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On August 07 2013 23:39 GreYMisT wrote:
Format of Role PMs is as follows:
Welcome to Aperture Mafia 2: Episode 2! You areName/Name/Name/Name/Name. Some or No Flavor Text. Explanation of abilities if applicable.
Okay, just looking at this, let's not compare role PMs because that's against the rules but to keep an eye out on further flips. There is BOLD black and there is ITALIC black specified here. There could be two separate things that would come up as black role text. Two black-named "factions"?
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On September 03 2013 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 10:08 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2013 09:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On September 03 2013 09:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On September 03 2013 09:50 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2013 09:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Well that actually sucks for him =\
Why does Hassy not look good? Who acted on VE? Hassy claimed to have tried to protect VE. My role reveals all actions on VE. Hassy's protection was not there. All the proof you need. Why would he lie about that as mafia, though? Towncred seems like the most obvious answer. Also hai guise I back. Who were the last few people to call kita scum? I'm kind of curious now. S&B was 0/3 with his suspicions of BH, VE, and myself and his response to dandel about how he will "do the opposite of all those anti-town things you just mentioned" was a bit unnecessary to say. You deciding that I was town based on my BM discussion was just as concerning however. austin is quite possibly mafia based on his suspicion, but unwillingness to follow through, which is essentially what he was attacking me on. I really wish the thread didn't die for the last five hours. There are so many people like Risen that are being completely ignored. When did I decide you were town? OO didn't show up until attention was brought towards him by Hiro, btw, so it's not just Risen. I don't really think Risen is scum though.
OO didn't show up until he woke up, you mean.
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On September 03 2013 11:02 HiroPro wrote:vayne, from what I can gather from alakaslam, the guy has been worshiping Blazinghand as a god for his entire mafia existence. It's entirely possible that he just threw a fit as town when his idol got killed. Hassy probably needs to die even without kita's piece of evidence. Unless he does something drastically different with his play or something to explain the non-action comes up, one of the lynches needs to go on him. Also, I want everyone to notice something very important about ObviousOne's play today. I am currently the leading vote getter and with the voting system very likely to be lynched today. During the night we got a post from ObviousOne like this: Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 16:14 ObviousOne wrote:[stuff] Hiro is scum. [stuff] On September 01 2013 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:On September 01 2013 08:23 Clarity_nl wrote:
Why are Cephiro and Hiro so against axle's plan? probably because they're both scum. I got you bbygrl Tomorrow we are lynching Hiro. Everything about it suggests that I'm his number 1 mafia read and going to be pursued today. Yet now, despite being the biggest target of the day, he hasn't voted for me or said anything about my recent play. There's been no mention of whether his opinion has changed or strengthened. Hell, he hasn't even mentioned my name. It's like his biggest mafia read just vanished into thin air. This strikes me as extremely suspicious. The other lynch we have for today needs to go on him. ##Unvote
##Vote ObviousOne
Are you sure you're the only scum? So I can stop looking with you? Okay, cool.
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On September 04 2013 09:50 debears wrote:![[image loading]](http://i44.tinypic.com/2ng5xeo.jpg)
This is the most convincing case I have ever seen in this history of my time on this forum. Not only is its beauty something to behold, but the complexities of the diagram and the elucidating factors are clearly defined in a way that words simply cannot describe. Simply put, debears has surpassed the art of Blazinghand and taken it to a new level of magnificence. Astounding, sir. Bravo!
My Hiro situation:
Strong stances on controversial players. Not a fan overall of his push on what he seems to deign as shit-tier players but that's one way to go about it. Pressure! and stuff. Right on. The only agenda I can identify with Hiro is that he's using a vaguely disguised but not-really-disguised push on lurkers to get them to contribute or die. Cool. I'm done pushing for your lynch and I have other interests in mind.
On September 04 2013 03:37 HiroPro wrote:
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Can anyone point to a single thing all game long that Risen has done to make them think he's town or actually contribute in any way? He's perfectly capable of putting in effort and being useful( unlike some of these other do-nothings). Multiple players have called him suspicious yet not a single vote has actually gone on him. This doesn't strike anyone else as suspicious? If we're not going to lynch obviousone (which doesnt seem likely) i'll back a risen lynch.
I'm going to just tell you flat out: I signed up for this game so that Noir could start sooner. I'm not a fan of large games in the slightest, so even signing up for that game was a comfort zone stretch for me. Themed games are okay-ish but this setup is completely closed and that can cause me to ask questions that the hosts can't even answer. So all this discussion about who or what Black Mesa is, who or how actions occur around, none of that matters a single bit to me. Should try to take some cues from Vayne and get your classic on once in a while. So while ya'll are super excited when things get weird and try to solve the puzzle(s), it's just a bigger headache for me to wade through that nonsense.
So with that.
1. Where the sweet fuck is coag? We trading inactives for inactives?
2. Hi VE. Please put the circle on me. We'll call it the circle of trust.
3. Cakepie:
+ Show Spoiler [reference] +On September 03 2013 17:20 cakepie wrote:I've an uneasy feeling that geript could be just a disposable front man for the scum team. His IDGAF does not look like "upset" IDGAF, or "big play failed, give up" IDGAF, it looks more of a "fuck you all" IDGAF. D1 he claimed to have planned his scum playstle ahead of time, but BH bled blue, and instead of offering any explanation or trying to be more helpful, geript basically decides to publicly, explicitly, overtly give town the finger. His contribution appears limited to mentions of a few people he thinks are suspicious for various meta or setup specuatiion reasons, but it's mostly a re-hash of this list and it's not like he actually pushes anyone for anything. Instead, he (claims to) give us a double lynch, and stops caring because his voting power is apparently -1 for the day. I don't have good meta on him, but my gut feel is this is not simply he mad at things not going well -- seasoned players don't normally react like this. So, I see hardly any good reason for deliberate play like this for any reason, except as a joker (trying to get lynched) or as part of a scum gambit. Since it's rather unlikely that 3P can pull off all this crap by himself, I'm leaning toward the latter. Also recall that the possibility has been raised before that he might not even be the one truly responsible for the voterigging and/or the double lynch. Also, thinking about the double plurality lynch, I'm not sure it is entirely a good thing for town, because it is easy for town to mislynch (up to twice!) since there is no requirement for a majority. In the absence of information from D1, this is a bit scary. If I put my scum thinking hat on, it's really not a bad deal, gambling on possibly sacrificing one team member to help conceal other scumbuddies who hold powers, plus completely mess with the thread and voting patterns for two day phases. By screwing with the D1 lynch, scum sought to limit useful information. By making D2 double plurality lynch, scum put us in a lousy position -- even if geript takes a bunch of heat and we agree to lynch him, that would require us to commit a certain number of votes on him, and from there the danger of mislynching with the second noose is still high if we don't consolidate correctly. Hence he isn't even trolling, he is pretty much taunting when he states things like the D1 votes don't matter, or challenges us to lynch him with the double lynch. Does this sound reasonable or am I just being absurd and paranoid? Notwithstanding geript, do people agree that we need to be especially careful with the double lynch? On September 03 2013 20:20 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 19:01 AxleGreaser wrote:
perhaps by giving geript that kind of control and Alak a randomiser button marked "Dont press this button" then we are getting the RNG game we or someone(Dandel loves RNG IIRC) deserves?
maybe we are playing aperture and got what we each signed up for.
lol thanks that helped me lighten up a bit. More seriously do you agree that double lynch is actually a tricky situation? At the very least, this is not the time to be toying around with a repeat attempt at your shenanigans (which you suggested at some point earlier D2) -- if it is hard enough to find two clear consensus wagons, we might really need all the votes we can get where they matter -- lynching people rather than toying with powers. It certainly wouldn't be funny if you ended up getting mislynched (though that's rather unlikely). The downside is we might not get another chance to try your plan if we lose you tonight. About Alakaslam, on D1 clearly showed signs of being item/power drunk, I just wish we'd paid more attention -- he doesn't help by being so unintelligible, but he did state his intentions and the trigger condition beforehand. Bloody stupid selfish attention-seeking plan or scummy act? He seems repentant, at least, with a coherent (if incredibly stupid) story, whereas geript still doesn't give a shit. If I had to choose between Alakaslam and geript, Imma lynch into geript first. --- Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
I still don't understand this chronosphere thing he keeps talking about. It seems to be charging... Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 15:05 Alakaslam wrote:
came back not reading much not caring rather all giddy with "I must follow through on my promise" and making up C&C RA fake flavor & stuff because I always thought the chronosphere story was awesome if the actual building/power in game basically sucked. Basically, chronosphere is all bollocks from slam, if I understand correctly.
I'm glad you enjoyed some levity (as I have had with this amazing depiction from debears) you seemed awful interested in asking a rhetorical question so much that you had to ask it twice: "we should really be careful with a double lynch, don't you agree?" You padded it up nicely but you never seemed to move forward. In fact, a lot of your most recent posts seem to be rhetorical in nature. It looks to me like you are participating without contributing outside of weighing in on the geript situation. Your opportunistic leap on Hiro some time after my original statement of intent to vote cites BH as your reason and... that's it? Sheep the dead townie? No effort put forward on your own to sell the case? Dead townies don't campaign for lynches themselves. For all intents and purposes, you're effectively inert while you're participating and that's making me think you're just shooting the breeze to stay off the radar. I notice you don't really point make a fuss over the less active players, either, which strengthens my point. Your most redeeming quality in my eyes is this post where you cite that Hiro seemed to have foreknowledge of the player list changing. He may or may not have, but my basic knowledge of Chezinu is that Chezinu likes lists and that was an interesting spontaneous post from Hiro.
I'd like to see some more... chutzpa from you since you're so eager to participate in quantity. Less wheels-spinning. Be less coin-flippy. You get a day to change my mind because there are more important things to attend to.
Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this.
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Holy fuck. This is chaos.
What's this about stutters?
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Cakepie's recent posting, he's piecing things together for us, finding beauty in the dissonance so to speak. Grats on town read.
On September 05 2013 15:28 ShiaoPi wrote:
Lets lynch OO?!
##Vote: ObviousOne
Naaah. Might help if you opened up MSPaint and created a impressionist diorama akin to debears, at least it'll be worth a chuckle. Maybe you should be voting for the 'slam dunk?
if you miss the pun i'm sorry, I had to
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I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today.
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On September 06 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes.
Tell me where to look. I'm confused as hell right now. I trust you the most out of anyone this game. Slam just got pulled out from under me. I figured I would look at Risen but you're firmly town on him. Hiro is giving me shit in the other thread which is actually kind of hilarious.
What are your thoughts on debears? He's charging me 500 for another paint picture and I don't have that many e-sports dollar sitting around. VE pointed out the 'nuff said' earlier but seemed to let it go rather quickly, and my concern is that he might be choosing to align himself with Mafia who have had no flips to this point. Was he actually satisfied with debears response or was he just trying to figure out who is mafia so he can intentionally avoid lynching them? VE gently touching on it and letting it go (saying something about enough to get a read on him) is simmering in my mind right now.
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On September 06 2013 08:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 08:58 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes. Tell me where to look. I'm confused as hell right now. I trust you the most out of anyone this game. Slam just got pulled out from under me. I figured I would look at Risen but you're firmly town on him. Hiro is giving me shit in the other thread which is actually kind of hilarious. What are your thoughts on debears? He's charging me 500 for another paint picture and I don't have that many e-sports dollar sitting around. VE pointed out the 'nuff said' earlier but seemed to let it go rather quickly, and my concern is that he might be choosing to align himself with Mafia who have had no flips to this point. Was he actually satisfied with debears response or was he just trying to figure out who is mafia so he can intentionally avoid lynching them? VE gently touching on it and letting it go (saying something about enough to get a read on him) is simmering in my mind right now. I think debears is scum. Why are you so eager to trust me at this point?
You say that kind of oddly. Eager to trust you in the manner that you are so painfully town that I feel comfortable looking at lynch candidates you approve of. We're at half the day gone and only what, a couple of votes are up now? No clear direction and we need it or there's going to be a chance of no lynch. Unless that's something we are even considering?
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On September 06 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
also OO, if you are the pokemondude, claim right now :D
I am not the pokemon dude. If I was, I would ask to trade cards and shit [that's probably not a thing, I'm guessing].
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On September 06 2013 09:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well at this point i want to lynch debears. Who are your candidates?
Have you been listening to Clarity?
Your thinking matching up with the last will post, then?
I'll take a look at the fuck knows list from clarity, onegu [snb is dead]
Onegu's involvement with BM I've been trying to avoid because it's a whole vector of unknowns in that direction. I'm assuming he's got more participation than what we see in the thread based on being in that QT. He's been sharing the goings-on relatively openly, and it appears he's linked up with someone [Stutters] to make his power useful, so that's good. This is kind of, maybe, a little bit, worrisome: his voting seems to be based on reactions that are specific to him -- related to the BM group, as in stuff that we can't see -- and sort of disjointed from the thread since the geript/shiao lynch.
On September 03 2013 17:01 Onegu wrote:
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Me and stutters set up we would use our night abilities so that he would end up in between me and you with you on top of him. He has a ability that affects people above him, he didnt say what it was and I didnt ask, I trust stutters is town. At the end of the night our area of the playerlist got flipped upsidedown so what stutters was going to do didnt happen to you. Only people in BM would have know something was going to happen to you. So when it got switched so nothing happened to you I believe there is scum in BM chat and saved his scummate from what was going to happen to you.
Gotta look at stutters to see if I agree with his assessment. And yep, I agree. Town and town. Quite possibly their roles are meant to work together and their involvement in BM is intentional to promote that synergy. So that's cool.
Gonna make some more coffee and review debears.
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Oh shit, that Cephiro guy, I don't think I've opened his filter once. His name is almost Sephiroth, too. Not sure how that's relevant, but I can't un-see it and now neither can you. You're welcome.
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On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town?
Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him.
1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move.
This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans)
This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos
2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles.
This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either.
This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either.
3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town.
This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming.
Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip.
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Is debears really playing the game while being more than half the game behind in reading the thread? What the fuck?!
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On September 05 2013 06:28 Cephiro wrote:
To gamble or to not gamble, that is the question.
Can you expand upon what this is about now?
Gambling can be a dangerous addiction and lead to misery in your life and the lives of those you care about. If you are addicted to gambling, seek help.
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Voting debears, there's no way he should even be functional if he's not reading the thread without some kind of assistance.
##Vote: debears
Also I think he tried something like this shit back in Nomination Mafia and he was scum there.
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On September 06 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Can't respond to an ellipsis. What is it?
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On September 06 2013 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 10:43 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
... Can't respond to an ellipsis. What is it? How can you talk with Cephiro?
Oh. Bwahahahaha. Idk maybe he will come back? Totally spaced on that. Guess he was not quite Jenova material.
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On September 06 2013 11:00 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 10:25 ObviousOne wrote:On September 06 2013 10:13 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 19:22 AxleGreaser wrote:On September 05 2013 15:35 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not seeing any improvement from Alak beyond appearing somewhat more literate. Explain why if you think he's NOT the right lynch for today. Explain why if you think he is. @OBVIOUS. it may not be obvious but I still want an answer to this question... NOTE you made that statement before the watcher kerfuffle. So I want an answer from the information you had at that time.... ##unvote: Alakslam##vote: ObviousOneyeah i am serious ... yeah even if Alak flips red...(tomorrow) (bussing dead teammates is a thing) yeah even if Alak flips town (jumping up and down on lynch baits a thing too) I still want to know that as you "Tomorrow we're lynching Alakaslam because he's mafia. I coached this guy as town in his newbie games and I didn't tell him to play like this." I'd like you to explain as you know his play so well why you think he is scum and not town. As you coached, I assume you wont be making a because he is bad post... You will be pointing out which bad plays he could not reasonably be expected to have done as town? Sure. I'll just summarize our interactions and the advice I gave him and why I believe he's mafia based on what I've taugh him. 1. Alakaslam wanted to fake claim a role to draw fire in one of his newbie games, because he believed he would be protecting someone who appeared to be claiming a power role. I specifically told him that confounding the town is not a pro-town move. This game: randomizing items (messing with town plans) This game: an exhaustive number of reaction videos 2. He wanted to point out the "PR slip" he perceived in the thread in that game in the thread (it wasn't but it's the intent that's important here) and was told that he shouldn't make it easier for mafia to spot power roles. This game: counter-point is that he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either. This game: counter-point is he threatened to fuck with town if BH was lynched but did nothing productive to divert it, either. 3. His spammy random style doesn't feel the same as it does in his previous games where I observed him as town. This game: looks and feels MUCH more like spamming for the purpose of spamming. Fact is, I'm amazed he has lived this long and I can't wait to see that I'm right with his flip. Cool you 'taught' him... ( I expect by that you mean you explained it very clearly) BUT did he learn? or did he continue to do stuff like that in other games? "confounding the town" (after you taught him?) Re: 2. You taught him not to point out PR roles... but then don't mention that he did that.... based on your experience coaching him is it surprising to you that "he never pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." before the D1 post did you have an expectation that Alak in this game would be "pointed out anything particularly USEFUL to town either." Does him subsequently not pointing out anything useful to town indicate to you he did not receive a town PM? Re: 3 I am not sure about the feel issue, as that will just be a personal thing. As i went so far out on limb clearly i had a different feel read.
I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking specifically here in this post.
1: Did he learn? I think so, he asked about the kinds of things it was OK to do and I helped him through some of those decisions. I didn't see him make the mistakes related to what I discussed with him when I watched him as town. Can I prove that he learned? Ha. Tell me how one goes about that.
2: He knew well enough to notice things that indicate powers and that means he was relatively observant as town. So what did he notice in this game that you think would make him town?
3: I read two entire games he played in and this one is way off the chart on randomness. I'm seeing it as trying to play scum like he plays town and overcompensating to the max. Subjective and my view.
Does that help?
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