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On September 06 2013 11:18 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
Voting debears, there's no way he should even be functional if he's not reading the thread without some kind of assistance.
##Vote: debears
Also I think he tried something like this shit back in Nomination Mafia and he was scum there. ##Nirvana Stirke: ObviousOneThis guys is the scum. Lynching for "functionality" and not scum
Thanks, I don't even have to move my vote.
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On September 06 2013 11:21 debears wrote:
Btw, I want to point out that "I think he tried this in XXXXX game" is a bullshit excuse for making an actual meta case where I did this.
I've already asked clarity to do the same, he refused to go and look also. Bring it on. I know you won't find anything like that in my history OO
I'm about as invested in reading your other games to reform my opinion of your play as you are in your one-sentence death sentence.
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BTW caught up yet, scummer?
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IT IS TIME FOR A SHOWDOWN.
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Wait, you can use that after half a day has passed? You can just fuck with the lynch after half the day cycle? That's supposed to be some kind of town power?
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Put your horses back in the barn, there, Hiro. It's not a showdown til it's announced there's a fucking showdown.
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On September 06 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh you're talking mod-confirmation or something.
Why? I thought you were D-D-D-D-D-DUELING?
Remember the lessons from LXI
If it's not in blue text, it's not mod-confirmed.
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On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. "
The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer?
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On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion?
Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded.
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On September 06 2013 12:30 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 12:13 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 12:12 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:52 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:50 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 11:07 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
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Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read. I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. 1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that. 2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town? 3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view. Does that help? ObviousOne: I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post. Specifically your previous post only shows he is still bad (didnt learn what you told him) not that he is scum. Now you have added that you observed him "I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town." + Show Spoiler [FYI +BTW as amatter of interest that would be how you "prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that." Earlier: "I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos"Above you say: I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? I am rather sure I have seen Alak posting all sorts fluff in games. (I have not checked are you sure he stopped posting that fluff after you "told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. " The confounding bit where he fucked us up royally with his item randomizer? Do you have confidence he understood about how much he was messing with town plans by using the randomiser? How do you reach that conclusion? Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not retarded. I refuse to respond to that post.... it presents a false dichotmy wher you argue he is not retarded backing me intoa corner where if I oppose you I am claiming he is. I didnt. I will reword it for you. ObviousOne: Because as shitty as his posting can be, he's not likely to make that large an error. I assert he is. I earlier posted this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19662586which contained this link http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=19028339which is link To Alak doing stuff just as out there... Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 15:19 AxleGreaser wrote:
it is a response to Onegu who was scum fake claiming, watcher who saw Alak visited by the (obv) town(nosy neigh).
(onegu was a scum tracker who had tracked the towny)
Alak sees this and claims tracker... (some one who visits but is not necessarily visted.) and concludes merrily they are now both confirmed town.... its a bit out there... Ok?
it might just change your settings for just how likely Alak is to do stuff as town.
We're having a massive communication fail because I don't see an actual question here. If I'm understanding this right, you and I are on opposites sides of the fence when it comes to his use of the randomizer or whatever it was called. Is that correct? And that you also disagree that my subjective view on the other points also don't point to him being town. I'm not sure what I'm arguing against here, if anything.
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Well the town hasn't hit any mafia with KP yet so why stop the nonsense now, right? I'm a public (must announce in thread) day Vig with a 1 day delay and I have not shot anyone because, as you've seen, its typically more likely to hit town than anything. I asked rayn specifically today who he thought was mafia because I trust he is the town Pokemon master opposing a scum Pokemon master and he has been vocal about trying to settle things in the thread to no avail.
I will say this much: I'd rather not have to shoot debears given that it's a lynch between him and myself but at this point he's the one I'm most confident to be scum in this thread today. So he will die one way or another. That is why I'm confident in the face of this, VE. He has assured mutual destruction at worst, and his lynch at best and I hope a 1 for 1 trade with scum is going to help us win.
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On September 06 2013 13:47 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 13:42 ObviousOne wrote:
Well the town hasn't hit any mafia with KP yet so why stop the nonsense now, right? I'm a public (must announce in thread) day Vig with a 1 day delay and I have not shot anyone because, as you've seen, its typically more likely to hit town than anything. I asked rayn specifically today who he thought was mafia because I trust he is the town Pokemon master opposing a scum Pokemon master and he has been vocal about trying to settle things in the thread to no avail.
I will say this much: I'd rather not have to shoot debears given that it's a lynch between him and myself but at this point he's the one I'm most confident to be scum in this thread today. So he will die one way or another. That is why I'm confident in the face of this, VE. He has assured mutual destruction at worst, and his lynch at best and I hope a 1 for 1 trade with scum is going to help us win. crumbs?
Who crumbs day vig? You'll know when it happens. Plain as day.
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On September 06 2013 13:53 debears wrote:
oh, and that you would try to get me lynched when you can just shoot me since you don't think I'm actually scum (or have any evidence of it)
Well, I decided today to vote for you, so today would be a good day to shoot, right?
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On September 06 2013 13:56 Risen wrote:
Yup, worst day vig claim I've ever seen. Why not just shoot debears instead of force us to waste a lynch between you two.
##unvote
##vote: ObviousOnce
"force us" lol
Anyone reading this shit? Lynch him tomorrow.
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Never obvious once, always obvious at least twice.
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On September 06 2013 14:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 13:58 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 13:53 debears wrote:
oh, and that you would try to get me lynched when you can just shoot me since you don't think I'm actually scum (or have any evidence of it) Well, I decided today to vote for you, so today would be a good day to shoot, right? But why wouldn't you just shoot me and move on to someone else for the lynch? You instead waste time of the thread and yourself if you are town. Like, by your wording, I would be "useless" to the game contribution wise. Every says I've been lurking. I'd be the perfect candidate for a vig shot, since my lynch would reveal no real information as town or scum. Like, makes 00000000000000 to the nth degree sense if you were a town dayvig.
I love how you fell into the hype, Hiro was laughing his ass off over in the other game about this situation. Various people calling me scummy over the past three days as well, how is that any better or worse? You just put town between a rock and a hard place with this and I don't see how that's a good idea from town. At least when you vote if you can't garner support there's a chance you can save someone who is town's life. Take a microscope to that fool Hiro when things go back to "normal" ... well, as normal as this game could get.
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On September 06 2013 14:05 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 13:59 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 13:56 Risen wrote:
Yup, worst day vig claim I've ever seen. Why not just shoot debears instead of force us to waste a lynch between you two.
##unvote
##vote: ObviousOnce "force us" lol Anyone reading this shit? Lynch him tomorrow. You're a day vig and not shooting the person opposite you in a forced lynch. Pretty clear choice you're facing here. By not shooting him you're draggin this out and forcing us to waste time. You're either incompetent or scum. I think scum.
He doesn't die until tomorrow anyway, but here you go. Ask and ye shall receive.
##Kill: debears
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On September 06 2013 14:15 Risen wrote:
Wait, wait, wait. Just so I'm straight.
debears activates his forced lynch ability > we are forced to choose between him and OO > here we are
or
OO activates forced lynch ability > we are forced to choose between him and debears
No, he's dead. Period.
![[image loading]](http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u81/cylonjoe/BillPaxtonGameOverAliens.jpg) Hudson: That's it man, game over man, game over!
What the fuck are we gonna do now?
What are we gonna do?
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Working on my final reads in case you fucks decide you want to lynch town today.
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On September 06 2013 14:22 Risen wrote:
OO is the lynch now. The fact that there's a 24 hour delay on his power and no 24 hour or beginning of day restriction on debears power is absurd, but we have to deal with it. If debears lives past 24 hrs OO was lying. If he dies well lets not waste a lynch on a confirmed death.
I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. I don't have to be alive for it to go down. It's not "24 hours" it's end-of-day-tomorrow-death. My shit is legit. He's terminally dead. Fin. Kaput. Hasta la fucking vista. Yippie ki yay, motherfucker.
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