Pray tell, Shiao, what was that way?
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Guys, vote for geript. ok?
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On September 01 2013 07:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:12 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 01 2013 07:10 austinmcc wrote:
##vote: geript
Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that.
I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA. Ohai Austin. Why? Personal read on kita is that he plays solid, isn't afraid to mercilessly hound people. He was all over my ass in that PTP game, even as a mafia-aligned 3P. CT mafia memory is fuzzy but I think I remember him being on people there. In...another PTP game he was scum with gonzaw and marvellosity, and during N1 I read his filter and realized he basically played townie early on, then went blank, just coasting on his early posts. That's how he's played today. Start with some reads/comments, move heavy into the speculation game. Once you pass the initial "real stuff" gate in his filter, I see a lot of Black Mesa speculation, and not much else beyond the one big reads post. That post DOES read like someone doing work, but then he asks for opinions on any of the other individuals, doesn't really get them, his BIG WORK post gets buried, and he's got no issues with that. If he just posted a buncha scum reads and wanted comment, he'd be trying to drum up comment, trying not to have his reads buried, imo. He can be very forceful and can take over a thread, instead he's happy with all the geript jazz going on.
ShiaoPi entered with a vote on WoS for reasons that weren't given, and I always always hate those votes. Actually, I don't want ShiaoPi killed yet. Hold off on that, he needs to be a lynch option on a later day and not a shot.
VA starts the day scumhunting. Great. Wonderful. A+. VA then, under what I consider not nearly enough scrutiny, claims a role that is SUPER anti-getting-nightkilled, and I presume that while town has KP, scum has more night KP. (1) I don't like the timing on his claim. That role is HUGE if you're town and think you have great reads (which is what he's been spamming before). It's ASS if you reveal it. (2) His post-claim behavior is to continue poking at his reads (townie) into ... nothing. If his claim is truthful, then scum really don't want to have to nightkill him, they want to leave him alive and in thread (assuming his reads are decent/it's not endgame). His play after his claim plays right into that - don't continue pressure, don't build reads, don't force discussion, just claim early and shut down, more or less. I think that if his claim were truthful, his post-claim conduct would be the opposite. Dislike the claim + think his play doesn't support the claim. Despite actually giving some scumreads and pushing earlier in the day, he then shuts down, even as Felkyr picks up some votes today. Either he's scum or he's trying to pull something by fakeclaiming imo, and last time he did that it helped get me killed. Boo.
+100 for this post. Disagree with the VA analysis as I believe his claim was legit rageclaim, but the rest feels spot-on to me.
I was starting to lose my scumread on kita too after the very beginning of the game.
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
the way you entered the thread was complaining about activity in like the first 12 hours of a game is scum behavior in my books. Then there are some minor details based on feeling, but my meta/feelreads are totally hit or miss, so thats it.
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On September 01 2013 07:24 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:19 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 01 2013 07:05 Cephiro wrote:
What I mean is, if you're going to stick with those 3 people as your "trusted ones" for shenanigans, I will vote on you instead. Why? Does that mean you dont trust them? (BTW I am happy if only two of the three are town) That you now dont trust me because I chose them? If you vote for me instead then they cant so safely swap to vote for me? If you are town please dont do that (swap to vote for me) if you are scum (and not one of those three VE Clairty BH ) feel free to vote for me. Yes, it means there are people I don't trust enough in there. However, if your tricks are of such manner they cannot cause anti-town to gain a benefit, then I don't mind. But you're clearly looking for people you trust, which is why I'm assuming there is something that can go wrong.
The possibility to go wrong is pretty much confined to if those three misplay shenaningans and we no lynch.
If they also (not just you) mistrust one another their thinking about shenanigans also will allow for that when they decide if it is safe to vote swap to me.
Thus unless you mistrust say 2 or more of them then I say (with more knowledge than you) that the plan is pro town and you should help me by allowing the max number of them to swap.
Consider this: Everytime we force scum to make public decisions it gives town information.
I have manufactured a new decision point.
You are deciding if this plan is safe or not and talking about it.
They will be deciding if the wagon is safe enough from a no lynch to swap or not.
So far even if nothing happens at all (no one votes for me) I think town is in front compared to where wed be if I had done nothing.
You helping by either moving your vote to geript or leaving it there gets more information yes?
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On September 01 2013 07:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
MAH POST GOES HERE
+100 for this post. Disagree with the VA analysis as I believe his claim was legit rageclaim, but the rest feels spot-on to me.
I was starting to lose my scumread on kita too after the very beginning of the game. His "plan' in nuclear involved fakeclaiming a thing, pushing that he'd done that thing hard, messing up the thread for a bit, and eventually coming clean with a big wrapup. He stuck with that even under pressure. Here, his plan was essentially "be super pro town and then get shot," which is not exactly the most crafty plan.
Yet he didn't stick with the plan here, and his play post-claim has never recovered into being a pro-town force. Do not like.
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okay axle
let's see what happens
i'm kinda leaning towards geript telling the truth so i'll vote him so you can shenannigize.
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My vote has been on geript since almost the start.
I wish you would pick other persons instead of VE & BH. Especially BH. I'm perfectly fine with clarity.
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I'm here guys don't worry. What's going on?
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
...nope, i got nothing
##Vote: geript
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On September 01 2013 07:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
And note: 1.5 hours until a possible BH death and he gives town nothing.
I'm not getting lynched today.
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On September 01 2013 07:58 geript wrote:
BH is getting lynched.
I approve of this. I'm assuming I don't need to vote for him or anything right?
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
Make sure to vote for geript!
So Axlegreaser we got an hour between now and the deadline. If there's at least 17 votes on Geript (not counting my own) I will move my vote to you so you can use your power on me. Sounds good?
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On September 01 2013 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 07:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
And note: 1.5 hours until a possible BH death and he gives town nothing.
I'm not getting lynched today.
Oh I see,
So that excuses you from doing anything in the thread.
How do you know this, by the way?
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