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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 17:07 GMT
#4120
On September 10 2013 02:04 austinmcc wrote:
I cannot CONFIRM anyone but randombum.

If my group is unanimous, the shot goes off. If it's not, the shot doesn't go off. I get fake-DT powers on people IN my cell, not magical DT bullets.

So let's kill Risen or WoS then! And tomorrow we get cop checks and sleeper cell "confirmation".
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 17:12 GMT
#4129
On September 10 2013 02:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 02:07 HiroPro wrote:
On September 10 2013 02:04 austinmcc wrote:
I cannot CONFIRM anyone but randombum.

If my group is unanimous, the shot goes off. If it's not, the shot doesn't go off. I get fake-DT powers on people IN my cell, not magical DT bullets.

So let's kill Risen or WoS then! And tomorrow we get cop checks and sleeper cell "confirmation".

Where the fuck is Ceph?
I want you dead and have since the start.
Guess why you were roleblocked?

it's fun to see when you're angry
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 17:32 GMT
#4152
/takes off play mask. *puts on director mask

Employees, this is your director speaking. You will follow the plan....the plan... it consumes us all. The mafia they live within us, but with the plan they will crumble from the inside... the plan...
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 17:38 GMT
#4157
On September 10 2013 02:36 Risen wrote:
So Hiro you propose to lynch the guy who is leaving after the next night phase (assuming Mr. Cheese is alive past lynch today)? Why? On what Earth does someone who is on the scum team do what I did? Claim when I did? Allow for such an easy path to be lynched the longer I live?

It just doesn't make sense. "Oh but Risen does these kinds of plays." No, he doesn't. Risen makes plays that in the end make sense, that allow for him to live to endgame with the towncred to win at LYLO/MYLO. This play doesn't do that at all. This play gets me lynched if we're at MYLO/LYLO as one of the only options.

Literally the only two options a townie should have for me are fakeclaiming blue/town or 3P. Any other suggestion is so scummy it hurts.

Priority lynches for town: Hiro > Randombum >>>>>>>>>>>> Rayn who has sufficiently defended himself and I can see now that perhaps I was wrong about him claiming greencheck, though that shit is sketch as fuck and I would have crucified him for it if he was town so he needs to not do that in the future.

So scum, back the fuck off me and try to salvage your shit with town. Town you've already won this game. Scum is likely going to use all the KP they have (assuming 2KP post hiro/random lynch) to kill me tonight then surrender tomorrow.

I consider this game a victory.

I don't really care hahahaha. None of this prevents you from being an anti-town third party.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 18:10 GMT
#4180
On September 10 2013 03:02 austinmcc wrote:
You know what, screw this. I still have my frigging Hiro post from D3 in another window, when I was considering switching from OO to debears because Hiro was pushing OO so hard and looked like butt.

+ Show Spoiler +

##unvote: ObviousOne
##vote: debears


420NOSCOPE SUCK IT SCUM.

HiroPro? No! HiroPro! Look at this!
On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote:
vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed.

Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him.

Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 16:14 ObviousOne wrote:

[stuff]
Hiro is scum.
[stuff]
On September 01 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are Cephiro and Hiro so against axle's plan?


probably because they're both scum.

I got you bbygrl

Tomorrow we are lynching Hiro.

Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him.

##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOne
On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:42 Cephiro wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1?


Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch?
Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter.

And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.


The switch was 6 minutes before the end..

I switched because Hassy was the last option out of those three to die for me, and due to geript's last contributions I really started doubting myself and thought he might be town after all.

In that case, isn't changing my vote from geript to Alakaslam the most logical choice?


Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched.
I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around.

please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this.
On September 04 2013 10:01 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 09:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:51 HiroPro wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:42 Cephiro wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 04 2013 09:35 Cephiro wrote:
What are you trying to point out? That the moderator had the count wrong by mistake? Exactly the same persons are on Hassybaby in those quotes, and the latter one is correct, where geript is worth -1?


Explain to me the reasoning behind the last second switch?
Working from the assumption that you didn't know that your switch wouldn't matter.

And no, the first votecount has 9 people. +8 - X = 7, X = 1 Second votecount has 9 people. +8 -X = 8, X = 0
It's because something changed the fate, read geripts role pm.


The switch was 6 minutes before the end..

I switched because Hassy was the last option out of those three to die for me, and due to geript's last contributions I really started doubting myself and thought he might be town after all.

In that case, isn't changing my vote from geript to Alakaslam the most logical choice?


Ugh, maybe. But realize that geript flipped town and I still believe slam is scum. Look at how hard it is to get him lynched.
I've had a townread on you despite the oats tunnel, and maybe partly because of it, but this voteswitch I'm trying to wrap my head around.

please clarity for the love of god, let go of your idealism. the majority of town players do not play well, this is a fact. you may think that his play is anti-town and bad, but it's very unlikely that alakaslam is mafia. you need to trust me on this.


What??

why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that he worships Blazinghand and would do anything in anger if that guy got lynched consider that carefully, just allow for the possibility of him being town, and read his posts. you'll come to the same conclusion I did.
Read those posts. Now read this post:
On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote:
/facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted.

Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia.
Alakaslam is town because he got super emotional and bent out of shape because he worships BH for some reason and BH got killed. Therefore, instead of calling geript scum and attacking geript mercilessly or hunting scum or doing anything, Alakaslam randomized all the items in the game because...you know, that's what you do.

But there is no way that OO acted emotionally as town, because acting emotionally is the easiest thing in the book for mafia to fake. Therefore, if he's angry and frustrated and storms out, it's cuz it's easy to do that as mafia. But alakaslam randomizes all items, apparently roleblocks a guy who has an unknown-if-can-be-trusted green check on him, visits a dude who died, and is town.


In addition, HiroPro is so certain earlier that slam is town. When slam is in the game, slam is town. Onegu's check shows slam, cheesecake, and snb visiting kita. snb is town. Therefore, if onegu is truthful, either slam or cheesecake (or both) killed kitaman. So HiroPro, thinking that slam is town, wants to kill cheesecake, right? Right! Wait...no.

On September 06 2013 03:58 HiroPro wrote:
Rayn:

Yes, there are multiple games where mafia have received framers of that nature. Especially when you put a watcher (probably the strongest investigative role outside of listcheck DTs) into the game, you have to give mafia something to help fight against that.

The first type (more common) is that you can frame someone to make it show as if they visited another player in the game. These have been in several normal games. It is also possible for a role that can swap watch/track results between two players. For example in the last Aperture mafia (portal edition), I was a mafia player that each night could either choose between being immune to watchers/trackers or I could swap my watch/track results with someone else's watch/track results thereby framing them and giving myself an action alibi.

As for alakaslam, yes he does look town to me. I'm not really sure of cheesecake's alignment.
Alakaslam looks town, but cheesecake I dunno about. (Kita totes died, SOMEONE killed him). Does HiroPro mention cheesecake AT ALL during the rest of the day? Nope! Does HiroPro discuss cheesecake's saying that he did, in fact, visit kitaman? Nope! He posts boatloads about the other world, the cool kid world, and gives ZERO attention to the other world, which contains (1) randombum, who he votes at the start of the day but then is fine no-lynching and (2) cheesecake, the dude who is the most likely killer of kita if hiro ACTUALLY thinks alakaslam is town.




Hiro is explicitly pushing a lynch on OO over debears because emotional plays are easy to fake as scum, when he defended alakaslam because he made emotional plays

Hiro is gung-ho at the start of the day to lynch randombum, before Onegu drops his watcher results. And yet he's fine no-lynching, letting randombum live, never discussing cheesecake. All he wanted to do was chat about our world, and say NOTHING about his scumread that his vote was on for most of the cycle, and say nothing about a dude who visited a dead dude. (To be fair, a bunch of us didn't discuss jack from that world, but this is particularly troubling with Hiro because he starts the day on randombum, but then just gives up)


I ain't lynching the guy Hiro wants lynched.


I tossed him out as an alternate shot N2 to see what would happen. No discussion (only he seems to have noticed). WoS keeps halfway mentioned HiroPro, no discussion. Cephiro involves HiroPro in some plan that makes no sense, no discussion.


Does ANYONE have happy things to say about Hiro? Half the reason I'm poking Cephiro is to try and figure out wtf is going on with HiroPro. That's why I made a big post but keep having to say I don't want to lynch Cephiro right now, the real target is fooking HiroPro but something is going on involving him.

Basically, HiroPro appears to just be tossing stuff into thread and not caring at all/not remembering what he's said. Defending and then attacking a defense both based on emotional plays. Attacking people and then being happy to no-lynch them, not even caring to question Cheesecake's alignment, etc. etc.

I'm happy with a Hiro lynch, but would be happier if Risen hadn't just voted there. Cephiro still needs to explain himself, but can you guys understand why I'm asking about this plan?

/puts on hypnotist mask

You're getting sleepysleepysleepy.......

There it's all better!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 18:12 GMT
#4182
On September 10 2013 03:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh actually come to think of it, while I don't know about what Hiro can do, I do know that he is lying about still being RBed.

Where did I say I was roleblocked last night?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 18:27 GMT
#4191
On September 10 2013 03:26 austinmcc wrote:
Hiro's role is clearly to be immune from discussion.

My hypnosis is working!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 19:03 GMT
#4212
On September 10 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah. I remember Hiro's argument being "we get nothing because there will be no-flip and we can't tell anything about voting patterns etc etc..".

That is entirely false. In a no-flip world it is much more likely that scum do not buss. Voting patterns tell INCREDIBLY much when one of the other guys who were in that world flips. If they are scum, it tells so much, what was their reasoning for voting? Were they bussing (most likely not, because of no-flip)? Did they vote for the lynched guy (if yes, then they were probably green)? etc etc.

It was just like, "we get no info, shut up all and no-lynch". That was so friggin' anti-town.

I never said anything like that. Point to a single post in that world where I said we should no lynch because we don't get a flip.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 19:40 GMT
#4252
Because they're trying to look useful.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 21:43 GMT
#4374
What are we doing Ceph?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 21:47 GMT
#4384
On September 10 2013 06:44 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:43 HiroPro wrote:
What are we doing Ceph?


I'd say go for Axle lynch. Rayn is sitting in the line waiting next.


ok. Why axle?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 21:59 GMT
#4392
On September 10 2013 06:52 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:44 Cephiro wrote:
On September 10 2013 06:43 HiroPro wrote:
What are we doing Ceph?


I'd say go for Axle lynch. Rayn is sitting in the line waiting next.


ok. Why axle?


Because he's one of the three persons I don't have enough information on. (Clarity, Axle, randombum).

Randombum thing would be cleared with the proposed Cell plan, and I'm not willing to lynch Clarity, which leaves Axle.

There are several players whose actions will tell more than enough in the upcoming cycle. I wouldn't mind killing rayn at all but for now I'm still slightly believing that possibility he might be just town playing horribly.

Got it.

##Vote AxleGreaser
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#4419
On September 10 2013 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So i am scum for you because i have been voting townies only and Hiro is town because of his posts where he defends scum!OO (like i did - yes i know) and attacks the exact same people i have (geript, VE, BH - not that i really attacked VE and BH for real but anyways).


what are you even talking about? Where did I ever defend ObviousOne? Are you reading this game at all?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 22:37 GMT
#4421
I've been perhaps the single biggest voice telling you to lynch obviousone this game...
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 22:43 GMT
#4427
This is every single post I've ever made in reference to or about ObviousOne. Point out exactly where I'm defending him, rayn:

On September 02 2013 02:44 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 04:14 kitaman27 wrote:
cakepie seems to need to be prompted for his contributions, which is a concern. His vote is currently for a policy lynch, but it would be unfair for me out of all people to criticize that. He explains that he is filter diving, but there is little evidence that anything came out of that. I don't really understand the point of a pressure vote on felkyr if he is going to point out that it is a pressure vote. It isn't clear that there is anyone in this game that cakepie actually thinks is mafia.

ObviousOne is one of those people that I'm suspicious of based on his town read on Dandel so early into the game. He seems to be around, but not very interested in the game. He decides to sheep Dandel with the geript vote without actually mentioning him at any point in his filter.


I'm curious kita. How do you still feel about these two?



On September 03 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 02:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Summary of cakepie case:

- His name is garbs. cheesecake bezt.
- And:

On September 01 2013 00:32 cakepie wrote:
ack, dozed off
---

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 21:55 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


brb, taking another look



I ain't exactly got spidey senses screaming to me that he is confirmed scum. My read on him (newbie null) sits precariously and could swing to scummy in a real jiffy if, say, he responds poorly or incorrectly under pressure.



Scum scum scum scum scum

I'm actually not entirely sure about cakepie. His last post responding to me seems pretty genuinely upset lol.

Right now there are a lot of people in this game who haven't really done anything of note but have somehow avoided all attention. We should probably be lynching into this group - they're our best chance of hitting mafia. ObviousOne is a good example of this. The majority of his day 1 play appears unusually hesitant almost as if he's reluctant to actually call anyone out:
Show nested quote +

Or your guy Felkyr, though there's something to perhaps counter that. Once upon a time, VE apologized before leaving for having to leave the thread to go to work and people went nuts on him, and he was town. He was just being courteous. Is Felkyr just being courteous in the post you quoted? Like, just out of virtue of who he is? Can't know, first game.

Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 03:32 ObviousOne wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys catching up

On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read

##Vote: WaveofShadow

Maybe this one if it's going to live in a perpetual state of catch-up? It's hard to pick. WOS voted Shiao back, this whole thing kinda went nowhere. Can we get some resolution between you two? Hug it out? Fight it out? 20 paces and draw lightsabers?

Furthermore, the one post in which he actually offers any sort of analysis/argument (on myself) is very similar to the arguments that multiple other people have brought up and also contains such nonsense as:
Show nested quote +
Being Brown is the essence of being unreadable. --> There's only really one question here: does Hiro's role have anything to do with Chezinu or the Brotherhood of the Brown? If so, who is the scribe? If not, there's no reason for him to be brown. Also, he's doing Brown wrong.


I'd like for everyone to share their opinions about him.

On September 03 2013 04:22 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 03:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 03 2013 03:07 HiroPro wrote:
On September 03 2013 03:04 Clarity_nl wrote:
On September 03 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote:
On September 03 2013 02:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Summary of cakepie case:

- His name is garbs. cheesecake bezt.
- And:

On September 01 2013 00:32 cakepie wrote:
ack, dozed off
---

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 21:55 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


brb, taking another look



I ain't exactly got spidey senses screaming to me that he is confirmed scum. My read on him (newbie null) sits precariously and could swing to scummy in a real jiffy if, say, he responds poorly or incorrectly under pressure.



Scum scum scum scum scum

I'm actually not entirely sure about cakepie. His last post responding to me seems pretty genuinely upset lol.

Right now there are a lot of people in this game who haven't really done anything of note but have somehow avoided all attention. We should probably be lynching into this group - they're our best chance of hitting mafia. ObviousOne is a good example of this. The majority of his day 1 play appears unusually hesitant almost as if he's reluctant to actually call anyone out:

Or your guy Felkyr, though there's something to perhaps counter that. Once upon a time, VE apologized before leaving for having to leave the thread to go to work and people went nuts on him, and he was town. He was just being courteous. Is Felkyr just being courteous in the post you quoted? Like, just out of virtue of who he is? Can't know, first game.

On August 31 2013 03:32 ObviousOne wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys catching up

On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read

##Vote: WaveofShadow

Maybe this one if it's going to live in a perpetual state of catch-up? It's hard to pick. WOS voted Shiao back, this whole thing kinda went nowhere. Can we get some resolution between you two? Hug it out? Fight it out? 20 paces and draw lightsabers?

Furthermore, the one post in which he actually offers any sort of analysis/argument (on myself) is very similar to the arguments that multiple other people have brought up and also contains such nonsense as:
Being Brown is the essence of being unreadable. --> There's only really one question here: does Hiro's role have anything to do with Chezinu or the Brotherhood of the Brown? If so, who is the scribe? If not, there's no reason for him to be brown. Also, he's doing Brown wrong.


I'd like for everyone to share their opinions about him.


How about randombum instead? I kinda liked OO's last post.
They both have less than a page but randombum looks worse IMO

Explain it to me.


Alright so when deciding between the two let's ignore that they both have 1 page of filter.
OO's posts tend to have some insight or original thoughts in them, for example:
- weird vayne 3p read
- snb seems to be okay with a lot of lynches
- cakepie is a coinflip
- hiro stopping axle plan instead of asking about it makes him scum

I'm not saying I agree with these things but at least they're there.

I dare you to make a similar list about randombum. All he has are questions and filler.

Yea, I understand what you're saying. We have too many players like this, Risen falls into the exact same boat.
Just bear in mind that the point about vayne has almost no actual reasoning behind it and the thing about cakepie being a coinflip is based on his name being cake+pie.....
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 04:01 ShiaoPi wrote:
On September 03 2013 02:59 HiroPro wrote:
On September 03 2013 02:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Summary of cakepie case:

- His name is garbs. cheesecake bezt.
- And:

On September 01 2013 00:32 cakepie wrote:
ack, dozed off
---

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 31 2013 21:55 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 21:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also Felkyr is totally scum man. Dont be fooled by newb townie, even any new townplayer wouldve at least done something other than SETUP SPECULATION. Its the easiest thing to pick up on for new scum because the thoughts surrounding them arent fake.


brb, taking another look



I ain't exactly got spidey senses screaming to me that he is confirmed scum. My read on him (newbie null) sits precariously and could swing to scummy in a real jiffy if, say, he responds poorly or incorrectly under pressure.



Scum scum scum scum scum

I'm actually not entirely sure about cakepie. His last post responding to me seems pretty genuinely upset lol.

Right now there are a lot of people in this game who haven't really done anything of note but have somehow avoided all attention. We should probably be lynching into this group - they're our best chance of hitting mafia. ObviousOne is a good example of this. The majority of his day 1 play appears unusually hesitant almost as if he's reluctant to actually call anyone out:

Or your guy Felkyr, though there's something to perhaps counter that. Once upon a time, VE apologized before leaving for having to leave the thread to go to work and people went nuts on him, and he was town. He was just being courteous. Is Felkyr just being courteous in the post you quoted? Like, just out of virtue of who he is? Can't know, first game.

On August 31 2013 03:32 ObviousOne wrote:
On August 30 2013 23:48 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys catching up

On August 31 2013 00:06 ShiaoPi wrote:
skimmed all over this thread, lets go kill WoS? only one who stuck out for me in this initial read

##Vote: WaveofShadow

Maybe this one if it's going to live in a perpetual state of catch-up? It's hard to pick. WOS voted Shiao back, this whole thing kinda went nowhere. Can we get some resolution between you two? Hug it out? Fight it out? 20 paces and draw lightsabers?

Furthermore, the one post in which he actually offers any sort of analysis/argument (on myself) is very similar to the arguments that multiple other people have brought up and also contains such nonsense as:
Being Brown is the essence of being unreadable. --> There's only really one question here: does Hiro's role have anything to do with Chezinu or the Brotherhood of the Brown? If so, who is the scribe? If not, there's no reason for him to be brown. Also, he's doing Brown wrong.


I'd like for everyone to share their opinions about him.


why not always post like this dude?

I don't understand what you're saying.


On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote:
vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed.

Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him.

Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 16:14 ObviousOne wrote:

[stuff]
Hiro is scum.
[stuff]
On September 01 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 01 2013 08:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are Cephiro and Hiro so against axle's plan?


probably because they're both scum.

I got you bbygrl

Tomorrow we are lynching Hiro.

Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him.

##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOne

On September 05 2013 09:24 HiroPro wrote:
but how am I supposed to kill obviousone when im in here

On September 05 2013 10:26 HiroPro wrote:
VE can you please convince the guys in the other thread to kill obvious? I'll be eternally grateful!

On September 07 2013 07:04 HiroPro wrote:
Clarity, you're over-thinking this massively. I'm going to explain the mafia motivation to you very simply.

He's faced with a terrible situation. He has zero thread presence so it's almost impossible for him to directly argue his way out of being lynched. His only hope is for people to derp.

Any shot on someone who is clearly town would result in him being auto-lynched. So he does the safest possible option: he shoots his "biggest mafia read". He can't shoot a different target because it's difficult for him to have to explain that .

On September 07 2013 07:11 HiroPro wrote:
/facepalm. First of all, you can't even fire a dayvig shot right before a lynch clarity. They almost always have to go 12 hours before. He uses his shot because he doesn't want it to get wasted.

Second, acting emotional is like the easiest trick in the playbook. It's easy to act angry and frustrated for a bit and then storm out. It's not easy to stay in the thread, discuss, and reason through things when you're mafia.

On September 07 2013 07:18 HiroPro wrote:
Half this thread already thought him to be mafia. He was at a big risk of being lynched already. Calling a dayvig like that isn't even guaranteed to be lynched - the fact that there's even a debate and the fact that debears is leading in the vote is proof of that!

On September 07 2013 07:34 HiroPro wrote:
I've lived for 3 days and won a game as mafia with a confirmed outed dead cop's red check on me. I've (along with my team obviously) convinced a town that a player who died and was confirmed as town by the host was actually mafia!

So don't say stuff like oh "guaranteed to die with a bad shot like that". How can you not see that's obviously not the case when he's not even in the lead for voting????

Why is it not possible for him to get a shot off in case he gets lynched while still not abandoning all hope???

debearss wasn't even a bad shot. Obvious had him down as his biggest mafia read before that - anyone who is mafia can see that as a safe shot.

On September 07 2013 07:37 HiroPro wrote:
What better targets are there clarity??? huh? He shoots someone like you and gets auto-lynched? He shoots someone random as struggles to explain why he think's they're mafia?

He couldn't even give a reasonable explanation for why debears was mafia rofl.

On September 07 2013 07:38 HiroPro wrote:
You're not ObviousOne! You can't say shit like "I think it's bad" so obviously he would never do it. You just have to consider what's reasonable.

On September 07 2013 07:40 HiroPro wrote:
STOP STOP STOP. You will lynch obvious. Did you even read his explanation for why debears was mafia????

SHIAOPI NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.


HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 23:13 GMT
#4440
On September 10 2013 08:07 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 08:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You are really bad at analyzing voting patterns if you are saying i look worse from D2 lynch than Hiro. Also D3 tells shit because you were having a tea party and didn't really need to take a responsibility (by voting) from the lynch.


From a neutral point of view, D2 you both look just as bad. D3 you look bad, Hiro as nothing since we did a nolynch.

What I'm saying is, I find it funny that you're blaming Hiro for his D2 vote when yours is just as horrible.

Vote for me if I'm getting lynched, then you can distribute the item again tonight, k?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 23:13 GMT
#4441
*get chance
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 10 2013 00:24 GMT
#4534
I got a pm saying the crusher is a dud.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 10 2013 21:35 GMT
#4567
On September 11 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure Zentor is scum.

I actually agree with this -_-
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 10 2013 22:00 GMT
#4570
On September 11 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 11 2013 06:35 HiroPro wrote:
On September 11 2013 05:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not sure Zentor is scum.

I actually agree with this -_-


But erm... you crushed him? I mean, yeah it didn't work... but you thought it would, right?

Could you or rayn like, explain this change of heart?

I crushed him because Cephiro knew a lot more about Zentor than I did and he seemed very sure. Also he had a plan.

Thing is Im not sure if Zentor actually knows as much about what's happening/Ceph's role as Cephiro seems to think -_-
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