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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:04 GMT
#1435
On September 01 2013 07:02 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 06:54 Cephiro wrote:
@Axle

I am going to change on my vote if you will stick with those three.



I am not understanding either this or the EBWOP.

TBMK.

Cephiro: is currently voting for Geript.

Thats where i want Cephiros vote:

Id like some other townies to consiolidate onto geript

so that BH Clarity and VE can safely vote swap to me. (remember vote stealers)

I dont want or need any other votes on me.

I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:07 GMT
#1439
On September 01 2013 07:04 ShiaoPi wrote:
my reads in a large game on day 1 are like 99% useless anyway, because I suck at reading too many players.
Since geript also says that votes today dont matter I am more or less content with just waiting for the nightpost to see what in the actual fuck will happen.

And this attitude is what worries me about this whole Geript thing. Discussion has been shut down for the rest of the day now. I'm not as worried about Geript himself (though I don't 100% trust this game which is why my votes stays where it is) since he could have pulled this card way earlier in the day and shut down discussion much earlier if he was scum, but the attitude of so many people who are content to just give up scumhunting for the rest of the day and wait for the flip is troublesome to me.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:08 GMT
#1441
On September 01 2013 07:06 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 06:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today.

Ok that's one answer.
On September 01 2013 06:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 06:40 geript wrote:
On September 01 2013 06:39 ShiaoPi wrote:
On September 01 2013 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 01 2013 06:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys, I am back. before I go through 250+ posts anything I should absolutely read before deadline?


it takes 16 votes to lynch (majority) and geript is a vote off from it. If you don't know who to vote, vote geript so we don't no-lynch

So we are testing whether or not he really is unlynchable? Sounds fun. Dropping my vote there then, hopefully I wont take too long to go through the thread so I might have sth. useful before deadline.

##Vote: geript

So let me get this right, you know about the unlynchable claim but haven't read the thread... Bullshit

So....do you agree with me that Shiao is scum?

How about this one?

And another: you say a large majority of the votes won't matter. Which ones will and why?

By a large majority of the votes not mattering my point was that most of the votes throughout the day are non-alignment indicative. Not worth paying any attention to.

As for Shaio, I'd add him to my would shoot list but I really need to go back and reread the thread. CBA right now bout to go play more SC2

Is your ability some sort of listcheck?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:10 GMT
#1445
On September 01 2013 07:09 geript wrote:
Which ability?

Hmm.
So you have an ability that does something to people who voted for you (ie maybe listcheck), and you have (presumably) a one-shot voterigger ability?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:12 GMT
#1447
On September 01 2013 07:10 austinmcc wrote:
##vote: geript

Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that.


I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA.

Ohai Austin.
Why?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:15 GMT
#1451
On September 01 2013 07:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Clarity:
I have some suspicion on WoS mainly due to the way he entered the thread at the beginning, dont have much in regards of scumreads though. more on the townleaning side which is not helping us right now

lol.
Scum trying to stick with what he originally said because it's harder for scum to just switch reads like that.
He professed to have read the thread but if you had read it you'd know that I am unquestionably town atm.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:19 GMT
#1454
On September 01 2013 07:17 ShiaoPi wrote:
You say that, I dont think so <3

But see, thats the reason I dislike giving reads on day 1 in large games they are literally worthless.

Your read is only worthless because you have offered nothing to back it up.
If you feel so strongly about me being scum why not at least pursue that somewhat or give town SOMETHING?

Why are you offhandedly calling me scum then when I attack you, you just shrink back and say 'see this is what happens boo hoo.' This is not how town should be playing.
I'll leave you alone if you give the town something to work with. I don't care how worthless you think the reads are, so long as they have some substance.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:21 GMT
#1455
And note: 1.5 hours until a possible BH death and he gives town nothing.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:24 GMT
#1459
On September 01 2013 07:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
I offer nothing to back it up since it is a gutread with little to no evidence. Which (Surprise) is worthless. But sorry to say that is how I work in large games until I am able to get an overview once flips happen. If you dislike it that much go ahead and keep calling me scum, I dont give a fuck.

If you have read the thread, why is a gutread on me that happened at some point yesterday the only fucking thing you have to contribute in 48 hours? How is that acceptable?
You don't have ANYTHING at all to contribute on anyone else?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:27 GMT
#1461
On September 01 2013 07:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 07:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 07:02 AxleGreaser wrote:
On September 01 2013 06:54 Cephiro wrote:
@Axle

I am going to change on my vote if you will stick with those three.



I am not understanding either this or the EBWOP.

TBMK.

Cephiro: is currently voting for Geript.

Thats where i want Cephiros vote:

Id like some other townies to consiolidate onto geript

so that BH Clarity and VE can safely vote swap to me. (remember vote stealers)

I dont want or need any other votes on me.

I don't think I will be changing my vote so you may have to rely on others.


Is there any reason you want your vote parked somewhere like Shiaopi?

Already explained it; first of all I think he's scum but since my vote doesn't matter, meh.
I don't want to vote for Geript because while I believe he may be telling the truth, I don't trust the way this setup works and I do not want to allow other people to perform actions on me when I have control over someone's ability to do so.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:33 GMT
#1466
Really?
On August 31 2013 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read

##Vote: WaveofShadow

This makes me feel like I picked the right lurker.
Also HAI GUISE I BACK

Things that made me go WTF while I was catching up:
Vayne's roleclaim
Onegu's roleclaim
Alakaslam

That is all.


On September 01 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 07:14 ShiaoPi wrote:
@Clarity:
I have some suspicion on WoS mainly due to the way he entered the thread at the beginning, dont have much in regards of scumreads though. more on the townleaning side which is not helping us right now

lol.
Scum trying to stick with what he originally said because it's harder for scum to just switch reads like that.
He professed to have read the thread but if you had read it you'd know that I am unquestionably town atm.


Essentially you do not contribute for an entire day. My original vote for you was because of lurk, but then you get back and do absolutely nothing but throw up an OMGUS vote with zero evidence/backing to it whatsoever.

Textbook scum.
'The way I entered the thread'
Pray tell, Shiao, what was that way?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 22:35 GMT
#1468
On September 01 2013 07:33 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 07:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 07:10 austinmcc wrote:
##vote: geript

Although on the off chance you're not trying to be sneakypants here, I'd like to remind you that saying I WON'T BE LYNCHED AND IF YOU LYNCH ME I'MA KILL BH should actually be leading you to be townie on BH right now and NOT shoot him. So, if you weren't being sneakypants, you've telegraphed a target and are still getting lynched/are picking up a buncha votes. Leading me to believe that BH isn't a good alternate target, just based on that.


I'd rather you pop kita, ShiaoPi, or VA.

Ohai Austin.
Why?
Personal read on kita is that he plays solid, isn't afraid to mercilessly hound people. He was all over my ass in that PTP game, even as a mafia-aligned 3P. CT mafia memory is fuzzy but I think I remember him being on people there. In...another PTP game he was scum with gonzaw and marvellosity, and during N1 I read his filter and realized he basically played townie early on, then went blank, just coasting on his early posts.

That's how he's played today. Start with some reads/comments, move heavy into the speculation game. Once you pass the initial "real stuff" gate in his filter, I see a lot of Black Mesa speculation, and not much else beyond the one big reads post. That post DOES read like someone doing work, but then he asks for opinions on any of the other individuals, doesn't really get them, his BIG WORK post gets buried, and he's got no issues with that. If he just posted a buncha scum reads and wanted comment, he'd be trying to drum up comment, trying not to have his reads buried, imo. He can be very forceful and can take over a thread, instead he's happy with all the geript jazz going on.

ShiaoPi entered with a vote on WoS for reasons that weren't given, and I always always hate those votes. Actually, I don't want ShiaoPi killed yet. Hold off on that, he needs to be a lynch option on a later day and not a shot.

VA starts the day scumhunting. Great. Wonderful. A+. VA then, under what I consider not nearly enough scrutiny, claims a role that is SUPER anti-getting-nightkilled, and I presume that while town has KP, scum has more night KP.

(1) I don't like the timing on his claim. That role is HUGE if you're town and think you have great reads (which is what he's been spamming before). It's ASS if you reveal it.
(2) His post-claim behavior is to continue poking at his reads (townie) into ... nothing. If his claim is truthful, then scum really don't want to have to nightkill him, they want to leave him alive and in thread (assuming his reads are decent/it's not endgame). His play after his claim plays right into that - don't continue pressure, don't build reads, don't force discussion, just claim early and shut down, more or less. I think that if his claim were truthful, his post-claim conduct would be the opposite.

Dislike the claim + think his play doesn't support the claim. Despite actually giving some scumreads and pushing earlier in the day, he then shuts down, even as Felkyr picks up some votes today. Either he's scum or he's trying to pull something by fakeclaiming imo, and last time he did that it helped get me killed. Boo.

+100 for this post. Disagree with the VA analysis as I believe his claim was legit rageclaim, but the rest feels spot-on to me.
I was starting to lose my scumread on kita too after the very beginning of the game.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:00 GMT
#1480
On September 01 2013 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 07:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
And note: 1.5 hours until a possible BH death and he gives town nothing.


I'm not getting lynched today.

Oh I see,
So that excuses you from doing anything in the thread.

How do you know this, by the way?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:01 GMT
#1482
On September 01 2013 08:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 07:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 01 2013 07:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
And note: 1.5 hours until a possible BH death and he gives town nothing.


I'm not getting lynched today.

Oh I see,
So that excuses you from doing anything in the thread.

How do you know this, by the way?


vote... count?

Vote....rigger?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:07 GMT
#1496
On September 01 2013 08:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:04 geript wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:01 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't know why everyone's all up on me for low D1 activity as though that's some kind of scumtell, as though I've ever done that as scum besides in parallel worlds mafia

Nobody is on you for activity but what you do with said activity. Bye bye BH.


If you really are a vigi, and you think shooting me is the best thing to do given your read on me, read Les Mis mafia, the game people are referencing regarding my ability to perform under pressure as town, and take a look at my D1 activity.

I actually referenced that game exactly and your activity this game is NOWHERE NEAR that level.
Considering you appear to be completely unconcerned that you are going to die, this fits with you truly believing Geript is scum, but the fact that you absolutely refuse to consider the alternative enough to give town some reads or something actually useful to go in in case you are both town makes you look really scummy.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:29 GMT
#1528
On September 01 2013 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I think they'll lie though. They won't say "it's because I'm scum and I don't want the plan to succeed" they'll say something else

Your confidence in shitflinging on the back of AG's play is cause for concern to me.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:32 GMT
#1532
On September 01 2013 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I think they'll lie though. They won't say "it's because I'm scum and I don't want the plan to succeed" they'll say something else

Your confidence in shitflinging on the back of AG's play is cause for concern to me.


I'm sorry

What I mean to say is, I can't imagine a reason NOT to go along with AG's plan. It seems like he's aware of the risks and has chosen wisely. Geript is getting lynched anyways. His power won't help the people voting him, it seems to be that he gets information about those people. If you think I'm scum, you shoudl be EAGER for me to follow AG's plan, right?

It's just this. I still think you're scummy, and as such you shouldn't be this confident in following along with a town-aligned plan like AG's.

Some of your actions resonate as being from a town perspective, like this one, but I still can't connect it to the fact that you refuse to actively participate in scumhunting in this game so I have to assume scum.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:36 GMT
#1536
On September 01 2013 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:30 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:27 Blazinghand wrote:
I think they'll lie though. They won't say "it's because I'm scum and I don't want the plan to succeed" they'll say something else

Your confidence in shitflinging on the back of AG's play is cause for concern to me.


I'm sorry

What I mean to say is, I can't imagine a reason NOT to go along with AG's plan. It seems like he's aware of the risks and has chosen wisely. Geript is getting lynched anyways. His power won't help the people voting him, it seems to be that he gets information about those people. If you think I'm scum, you shoudl be EAGER for me to follow AG's plan, right?

It's just this. I still think you're scummy, and as such you shouldn't be this confident in following along with a town-aligned plan like AG's.

Some of your actions resonate as being from a town perspective, like this one, but I still can't connect it to the fact that you refuse to actively participate in scumhunting in this game so I have to assume scum.


Okay, so it's certainly possible, from your perspective, that I'm scum and I think I can stop AG's plan from working, but AG, the guy who knows more about his role than anyone else, who doesn't speculate but KNOWS what's going to happen, seems to be fine with it. He seems to WANT scum voting him. Maybe it's a vigi explosion shot and he's bluffing that it's not. Maybe it's cop checks. Maybe-- who knows? The point is, AG can judge better than us what to do, and he wants me to vote him, even knowing that I'm not playing the towniest game I ever had.

And you have to admit, there's also the possibility (even if you think it's a slim one) that this is exactly what it looks like: I am town and I am following the plan laid to me by someone who claims to have a power.

It's not that I think you can stop AG's plan for working necessarily (which IS possible) but since you disbelieve Geript's claim it's equally possible AG's claim is a fake as well and you could be gambling on that as scum. There are many many possibilities and I do take into account the possibility that you are town.
As was recently stated, we shall see where the flip takes us.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:38 GMT
#1539
On September 01 2013 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm not saying you have to think I'm not scum-- I'm just saying, don't oppose AG's plan because you think I'm scum. Instead, explain to him whatever risks you think you percieve that he does not. Don't just say "I don't want the plan to happen" because you can't really stop me from following the plan. You can stop AG from using his power, but you have to explain why you, with your somewhat more limited knowledge of his role than what he has, think it's risky. Then, he'll take that info you've given it and combine it with his private knowledge of what his role does and comes to a decision. If that decision is different than what you'd expect, he probably just knows more about how his role works than the rest of us do, and we have to respect that decision.

I am fine with AG's plan for the record. I am just worried about your confidence in going along with it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 31 2013 23:39 GMT
#1540
On September 01 2013 08:38 Blazinghand wrote:
If AG's claim is fake, it's fake-- but the end result for the day will be the same: Geript is lynched. He's at 20 votes right now, and I'll be standing by right up until the deadline in case people start to swap off of him. If necessary, I will abort the AG plan and vote for Geript, but ONLY if it looks like the lynch won't happen unless I do so.

Why are you so unbelievably sure that he is scum and will be lynched?
Why this confidence?
THIS is precisely why I take issue with your play. If you were truly town as you state why not at the very least humour me and others who were calling for reads earlier? (Although it's pretty much just me right now) If you are town then there is literally no downside to it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
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