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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 22:09 GMT
#4401
On September 10 2013 07:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2013 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Sell me on an axle lynch cause I'm not seeing it. He looks town to me.


It's Axle, he does what he wants and is a wild card. How Axle can 'look town' for anyone is unbelievable to me because in every game I've played with him, he acts the same way and I can't read him whatsoever.


So... he's a policy lynch? As I said n2 I've been able to understand axle easily enough which came as a surprise.
He has genuinely seemed like he's been trying to figure out the game
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 09 2013 22:09 GMT
#4402
On September 10 2013 07:05 Cephiro wrote:
If you want to lynch Hiro, you might as well be stupid enough and go and lynch me right away. Who thinks that if things go as I planned and assumed and Zentor flips scum, my plan was incredibly fucking awesome and pro-town?

If you want to ruin the follow-up, sure, go and vote for Hiro and help the scum. I might as well shoot myself if you're that hopeless then. -_-

The amount of frustration and facepalms being had is incredibly high.

Your only reason for seeing Hiro as town is "because i say so". If you are so sure he is town quote the posts of his where he seems town to you. His alignment has nothing to do with your plan and his willingness to follow it. It has nothing to do with Zentor's alignment. All you got it "because of some good posts of his". Show me the posts.
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 09 2013 22:10 GMT
#4403
I think his sneakiness in trying to catch WoS in a lie by not posting in mason is pretty scummy. If he was town he should have used the mason to talk to him instead of what he did. I don't think his whole "YOU LIED" deal made much sense against WoS. Especially since I don't even think he caught him in a lie.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:10 GMT
#4404
1) HiroPro lynch would give a random person (potentially scum) the item he would gain from killing Zentor. This would be bad. Very bad.

2) Axlegreaser lynch will give us a lot of information. Even in the worst-case scenario that he flips town, we can make a lot out of the connections he's had with other players, and the players who have defended/accused him.

3) I'll solidate on a claimed 3P lynch if nothing else, since killing a 3P (especially survivors who could very well be playing for mafia), is not anti-town in my eyes. A non pro-town 3P is equal to scum.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
September 09 2013 22:13 GMT
#4405
Ceph, I think you are trying too hard for your plan and big plays to work out and not seeing what everyone else is seeing. Like you want this plan to work so hard you are assuming that zenor have to be scum and hiro has to be town.

There's not much else in hiro's play that really points him as town. I mean even this day when he's becoming a major lynch target all he is doing is sheeping you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 09 2013 22:17 GMT
#4406
On September 10 2013 07:10 Cephiro wrote:
1) HiroPro lynch would give a random person (potentially scum) the item he would gain from killing Zentor. This would be bad. Very bad.

2) Axlegreaser lynch will give us a lot of information. Even in the worst-case scenario that he flips town, we can make a lot out of the connections he's had with other players, and the players who have defended/accused him.

3) I'll solidate on a claimed 3P lynch if nothing else, since killing a 3P (especially survivors who could very well be playing for mafia), is not anti-town in my eyes. A non pro-town 3P is equal to scum.

1) So if he is scum he get's it. Then what? Can we roleblock him? Is it so bad if scum gets it we lose? Is it so bad we lose if Zentor and Axle flip town?

2) You don't lynch for information, you lynch to kill scum.

3) Kill scum, then worry about 3p's. Who are those 3p's whose claims are fishy? I think all seem legit.
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:18 GMT
#4407
On September 10 2013 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your only reason for seeing Hiro as town is "because i say so". If you are so sure he is town quote the posts of his where he seems town to you. His alignment has nothing to do with your plan and his willingness to follow it. It has nothing to do with Zentor's alignment. All you got it "because of some good posts of his". Show me the posts.


His alignment has to do with my plan. Who the fuck are you to say anything about my plan when you barely know a part of it?
I've been able to trust him and he hasn't let me down once. You're again just wasting time with this useless shit.

+ Show Spoiler +

On August 31 2013 07:44 HiroPro wrote:
I think geript has no idea what he's doing (yes I'm well aware that he's played a number of games). He's seen other people do nothing, antagonize other players in the games, yet not be lynched and thinks that he can do the same. The post where he claims "unlynchable" strikes me in the same vein - it's a joke post just designed to annoy. I don't see anything about his play that suggests specifically that he's mafia other than that he hasn't attempted to scumhunt in any manner (which can honestly be said about half the thread).

Furthermore, BH's play right now is striking me as very opportunistic:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2013 07:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On August 31 2013 07:01 geript wrote:
Ok. Feel free to vote then.


##unvote
##vote geript


my points vs ceph still stand, new evidence leads to update WRT prior assumptn. max probability scum lynch is geript

This post in particular appears very suspicious. There's no evidence to indicate that BH had any prior suspicion of geript and he doesn't even attempt to offer any sort of reason for lynching geript. Think about this carefully - what's the first reaction that a town player would likely have when they see someone claim "unlynchable". They'd either think that it's a ludicrous claim or they'd start wondering why someone would claim this (as either alignment).

Why is BH's first response to simply just throw down a vote? Why is he so quick to abandon a case on Cephiro that has some sort of reasoning to just blindly go "he said to vote him, LET'S DO IT!"

Think about what I said earlier about BH's play (if you haven't read my earlier post on him, go back and do it, think about what I'm saying, read between the lines, and don't just go "oh he's roleplaying, guess I should ignore him").

Be Strong. Be Brown. Vote BH.

On August 31 2013 08:04 HiroPro wrote:
Because neither of you have actually voted for geript, haven't completely abandoned your big case on someone else, and haven't struck me as suspicious before this? Come on clarity, think -_-

On August 31 2013 08:14 HiroPro wrote:
I'd rather not reveal stuff like this right now. For obvious reasons.


On September 01 2013 02:54 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2013 02:41 HiroPro wrote:
It's not possible to kill VE today strong. They aren't reading his posts

but maybe they will! I already wrote a big takedown of his day1, all they have to do is read it there's still hope!

But strong, don't you know? It's not about what you say, it's about how many posts you make!

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:44 strongandbig wrote:
hiro you're experienced enough to know if you really want to get bh lynched you're going to have to be more persuasive than that and you're going to have to analyze more of his output than just his vote switch to geript. at this point all you're doing is building up meaningless thread presence.

why dont you want to kill VE? talk to me about it.

alternatively: how strongly do you feel about not giving geript the lynch he so fervently desires? would you switch to felkyr or mrzentor if need be to avoid it?

At this point geript is probably vengeful or something. Or he just is doing whatever he feels like because he can. /shrug As far as I see it right now, we're either going to end up with a nolynch or a geript lynch.

I don't the case on Felkyr is very strong at all. Could be town, could be mafia. but again no real reason to kill him over others. Zentor is a vig shot - you know this.

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 01 2013 08:28 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 08:25 Clarity_nl wrote:
Well I'd like to hear the reasons from each of them respectively

Because Blazinghand is almost certainly mafia and viscera is very likely mafia also. His power is obviously not a negative effect as he's openly requesting people to vote for him and doesn't seem concerned about backlash. Giving them any benefit/power is just dumb.

On September 01 2013 09:17 HiroPro wrote:
role!=alignment. The fact that he can rig votes doesn't tell you anything about his alignment, especially not in a game like this -_-

On September 02 2013 11:05 HiroPro wrote:
/yawn. I could quote stuff, but I'm feeling lazy so I'll leave it at this.

I'm fairly certain that cakepie is mafia based on the way that he goes after his vote targets. He doesn't seem to be interested in looking for mafia but instead goes after players on fairly inconsequential things. On day 1, he goes after alakaslam on the assertion that he's useless even if town and randomly decides to announce that he's pressure voting Felkyr. These are fairly "safe" classic mafia votes; there's no pressure to provide actual valid reasoning with these types of votes. Even now in his push on me he never attempts to explain why any of my actions or behavior are mafia-motivated. For example, what's the purpose of trying to dissuade Axlegreaser from using his power if I'm mafia and know that it won't matter as the wagon gets changed?

It's also important to note that not once has cakepie offered any sort of opinion on geript's alignment. What town player does this? There is no town motivation in completely avoiding the major issue of this game. geript has been the major lynch target since almost the middle of day 1 and yet cakepie hasn't said a word about what he thinks geript's alignment may be?

For the record, the reason I knew about the player list being important is that I played in the Aperture 2: Portal mafia game, nothing to do with my role. As for my "knowing" that BH would die day 1, simple logic: nobody chooses to get themselves lynched unless they have the ability to do something with it.

##Vote cakepie

On September 04 2013 03:37 HiroPro wrote:
We should be lynching the people who get called mafia but dont actually have any votes on them not the people who get piled on with nobody giving a damn -_- this is probably the only reason that hassy might be town. The argument about whether or not he didnt send in an action is irrelevant since the only thing he can do as mafia is try that tactic.

Can anyone point to a single thing all game long that Risen has done to make them think he's town or actually contribute in any way? He's perfectly capable of putting in effort and being useful( unlike some of these other do-nothings). Multiple players have called him suspicious yet not a single vote has actually gone on him. This doesn't strike anyone else as suspicious? If we're not going to lynch obviousone (which doesnt seem likely) i'll back a risen lynch.


Actually you know what... go fucking read it yourself. There's a lot of posts that make me think he's town, I'm not gonna copy-paste them all for you.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 09 2013 22:23 GMT
#4408
lol, how the fuck do those posts make him town? He defends scum and attacks townies and some 3p's..
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 22:24 GMT
#4409
Yeah I dunno how those make hiro town, ceph
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:25 GMT
#4410
On September 10 2013 07:13 randombum wrote:
Ceph, I think you are trying too hard for your plan and big plays to work out and not seeing what everyone else is seeing. Like you want this plan to work so hard you are assuming that zenor have to be scum and hiro has to be town.

There's not much else in hiro's play that really points him as town. I mean even this day when he's becoming a major lynch target all he is doing is sheeping you.


There are a lot of pro-town posts he has, people are just choosing to ignore them and sheep and want the easy mislynch.
Of course I am assuming zentor is scum and hiro is town, I would not have tried this if that was not the case.
HOWEVER, I HAVE AT NO POINT STOPPED CONSIDERING OTHER OPTIONS ARE VIABLE AS WELL.
All you people seem to think is "Lol someone said Hiro is scum, I think so too, let's lynch him."

On September 10 2013 07:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) So if he is scum he get's it. Then what? Can we roleblock him? Is it so bad if scum gets it we lose? Is it so bad we lose if Zentor and Axle flip town?

2) You don't lynch for information, you lynch to kill scum.

3) Kill scum, then worry about 3p's. Who are those 3p's whose claims are fishy? I think all seem legit.


1. If Hiro is scum, then he's played really well and with that item we may be a little more or a little less fucked.

2. You don't lynch to kill town either.

3. It doesn't necessarily have to be a fishy 3P claim to be one playing anti-town. Why do you think survivor = Town?
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:28 GMT
#4411
He has a lot of posts where he makes clear sense. He shares his opinion and reads and has many valid points. Sure, he may have had some reads wrong, but so has almost everyone this game. Like rayn has been voting for townies only.

Stop the tunneling and take the red glasses off and read his posts with proper content with some thought, instead of assuming everything he does is from a scum perspective.

This Hiro tunneling is happening way too easily, it's bullshit.
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:29 GMT
#4412
Okay, I don't like that Zentor vote on Axle at all. -_-
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
September 09 2013 22:32 GMT
#4413
I'll vote for whomever you want me to.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
September 09 2013 22:33 GMT
#4414
consolidating, hiro has a bigger chance of flipping scum out of the two.

##unvote
##Vote Hiropro
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 09 2013 22:33 GMT
#4415
So i am scum for you because i have been voting townies only and Hiro is town because of his posts where he defends scum!OO (like i did - yes i know) and attacks the exact same people i have (geript, VE, BH - not that i really attacked VE and BH for real but anyways).

Just because he writes 100 lines of text and i don't he is town and i am scum?

Why the fuck you need to do that. geript played his role awfully and anti-town. That's it, he was lynched because of it, i thought he was scum because of it.

OO looked better to me than debears. I gave my reasoning why i did vote debears over OO. If i am scum for it for you so fucking be it. I have voted for who i think were the best lynches. On D3 you were having some stupid tea party in your fancy no-flip land and didn't even try to find scum.

I don't even give a fuck, because you make zero sense.
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Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:34 GMT
#4416
On September 10 2013 07:32 MrZentor wrote:
I'll vote for whomever you want me to.


Go and vote for rayn then my lovely scumbuddy. -_-

If these town people actually fall for that crap of yours, I promise you I'm shooting myself on N4. This is so rage-inducing I can't stand it.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 09 2013 22:35 GMT
#4417
Yeah I've got townie feels on Axle and I'd just rather not. Hiro on the other hand has been giving me the willies since D1 (being why I targeted him N1). Not super sure about it, but willing to go with my gut and town's sentiment right now.

##Vote: HiroPro
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#4418
You people are fucking hopeless. If it wasn't against the rules or ruining the game I'd just vote for myself or get myself modkilled.

AFK for one hour, I can't stand this shit anymore. Pull your heads out of your asses and don't sheep the easy wagon.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#4419
On September 10 2013 07:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So i am scum for you because i have been voting townies only and Hiro is town because of his posts where he defends scum!OO (like i did - yes i know) and attacks the exact same people i have (geript, VE, BH - not that i really attacked VE and BH for real but anyways).


what are you even talking about? Where did I ever defend ObviousOne? Are you reading this game at all?
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 09 2013 22:36 GMT
#4420
Still kind of itchy on the Hiro lynch dudes.

How do people read Axle as town besides a bunch of generic "It looks like he's figuring out the game" =|
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
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