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On September 03 2013 14:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript.
Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6. Feh. I return. Well sorry then. The professional hero understood. Sorry been gone good old Arizona. Lot of driving and work ad driving and "lol Labor Day? IDGAF son this is agriculture" and me saying "no I appreciate the extra pay". Uh yeah I told you all don't kill BH don't kill BH but no. Bonus he was companion cube
Yes you told me that... but did I have any control over it... did most people have any control over that?
Why mess with the items of all the people who dont have control over it?
Did you just have a hissy fit?
Stamp your feet and say I will show you and do the only thing you could? (shuffle the items?)
Why did you do that if you knew at the time it would hurt town?
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On September 03 2013 14:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
I want a third lynch. Alakaslam, Hassy, geript.
Axle have you reconsidered alakaslam yet? Notice how he still hasn't done anything ever since koshi found out he was the one who used the d6.
I could go with 4.... The important bit will be to prioritise to two that will give us the most for tomorrow and flip red.
I reconsider lots of things lots of the time. So yes. (as the default)
Id like you to have look at this.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339
it is post by alakaslam in newbie.
it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh).
(onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny)
Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok?
it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town.
(do note Alak playing scum... has always sacred me. because he then also has a plausibly large range of crap he can get away with but under the guidance of his team mates....) Was Alak shitty with his scum mates for lynching BH?
So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon.
FYI: Why am I cutting him slack and encouraging him to try (even though I don't know if he's town or scum...) because unless someone does. hammering him will certainly make him shut down. Also I actually make the time to try to reverse engineer his posts into thoughts and I have also read previous games of his.
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On September 03 2013 16:26 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:39 kitaman27 wrote:
Is it possible for slam's item switcher to impact Hassy's item? I assume not? No, "The D6" acts after everything else.
I am still wanting to see Hassys response if any to Kitamans claim.
Hassy may of course if he is scum choose to never respond which is effectively claiming scum.
That for me would simplify the days lynch choices.
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On September 03 2013 17:20 cakepie wrote:I've an uneasy feeling that geript could be just a disposable front man for the scum team. His IDGAF does not look like "upset" IDGAF, or "big play failed, give up" IDGAF, it looks more of a "fuck you all" IDGAF. D1 he claimed to have planned his scum playstle ahead of time, but BH bled blue, and instead of offering any explanation or trying to be more helpful, geript basically decides to publicly, explicitly, overtly give town the finger. His contribution appears limited to mentions of a few people he thinks are suspicious for various meta or setup specuatiion reasons, but it's mostly a re-hash of this list and it's not like he actually pushes anyone for anything. Instead, he (claims to) give us a double lynch, and stops caring because his voting power is apparently -1 for the day. I don't have good meta on him, but my gut feel is this is not simply he mad at things not going well -- seasoned players don't normally react like this. So, I see hardly any good reason for deliberate play like this for any reason, except as a joker (trying to get lynched) or as part of a scum gambit. Since it's rather unlikely that 3P can pull off all this crap by himself, I'm leaning toward the latter. Also recall that the possibility has been raised before that he might not even be the one truly responsible for the voterigging and/or the double lynch. Also, thinking about the double plurality lynch, I'm not sure it is entirely a good thing for town, because it is easy for town to mislynch (up to twice!) since there is no requirement for a majority. In the absence of information from D1, this is a bit scary. If I put my scum thinking hat on, it's really not a bad deal, gambling on possibly sacrificing one team member to help conceal other scumbuddies who hold powers, plus completely mess with the thread and voting patterns for two day phases. By screwing with the D1 lynch, scum sought to limit useful information. By making D2 double plurality lynch, scum put us in a lousy position -- even if geript takes a bunch of heat and we agree to lynch him, that would require us to commit a certain number of votes on him, and from there the danger of mislynching with the second noose is still high if we don't consolidate correctly. Hence he isn't even trolling, he is pretty much taunting when he states things like the D1 votes don't matter, or challenges us to lynch him with the double lynch. Does this sound reasonable or am I just being absurd and paranoid? Notwithstanding geript, do people agree that we need to be especially careful with the double lynch?
You are being as absurd and paranoid as me if that is any help to you. (aka well actually not quite, without telling me cos it would be rude, judge how absurd and paranoid I look from the outside.... divide it by a number that you think of and thats you.) K.
Not all the powers may be his or they may be causally joined... (vote rig causes D lynch)
Perhaps wed have had no dlynch if he got vigged? (and they scum didnt get what they wanted and tried for...)
perhaps he had solution for vig (hes vet?) and we either wasted a shot or no one took it or could(we had none).
perhaps by giving geript that kind of control and Alak a randomiser button marked "Dont press this button" then we are getting the RNG game we or someone(Dandel loves RNG IIRC) deserves?
maybe we are playing aperture and got what we each signed up for.
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On September 03 2013 18:49 Clarity_nl wrote:Hassy something doesn't add up. When VE died noflip you said "damn, I guess he must have died to something that goes through protection", yet only now you're checking to make sure the action happened? Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 19:37 Hassybaby wrote:
OK, lets see if I can do something badass tonight
/roll 1d20 + 9 Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 04:26 Hassybaby wrote:On September 03 2013 01:20 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 03 2013 01:16 Onegu wrote:
Post from Black Mesa
Our claimed third party would like me to pass along the message that
I've got following role on Shiao: He is Kanti, Lord of the Black Flames.
Also there is a green check on shiao pi. He is the person who is masoned with me, and I am leaning town on him now. The fact that THAT is role that (someboody?) has for him worries me immensely though... As far as VE, kita, it is one of the topics Shiao and I are discussing in QT. I thought it odd that he flipped black because I was wondering if that made him 3P when I thought he was town, but apparently that was recently cleared up. I still want to know exactly what Hassy thought his role was supposed to do. It bothers me that he hasn't done a great deal. It was supposed to save his life, but he was either double tapped, or the shot was unblockable, because I didnt roll high enough to block the unblockable. Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 17:38 Hassybaby wrote:
Let me double check that my heal was registered as an action. I definitely wasn't roleblocked, or at least, I didn't get a message saying I was. How is your first instinct to think he was hit twice or a shot on him was unblockable, and then later you consider that your protection didn't happen? Apparently there is a good reason to think that you might not have sent in an action. So why wasn't that the first thing that came to mind when VE flipped? You said you didn't send your night action the traditional way? What does this mean? Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 17:50 Hassybaby wrote:On September 03 2013 17:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
why wouldnt it register?
Because I didnt exactly send my action in at night time in the traditional way. Even so, Grey's pretty on point with these matters, but I just want to tick that box You already said that your d20 roll in thread was fake for reactions right? So that's not it. Please explain how you sent in your night action.
##unvote: HiroPro
##vote: HassyBaby
Hassybaby: if you are town please do do the best you can do as soon as you can do it.
Hassybaby: if you are scum bye bye....
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Regarding the other Lynch....
If you read the thread between here and
here.
and try to establish two ideas.
is there any possibility that if geript doesn't get lynched today he will play different tomorrow.
OR might his voting power revert to what it was D1 and he can maybe derail a second lynch....
I am keen to lynch him again.
alternatively
Alakaslam to me appears to have reconsidered some stuff.
(although I am a sucker some times)
Earlier I posted link so you reevaluate how plausible Alak doing WTF is.
Here is link to a later newbie game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19353082
although he doesn't follow up on it and at end game forgets about it... the post was right
basically there is an actual chance Alak may play well enough to appear to be trying.
Geript certainly could and certainly hasn't and seems intent to continue.
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On September 03 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is there a fuckton of votes on HiroPro? I don't think he's scum.
In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates?
FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated...
I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower)
I could change my mind again tomorrow..
or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments.
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On September 03 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote:The problem is that he didn't play selfish. He played destructive. What about his actions was selfish?
Axle: "So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. "
Not really considering that having hissy fit and rearranging the item effected everyone else who was town.
Marry up the yes's in these two.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662521 (last 3 sentences of my post get 'yes' 'yes' and an explanation of sorts)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662559
I am not saying it wouldn't lynch the crap out of every other player on the forum with those actions and this answer.
This is alakslam.
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On September 03 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 19:51 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 03 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2013 19:33 AxleGreaser wrote:Regarding the other Lynch.... If you read the thread between here and here. The problem is that he didn't play selfish. He played destructive. What about his actions was selfish? Axle: "So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. " Not really considering that having hissy fit and rearranging the item effected everyone else who was town. Marry up the yes's in these two. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662521 (last 3 sentences of my post get 'yes' 'yes' and an explanation of sorts) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662559I am not saying it wouldn't lynch the crap out of every other player on the forum with those actions and this answer. This is alakslam. Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 19:51 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 03 2013 19:40 Koshi wrote:On September 03 2013 19:33 AxleGreaser wrote:Regarding the other Lynch.... If you read the thread between here and here. The problem is that he didn't play selfish. He played destructive. What about his actions was selfish? Axle: "So yeah, unless Alak pulls his head out of the sand and realises there were other townies playing this game and that he needs to do whatever is his best... Then as town or scum PM recipient given his play so far he is going to get lynched one day soon. " Not really considering that having hissy fit and rearranging the item effected everyone else who was town. Marry up the yes's in these two. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662521 (last 3 sentences of my post get 'yes' 'yes' and an explanation of sorts) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662559I am not saying it wouldn't lynch the crap out of every other player on the forum with those actions and this answer. This is alakslam. Again. What he did was destructive. Not selfish. Point me out to the excellent scumhunting he did today. Let me recap Alakaslam his actions: Day1. Talk nonsense and threaten town if his buddy BH dies, whos allignement he doesn't know. Night 1. Swaps around items. (This may or may not helped town in the end, but he didn't do it to help town) Day 2. Apologize & do nothing except give me a townread and vote for ShiaoPi who has a (questionable?) greencheck. I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging...
He did jack shit. (on his best day he wont(I think cant) do a lot more), I am happy to lynch him tomorrow if we dont find another better. I prioritise geript today as today he claims to have negative vote power. Today we have a double lynch, [/b]plurality[b]... (plurality is a different kind of lynch I want to see if this kind kills him) if his role talks about a majority of people voting for him it may not work today... (that may even have been an unpleasant surprise) His role if scum must have an achillies heel, if it wasn't getting shot last night it better be the double lynch today IMO?
I agree
It(alaks shuffle) was destructive as a fact and as perceived from where you stand.
it was also (if he is town) done by him as he didnt think about its effect on others. he either was actually pissed BH got lynched or chose to continue role playing that for his own amusement, without think of others. AKA selfish.
Also why does it matter if he used the wrong word(selfish)? Does that not make it ring as truth and as made up stuff?
PS the shuffle random shuffled all items IIRC. Did scum have any? are their plans ruined. There are fewer scum so I still think its net destructive.
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I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging...
When I googled it Chronosphere is in Red Alert, I have been told it moves stuff around in that game. My best guess it was just Alak being Alak and adding flavor for fun.
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EBWOP ahh he said so. I googled it earlier. (see cakepies quote)
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On September 03 2013 20:20 cakepie wrote:
lol thanks that helped me lighten up a bit.
More seriously do you agree that double lynch is actually a tricky situation? At the very least, this is not the time to be toying around with a repeat attempt at your shenanigans (which you suggested at some point earlier D2) -- if it is hard enough to find two clear consensus wagons, we might really need all the votes we can get where they matter -- lynching people rather than toying with powers. It certainly wouldn't be funny if you ended up getting mislynched (though that's rather unlikely). The downside is we might not get another chance to try your plan if we lose you tonight.
Basically the plan as per yesterday is only worth it if the chances of messing with the lynch or information from it are quite low.
There can be vote stealers (or something) that effect things anonymously, usually by small N votes.
However if we reach some reasonable idea of what wagons are winning, then even with say a 3 vote gap between the second wagon and people voting me it would be very brave/dumb scum that vote swapped to kill me especially when they know I will flip town.
As basically no one has pressured me in the thread they cant really pretend to be acting on their suspicions.
If instead the wagons are under contention right up to the end, I wouldn't suggest trying to stop that.
Cakepie: "(which you suggested at some point earlier D2)"
I did and I am rather disappointed in some townies. I asked people to nominate themselves this time if on today (now we are missing BH and VE) they thought they fitted the roles of the people I chose yesterday. I thought some townies would go along with that and then scum would have to decide whether or not to risk saying they will go along with it.... at the risk my plan is say some kind thing that is bad for the scum who do it rather than good for the town or good for me.
One part of the value of the plan is it forces such scum to make more decisions.
Another part of the value is people like you can question the sanity of my plan.... and get towny points from me (and anyone else paying attention) when your queries ring true as legitimate concerns...
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On September 03 2013 21:59 Clarity_nl wrote:
Keep in mind that oats got mislynched in desert for similar reasons guys. And Cephiro, Oats isn't wrong. You've been shouting that he's scum but done not much else. I don't like his lynch today at all so please focus elsewhere and return to it later if you must.
Everyone should be consolidating and placing their vote if they haven't yet. We're 11 hours away and ANYONE could be lynched with the amount of people who haven't voted.
alakaslam, geript, randombum, OO and.... hassy I guess.
Stick to those five, votes anywhere else are just useless.
Everyone should be consolidating and placing their vote if they haven't yet. AND STATING WHY
with like a real explanation....
Note "he totes scum, shit scum hunting all day LOL lol Vote...."
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On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread.
Does anyone think it makes sense for Hassy to claim medic on a failed protect as town, even if my role doesn't do what I think it's supposed to do?
I cant understand it.
(cant understand Alaks actions in previous games nor this one...
Does anyone have meta that Hassy is prone to just posting without thinking "is there a reason too...? or should I just tel the thread abotu my role for no reason?"
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On September 04 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia? The question is. Is it more likely that "The D6" starts in scumhands or that scum has powerful roles to find+steal items. I am not hearing too many people complaining about their items and Alakaslam his shitty use of the D6. But Alakaslam his entire Day 2 is around defending himself for using that item. I think he is scum and knew he had to do that after using his item, and he was prepared to do so. A smart townie would defend himself but would also scumhunt. If I would be a silly scummer, I would use the item, and then think for the entire night on how I should defend myself, when it is day and I get flak I start defending myself. If I was a townie I would be looking for scum after my town buddy Blazinghand died to avenge him. I would try to nail geript to the cross, make sure he gets lynched. I would NOT use a silly item as retribution to teach everybody a lesson and ignore the scummer that killed my buddy. The only time he mentioned geript is scum is to defend himself against me because I accused Alakaslam that he knows that geript is town... tldr: Lynch Alakaslam. He is scum.
Ok Koshi I believe you about the item, if >>>you<<< ever do something that daft I will lynch you with fire.
Now back to the question of what Alak would do as town or scum...
doesnt your argument need to be about whether Alak would do that? Or are you claiming you skill and playstyle is comparable to Alak?
If you want to lynch him you need reasons to lynch him not reasons to lynch you if you did what he did...
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On September 04 2013 05:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 05:42 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 04 2013 00:59 Koshi wrote:On September 04 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 04 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote:
From a game design standpoint, it does make sense to provide the mafia with a tool to disrupt the passing of items that are claimed openly in the thread. Does it make sense there is not a tool regarding that for mafia? The question is. Is it more likely that "The D6" starts in scumhands or that scum has powerful roles to find+steal items. I am not hearing too many people complaining about their items and Alakaslam his shitty use of the D6. But Alakaslam his entire Day 2 is around defending himself for using that item. I think he is scum and knew he had to do that after using his item, and he was prepared to do so. A smart townie would defend himself but would also scumhunt. If I would be a silly scummer, I would use the item, and then think for the entire night on how I should defend myself, when it is day and I get flak I start defending myself. If I was a townie I would be looking for scum after my town buddy Blazinghand died to avenge him. I would try to nail geript to the cross, make sure he gets lynched. I would NOT use a silly item as retribution to teach everybody a lesson and ignore the scummer that killed my buddy. The only time he mentioned geript is scum is to defend himself against me because I accused Alakaslam that he knows that geript is town... tldr: Lynch Alakaslam. He is scum. Ok Koshi I believe you about the item, if >>>you<<< ever do something that daft I will lynch you with fire. Now back to the question of what Alak would do as town or scum... doesnt your argument need to be about whether Alak would do that? Or are you claiming you skill and playstyle is comparable to Alak? If you want to lynch him you need reasons to lynch him not reasons to lynch you if you did what he did... AxleGreaser, the only reason why you are not voting Alakaslam because he said sorry for trowing a hissyfitty. You keep saying that he did this as "bad town". Give me in percentages how you see Alakaslam: Scum: ...% Bad town: ...% Useful town: ...% Then give me the same percentages of 2 better candidates and I will sheep you? Which means I am sheeping Clarity because you aren't giving any reasons why people are scum. Read your fucking page 5 and tell me why you are defending Alakaslam like this? Yeah, better make that Bad town % really fucking high.
Bad town: ...110%
Useful town: ...-lots%
Scum ... Lots-10.
Koshi: you aren't giving any reasons why people are scum.
Err... I thought I had hammered on geript (with reasons) about as hard as was reasonable without just being ridiculous.
The hassy situation largely speaks for itself.
he has claimed failed medic action on day post it kind of meh explained.
he has after being caught with claimed action thats shown not to be true found out the ooops the action was never really communicated.
I dont buy the story.
I do buy the story that Alak did stuff(shuffle items) that was not due to rational town motivation and not due to rational scum motivation but just was Alak being Alak.
Is Alak an any day of the week policy lynch... yep sure thing. I will lynch him any day we have nothing better to do.
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On September 04 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 07:01 Alakaslam wrote:Ok. I am in really bad reception, but I could possibly be useful I hope. See, I am not wholly powerless, due to items- I can become a vet, and I say now that I will seriously try for the rest of the game and ask you guys before I do bullshit. Yeah, I suck at scum hunting but I can differentiate null and town. I can try to do elimination scum reads and whatnot, but for now that is what I can do. So can I give you some townreads and nulls? Clarity and cheesecake, cakepie and Koshi, Oatsmaster maybe, pretty sure Raynepelikoneet is. ShiaoPi has not said much, could be blending in, but green check, so null because could be Gf or reverse framed or whatnot. Risen looks ok, I'd say null. Hiropro is totally null. Geript null to scummy, he has my vote a I'm legitimately buttz about him killing Blazinghand. Coagulation replaced in and should be given time to speak before I give him anything better than null, lookin' forwar to his comments on my buttz level xD If I don't remember you here, you are not standing out in any way and are therefore worthy of my light FoS.I think Yamato is in this game, isn't he? He is always easy to read for other people when scum so I will let you all see to that  Oh yeah Kita too. I think Kita is so so. And Marvellosity I totes scum this game. + Show Spoiler +Made you think I got confused again didn't I? Hehe ;D Woah. That was like completely useless. Yeah, I don't mind you being the other one to be lynched.
Please clarify do you wish to policy lynch Alak or are you saying it gave you scum vibes?
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On September 04 2013 08:23 Felkyr wrote:Ok, I'll have to do this quick. First, I think I should say why I do not vote on Hiro anymore: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2013 19:37 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 19:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is there a fuckton of votes on HiroPro? I don't think he's scum. In an absolute sense (hes not scum) or just compared to other current candidates? FYI: I left mine there to make sure he kept being motivated... I think it(him scum) less than I did. (odds on that being true are now lower) I could change my mind again tomorrow.. or later today if some how the other prime lynches fall over by new developments. This. I am alright with the Slam lynch (reasons are clear enough I think). I'm still not sure about geript... However, I actually do not feel good about lynching Hassy. For several things posted before, he could very well be town to me. But, if I look at people who vote for geript versus those who vote on Hassy, Hassy has much more people on him who I consider townie and who have more or less my respect (people who I would sheep is, I think, the correct term). If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again. Geript/Slam is my preferred lynch atm, UNLESS we can decide on someone else instead of geript. Oats or Risen? Not going to happen I suppose... Or can someone clearly summarize for me why I should vote Hassy? (Oats didn't vote yet?)
As you seem unsure let me show this fact.
Felhyr: If geript is speaking the truth about his -1 vote, he might rig the voting again.
from the vote thread.
Crossfire99: Hassybaby (6): kitaman27, strongandbig, Coagulation, AxleGreaser, ShiaoPi, Felkyr, debears, geript
8 voters total is 6.... seems like that bits true.
I dont know either quite what you meant or which conclusion you claim it drives you to... but I do want to be sure you cant claim after the lynch you didnt know...
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EBWOP sorry didnt see Clairty yet.
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On September 04 2013 10:01 Clarity_nl wrote:
Didn't fate have to be +5 for ve to kill the person with circle?
Meh, it's 3 am I'm gonna go to bed. Vote analysis coming but I stand by the fact that a vast majority of people on slam are likely town. I dunno why hiro is calling slam town, if you have a check you should share it hiro.
you do blue hunt rather a lot...
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