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On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:11 austinmcc wrote:Here's how my night works, again, but spelled out more fully: + Show Spoiler +If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment.
If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not.
The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't? Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I? Ungrateful fucking town. Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off.
You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out.
Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all?
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No, we're not wasting lynches on both you guys, especially with VE's flip. But I've been paranoid about him, and if you have reason to think he's not actually neutral based on your role, then...it might be nice to know. Except we still need to be dealing with scum and not 3P anyway. Plus, if you have knowledge of VE's role, which has already flipped some sort of 3P, then it kind of shores up your claim, makes it seem more likely you're actually 3P if you've got random knowledge about him. Whether you're survivor or not is another matter, but that's only a factor if you're ACTUALLY 3P and not jerking us around here.
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On September 10 2013 02:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin. The problem with confirming randombum's role is that in case he is scum and the pokemon dude (as i assume) he does not die to shots. He needs to be lynched, unless you want to feed me abilities, which is fine with me. This is lovely if you're being 100% truthful.
It is less than lovely if, you know, you're scum or there is no other pokemon trainer.
But right now you're telling me that I shouldn't alignment check someone in a way that will SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE at the same time if they are scum, because that person MIGHT be a role that MIGHT exist.
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I was really hoping Cephiro would say some stuff about HiroPro before we get into that discussion 
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You know what, screw this. I still have my frigging Hiro post from D3 in another window, when I was considering switching from OO to debears because Hiro was pushing OO so hard and looked like butt.
+ Show Spoiler +##unvote: ObviousOne
##vote: debears420NOSCOPE SUCK IT SCUM. HiroPro? No! HiroPro! Look at this! On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote:vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 16:14 ObviousOne wrote:[stuff] Hiro is scum. [stuff] On September 01 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:On September 01 2013 08:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are Cephiro and Hiro so against axle's plan? probably because they're both scum. I got you bbygrl Tomorrow we are lynching Hiro. Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOne On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 04 2013 09:42 Cephiro wrote:On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1? Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch? Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter. And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0 It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm. The switch was 6 minutes before the end.. I switched because Hassy was the last option out of those three to die for me, and due to geript's last contributions I really started doubting myself and thought he might be town after all. In that case, isn't changing my vote from geript to Alakaslam the most logical choice? Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched. I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around. please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 09:52 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote:On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 04 2013 09:42 Cephiro wrote:On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1? Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch? Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter. And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0 It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm. The switch was 6 minutes before the end.. I switched because Hassy was the last option out of those three to die for me, and due to geript's last contributions I really started doubting myself and thought he might be town after all. In that case, isn't changing my vote from geript to Alakaslam the most logical choice? Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched. I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around. please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this. What?? why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched  consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did. Read those posts. Now read this post: On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote:
/facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted.
Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia. Alakaslam is town because he got super emotional and bent out of shape because he worships BH for some reason and BH got killed. Therefore, instead of calling geript scum and attacking geript mercilessly or hunting scum or doing anything, Alakaslam randomized all the items in the game because...you know, that's what you do. But there is no way that OO acted emotionally as town, because acting emotionally is the easiest thing in the book for mafia to fake. Therefore, if he's angry and frustrated and storms out, it's cuz it's easy to do that as mafia. But alakaslam randomizes all items, apparently roleblocks a guy who has an unknown-if-can-be-trusted green check on him, visits a dude who died, and is town. In addition, HiroPro is so certain earlier that slam is town. When slam is in the game, slam is town. Onegu's check shows slam, cheesecake, and snb visiting kita. snb is town. Therefore, if onegu is truthful, either slam or cheesecake (or both) killed kitaman. So HiroPro, thinking that slam is town, wants to kill cheesecake, right? Right! Wait...no. On September 06 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote:
Rayn:
Yes, there are multiple games where mafia have received framers of that nature. Especially when you put a watcher (probably the strongest investigative role outside of listcheck DTs) into the game, you have to give mafia something to help fight against that.
The first type (more common) is that you can frame someone to make it show as if they visited another player in the game. These have been in several normal games. It is also possible for a role that can swap watch/track results between two players. For example in the last Aperture mafia (portal edition), I was a mafia player that each night could either choose between being immune to watchers/trackers or I could swap my watch/track results with someone else's watch/track results thereby framing them and giving myself an action alibi.
As for alakaslam, yes he does look town to me. I'm not really sure of cheesecake's alignment. Alakaslam looks town, but cheesecake I dunno about. (Kita totes died, SOMEONE killed him). Does HiroPro mention cheesecake AT ALL during the rest of the day? Nope! Does HiroPro discuss cheesecake's saying that he did, in fact, visit kitaman? Nope! He posts boatloads about the other world, the cool kid world, and gives ZERO attention to the other world, which contains (1) randombum, who he votes at the start of the day but then is fine no-lynching and (2) cheesecake, the dude who is the most likely killer of kita if hiro ACTUALLY thinks alakaslam is town.
Hiro is explicitly pushing a lynch on OO over debears because emotional plays are easy to fake as scum, when he defended alakaslam because he made emotional playsHiro is gung-ho at the start of the day to lynch randombum, before Onegu drops his watcher results. And yet he's fine no-lynching, letting randombum live, never discussing cheesecake. All he wanted to do was chat about our world, and say NOTHING about his scumread that his vote was on for most of the cycle, and say nothing about a dude who visited a dead dude. (To be fair, a bunch of us didn't discuss jack from that world, but this is particularly troubling with Hiro because he starts the day on randombum, but then just gives up)
I ain't lynching the guy Hiro wants lynched.
I tossed him out as an alternate shot N2 to see what would happen. No discussion (only he seems to have noticed). WoS keeps halfway mentioned HiroPro, no discussion. Cephiro involves HiroPro in some plan that makes no sense, no discussion.
Does ANYONE have happy things to say about Hiro? Half the reason I'm poking Cephiro is to try and figure out wtf is going on with HiroPro. That's why I made a big post but keep having to say I don't want to lynch Cephiro right now, the real target is fooking HiroPro but something is going on involving him.
Basically, HiroPro appears to just be tossing stuff into thread and not caring at all/not remembering what he's said. Defending and then attacking a defense both based on emotional plays. Attacking people and then being happy to no-lynch them, not even caring to question Cheesecake's alignment, etc. etc.
I'm happy with a Hiro lynch, but would be happier if Risen hadn't just voted there. Cephiro still needs to explain himself, but can you guys understand why I'm asking about this plan?
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On September 10 2013 03:01 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2013 02:52 Stutters695 wrote:On September 10 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 10 2013 02:45 Stutters695 wrote:
Rayn the thread won't get any notification if you are shot and survive right? If i get shot one of my pokemons die. Same (i would assume) with the other guy. Alright and are you notified if you kill one of his outside of seeing it faint in thread or would you not know until you battled the next pokemon? I know the actions that take place every PC and the results. Therefore i know if i am shot or if the other guy attacked and killed my pokemon in action. Cool, thanks. Just trying to run through scenarios involving the sleeper cell shooting him. Austin are you informed if your shot is successful? I am not informed of successful shots. See my fishing to see if anyone else shot alakaslam on N2, because then it might not have been your shot.
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Also, WoS, you yourself keep poking at Hiro, just throwing his name out as someone you want to look at/someone who might be scum. Would you care to share anything with the class?
+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2013 02:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
In case I'm not around for deadline (very likely)
##Vote: Geript
Don';t know who my second should go on though.
Not Shiao, not Alakaslam (He actually made one post that was COMPLETELY coherent and it shocked the hell out fo me, so I might actually be able to read him from now on)
Hassy has some sort of bullshit suspicion on me because I haven't continued to call Hiro scum (despite me not being sure of his alignment to begin with) but I have no idea whether he is scum or not.
I think in the end I might just need to sheep thread on my second vote.
Clarity I trust you, what do you think? On September 09 2013 05:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
As for scumhunting:
##Vote: raynpelikoneet
If he was town he wouldn't be alive right now. He just wouldn't.
He only sort of started playing the game a little while in; before that point he was solely focused on his role (and still is, somewhat). I forget who said it, but we have no idea if Rayn is telling the truth in any way. Yeah it would be an odd thing to lie about (fighting against another trainer) but I could see it. The worst thing for me is the fact that he just doesn't seem like he cares anywhere NEAR as much as he does about the game as when he's town.
I also want to look into Hiro---I promised I would very early on and never did.
Also what is it you guys plan on doing with VE? On September 09 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I just had a random hilarious thought:
Hiro is scum because he rolled Chezinu, who always rolls scum.
Actually looked into Hiro though and there was some stuff in his filter I didn't like, among them a seeming bus on OO that was dropped really quickly after it was brought up.
Cephiro, did your plan hinge on Hiro being town in order to work, or is it possible for you to have simply given a nuke to scum to use on another townie? On September 09 2013 23:58 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2013 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Axle: Can you make a clear consolidated post on why you think WoS is scum? I agree with him your posts are hardto read and i do not understand much of them, i would probably act like WoS is atm if i was in his position regardless of my alignment.
WoS: Can you tell us who would you lynch now and why? This back and forth with Axle is doing no good to anyone atm. It does not help people figure out your alignment. Also answer Axle when he makes the post please. Also also stop hunting for third factions unless you think they are scum, in that case explain why.
Stutters: You need to come in and explain yourself to Clarity's questions. Otherwise i will lynch you, because you are distracting everyone right now. Also who is scum? You just drop in with some pieco of information and fuck off immediately after that. I have no idea who do you think is mafia. I don't think I ever said his posts are hard to understand (though I have said that in the past). I actually find him to be a little clearer than usual this game (or maybe it's simply relative to the existence of Alakaslam, whose posts are in every way impossible). I need some time. Don't think I would lynch Stutters as this is pretty consistent with his town game. He fucks off. That's what he do. If I voted randombum that would be just a sheep vote as I haven't looked at him. I want to say Hiro honestly but I'm waiting to hear what Cephiro has to say regarding his plan. Random qs: Does the greencheck on Felkyr give him a free pass? Are the people who are supposed to die actually going to die? (ie was the shot on debears a fake? Is Zentor dead?) On September 10 2013 00:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 00:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 10 2013 00:45 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 10 2013 00:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 10 2013 00:43 Clarity_nl wrote:On September 10 2013 00:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I think one of Axle or Wave is scum. I've read WoS as townie leading up to Casket, and Axle just seems like a coinflip because he's Axle. Anything he says or does is complete WIFOM because he's Axle, and he does what he wants.
Is Hiro mafia? That is the question I need to answer today. Do you believe zentor to be town? Or you think the crush thing is fake? Zentor is scum. He was one of the scum in casket, and I think there is one more. It's probably hiro or bum. MAYBE wos but I doubt that. You are aware that Hiro is crushing Zentor? If Zentor is scum then I'd say hiro is clear. I guess it's between bum and wos, then. Why does that clear Hiro exactly? We don't exactly know of the conditions of Cephiro's grand plan do we? On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:17 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 02:11 austinmcc wrote:Here's how my night works, again, but spelled out more fully: + Show Spoiler +If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment.
If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not.
The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't? Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I? Ungrateful fucking town. Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off. You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out. Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all? I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor.
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On September 10 2013 03:10 Stutters695 wrote:
Right, that makes sense. If we only have one bullet left, is it safe to assume that you'll find out because we won't be voting anymore, correct? I don't get any special messages due to my role. I'm just not OP, so I don't get to be an unlimited half-assed-vig half-assed-DT. Once I add a third member, I can no longer add people and only get 1 final bullet.
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On September 10 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh actually come to think of it, while I don't know about what Hiro can do, I do know that he is lying about still being RBed. ......................................
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That is a lovely and complete thought.
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Hiro's role is clearly to be immune from discussion.
I don't want to sit around. Look at closed casket for what happens when sitting around happens. I will prepare a picnic for you, no cheesecake to eat, and we will sit and chat. rayn, you are invited as well.
Would you guys like to say anything about hiro? Thoughts? Reads? Would you like to explain to me why WoS who claims to be 3P survivor keeps poking at axle even though there's no traction there? Do you share my reservations about WoS apparently knowing what actions VE takes and knowing his role PM but not feeling like those are things that should be shared with the class?
Heck, VE, you can picnic too. Is there anything YOU want to share? WoS apparently knows you, do you know him?
(Cephiro if you ever show up you're invited too, but you have to talk about wtf is going on elsewhere)
Zentor, debears, you are both apparently dead at the end of this cycle. Do you guys have any cutting-edge thoughts?
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On September 10 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Austin, i am okay with lynching Hiro aswell. I just think Axle is a better bet.
The CCM was a fucking disaster. I wanted you guys to lynch randombum there, and i am not really sure why the wagon faded away. Looked like noone gave shit about anything there, and i was shouting you to lynch. What do you think happened? (I was in your world)
Yes, it looks like nobody gave a shit over there. I have no effing clue what happened. We've been assuming that mafia created that world, because nobody claimed it. But there was no lynch, and almost no real push to lynch anyone over there, so I've actually been questioning and wondering if that's a 3P thing and not a mafia thing. That doesn't get anywhere though, as it doesn't much matter WHO created it, but ... the people that were in that world haven't been getting enough scrutiny.
debears made that list of "everyone who voted me = scum", and there was that comment about how nobody in Closed Casket voted in the debears/OO vote. I don't know what happened, but I know everyone in that world kind of sat out a day of voting and discussion, and it's one reason I'd really like to hear from Cephiro or non-trolly HiroPro, they were both over there.
On September 10 2013 03:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:What shall we discuss, sire? For now, let's have tea and start with HiroPro. He's in this game. He's been doing things, posting things, and almost certainly has an alignment. Would you care to wager as to his alignment? Would you care to comment on the things which he hath done? And I must say, your tea party apparel looks marvelous. Wherever did you get that floppy hat?
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Actually, no. I'm reading closed casket right now trying to look for mentions of no lynches and get timing down.
On September 05 2013 10:32 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 10:28 Cephiro wrote:
Okay good. I might need one more person to count on to split the risk but I'm not sure if I can find anyone I trust that much.
I'll give you instructions on D4 what to do. tsiv plz, im your man. On September 05 2013 10:34 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 10:33 HiroPro wrote:
but I can't actually carry out actions lol. If you would've asked me D1 I would've agreed for sure. Now I'm not really sure, + the fact that you claimed to still have that circle on you won't work, unfortunately. On September 05 2013 11:08 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 10:34 Cephiro wrote:On September 05 2013 10:33 HiroPro wrote:
but I can't actually carry out actions lol. If you would've asked me D1 I would've agreed for sure. Now I'm not really sure, + the fact that you claimed to still have that circle on you won't work, unfortunately. ok, that's fine. just keep in mind that if the fate goes down to -1 or lower, I'm just as good as you, (if you get what I mean). NOTHING ABOUT YOU PEOPLE MAKES SENSE.
Cephiro and HiroPro in contact somehow, afawk.
HiroPro apparently cannot take part in the plan yesteday, due to roleblockage.
Cephiro apparently thinks HiroPro can't participate.
Cephiro does something with HiroPro anyway.
HiroPro apparently CAN participate, and isn't roleblockaged?
And yet with the two of them being buddy buddy and HiroPro coming out at the start of the day wanting to lynch randombum, they don't push him and he doesn't get lynched.
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On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline.
If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target.
If you're a survivor/neutral, then you don't care.
You'd reveal whatever you can about VE/yourself because you're giving information to town AND scum, trying to make nice with both, and you make yourself not a threat.
You clearly HAVE information on VE, which makes it far more likely you're 3P than other factions, because I don't see a random scum player (cuz you ain't town) happening to know what a guy who flipped 3P's role PM is and what actions he takes/where his circle is.
But you're hiding it. That is...remarkably not neutral.
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On September 10 2013 03:54 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 08:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm just blatantly sheeping. If we're switching off of randombum yall can let me know.
Hell we can no-lynch like someone suggested. Note that you point out someone suggested it.
This is the first mention I can find:On September 07 2013 03:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jeeze I go afk for school and work and ppl think you scum.
Onegu is most likely town, because hes right about my visit. I dont think scum would have that ability. I did target kita with an ability. I'd rather scum not know my role because they probably could do something to screw with it. I will say that it has to do with the fate counter, and that depending o if n what Fate number is i perform different actions.
This is no flip, is it possible to no lynch? If not, best lynches are Mr.Z, random or maybe cephiro but notsre on him.
Heck, the cool kids in our thread were talking about that hours before you were:On September 07 2013 04:59 austinmcc wrote:I like the idea of no flipping , especially with alakaslam flipping. Do wish someone else had mentioned it, though.
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In other words, you guys are entirely NOT neutral.
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On September 10 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
See I think the main difference between Hiro and me and that Hiro actually isn't doing shit. At the very least I am attempting to make myself useful--- Hiro has trolled half the game and is being purposefully enigmatic.
And of course there's Axle. Why there isn't basically a unanimous vote on him right now after the shit he pulled I don't know. He won't even come back to talk with the rest of the thread now that he's outed me and it's been shown to everyone I'm not scum. Cough. Cough cough.
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On September 10 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 04:06 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
See I think the main difference between Hiro and me and that Hiro actually isn't doing shit. At the very least I am attempting to make myself useful--- Hiro has trolled half the game and is being purposefully enigmatic.
And of course there's Axle. Why there isn't basically a unanimous vote on him right now after the shit he pulled I don't know. He won't even come back to talk with the rest of the thread now that he's outed me and it's been shown to everyone I'm not scum. Cough. Cough cough. No, there's a difference austin. I have specifically said WHY I don't want to tell you certain things. I have also revealed to you guys my role and powers. Hiro has told you guys NOTHING, and is refusing to talk. The only thing he does is get all rustled when someone looks into his filter and accuses him of something. And yet I find myself wanting to lynch both you AND hiro. You've absolutely not been revealing in your roles and powers.
On September 10 2013 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can further prove my survivor claim is completely real but there is a chance I could still survive this so I'd REALLY rather not reveal anything more if I can avoid it. Suffice it to say, I don't have any powers anymore, and never really used them. I was an antivoter and due to specific conditions was only able to use it D1 but obv Geript fucked that up.
On September 10 2013 02:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2013 02:17 austinmcc wrote:On September 10 2013 02:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 10 2013 02:11 austinmcc wrote:Here's how my night works, again, but spelled out more fully: + Show Spoiler +If we lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS but either they both vote and it 100% shoots or they don't both vote and it 0% shoots, it's entirely dependent upon THEM and not upon WoS's alignment.
If we don't lynch randombum, cakepie/stutters can shoot WoS. If randombum is town and votes WoS, it shoots. If randombum is scum his vote doesn't matter, it shoots WoS. If randombum is town AND FOR SOME REASON votes not WoS, it doesn't shoot. In any of those scenarios, randombum's alignment and vote matter, WoS's alignment does not.
The reason I can fakecheck randombum is because he's in the cell itself, and the cell members are what determine shots firing or not. If cakepie/stutters vote him and he votes anyone else, then (1) if he's scum, his vote doesn't count, the votes are randombum - 2, anyone else - 0, and he gets shot; but (2) if he's town, his vote counts, and the votes are randombum - 2, someone else - 1, and it's not unanimous and he doesn't get shot WoS...do you know anything about VE we don't? Well obviously I'm going to get shot either way from the way you're talking so I have no reason to help anymore, do I? Ungrateful fucking town. Someone asked about shooting you to confirm you, that's my response there. Knock it off. You're claiming 3P survivor late in a game with 3 other claimed and 1.5 flipped 3P survivors. You're clearly not town, whatever you are, but if you put yourself in our shoes, it's a bit difficult to just blindly trust a 4th 3P survivor claim, especially when the rolename is related to some other claimed/.5 flipped 3P survivor who has peaced out. Are you saying the rolenames are just a coincidence? P-Body and ATLAS interacted here, but Ed and Al don't at all? I'll reveal more info when I have reason to. I can't see you wasting two lynches/shots in a row on both of us---you give scum a huge advantage that way. Pressure Axle for a while. Then we talk. Hiro too. I don't see any reason why he should be town simply because he was forced to 'maybe-kill' Zentor. On September 10 2013 03:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
I've got basically a little less than two hours before I'm gone. Likely won't be back until just before or just after deadline.
If there's anything you guys NEED to know from me, let me know. I'd still like to keep some things that don't really affect you guys to myself though. I'd also really like to not be shot by town tonight (if randombum is town) so keep in mind I'll probably be even MORE helpful if I'm not the cop/vigi target.
You're an antivoter, under some circumstances. That's all you've revealed. You say you're a 3P neutral sometimes-antivoter who also knows VE's role and what he does. Very forthcoming.
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I don't think Axle is scum. Stop wanting to lynch him and follow up on saying you were going to read up on Hiro.
It's a good time to do so since Cephiro apparently has reappeared.
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