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On August 31 2013 10:36 Blazinghand wrote:
But LOOK the point is this
If I was scum and cora was town, AND I really knew and couple manipulate cora that well... why would I make him RQ and have him replaced with DI? If I really know cora that well and can predict his irrational actions with mechanical precision, why wouldn't I just keep him in the game, dancing along my finely tuned puppet strings?
If you think I'm scum, you MUST admit I didn't know cora was gonna RQ
I get your point and I agree, but then I still don't understand why you had to do what you did in the way you did it when a much simpler and more efficient way would have been to just tell the town what you thought.
You do enjoy causing chaos (as either alignment, sadly) and only properly perform as town when forced to do so. You're lucky I agree with VE and others who have said you're not being lynched today (and that you don't truly appear to be scum) otherwise I'd consider voting you. Your play still feels very off to me though. I'll pull a page from Vayne's book and call you 3P. Are you the BM guy?
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On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote:
I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.
I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.
Oh shit randombum puls out the Dick Move Analysis™!
Marv where you at, bro?
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On August 31 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 10:38 randombum wrote:
I don't know if you deserve credit for getting cora replaced by dandel (whom I'm not sure is as good of a player as you seem to think since dandel failed to make us gods amongst mafia players in our last game together). Like you said you didn't expect that as the outcome. So what could have happened was he gets super angry, but not quit, and the two of you argue in thread dis-railing everything which one could easily see as a scum thing to do.
I personally want to believe you weren't trying to get him to quit, because winning by being so unfun to play with that others quit is no good.
Oh shit randombum puls out the Dick Move Analysis™! Marv where you at, bro?
Actually you know, I'm not sure dick move analysis applies to BH. He definitely would pull dick move-type stuff to win. Maybe not stuff that would mess with hosts in whatever way (though I'm sure marv/geript would have something to say about that) but you DID attempt to win The Game through sheer spam (and did a good job as well) which really pissed some people off.
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On August 31 2013 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:
>implying I didn't win The Game
True, but dick move analysis states that people wouldn't resort to 'out-of-game' or 'host-gaming' methods to win a game otherwise people wouldn't want to keep playing with them. You very finely skirted that line, and while not pissing me off, you certainly pissed others off (to me they just kinda seemed butthurt for losing lol). You just seem like the kind of person who wouldn't mind employing whatever methods he deemed necessary to win a game. Take that as you will.
Anyway,
On August 31 2013 10:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ah that's right, you've missed out on the majority of games with Chezinu. Shame, that.
I guess my question is this then: what do you think of him THIS game? Subtract his roleplay stuff for the moment - do you think he's playing for or against town?
Looking at Hiro.
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On August 31 2013 10:54 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 09:33 AxleGreaser wrote:On August 31 2013 08:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
It's a good idea to lynch geript because we can test if his claim is real or not. If it is real, then we look at the people that soft pushed his lynch once he claimed, because that is where the scum lies.
A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing and is surely not scum is scum driven. @vayne. HUH? Surely the underlined bit is you.... driving a Geript Lynch. hence according to you the bold bit you must be scum? If it is as you say "where the scum lies"... is it "A lynch that tells us absolutely nothing?" I don't know what you are saying most of the time but I am not being subtle about it all, I am saying geript is a good lynch. Scum wouldn't want to take a stance on it, but make sure it happens. They can't go back and edit their posts now so I have no problem saying it. WoS brings up a good point about him playing so blatantly cocky, that there is a possibility he WANTS to be lynched for whatever reason
When I read your arguments about soft pushing I was a little confused myself.
Technically couldn't you read into every exchange I have made with Geript as me soft pushing him as well? I certainly haven't voted for him. Why believe me over anyone else doing the same?
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Really fucking hitting my stride this game. Feels so much better than Persona.
/brag
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On August 31 2013 11:19 debears wrote:
I'm gonna guess most people have a town read on clarity and wave of shadow. Possibly BH too. Just based on filter size
VE Koshi and Slam doing decently as well
Filter size not the best tell around, though on that note I'm certain there are scummers in the no/1/2-posters thus far.
Anyway, Hiro.
Like you suggested, VE, I'm ignoring the Brown trolling since I can't really comment much on that.
He apparently has a scumread on BH. Not too surprising but one of the first to bring it up so mebbe townpoints?
On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic: Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ok. Feel free to vote then. ##unvote
##vote geriptmy points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!" Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him"). Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH.
This post bothers me though.
He goes and does some analysis on Geript (wrong analysis, btw but I'll get to that) and then moves on to BH. He basically slams BH for not scumhunting re:Geript yet gives Geript a pass for it in the same thread.
Regarding his posts on Geript as well, it looks as though he is wilfully ignoring what the rest of us (including BH) must see. Geript does not troll simply to annoy people, and his 'unlynchable' post definitely has a reason. Hiro is quick to dismiss Geript's play as useless and trolling towny and does not want to lynch him because of that. I'm honestly not sure where that analysis comes from because Cora did LITERALLY the exact thing Hiro is describing (acting like Coag) and got lambasted for it. Why would he think that we'd give Geript a free pass? Something is definitely odd about the way he has chosen to view Geript's posting and I don't like it.
Then this.
On August 31 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 07:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic: On August 31 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ok. Feel free to vote then. ##unvote
##vote geriptmy points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!" Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him"). Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH. Why does this apply to BH but not to WoS or myself? Because neither of you have actually voted for geript, haven't completely abandoned your big case on someone else, and haven't struck me as suspicious before this? Come on clarity, think -_-
Defense of me, and inaccurate to boot. I am currently voting for ShiaoPi because lurk, (and was at the time of this post I believe) and never had a big case on anyone. Why should I not be suspicious for not voting Geript even though I have repeatedly agreed with others' scummy views of him? If anything Vayne is probably closer to the right of it in that you'd expect a towny to vote for who he thinks is sucm (I have given my reasons for not doing so).
On August 31 2013 08:21 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 08:12 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 31 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote:On August 31 2013 07:58 Clarity_nl wrote:On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread). Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic: On August 31 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:On August 31 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ok. Feel free to vote then. ##unvote
##vote geriptmy points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment). Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!" Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him"). Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH. Why does this apply to BH but not to WoS or myself? Because neither of you have actually voted for geript, haven't completely abandoned your big case on someone else, and haven't struck me as suspicious before this? Come on clarity, think -_- I thought WoS voted geript but my point stands. I can understand your "drops his whole big case to vote for someone" argument but... On August 31 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote:
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Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment).
<snip> On August 31 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we should try to lynch the unlynchable, worst case we nolynch which might have happened anyway in such a big game. On August 31 2013 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 31 2013 06:56 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think we should try to lynch the unlynchable, worst case we nolynch which might have happened anyway in such a big game. I agree with this completely. What's your point clarity? Do you or do you not see the difference between the play of yourself/WoS and BH? If you're trying to say something along the lines of "hiro, why are you being inconsistent about the reactions?", specifics clarity: the actions that the two of you took and the behavior leading up to this are different. You may not think it matters, but I do.
This post makes me feel a little better but it's kind of vague. I honestly need a few specifics here and maybe a response to Hiro regarding my recent interaction with BH as well.
I'm not necessarily feeling scum on Hiro but I want some elaboration. What he has done about his super strong scumread of BH is not enough if he truly believes BH is scum imo, and I want some more recent context regarding current thread events.
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On August 31 2013 11:25 Onegu wrote:
Ok BM QT names
I was first to post
Edward Nigma only a hello post
Kobe Bryant
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Master Yi he claimed 3p
Thank you Onegu.
As a self-proclaimed resident LoL expert, out of the current player list, Master Yi has to be one of:
Oats
Dandel
Kita
Vayne (unlikely)
Fuba
Yamato
VE
Before one of the above players remarks that the name could have been chosen to make people like me think it's one of the above players, I say that Master Yi did not assume that the BM QT names and whatnot would be leaked.
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On August 31 2013 11:39 Onegu wrote:
I just woke up and have to finish kid stuff then I will catch up on the thread and post my reads not just BM things.
Take your time.
You know I've got a soft spot for you and your kids.
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On August 31 2013 11:47 kitaman27 wrote:
:o
Congrats on 10k VE!
I'd be mad jelly if I didn't know mine is coming soon (and I like Archon better).
Grats doodbro.
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On August 31 2013 11:42 geript wrote:
@Wave... I think you have Hiro wrong just fyi.
iueawfvbewagfvbawieuvakt
I'm shaking my fist at you as we speak.
WHY
GIVE ME SOMETHING
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On August 31 2013 12:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 12:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 31 2013 11:42 geript wrote:
@Wave... I think you have Hiro wrong just fyi. iueawfvbewagfvbawieuvakt I'm shaking my fist at you as we speak. WHY GIVE ME SOMETHING Hihi Wave, remember that time we Hydra'd together, wasn't that fun? Anywho -- if ShaioPi wasn't your current vote, who would it land on? You say that "You're not that sure" on HiroPro essentially, so where does your vote land atm?
Geript.
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Alright, finally back.
What in the actual fuck.
I am inclined to believe Geript so I will ask him, what should I do with my vote, and does it matter at all?
The fact that BH has not even attempted to provide town with any semblance of help when being threatened with death is scum-indicative (as is his refusal to give a read of me). In Les Mis BH was EXTREMELY helpful before getting mislynched and truly tried to help town as best as he could.
BH's overall play and posting has seemed towny to me aside from the fact that he HAS NOT BEEN SCUMHUNTING. PERIOD. Really big disconnect in the feel of his posts and his actions and as such I had not planned on voting him today to see how his play continued. Over really wanted to eliminate some fucking lurk but I can see that's not going to happen (also because I wasn't around to push it during the most active part of the day it seems).
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On September 01 2013 06:40 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:39 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 01 2013 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:On September 01 2013 06:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys, I am back. before I go through 250+ posts anything I should absolutely read before deadline? it takes 16 votes to lynch (majority) and geript is a vote off from it. If you don't know who to vote, vote geript so we don't no-lynch So we are testing whether or not he really is unlynchable? Sounds fun. Dropping my vote there then, hopefully I wont take too long to go through the thread so I might have sth. useful before deadline. ##Vote: geript So let me get this right, you know about the unlynchable claim but haven't read the thread... Bullshit
So....do you agree with me that Shiao is scum?
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On September 01 2013 06:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Geript do you basically decide who is lynched? Votes dont matter?
This.
Luv muffin I was very patient with you, I'd appreciate if you answer my last few questions.
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On September 01 2013 06:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wave I didn't even know you asked me questions. Ill try to phone filter dive
Not you, Geript.
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On September 01 2013 06:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 01 2013 06:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wave I didn't even know you asked me questions. Ill try to phone filter dive Not you, Geript. I thought I was your luv muffin....
What we had was something special, but I've moved on.
Geript is my new hydra luv muffin.
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On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today.
Ok that's one answer.
On September 01 2013 06:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:40 geript wrote:On September 01 2013 06:39 ShiaoPi wrote:On September 01 2013 06:37 Blazinghand wrote:On September 01 2013 06:37 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai guys, I am back. before I go through 250+ posts anything I should absolutely read before deadline? it takes 16 votes to lynch (majority) and geript is a vote off from it. If you don't know who to vote, vote geript so we don't no-lynch So we are testing whether or not he really is unlynchable? Sounds fun. Dropping my vote there then, hopefully I wont take too long to go through the thread so I might have sth. useful before deadline. ##Vote: geript So let me get this right, you know about the unlynchable claim but haven't read the thread... Bullshit So....do you agree with me that Shiao is scum?
How about this one?
And another: you say a large majority of the votes won't matter. Which ones will and why?
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Oh and to the rest of the thread (I don't want to derail current conversation, so you guys can respond after deadline):
I am honestly surprised I got no reaction to my post here. No thoughts whatsoever?
On August 31 2013 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2013 11:25 Onegu wrote:
Ok BM QT names
I was first to post
Edward Nigma only a hello post
Kobe Bryant
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Master Yi he claimed 3p Thank you Onegu. As a self-proclaimed resident LoL expert, out of the current player list, Master Yi has to be one of: Oats Dandel Kita Vayne (unlikely) Fuba Yamato VE Before one of the above players remarks that the name could have been chosen to make people like me think it's one of the above players, I say that Master Yi did not assume that the BM QT names and whatnot would be leaked.
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On September 01 2013 07:01 Clarity_nl wrote:Why does this matter? You're not getting lynched, time to finally catch up to the game instead of "skimming" it and give us some reads.
The same would also be nice from BH.
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