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On September 03 2013 01:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
SnB you didn't read my most recent post.
I also have stated since before the game fuck attempting to read Alakaslam and what he is doing/did so if people need me to vote for him I will but I'm not analyzing that shit.
you mean about you and shiao being masoned? you're right i didn't read that before my other post. im not sure if there's any information in there though that makes me change my mind.
what do you think about kitaman's alignment? Should he be lynched?
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On September 03 2013 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ShiaoPi what has your role to do with pikachu dying and why did you comment on the matter so much?
If you refer yourself as the messenger, what the fuck?
If not, are you referring to me, in that case, wtf?
You need to explain because nothing in your rolename suggests you have anything to do with pokemons.
this seems pretty obvious
betcha shiao was masoned with the other pokemon person yesterday and he's the "messenger" because his role has something to do with masoning people.
anyway rayn what do you think of kitaman's filter? do you agree with my summary? it's only a few lines, easy to read! but read his whole filter though.
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On September 03 2013 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 03 2013 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't remember kita doing anything but setup speculation. I agree that he does not look pretty atm.
So WoS is the pokemon dude! rofl, WoS can you confirm that? What is your fucking obsession with this Rayn? Why is this like your only contribution lately? No I have nothing to do with Pokemon. I am the only person Shiao has masoned with. Fuck. My obsession is that i want to find the other dude to be sure they are town! That helps us. ShiaoPi: Why did you mason WoS? Why did you not mason him on D1? Is your mason ability multi-use? SnB: I actually think you are the pokemon dude from your stance on me when i had the conversation with Hassy early on D1 and your wording of "i choose you randombum" on D1. Am i correct?
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Naaailed iiiiiiiiit #swag
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Lol this is nice
Either hassy is lying or Kita is
##unvote
##vote: kita
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On September 03 2013 10:15 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:10 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2013 10:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
So is town just incredibly amazing at killing themselves this game or do we have two scum here caught in their night actions? I don't understand this. Either: A) Hassy lied and is guilty B) I'm lying about Hassy and I'm guilty How does either lead to town killing themselves? C) this game makes no fucking sense for all we know some role could have done something to make his protection not go through but he still thinks it did. In this case, neither of you are lying. You aren't thinking over everything
Hassy would have gotten an rb notification then
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On September 03 2013 14:40 Felkyr wrote:
S&B Would you comment on that? Why would you boldface that sentence?
Anyone who grew up watching the Pokemon cartoon knows why I molded that sentence. It was not a breadcrumb and Pokemon have nothing to do with my role.
I wanted someone to explain why geript was the right lunch choice when I believed he wanted people to vote for him, and randombum had just posted recently; plus I figured it was a good chance to get him to post more of his thought process cause I didn't have a good read on him.
On September 03 2013 11:48 randombum wrote:Ok I'm back. First thing's first I still believe geript is scum. There's just this sense of not caring about the lynch. Then there's the fact that he basically wasted everybody's time with his un-lynchable claim (which was a lie) and subsequent discussion about it. He eliminated a lot of town information by using this ability so early. As he said Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 06:51 geript wrote:
Vote placement is completely inconsequential and doesn't matter in the slightest. People should wholly disregard a large majority of the votes today. Vote placement is normally a good source of information for town since when somebody flips we know his alignment and who voted/pushed for him. And it doesn't help that he killed a townie. Basically, everything he did day 1 has hurt town. He wasted our time, denied us information, and killed a town player.
This is all true... I wonder if I'm getting my feelings towards geript and grush confused, because I want to say "this is just what he does as town, he doesn't actually try to play the game" but I know geript has, like, hosted newbie games and shit so that doesn't actually seem true. Can people comment? Is geript usually a grush style player?
On September 03 2013 20:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 20:30 AxleGreaser wrote:
I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging...
When I googled it Chronosphere is in Red Alert, I have been told it moves stuff around in that game. My best guess it was just Alak being Alak and adding flavor for fun. ahhh. ok. Well I am torn about Alakaslam tbh, because I somewhere can believe he did this as town, but I am lynching him.
What
What what
If you believe his actions can have come from town, why doesn't that make you reconsider lynching him? Why is the fact that you are currently voting for him relevant to your decision whether to vote for him?
alakazam's item use was blatantly antitown and his playstyle hasn't shown any serious attempt to find scum. (Although "why would scum claim the use of a blatantly antitown item" is a good-ish point; but the fact that nothing in his play makes sense from a strategical perspective makes that point less relevant, i could believe that he just used it for the sake of red alert references).
But this post makes me wonder if its time to revive "kill the koshi"
Anyway:
Kita, there is one key piece of information that I don't have about your role.
Does your role reveal the names of the actions performed on VE or does it reveal their effects? Please ask greymist and commit to one or the other in the thread. If its names, we should 100% kill hassy. Dandelion's role proves that not every ability in the game has a name, but I'm willing to gamble that most do, and there's no way an action that does what hassy claims would just be called "shooting".
On the other hand, if your role reveals effects of actions, then we are in a difficult place. The more I think about it, the less reasonable it seems for hassy to claim a failed protection on VE as scum. Note that VE's role does not explain the no-flip, and neither does any action on him. so either his no-flip was an effect of whatever KP was used on him (factional power or special role that's not just a vig shot?) or there's a role which somehow conceals one player's flip without targeting that player. So here's another thing for you to ask greymist, Kita: if VE was killed by some role which had other effects than just a KP, would you still get back "shot"?
For now, I'm keeping my vote on hassy. But I want to know more about this situation.
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Shiaopi do you think that hassy is scum from his filter? Or are you sure that the only explanation of Kita's and hassy's claims is that hassy is scum?
What did hiro do that changed your mind?
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On September 04 2013 00:09 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 23:52 strongandbig wrote:
Shiaopi do you think that hassy is scum from his filter? Or are you sure that the only explanation of Kita's and hassy's claims is that hassy is scum?
What did hiro do that changed your mind? Happy Birthday!
ooh its after midnight in korea
woooo
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On September 04 2013 00:11 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 23:27 strongandbig wrote:
Kita, there is one key piece of information that I don't have about your role.
Does your role reveal the names of the actions performed on VE or does it reveal their effects? Please ask greymist and commit to one or the other in the thread. If its names, we should 100% kill hassy. Dandelion's role proves that not every ability in the game has a name, but I'm willing to gamble that most do, and there's no way an action that does what hassy claims would just be called "shooting".
On the other hand, if your role reveals effects of actions, then we are in a difficult place. The more I think about it, the less reasonable it seems for hassy to claim a failed protection on VE as scum. Note that VE's role does not explain the no-flip, and neither does any action on him. so either his no-flip was an effect of whatever KP was used on him (factional power or special role that's not just a vig shot?) or there's a role which somehow conceals one player's flip without targeting that player. So here's another thing for you to ask greymist, Kita: if VE was killed by some role which had other effects than just a KP, would you still get back "shot"?
For now, I'm keeping my vote on hassy. But I want to know more about this situation. The role PM is pretty ambiguous, but any role such as a tracker/watcher/PGO that I've ever seen is always triggered by targeting, with the exception of a roleblock. Hassy stated that he had to target VE via PM to a host, so it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't show up as "VE was targeted with the Dice of Fate" or whatever it may be. I'll try to clarify with GreYMisT if he is able to comment.
Hopefully greymist will answer, because those are fundamentally different roles imo. If hassy uses "dice of fate" would you get back different responses from greymist depending on what the diceroll is?
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well fuck, hassy's defense is "oops nevermind"?
not sure what to make of this.
ugggggggggggh
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On September 04 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:
s&b, in the event that Hassy were to flip town, would you want to lynch Vayne for his reaction to the claim?
not necessarily. his reaction was pretty bad but it seemed more like he was super butthurt about alakaslam than like he had secret extra information. like, he was arguing really hard based on a completely wrong interpretation of what you were saying had happened. idk, it's not like it's not scummy, but i would have to hear some more analysis about why his reaction makes him scum before i vote him.
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um so ve wasn't master yi?
anyway i read a bunch of hassy's old games. he's like never been scum so i'm having trouble finding a pattern.
i really don't like his filter. there's zero discussion of who might be scum except for an ill-reasoned shoutout at wos (srsly, as far as I can tell his only read is based off of confusing who said what between wos and va?)
and the "oh my action didn't go through" excuse is pretty much the only thing scum could say if they feel caught... but it could also be true...
okay so conclusion: scummy filter + night action suspicion = i'm going to keep my vote on hassy.
i think our other lynch should be alakaslam. i would also support a shiaopi lynch or a geript lynch, since geript is still refusing to play the game.
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right now i think hassybaby and alakaslam are getting lynched, with geript in a close third. i am okay with all of those choices at this moment.
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oh right
dont lynch shiaopi
he still hasn't done anything but i forgot about the check, we should leave him for now
but clarity, you're wrong about hassy. he didn't claim "maybe my action didn't go through" until after kita did his thing. What he claimed at first was that he tried to protect VE but either his protection failed or VE was double stacked.
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Lol
What would that even mean? How would yi know hiro was in the chat? Other than if they're, like, actually both scum?
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On September 04 2013 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2013 04:41 Risen wrote:On September 04 2013 03:32 Onegu wrote:
Another thing from BM chat I just caught a bit ago and got no response yet, master yi claimed Hiro is in BM chat. This has a ton of implications as there should be no way master yi knows hiro is in BM since I just rechecked hiros filter and there is no mention of BM. Also this needs to be answered. I got caught up in reading other filters and this almost slipped my mind. If this mysterious third party player has proof hiro is mafia, then he should simply claim in the thread and he can ride the town cred to victory. I'd even consider letting Hassy live to protect them (though no guarantees he will actually send in any night actions). Otherwise, we should ignore it because it's an anonymous anti-town player.
do you believe hassy that he didn't send in any actions?
do you believe hassy has the power to protect people?
are you sure we shouldn't be lynching you instead of hassy?
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Okay so I guess I'm just having trouble accepting that none of Kita, VE, bh are scum (although I guess VE third party) should weigh on this.
I'm not sure but I think I want to back off Kita ATM. But I don't know why he's being called confirmed town.
I agree that his behavior and thought process surrounding his role use and the hassy situation seemed pro town. That makes me feel like he may not be the best lynch for tomorrow.
On the other hand, there's still the same stuff about his behavior before that which makes me dubious - focus on irrelevant things, very few reads and the ones that there were were bad, the di policy lynch.
So here's a question for hassy and ve who are calling Kita 100% town - suppose he's scum and his team shot VE, hassy's town, and kita's role claim is true. Scum knows that his claimed medic action on VE didn't block their shot, so there's a pretty good chance it either wasn't sent in or didnt do what hassy wanted it to. How is Kita's use of his role not optimal?
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EPT
